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(IGN)   New Comics (10/4): Batman: The White Knight asks, what if Batman was the bad guy, and Joker the good guy? Also, the War of Jokes and Riddles wraps up, Harley & Poison Ivy meet Betty & Veronica, and Garth Ennis returns for a new Punisher story   ( ign.com) divider line
    More: Cool, Joker, Batman, Ivy Meet Betty, Batman: The Animated Series, The Batman, White Knight, Superman, six-issue mini-series Harley  
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2017-10-04 05:39:01 PM  
So... is it the 1990s again, or is it the 1960s again?

Sorry, I probably lost track of fifteen other times they beat the "what is batman was evil and his most popular current antagonist good" dead horse.  shiat, the one in the '90s was even the joker specifically, right?
 
2017-10-04 05:43:16 PM  
Can we keep this crap and the wrestling threads here.  I know mom wants them out of the house when they go to "Cons" but at least it minimizes random idiocy and brony pics out of the entertainment tab.
 
2017-10-04 05:59:04 PM  

Travis_Bickle: random idiocy and brony pics


Where do you think you are? Like FARK is so high-brow and enlightened.

/Says the guy with the penis username to the guy with the crazed taxi driver name
 
2017-10-04 06:44:11 PM  

Travis_Bickle: Can we keep this crap and the wrestling threads here.  I know mom wants them out of the house when they go to "Cons" but at least it minimizes random idiocy and brony pics out of the entertainment tab.


i.imgur.com

And just because I felt the need for a Batman gif:
www.reactiongifs.us
 
2017-10-04 06:45:29 PM  
I will actually seek out Ennis on Punisher.
 
2017-10-04 06:50:48 PM  
If Batman were the bad guy...? I guarantee Gotham would be hosed, probably the entire world.

Think about it, Batman always wins. Batman vs Superman? Bats beat his ass almost completely senseless and then let him win by faking his own death. Batman vs Bane? Freaking came back from a snapped spine to biatchslap him.

I'd put money on Batman somehow taking Doomsday out without dying too if that fight ever came to pass.

/BvS:DoJ doesn't count for obvious reasons
 
2017-10-04 07:25:34 PM  
Green Lantern batman was probably the most disappointing of the dark universe background stories thus far, mostly because it makes no damn sense.  It seemed to imply he had a mix of death and will in his ring, but death never manifested as Pitch Black monsters....

Batman getting the speedforce by merging with Flash and undergoing cyborg like treatment fits with the overall power sets seen, but this was just dumb handwavium.

Nightwing is really starting to suck lately, and that sucks because its been one of the best comics since the start.

This future justice league story is just bleh and awful.  Hippolita is evil now?  The fark is this nonsense.
 
2017-10-04 07:28:48 PM  
Also, isn't White Knight about the police trying to arrest vigilante Batman by using the Joker, not that Batman is evil?  I mean, not a terribly great distinction, but it's not like Metal where the Batmen resort to actively killing or taking over worlds

I haven't read it but all the post comic seemed to just imply that Gordon was sick of Batman brutalizing people like the Joker and catching flak for it rather than just bringing them in.

/could be completely wrong, not sure if im even gonna bother reading it
 
2017-10-04 08:12:02 PM  

Iczer: If Batman were the bad guy...? I guarantee Gotham would be hosed, probably the entire world.

Think about it, Batman always wins. Batman vs Superman? Bats beat his ass almost completely senseless and then let him win by faking his own death. Batman vs Bane? Freaking came back from a snapped spine to biatchslap him.

I'd put money on Batman somehow taking Doomsday out without dying too if that fight ever came to pass.

/BvS:DoJ doesn't count for obvious reasons


I'm a big fan of old school "Batman wins because Batman cheats".  The whole "Because he's Batman" schtick was old years before HISHE made it a running gag.
 
2017-10-04 09:06:05 PM  
So... the Lenticular covers are shiat... HAHAHAHAA!
 
2017-10-04 10:43:11 PM  

TelemonianAjax: I will actually seek out Ennis on Punisher.


THIS

Flappyhead: Iczer: If Batman were the bad guy...? I guarantee Gotham would be hosed, probably the entire world.

Think about it, Batman always wins. Batman vs Superman? Bats beat his ass almost completely senseless and then let him win by faking his own death. Batman vs Bane? Freaking came back from a snapped spine to biatchslap him.

I'd put money on Batman somehow taking Doomsday out without dying too if that fight ever came to pass.

/BvS:DoJ doesn't count for obvious reasons

I'm a big fan of old school "Batman wins because Batman cheats".  The whole "Because he's Batman" schtick was old years before HISHE made it a running gag.


It's plot armor combined with Batman always knowing everything (he's even featured on a the TVTropes page about the concept) combined, I guess, with Detective Batman.

Batman wins because Batman always has an exit strategy. Even when he loses, he wins (a la Dark Knight).

// just to tie things together, the Batman/Punisher (not the one with Azrael Batman) story is pretty good
 
2017-10-04 11:30:29 PM  

Iczer: If Batman were the bad guy...? I guarantee Gotham would be hosed, probably the entire world.


I recall DC tried an anti-Batman as a supervillain.  He was a guy who saw his criminal parents shot by the cops as a kid, and dedicated himself to be the best criminal on the planet.

He was so lame I don't even remember his name.
 
2017-10-04 11:47:56 PM  

Sgt Otter: Iczer: If Batman were the bad guy...? I guarantee Gotham would be hosed, probably the entire world.

I recall DC tried an anti-Batman as a supervillain.  He was a guy who saw his criminal parents shot by the cops as a kid, and dedicated himself to be the best criminal on the planet.

He was so lame I don't even remember his name.


Prometheus
 
2017-10-04 11:52:13 PM  

Iczer: If Batman were the bad guy...? I guarantee Gotham would be hosed, probably the entire world.


All worlds.
Owlman and Nihilism
Youtube 1tag9Pm3qtA
 
2017-10-05 12:04:56 AM  

skyotter: Iczer: If Batman were the bad guy...? I guarantee Gotham would be hosed, probably the entire world.

All worlds.
[YouTube video]


The final confrontation between him and Batman was amazing.  It really illustrated the fine line Bruce walks and how aware of it he is.
 
2017-10-05 12:49:57 AM  

skyotter: Iczer: If Batman were the bad guy...? I guarantee Gotham would be hosed, probably the entire world.

All worlds.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/1tag9Pm3qtA]


It doesn't matter.
 
2017-10-05 04:25:49 AM  

Flappyhead: I'm a big fan of old school "Batman wins because Batman cheats".  The whole "Because he's Batman" schtick was old years before HISHE made it a running gag.


In fairness, that trope goes all the way back to Batman's origins.  Writing a genius or even just an exceptionally clever character is difficult even for writers known for being pretty damned competent themselves (e.g. Doyle himself), and most of the people who write comics would be considered middling at best in any other medium (with some exceptions like Gaiman).  This sort of resulted in him being a stupid man's idea of a smart man even in many of the earliest books, essentially pulling conclusions out of the air by magic.

This is technically a different trope named after Batman, but it's sort of the same thing the more modern comic writers are dealing with.  They're not necessarily all that bright and certainly don't have a lot of money, so they have no real idea of what someone with a lot of forethought and a lot of resources could reasonably prepare for... so he's magically prepared for whatever happened retroactively.

I'd also argue that it's not restricted to Batman.  "He figured it out because he's a superhero" is something every show seems to stoop to on a regular basis, to the point that I have to praise the otherwise completely-shiat Defenders mini-series for having the character who is a detective find things out by doing actual detective shiat on-screen and keeping her off-screen detective shiat well within the bounds of 'just really good at her job' instead of the 'he magically knows everything' crap that gets pulled in Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl almost every episode.
 
2017-10-05 11:25:12 AM  

hammer85: This future justice league story is just bleh and awful.  Hippolita is evil now?  The fark is this nonsense.


The future Justice League started out interesting, but its clearly suffering from "We have to drag this out into six or twelve issues"  Syndrome.
 
2017-10-05 12:30:45 PM  
Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Betty and Verionica?

Please tell me that communal bathing is involved. Extensively.
 
2017-10-05 05:18:34 PM  
What if Batman was the bad guy? Been done - spectacularly, IMHO.
Mark Millar's Nemesis anyone?
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2017-10-05 05:57:16 PM  

Tim$ter: What if Batman was the bad guy? Been done - spectacularly, IMHO.
Mark Millar's Nemesis anyone?
[s3.amazonaws.com image 750x1154]


Was thinking the same thing myself.

Remind me, what was the tag line that got them in trouble again?! 😉
 
2017-10-05 07:00:45 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: hammer85: This future justice league story is just bleh and awful.  Hippolita is evil now?  The fark is this nonsense.

The future Justice League started out interesting, but its clearly suffering from "We have to drag this out into six or twelve issues"  Syndrome.


Just...the reveal is nonsense.  This is supposedly tied to the giant people from a few arcs back, that's cool, a nice callback.  But what the fark does it have to do with WW's mom?  It reeks of just another Grail which was also a horrible villain.
 
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