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2017-10-04 01:56:31 PM  
Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.
 
2017-10-04 02:13:08 PM  
Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.
 
2017-10-04 02:23:54 PM  
This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.
 
2017-10-04 02:28:30 PM  
Meh, if I can get a USB to 3.5mm adapter to work with it then I'm good.
 
2017-10-04 03:10:04 PM  

Boo_Guy: Meh, if I can get a USB to 3.5mm adapter to work with it then I'm good.


It comes with one.

/order already placed for the P2
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2017-10-04 03:11:28 PM  

enry: Boo_Guy: Meh, if I can get a USB to 3.5mm adapter to work with it then I'm good.

It comes with one.

/order already placed for the P2
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2017-10-04 04:32:03 PM  

enry: enry: Boo_Guy: Meh, if I can get a USB to 3.5mm adapter to work with it then I'm good.

It comes with one.

/order already placed for the P2
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2017-10-04 04:33:37 PM  
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2017-10-04 04:33:43 PM  

rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.


I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.
 
2017-10-04 04:34:45 PM  

foo monkey: Does what?


I reckon this could be a new Fark thing.
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2017-10-04 04:35:32 PM  

enry: enry: Boo_Guy: Meh, if I can get a USB to 3.5mm adapter to work with it then I'm good.

It comes with one.

/order already placed for the P2
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2017-10-04 04:36:03 PM  
So where is the farker that is going to post something about only needing a flip phone?
 
2017-10-04 04:38:11 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.


Mine are pretty good.

I just want BT that doesn't cut out when I put my device in my pocket or grab it the wrong way. Until then, I want the option of a headphone jack even though I currently use BT. I want a fallback until the current tech is reliable.
 
2017-10-04 04:40:56 PM  
I don't like it, but it doesn't bother me as much as having a non-removable battery.  Battery life degrades over time and I'm not the kind of person who buys a new phone every year or two.

I'm still using a Galaxy S5 - if I notice my battery isn't lasting as long as it used to, I can just pop on Amazon and spend $10 and it's like new again.  That's impossible with most of the newer phones.
 
2017-10-04 04:43:56 PM  
I'll stick with my Moto z then
 
2017-10-04 04:45:31 PM  
Meh.  Never use it, have USB c earbuds and they sound better anyways.
 
2017-10-04 04:46:01 PM  
See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?
 
2017-10-04 04:49:38 PM  

ebell: I don't like it, but it doesn't bother me as much as having a non-removable battery.  Battery life degrades over time and I'm not the kind of person who buys a new phone every year or two.

I'm still using a Galaxy S5 - if I notice my battery isn't lasting as long as it used to, I can just pop on Amazon and spend $10 and it's like new again.  That's impossible with most of the newer phones.


I like my S5.  I recently had it the wrong way in my pocket and leaned on a front wheel spindle and cracked the screen.  I went to look at new phones to see if it was worth getting a new one...nope.  Curved screens are total shiat since they leave big-handed rough people no place to grab the phone without accidentally touching the screen and doing crap they didn't want to do.  Anything of equal spec to an S5 costs more than a new screen.  My S5 battery life is still great.  Everything about the phone is perfectly good.  I'd rather pay $100 for a new screen than $240 for a comparable new phone.
 
2017-10-04 04:50:47 PM  
You'll get over it.
 
2017-10-04 04:53:30 PM  

foo monkey: enry: enry: Boo_Guy: Meh, if I can get a USB to 3.5mm adapter to work with it then I'm good.

It comes with one.

/order already placed for the P2
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2017-10-04 04:54:13 PM  
I really like my Pixel XL.  Looks like it will be my last Google phone.
 
2017-10-04 04:58:31 PM  
They've done more than copy Apple on the headphone jack, they've copied Apple's whole thing..... Exactly the same on the outside, with only minor upgrades internally.  Spec sheets between Pixel and Pixel 2 are almost identical.
 
2017-10-04 04:59:22 PM  

rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.


As of today, I no longer care.

I just figured out that, no, my headphones aren't farked up, the headphone jack on my year old phone is, so I'm going to have to get bluetooth headphones regardless.
 
2017-10-04 05:00:14 PM  

trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?


The Xiaomi A1 may be what you are looking for.
 
2017-10-04 05:13:59 PM  

rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.


hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.


ebell: I don't like it, but it doesn't bother me as much as having a non-removable battery.  Battery life degrades over time and I'm not the kind of person who buys a new phone every year or two.

I'm still using a Galaxy S5 - if I notice my battery isn't lasting as long as it used to, I can just pop on Amazon and spend $10 and it's like new again.  That's impossible with most of the newer phones.


MinkeyMan: trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?

The Xiaomi A1 may be what you are looking for.


The LG V20 has a Removable Battery, IR Blaster, MicroSD Card Slot, And a headphone jack.  Had mine almost a year and am very happy with it.

Now that the V30 is out. (Non-Removable battery, no 2nd screen), the V20 should be pretty cheap, too.
 
2017-10-04 05:14:46 PM  

ebell: I don't like it, but it doesn't bother me as much as having a non-removable battery.  Battery life degrades over time and I'm not the kind of person who buys a new phone every year or two.

I'm still using a Galaxy S5 - if I notice my battery isn't lasting as long as it used to, I can just pop on Amazon and spend $10 and it's like new again.  That's impossible with most of the newer phones.


Always want removable batteries for that reason, but also because sometimes pulling the battery is the best way to get out of a locked up phone.

But found a new reason this week... The wife's phone is just not charging, you have to put the cables in just right, and lock the thing in a seismologically isolated room that nobody's allowed to enter, or the damn cable gets bumped. By simply opening the back and adding a card, I was able to make her phone capable of wireless charging. Without a removable battery, there would be no reason to remove the back, so I wouldn't have been able to do that. But by being able to buy all of that equipment after market, I saved a shiat ton of money, so it's better than paying for that capability up front.
 
2017-10-04 05:15:12 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.


The Beats Solo 3 headphones do up to 40 hours on a charge.
 
2017-10-04 05:15:32 PM  

hybrid.divide: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

ebell: I don't like it, but it doesn't bother me as much as having a non-removable battery.  Battery life degrades over time and I'm not the kind of person who buys a new phone every year or two.

I'm still using a Galaxy S5 - if I notice my battery isn't lasting as long as it used to, I can just pop on Amazon and spend $10 and it's like new again.  That's impossible with most of the newer phones.

MinkeyMan: trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?

The Xiaomi A1 may be what you are looking for.

The LG V20 has a Removable Battery, IR Blaster, MicroSD Card Slot, And a headphone jack.  Had mine almost a year and am very happy with it.

Now that the V30 is out. (Non-Removable battery, no 2nd screen), the V20 should be pretty cheap, too.


Good. I have the V10 and absolutely love it. With the new one out, and the wife needing a new phone, i now have two options. :-)
 
2017-10-04 05:21:47 PM  
I am just here to boast about the fact that I can't afford bluetooth.
 
2017-10-04 05:23:21 PM  
hashtag.acronym:

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

The LG V20 is the last phone from LG with all those features. They're still being sold as new devices though they're a model year old. I'm a huge fan of LG because those G and V series devices prior to 2017 models are incredibly easy to work on. They'll also fix boot looping phones outside the warranty period, for the person who is invariably going to bring that up. The V20 can also run LineageOS and has a current ROM for Android O, which suggests that it will continue to work and get updates for the next few years.
 
2017-10-04 05:24:09 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.


Yeah... I had a Galaxy Nexus and have a Tab Pro. I would rather buy i-products than deal with Samsung's garbage batteries, and finicky hardware ever again. Plus it's been a while since I've had to mess with mods, but with Cyanogen gone I wouldn't even know where to start to replace Samsung's garbage UI with stock.

Sadly, my nexus 6 is now pushing 3 years old and while it's still running great, it is time for a replacement. I will be purchasing a pixel 2xl and will miss the headphone jack. Removing it a stupid decision.
 
2017-10-04 05:27:49 PM  

Slow To Return: I am just here to boast about the fact that I can't afford bluetooth.


Bluetooth comes for free in your phone, buddy.

And for headphones? I just bought a pair of BT headphones for $35.
 
2017-10-04 05:30:17 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So where is the farker that is going to post something about only needing a flip phone?


You called?     Nah... couldn't be.   I haven't had a call in years.  Most people just text.

/kidding
//well, kidding about not having a call in years, but most ppl do just txt.
///has a tablet so doesn't need a smartphone
 
2017-10-04 05:30:58 PM  
Courage....

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2017-10-04 05:35:03 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So where is the farker that is going to post something about only needing a flip phone?


/only has a flip phone.
 
2017-10-04 05:46:07 PM  
I have a Nexus 5x and would buy again from Google but this is a dealbreaker.
 
2017-10-04 05:50:54 PM  
Check out our new feature of less basic stuff!!!

YES, TAKE MY MONEY!!!!
 
2017-10-04 06:01:08 PM  
About the third time my Bluetooth headphone battery died 15 minutes into my hour long workout, I swore Bluetooth off forever.  Thanks for making me trade no hassle whatsoever for minor hassle at best.
 
2017-10-04 06:01:39 PM  

dirkfunk: but with Cyanogen gone


It's called LineageOS now. Same thing though.
 
2017-10-04 06:04:38 PM  
I think it's silly to replace the jack, but the more manufacturers follow suit the easier it will be. Just so long as we're on a standard.
 
2017-10-04 06:05:04 PM  

Mad_Radhu: rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.

The Beats Solo 3 headphones do up to 40 hours on a charge.


There are dozens of Bluetooth headphones in can style, hang over ear, or in ear that do over 30 hours. Narrow it down to aptx codec so you get like 100m distance, and you drop it to maybe 20.

I got active noise canceling, over the ear can style with aptx for $40 on Amazon lightning deal. Regularly $100.

Cheap options include $10 ones, so cost isn't really an issue to get that minimum of 15 hours either. But I think $20 to $30 is normally the sweet spot.
 
2017-10-04 06:06:35 PM  

Quantumbunny: Mad_Radhu: rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.

The Beats Solo 3 headphones do up to 40 hours on a charge.

There are dozens of Bluetooth headphones in can style, hang over ear, or in ear that do over 30 hours. Narrow it down to aptx codec so you get like 100m distance, and you drop it to maybe 20.

I got active noise canceling, over the ear can style with aptx for $40 on Amazon lightning deal. Regularly $100.

Cheap options include $10 ones, so cost isn't really an issue to get that minimum of 15 hours either. But I think $20 to $30 is normally the sweet spot.


I should have clarified, deep to 20 options, not hours of play time or cost. Mine get me 34 hours. Never bothered to time, but I've use them non stop over a full day of travel just fine.
 
2017-10-04 06:09:39 PM  

trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?


I've just replaced the battery in my 6p tonight because it kept dying at 15%. Man what a pain in the arse that was.

I wanted a Pixel, but now I don't know what to get, I have a rather nice pair of earbuds that I paid a decent amount for, so I refuse to go bluetooth.
 
2017-10-04 06:15:04 PM  

trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?


Go to ifixit.com and learn how to replace the battery.
I'm on the original battery on my Nexus 6.
 
2017-10-04 06:18:41 PM  

ryant123: foo monkey: Does what?

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2017-10-04 06:24:36 PM  

dirkfunk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.

Yeah... I had a Galaxy Nexus and have a Tab Pro. I would rather buy i-products than deal with Samsung's garbage batteries, and finicky hardware ever again. Plus it's been a while since I've had to mess with mods, but with Cyanogen gone I wouldn't even know where to start to replace Samsung's garbage UI with stock.

Sadly, my nexus 6 is now pushing 3 years old and while it's still running great, it is time for a replacement. I will be purchasing a pixel 2xl and will miss the headphone jack. Removing it a stupid decision.


I can't stand the Samsung weirdness so I went from my Samsung Galaxy Pro Tab 12.2 with a permanently dead battery - even after being replaced - to a couple of Google Nexus 9s.  At least one of those is hanging with bit rot.

I loved the pure Google experience on my Nexus 5 but had to replace it with a Nexus 6 after it went through the snowblower (! I think it could still work)

I ordered the Pixel 2XL128GB during the event and also will pass my Nexus 6 on. I'll mostly miss wireless charging.

I'm glad I get to try a Google Home Mini for "free" with the purchase.  If it's more open for tying into my home automation I may shed my Amazon Echo investment.
 
2017-10-04 06:33:36 PM  

Russ1642: I have a Nexus 5x and would buy again from Google but this is a dealbreaker.


Same here....
 
2017-10-04 06:36:46 PM  
Meh, it comes with an adapter for the rare occasions I'm not on bluetooth. But I've used bluetooth headphones almost exclusively for awhile now, especially when running/working out. Just a lot easier to not have a cord to contend with.

I went for the Pixel 2 (non xl) 64GB to replace my Nexus 6. Don't need that much storage cause I'm almost always on WiFi and I have plenty of data that rolls over. And I'm kind of done with big 6" phones. I like the 6, but it is starting to show it's age and it's too damn big.
 
2017-10-04 07:17:32 PM  

scanman61: Russ1642: I have a Nexus 5x and would buy again from Google but this is a dealbreaker.

Same here....


Ditto. Looks like I'm going to be getting a OnePlus 5. Nothing revolutionary but a solid near vanilla Android phone at a price point closer to the original Nexus phones (at least the later generation Nexus phones).
 
2017-10-04 07:18:20 PM  

netringer: Go to ifixit.com and learn how to replace the battery.
I'm on the original battery on my Nexus 6.


There's two problems here:

1) The Nexus 6p has a repairability rating of 2/10. It's a mess of glue.
2) Even if it was easy to fix, getting replacement batteries will be difficult. The manufacturer stops making them with the phone, so by the time the original battery dies, all you'll be able to find are sketchy third party ones. That's what happened with my Nexus 4 - sketchy third-party replacement battery was junk.
 
2017-10-04 07:26:44 PM  

netringer: I ordered the Pixel 2XL128GB during the event and also will pass my Nexus 6 on. I'll mostly miss wireless charging.


Guess who is embarrassed to just now find out his Nexus 6 has wireless charging!

This guy.

But really, 3 years later and the battery goes a couple/few days. I can't really complain.
 
2017-10-04 07:44:57 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.


That charge still wouldn't be enough for me.
 
2017-10-04 07:48:37 PM  

dj495ufj3: They've done more than copy Apple on the headphone jack, they've copied Apple's whole thing..... Exactly the same on the outside, with only minor upgrades internally.  Spec sheets between Pixel and Pixel 2 are almost identical.


Wait ... wut?  The similarities between the two phones begins and ends at being rectangles.  Otherwise iPhone 8 and Pixel 2 phones are very different from both a look and materials standpoint.

/this is why we can't have nice things
 
2017-10-04 07:49:24 PM  
Okay. Now I know what not to get.
 
2017-10-04 08:14:10 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.


Sony WI-1000X rated for only 9-13 hours depending on whether I turn off the active noise cancelling.
Also includes a cord to 3.5 mm Jack for use when the power dies.
Balanced armature with 9mm driver.
Since Android 8 began supporting LDAC, they sound even better.
 
2017-10-04 08:23:29 PM  

trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?


I agree. I want to shiat  on bad "features" AND CONTINUE to shiat on bad "features" so they never get the idea it's ok.
 
2017-10-04 08:33:06 PM  

Fano: trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?

I agree. I want to shiat  on bad "features" AND CONTINUE to shiat on bad "features" so they never get the idea it's ok.


to bad you are a minority because it's not slowing down sales at all.
You just continue shouting at clouds.
 
2017-10-04 08:38:13 PM  
First.....Apple wasn't the first to release phones without a headphone jack.

Second.....you can still use a headphone jack / your old headphones with the purchase of a cheap adapter, that you'll need in the future anyway as everyone ditches the headphone jack.  You can even charge while you listen to audio.  When you're talking N hundreds of dollars for a phone that you can physically connect a wire to, $10-$20 for an additional piece of wire is hardly worth caring about.

Third....unlike when popular cellphones first started ditching the 3.5mm jack, bluetooth headphones are both drastically better in quality, and lower in price.  For $20 you can get really solid bluetooth headphones that will last ~7 hours per charge.  If you are the kind of person that needs to listen to more than seven hours of music in a day, for the low price of $40 dollars, you can get TWO SETS of bluetooth headphones.  Big deal.

There are a lot of reasons to buy (or not to buy) a cellphone.  But when you're talking about dropping $900$-1000 on a flagship phone, but you're ALSO REALLY ANGRY about either buying a $20 accessory so you can connect your existing fancy headphones to your phone, or $20 so you can have wireless headphones that work with your phone....you should probably relax more and care less about phones.

Personally, I'd care a lot more about the lack of external storage and the inability to remove the battery (particularly if you're familiar with how bad Google's Nexus 6P was).  But the headphone jack?  Meh.  Who cares....
 
2017-10-04 08:43:10 PM  
Actually - I might have lied.  I don't know if you can charge the Pixel while using headphones in the USB-C porn.  But you can with the iPhone
 
2017-10-04 08:44:16 PM  

rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.


I feel the same way, but my M9 only connects to Wifi for about 2 days every two weeks.
 
2017-10-04 08:48:09 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.


Buy 2 pairs of these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WD8WHTN/ref=oh_aui_detailp​age_o09​_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

~$40 and you've got 12-14 hours.  If that's not enough buy a small USB charger.  Listen to the first pair for 6 hours, switch to the second pair, charge the first.

Or just buy the $20 adapter and plug in your old headphones.
 
2017-10-04 08:57:50 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: First.....Apple wasn't the first to release phones without a headphone jack.

Second.....you can still use a headphone jack / your old headphones with the purchase of a cheap adapter, that you'll need in the future anyway as everyone ditches the headphone jack.  You can even charge while you listen to audio.  When you're talking N hundreds of dollars for a phone that you can physically connect a wire to, $10-$20 for an additional piece of wire is hardly worth caring about.

Third....unlike when popular cellphones first started ditching the 3.5mm jack, bluetooth headphones are both drastically better in quality, and lower in price.  For $20 you can get really solid bluetooth headphones that will last ~7 hours per charge.  If you are the kind of person that needs to listen to more than seven hours of music in a day, for the low price of $40 dollars, you can get TWO SETS of bluetooth headphones.  Big deal.

There are a lot of reasons to buy (or not to buy) a cellphone.  But when you're talking about dropping $900$-1000 on a flagship phone, but you're ALSO REALLY ANGRY about either buying a $20 accessory so you can connect your existing fancy headphones to your phone, or $20 so you can have wireless headphones that work with your phone....you should probably relax more and care less about phones.

Personally, I'd care a lot more about the lack of external storage and the inability to remove the battery (particularly if you're familiar with how bad Google's Nexus 6P was).  But the headphone jack?  Meh.  Who cares....


1) Wireless headphones need to be charged. Which requires a space near an outlet to do so. Also, if you don't use them frequently, you need to plan ahead, as the battery will have self drained.
2) The USB-C port is always on the bottom of the phone, but the headphone jack was on the top, at least for the phones I had.
 
2017-10-04 08:58:37 PM  

dirkfunk: netringer: I ordered the Pixel 2XL128GB during the event and also will pass my Nexus 6 on. I'll mostly miss wireless charging.

Guess who is embarrassed to just now find out his Nexus 6 has wireless charging!

This guy.

But really, 3 years later and the battery goes a couple/few days. I can't really complain.


Heh. Guess who has put in a lotra of work setting up a wireless charging holder in the car and has a bunch of Qualcom Quick chargers?

This guy.

I'll add a bunch of wireless and Quick chargers to my Nexus 6 sale.
 
2017-10-04 09:04:58 PM  
Pass. I'm not looking to get a new radio for my car too.
 
2017-10-04 09:06:48 PM  

trialpha: Fark_Guy_Rob: First.....Apple wasn't the first to release phones without a headphone jack.

Second.....you can still use a headphone jack / your old headphones with the purchase of a cheap adapter, that you'll need in the future anyway as everyone ditches the headphone jack.  You can even charge while you listen to audio.  When you're talking N hundreds of dollars for a phone that you can physically connect a wire to, $10-$20 for an additional piece of wire is hardly worth caring about.

Third....unlike when popular cellphones first started ditching the 3.5mm jack, bluetooth headphones are both drastically better in quality, and lower in price.  For $20 you can get really solid bluetooth headphones that will last ~7 hours per charge.  If you are the kind of person that needs to listen to more than seven hours of music in a day, for the low price of $40 dollars, you can get TWO SETS of bluetooth headphones.  Big deal.

There are a lot of reasons to buy (or not to buy) a cellphone.  But when you're talking about dropping $900$-1000 on a flagship phone, but you're ALSO REALLY ANGRY about either buying a $20 accessory so you can connect your existing fancy headphones to your phone, or $20 so you can have wireless headphones that work with your phone....you should probably relax more and care less about phones.

Personally, I'd care a lot more about the lack of external storage and the inability to remove the battery (particularly if you're familiar with how bad Google's Nexus 6P was).  But the headphone jack?  Meh.  Who cares....

1) Wireless headphones need to be charged. Which requires a space near an outlet to do so. Also, if you don't use them frequently, you need to plan ahead, as the battery will have self drained.
2) The USB-C port is always on the bottom of the phone, but the headphone jack was on the top, at least for the phones I had.


Sure.  You know what else needs to be charged?  CELLPHONES

What fictional scenario are you imagining where this is an actual problem?  The space required to charge a pair of wireless headphones is basically zero, and it's trivial to have more battery capacity in your headphones than in your cellphone.

I'm not trying to be dismissive....maybe you're a serious outdoorsman or something and you go backpacking for several days.....but if you're able to charge your cellphone, you can manage to charge your headphones too.  And if you can't/aren't willing to charge headphones, buy the $20 adapter and your problem is solved.  Yes, on the Pixel 2 the USB-C port is on the bottom.....is that an actual problem/complaint, or just an observation?

Again, if I am missing the point, I do apologize.  When I use my phone with headphones I'm either listening to music (and not caring about the screen), or I'm watching a movie (and holding the phone horizontally).  In either case, it works out pretty well.

Certainly, if a headphone jack is a deal breaker for someone, the Pixel 2 is a bad choice.  It's just, I honestly don't see why people would care.  I understood better ~18 months ago, cheap Bluetooth headphones were pretty crappy and the Apple ones were crazy expensive (they probably still are).  Also, most of the initial out-cry against it seemed to completely ignore the ability to use existing headphones via the USB-C port with a cheap adapter.
 
2017-10-04 09:22:03 PM  

hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.


But really, who needs micro SD, IR, and removable battery? Those are all unnecessary (and in some cases undesirable) features for the average user. I have an iPhone 7+ and a MacBook Pro. When I go out for the day, I just throw them in a bag and go. There's not a single cable, charger, or memory card in my bag. People want simple, wireless stuff. I don't want to manage my memory, buy a micro SD card, carry extra stuff, and I sure as shiat don't want to charge and keep track of a second battery.

I for one welcome our new sealed-battery no-headphone-jack overlords.
 
2017-10-04 09:31:47 PM  

rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.


IR port? What is with all these people who want IR ports? Using your phone as a remote was never the cool party trick you thought it was.
 
2017-10-04 09:33:36 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sure. You know what else needs to be charged? CELLPHONES

What fictional scenario are you imagining where this is an actual problem? The space required to charge a pair of wireless headphones is basically zero, and it's trivial to have more battery capacity in your headphones than in your cellphone.


I have limited desk / outlet space, and a desire to keep said desk neat. My cellphone charges on a nice stand, with the wire carefully hidden away and running to the outlet. Headphones would require another wire - and another wall wart, since my existing USB one is full. Plus, headphones of the earbud type wouldn't go on a stand anyway, meaning they would just be messily sitting there.

I'm also fairly certain I'd lose the headphones, as I routinely walk around with one earbud out. The cable, snaked around my bag, keeps them from disappearing.

Nitpicky little things, sure. But I gain nothing from the loss of the audio jack, so I'll complain.
 
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2017-10-04 09:43:21 PM  
Everyone must say how brave and beautiful google and apple are for removing the 3.5mm jack.
 
2017-10-04 09:51:55 PM  

Slow To Return: I am just here to boast about the fact that I can't afford bluetooth.


I lost my bluetooth when the last gf and I split.
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2017-10-04 10:04:40 PM  

trialpha: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sure. You know what else needs to be charged? CELLPHONES

What fictional scenario are you imagining where this is an actual problem? The space required to charge a pair of wireless headphones is basically zero, and it's trivial to have more battery capacity in your headphones than in your cellphone.

I have limited desk / outlet space, and a desire to keep said desk neat. My cellphone charges on a nice stand, with the wire carefully hidden away and running to the outlet. Headphones would require another wire - and another wall wart, since my existing USB one is full. Plus, headphones of the earbud type wouldn't go on a stand anyway, meaning they would just be messily sitting there.

I'm also fairly certain I'd lose the headphones, as I routinely walk around with one earbud out. The cable, snaked around my bag, keeps them from disappearing.

Nitpicky little things, sure. But I gain nothing from the loss of the audio jack, so I'll complain.


The Pixel Buds actually take care of a lot of your issues. Their case has a battery in it, so when you're not using them you neatly put them in the case and the case charges them. You'll have to charge the case at some point, but surely there's  SOME way that you can work another USB cable into your life in a way that is compatible with your OCD.

As for the headphones, when you dont have them in your ears, they hang around your neck, so you don't have to worry about them getting lost. I have a pair of BeatsX for my iPhone that are similar and they are comfortable as hell to wear around my neck all day long. Plus they top off quickly when they get low so it only takes a few minutes to get a decent charge back in them.
 
2017-10-04 10:09:42 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: trialpha: Fark_Guy_Rob: First.....Apple wasn't the first to release phones without a headphone jack.

Second.....you can still use a headphone jack / your old headphones with the purchase of a cheap adapter, that you'll need in the future anyway as everyone ditches the headphone jack.  You can even charge while you listen to audio.  When you're talking N hundreds of dollars for a phone that you can physically connect a wire to, $10-$20 for an additional piece of wire is hardly worth caring about.

Third....unlike when popular cellphones first started ditching the 3.5mm jack, bluetooth headphones are both drastically better in quality, and lower in price.  For $20 you can get really solid bluetooth headphones that will last ~7 hours per charge.  If you are the kind of person that needs to listen to more than seven hours of music in a day, for the low price of $40 dollars, you can get TWO SETS of bluetooth headphones.  Big deal.

There are a lot of reasons to buy (or not to buy) a cellphone.  But when you're talking about dropping $900$-1000 on a flagship phone, but you're ALSO REALLY ANGRY about either buying a $20 accessory so you can connect your existing fancy headphones to your phone, or $20 so you can have wireless headphones that work with your phone....you should probably relax more and care less about phones.

Personally, I'd care a lot more about the lack of external storage and the inability to remove the battery (particularly if you're familiar with how bad Google's Nexus 6P was).  But the headphone jack?  Meh.  Who cares....

1) Wireless headphones need to be charged. Which requires a space near an outlet to do so. Also, if you don't use them frequently, you need to plan ahead, as the battery will have self drained.
2) The USB-C port is always on the bottom of the phone, but the headphone jack was on the top, at least for the phones I had.

Sure.  You know what else needs to be charged?  CELLPHONES

What fictional scenario are you imagining where this is an actual problem?  The space required to charge a pair of wireless headphones is basically zero, and it's trivial to have more battery capacity in your headphones than in your cellphone.

I'm not trying to be dismissive....maybe you're a serious outdoorsman or something and you go backpacking for several days.....but if you're able to charge your cellphone, you can manage to charge your headphones too.  And if you can't/aren't willing to charge headphones, buy the $20 adapter and your problem is solved.  Yes, on the Pixel 2 the USB-C port is on the bottom.....is that an actual problem/complaint, or just an observation?

Again, if I am missing the point, I do apologize.  When I use my phone with headphones I'm either listening to music (and not caring about the screen), or I'm watching a movie (and holding the phone horizontally).  In either case, it works out pretty well.

Certainly, if a headphone jack is a deal breaker for someone, the Pixel 2 is a bad choice.  It's just, I honestly don't see why people would care.  I understood better ~18 months ago, cheap Bluetooth headphones were pretty crappy and the Apple ones were crazy expensive (they probably still are).  Also, most of the initial out-cry against it seemed to completely ignore the ability to use existing headphones via the USB-C port with a cheap adapter.


Hell, the last time I went camping, I just took a small battery pack and an I was able to charge up my iPhone and my Samsung IconX Bluetooth buds. The battery life is crap on these first gen Samsung buds, which is why I got them for $55 on sale, but they are really nice for exercise because they have no wires and hand in your ear really well, which almost makes up for the fact that they only last 90 minutes before you have to pop them back in their charging case. (The 2nd gen are supposed to be closer to five hours, so a big improvement, but they are $200).
 
2017-10-04 10:33:59 PM  

New Farkin User Name: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I feel the same way, but my M9 only connects to Wifi for about 2 days every two weeks.


Have you factory defaulted it? I do mine once every six months or so to clear the garbage. In fact I'm about due.
 
2017-10-04 10:36:56 PM  

Likwit: hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

But really, who needs micro SD, IR, and removable battery? Those are all unnecessary (and in some cases undesirable) features for the average user. I have an iPhone 7+ and a MacBook Pro. When I go out for the day, I just throw them in a bag and go. There's not a single cable, charger, or memory card in my bag. People want simple, wireless stuff. I don't want to manage my memory, buy a micro SD card, carry extra stuff, and I sure as shiat don't want to charge and keep track of a second battery.

I for one welcome our new sealed-battery no-headphone-jack overlords.


I use my phone as a file server sometimes and the ir to control the video projectors or monitors of they didn't come in the cases. One time my ir port saved an entire convention exhibit for because client had 30 Blu-ray player and not one remote. I got all of them going using my s5. Been sticking with ir since.
 
2017-10-04 10:37:21 PM  

Likwit: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

IR port? What is with all these people who want IR ports? Using your phone as a remote was never the cool party trick you thought it was.


I use it as a tool at work.
 
2017-10-04 10:45:36 PM  

rooftop235: Likwit: hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

But really, who needs micro SD, IR, and removable battery? Those are all unnecessary (and in some cases undesirable) features for the average user. I have an iPhone 7+ and a MacBook Pro. When I go out for the day, I just throw them in a bag and go. There's not a single cable, charger, or memory card in my bag. People want simple, wireless stuff. I don't want to manage my memory, buy a micro SD card, carry extra stuff, and I sure as shiat don't want to charge and keep track of a second battery.

I for one welcome our new sealed-battery no-headphone-jack overlords.

I use my phone as a file server sometimes and the ir to control the video projectors or monitors of they didn't come in the cases. One time my ir port saved an entire convention exhibit for because client had 30 Blu-ray player and not one remote. I got all of them going using my s5. Been sticking with ir since.


"I need a removable battery, a micro SD slot, two SIM trays, an IR blaster, and a hook so I can keep my phone next to the onions on my belt."

Your niche use case shouldn't determine what features are implemented on a phone. I'm not accusing you of thinking that necessarily, but you hear a lot of Android guys say "give me an XYZ," when only a tiny minority of users will want it.
 
2017-10-04 11:10:44 PM  

rooftop235: New Farkin User Name: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I feel the same way, but my M9 only connects to Wifi for about 2 days every two weeks.

Have you factory defaulted it? I do mine once every six months or so to clear the garbage. In fact I'm about due.


I have not. I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the advice!
 
2017-10-04 11:36:05 PM  

netringer: trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?

Go to ifixit.com and learn how to replace the battery.
I'm on the original battery on my Nexus 6.


Battery isn't terribly difficult to change on a Nexus 6. I recently swapped mine out. Replaced the screen too.
 
2017-10-04 11:48:54 PM  

Likwit: rooftop235: Likwit: hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

But really, who needs micro SD, IR, and removable battery? Those are all unnecessary (and in some cases undesirable) features for the average user. I have an iPhone 7+ and a MacBook Pro. When I go out for the day, I just throw them in a bag and go. There's not a single cable, charger, or memory card in my bag. People want simple, wireless stuff. I don't want to manage my memory, buy a micro SD card, carry extra stuff, and I sure as shiat don't want to charge and keep track of a second battery.

I for one welcome our new sealed-battery no-headphone-jack overlords.

I use my phone as a file server sometimes and the ir to control the video projectors or monitors of they didn't come in the cases. One time my ir port saved an entire convention exhibit for because client had 30 Blu-ray player and not one remote. I got all of them going using my s5. Been sticking with ir since.

"I need a removable battery, a micro SD slot, two SIM trays, an IR blaster, and a hook so I can keep my phone next to the onions on my belt."

Your niche use case shouldn't determine what features are implemented on a phone. I'm not accusing you of thinking that necessarily, but you hear a lot of Android guys say "give me an XYZ," when only a tiny minority of users will want it.


I don't think microsd users are a niche group.
 
2017-10-04 11:52:00 PM  
No benefits at all for no headphone jack.  Very minor annoyances.  It doesn't have to be earth shattering, but the scale is clearly tilted in one direction.  Each defense has been, "Come on, it's not THAT bad".  And that's true.
 
2017-10-05 12:04:43 AM  
Not paying $1000(after taxes) for a phone without one
 
2017-10-05 12:10:48 AM  
Pixel 2 comes with the USB-3.5 adapter, fyi.
 
2017-10-05 12:21:17 AM  

Slow To Return: I am just here to boast about the fact that I can't afford bluetooth.

check slickdeals or something. I've picked up a couple sets of bt headphones for a couple of bucks. disposable as hell. which is nice, because i lose a lot of stuff.

...

anyway, thanks for making my decision for me, google. my m9 is 2yrs old now and i've been starting to look for upgrades. I can deal without a removable battery, but no headphones jackis a serious deal breaker. I also wouldn't want a phone where I can't swap out the microSD card. fark any product that tries to reduce my options and expect me to think of it as an "upgrade"
 
2017-10-05 12:23:25 AM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Pixel 2 comes with the USB-3.5 adapter, fyi.


no1curr
i don't want to use a farking adapter. i want to have my same good headphones work by just plugging them in without having to where i left some stupid dongle that replaces what never should have been taken away
 
2017-10-05 01:39:06 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.


Even 15 hours is weak for international travelers. London to LAX is cutting it close at 12 hours, but I flew Dubai-Frankfurt-LAX and it was a 28 hour day. I can charge a phone easily enough in-air, but not headphones while using them. Plus, I don't want to buy the bluetooth version of Bose headphones.

I have a Nexus 5X and I guess I'm sticking with it longer, and then jumping to Samsung. Bummer, i like AOSP and getting updates.
 
2017-10-05 04:29:23 AM  

trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?


Motorola I guess, they have pretty close to plain Android in their phones.
 
2017-10-05 04:53:44 AM  
Can't recall using the headphone jack.
Deal breakers for me have been physical robustness, battery life, long range from cell tower (remote area).
Primary phone is a blackberry Z10 which just keeps going. Backup for traveling is a cheap Moto G4.

At my business, most stuff is confidential, so as it says in the contract, no mobiles on in work space.
 
2017-10-05 06:02:59 AM  

dirkfunk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.

Yeah... I had a Galaxy Nexus and have a Tab Pro. I would rather buy i-products than deal with Samsung's garbage batteries, and finicky hardware ever again. Plus it's been a while since I've had to mess with mods, but with Cyanogen gone I wouldn't even know where to start to replace Samsung's garbage UI with stock.

Sadly, my nexus 6 is now pushing 3 years old and while it's still running great, it is time for a replacement. I will be purchasing a pixel 2xl and will miss the headphone jack. Removing it a stupid decision.


Lineage OS is the successor to CyanogenMod.
 
2017-10-05 06:52:42 AM  
I remember having a n external headphone jack for my phone, too.

It is fun when it runs off of the same phone port that, you know, charges the phone, so if the little bit breaks, byebye phone.
 
2017-10-05 07:59:04 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.


Yep. Ill keep using my s5 i guess. Removable battery, removable media, headphone jack. My 3 main requirements.
 
2017-10-05 08:04:35 AM  
Tried to buy a Pixel.  Ordered it, got confirmation.  Then I noticed there was a promotion to get a free Google Home with a Pixel purchase.  So within 5 minutes of the order, i called their support line. They canceled my order and I reordered the Pixel adding the Home to the order (the price was deducted).  Got confirmation the new order was placed.

Next day, i got an email that my order was potential fraud but to prove my order was legit, just send them front and back photos of my drivers license and credit card.  UH No.

Called support, they said my order wouldn't be placed until a simple verification was done. Samsung Note 8 is now in my hands.
 
2017-10-05 08:16:28 AM  

rooftop235: IR port? What is with all these people who want IR ports? Using your phone as a remote was never the cool party trick you thought it was.


no , but it's great for turning off the TV in the break room when it's on FOX and far too loud
 
2017-10-05 08:21:24 AM  
My experience with usb-c one port vs headphone + micro-USB A. I have two nearly identical non iphones that vary this way.

With the usb-c

I don't break as many earbuds at the plug (two a month was my average)
I don't break or wear out charging cables as much
I have to carry 2x as much crap, since I need the analog dongle and the USB-C to USB-A all the damn time and those cables are not ubiquitous
The bottom port is better than the top port for pocketing while wearing earbuds
USB-C dongle drains the phone battery faster than analog does by about 20%
it's hella inconvenient to lose headphones to use the portable phone charger box
 
2017-10-05 08:31:12 AM  
Time to replace my M8

My three requirements: 
FM Radio - I use this daily on my commute.
IR Port - I use this daily at my home
Micro SD slot - I use this daily in my phone
 
2017-10-05 08:59:57 AM  

trialpha: See, this is exactly why people complain whenever Apple does stupid stuff like this. We can all laugh at Apple screwing their customers, but other companies see them doing it and then cry "us too!".

My Nexus 6P battery is going to die someday. I don't want to buy any of the other phones that have corrupted versions of android / poor update support, so now what?


Replace the battery?
 
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2017-10-05 09:08:40 AM  

Gig103: rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.

Even 15 hours is weak for international travelers. London to LAX is cutting it close at 12 hours, but I flew Dubai-Frankfurt-LAX and it was a 28 hour day. I can charge a phone easily enough in-air, but not headphones while using them. Plus, I don't want to buy the bluetooth version of Bose headphones.

I have a Nexus 5X and I guess I'm sticking with it longer, and then jumping to Samsung. Bummer, i like AOSP and getting updates.


If you travel that much the QC35 are worth it. I upgraded from the QC20 and the difference on a plane is noticeable and get around 25 hours of use off a charge. Since the longest nonstop in the world is ~19 you can always charge during your layover.
 
2017-10-05 11:00:47 AM  

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Dvd drives and head phone jacks aren't really like the others you mentioned.  When the floppy went away, what percentage of users used a floppy on a daily basis?

Using a thumb drive vs a floppy has little downside.  The fact that dongle is included shows that it creates issues.
 
2017-10-05 11:35:45 AM  

dirkfunk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Google: See, we can remove basic functionality from our hardware and then sell it back to the customer at a huge markup too!

Android users:  Yes.  And we can continue using Samsung phones too.

Yeah... I had a Galaxy Nexus and have a Tab Pro. I would rather buy i-products than deal with Samsung's garbage batteries, and finicky hardware ever again. Plus it's been a while since I've had to mess with mods, but with Cyanogen gone I wouldn't even know where to start to replace Samsung's garbage UI with stock.

Sadly, my nexus 6 is now pushing 3 years old and while it's still running great, it is time for a replacement. I will be purchasing a pixel 2xl and will miss the headphone jack. Removing it a stupid decision.


I'm in the same boat.  I have grown to like my Nexus 6, but it seems as if it has been somewhat crippled by Google.  It now runs slow, typing on the  screen is painful due to the fact that the text is really laggy behind my typing, and no amount of cleaning up the junk files will make it quicker.  And it doesn't seem as if Google is interested in upgrading the OS to the latest Oreo incarnation for the phone, which to me is madness, since the phone is still technically a powerhouse and should handle it. I was in the thought of replacing it with a Pixel 2 but this lack of headphone jack is irritating to say the least.
 
2017-10-05 12:35:47 PM  
Manufacturers of Android phones like this one do sh*t like this at their peril.
Unlike the hordes of iConsumers, people who buy and use Android devices will simply switch to another Android device. Google to Samsung to HuaWei to Asus to Motorola to OnePlus to HTC to whoever.
The Apple Acolytes are stuck with whatever Cupertino craps out if they insist on staying with the fruit.

Put it back, Google. You ain't Apple.
 
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Dvd drives and head phone jacks aren't really like the others you mentioned.  When the floppy went away, what percentage of users used a floppy on a daily basis?

Using a thumb drive vs a floppy has little downside.  The fact that dongle is included shows that it creates issues.


What issues does it create?
 
2017-10-05 03:02:30 PM  
Ordered one

If I ever used headphones while charging I would be mad and I would care

But I don't so meh. Phone looks cool.
 
2017-10-05 03:10:55 PM  

Carth: Gig103: rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.

Even 15 hours is weak for international travelers. London to LAX is cutting it close at 12 hours, but I flew Dubai-Frankfurt-LAX and it was a 28 hour day. I can charge a phone easily enough in-air, but not headphones while using them. Plus, I don't want to buy the bluetooth version of Bose headphones.

I have a Nexus 5X and I guess I'm sticking with it longer, and then jumping to Samsung. Bummer, i like AOSP and getting updates.

If you travel that much the QC35 are worth it. I upgraded from the QC20 and the difference on a plane is noticeable and get around 25 hours of use off a charge. Since the longest nonstop in the world is ~19 you can always charge during your layover.


I've always stayed away from the NC headphones that had rechargeable batteries and was glad to jump from Audio Technica to Bose when the QC20 came out accepting a AAA battery. I can leave an extra in the case and if I forget to charge before a trip I am not without audio or noise cancellation. That's a personal preference, mind you, because I can see the benefit of being wireless, and even use a Creative Labs BT headset at work.
 
2017-10-05 04:58:29 PM  

Gig103: Carth: Gig103: rzrwiresunrise: This seems a tad premature, unless they've invented wireless headphones with 15 hrs of play time per charge.

Even 15 hours is weak for international travelers. London to LAX is cutting it close at 12 hours, but I flew Dubai-Frankfurt-LAX and it was a 28 hour day. I can charge a phone easily enough in-air, but not headphones while using them. Plus, I don't want to buy the bluetooth version of Bose headphones.

I have a Nexus 5X and I guess I'm sticking with it longer, and then jumping to Samsung. Bummer, i like AOSP and getting updates.

If you travel that much the QC35 are worth it. I upgraded from the QC20 and the difference on a plane is noticeable and get around 25 hours of use off a charge. Since the longest nonstop in the world is ~19 you can always charge during your layover.

I've always stayed away from the NC headphones that had rechargeable batteries and was glad to jump from Audio Technica to Bose when the QC20 came out accepting a AAA battery. I can leave an extra in the case and if I forget to charge before a trip I am not without audio or noise cancellation. That's a personal preference, mind you, because I can see the benefit of being wireless, and even use a Creative Labs BT headset at work.


Yea, it is definitely a preference thing. I also do fly with the equviliant of AAA batteries in a USB pack with an extra cable in case anything dies mid flight. less of an issue now that most places have seat chargers but still nice to have.
 
2017-10-05 07:53:21 PM  

Likwit: rooftop235: Likwit: hashtag.acronym: rooftop235: Well Fark the pixel.
I use my headphone jack. Assholes.
And bring me back the got damned ir port!
I guess I'll not be giving up my HTC m9 for a long time.

I'll stick with my G3 -- headphone jack, micro sd, ir, and removable battery.  I won't buy a new phone if all y'all offer me is downgraded features with a slightly faster CPU and GPU.

But really, who needs micro SD, IR, and removable battery? Those are all unnecessary (and in some cases undesirable) features for the average user. I have an iPhone 7+ and a MacBook Pro. When I go out for the day, I just throw them in a bag and go. There's not a single cable, charger, or memory card in my bag. People want simple, wireless stuff. I don't want to manage my memory, buy a micro SD card, carry extra stuff, and I sure as shiat don't want to charge and keep track of a second battery.

I for one welcome our new sealed-battery no-headphone-jack overlords.

I use my phone as a file server sometimes and the ir to control the video projectors or monitors of they didn't come in the cases. One time my ir port saved an entire convention exhibit for because client had 30 Blu-ray player and not one remote. I got all of them going using my s5. Been sticking with ir since.

"I need a removable battery, a micro SD slot, two SIM trays, an IR blaster, and a hook so I can keep my phone next to the onions on my belt."

Your niche use case shouldn't determine what features are implemented on a phone. I'm not accusing you of thinking that necessarily, but you hear a lot of Android guys say "give me an XYZ," when only a tiny minority of users will want it.


You sound like an iPhone user. That's fine.
I use my phone as a tool at work and I like my features, so that's why I'll not be buying a Pixel or other phone without the features I use. That's the end of it.
 
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