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(iNews (UK))   Reservoir Dogs made Baby Driver and Guardians of the Galaxy possible. Also, reading this article will teach you the word 'Contrapuntal', so you can feel all smug and clever   ( inews.co.uk) divider line
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2017-10-04 08:13:33 AM  
That word makes me feel good and bad at the same time.
 
2017-10-04 09:18:56 AM  
as long as it's not the penultimate word, I'll remain somewhat appropriately moist.
 
2017-10-04 11:34:15 AM  
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Contrapuntal?
 
2017-10-04 11:52:05 AM  
That would have been Tom Lehrer:

"While we're attacking frontally,
Watch Brink-ely and Hunt-ely,
Describing Contrapuntally
The cities we have lost,

No need for you
to miss a minute
of the agonizing Holocaust!

YEEEEAAAAAAHHHH!!!"
 
2017-10-04 11:52:49 AM  
Oh, I'm sure some commenters will say they already know what contrapuntal means because they read books and nobody else does.
 
2017-10-04 11:56:47 AM  
Contrapunctus 1 Bach The Art of Fugue
Youtube HohFSu9H49A
 
2017-10-04 12:02:00 PM  
michael madsen was on jay mohr podcast a few years back and told some great anecdotes about Reservoir Dogs and a few other QT films.  he said the "no tipping" speech was written for Harvey Keitel's character.  Keitel spent the night before the shoot memorizing it as QT was still revising the lines.

at the shoot, QT tells Keitel he's taking the speech away and giving it Steve Buscemi of course.  Keitel was upset but went with it.  Buscemi got the lines just moments before shooting and of course nailed it.

QT said, per Madsen, that the speech wasn't right for Keitel's character.  he was the leader, the father figure, and not tipping was something he wouldn't do.  but, buscemi's character was kinda slippery and the speech made sense for his character, hence the switch.
 
2017-10-04 12:02:24 PM  

CarnySaur: Oh, I'm sure some commenters will say they already know what contrapuntal means because they read books and nobody else does.


I read books *and* music.

You're welcome.
 
2017-10-04 12:05:41 PM  
Sounds cromulent
 
2017-10-04 12:23:03 PM  
I like how illiterate, ultracrepidarian subby assumes I didn't know about a perfectly cromulent word like contrapuntal...perhaps you need to get off your steatopygous as a little more lucubration is required on your part subby...

CarnySaur: Oh, I'm sure some commenters will say they already know what contrapuntal means because they read books and nobody else does.


Dammit!

/didn't know what it meant
 
2017-10-04 12:27:12 PM  
It means "contrary to one's wedding vows".

Dude, sleeping with your sister-in-law is really counternuptial.
 
2017-10-04 12:54:34 PM  
Well that was a load of garbage.

That said, Tarantino likely helped popularise the technique in more recent times.

No. This is an age old technique that goes all the way back to Mozart's "Don Giovanni." People have been doing this for hundreds of years in various art forms that have non-diegetic music. And it's happened all throughout film history.

"Reservoir Dogs is a fantastic example of the concept of synergy, whereby the film becomes a platform for selling other things - the soundtrack, posters, action figures."

Ok, this person is now officially an idiot. Since the advent of talkies musicians have written songs specifically for movies which are then used to help amplify sales of their catalogue as well as upcoming releases.
 
2017-10-04 12:56:25 PM  
Iconic soundtrack, but it owes a lot to the decision to include the Steven Wright radio dj voice-over to have made it work, thematically, without being distracting.

Zack Snyder tends to use a lot of cool songs, but is way too aware of itself, and brings the viewer out of it.
 
2017-10-04 01:00:42 PM  
I knew what it meant, but honestly, I'd probably never use it.  I prefer to eschew obfuscation.
 
2017-10-04 01:11:36 PM  
As one who wasted a lot of time and money on a music degree, of course I know what it means. Using it outside of a discussion about music seems pretty thesaurus-y to me, though.
 
2017-10-04 01:15:36 PM  

Wellon Dowd: It means "contrary to one's wedding vows".

Dude, sleeping with your sister-in-law is really counternuptial.


But she was on top the kitchen counter on my wedding night so it's all good.
 
2017-10-04 01:17:01 PM  

Thunderboy: As one who wasted a lot of time and money on a music degree, of course I know what it means. Using it outside of a discussion about music seems pretty thesaurus-y to me, though.


Every word is fungible if you're brave enough.
 
2017-10-04 01:18:16 PM  
I knew what that word meant in elementary school.

Counterpoint: sometimes my farts wake me up from naps.
 
2017-10-04 01:33:25 PM  
I was feeling a little Contrapuntal just last night...
contra.kontek.net
 
2017-10-04 01:37:53 PM  
rickythepenguin:........

He definitely made the right decision imho.  The tip speech also could have worked for Tim Roth's character
 
2017-10-04 01:39:00 PM  

CarnySaur: Oh, I'm sure some commenters will say they already know what contrapuntal means because they read books and nobody else does.


Nah, it's because I'm a musician.

Book are for losers.
 
2017-10-04 01:41:39 PM  
Am I the only one who likes QTs work but thought Reservoir Dogs was just boring as fark?

/Jackie Brown is still his best film to date
 
2017-10-04 01:42:32 PM  
All this talk of counterpunching and no mention of Sugar Ray Robinson?  For shame.
 
2017-10-04 01:45:22 PM  
Yeah, but Guardians of the Galaxy sucked, while Reservoir Dogs and Baby Driver were good movies made by good directors
 
2017-10-04 01:50:32 PM  
I already knew it!  Whoo, doublesmuggery!!
 
2017-10-04 01:51:08 PM  

thornhill: Well that was a load of garbage.

That said, Tarantino likely helped popularise the technique in more recent times.

No. This is an age old technique that goes all the way back to Mozart's "Don Giovanni." People have been doing this for hundreds of years in various art forms that have non-diegetic music. And it's happened all throughout film history.

"Reservoir Dogs is a fantastic example of the concept of synergy, whereby the film becomes a platform for selling other things - the soundtrack, posters, action figures."

Ok, this person is now officially an idiot. Since the advent of talkies musicians have written songs specifically for movies which are then used to help amplify sales of their catalogue as well as upcoming releases.


You have issues with readings words and stuff, don't you?

A: TFA doesn't say it's "new" at all, the use if the phrase "in recent times" should have told you that. If not, the moose out front should have done it.

B: They aren't saying that it wasn't done before that, but that it was never used as effectively as Tarantino used it in RD.

The point of TFA is to say that Tarantino took an already existing technique(it already had a word to describe it, BTW), and make it better. Not really hard to figure out.
 
2017-10-04 01:52:01 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: That would have been Tom Lehrer:

"While we're attacking frontally,
Watch Brink-ely and Hunt-ely,
Describing Contrapuntally
The cities we have lost,

No need for you
to miss a minute
of the agonizing Holocaust!

YEEEEAAAAAAHHHH!!!"


Exactly why I know the word haha.
 
2017-10-04 02:59:42 PM  

Kuta: Yeah, but Guardians of the Galaxy sucked, while Reservoir Dogs and Baby Driver were good movies made by good directors


cdn2.hubspot.net
 
2017-10-04 04:29:13 PM  
Sam Peckinpah was setting upbeat music to scenes of horrific (sniff) violence decades earlier.

Monty Python - Salad Days
Youtube M1-NpyaOWV0
 
2017-10-04 05:33:52 PM  
Mikey1969:

A: TFA doesn't say it's "new" at all, the use if the phrase "in recent times" should have told you that. If not, the moose out front should have done it.

Reservoir Dogs was made 25 years ago.  Nothing about that film qualifies as "recent times".  Many filmmakers may cite it as influence, but then that means it falls into the same category as every other film a 2017 filmmaker may have seen and used as influence.  (In other words, to someone who is 20-30 years old, a 25-year-old film and a 75-year-old film both count as "non-recent influences").
 
2017-10-04 05:39:03 PM  

bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 500x289]

Contrapuntal?


Good god, that's not roughing the kicker,  that's assault! 😀
 
2017-10-04 05:48:59 PM  

CarnySaur: Oh, I'm sure some commenters will say they already know what contrapuntal means because they read books and nobody else does.


That and it's not that obscure a word.  It's just the adjective version of 'counterpoint', man.  I'd guess that most people know the word, they just momentarily forget their grade-school lessons in how to modify a word for another part of speech sometimes when confronted with something they don't really use in normal conversation.
 
2017-10-04 06:10:52 PM  

Herbie555: Mikey1969:

A: TFA doesn't say it's "new" at all, the use if the phrase "in recent times" should have told you that. If not, the moose out front should have done it.

Reservoir Dogs was made 25 years ago.  Nothing about that film qualifies as "recent times".  Many filmmakers may cite it as influence, but then that means it falls into the same category as every other film a 2017 filmmaker may have seen and used as influence.  (In other words, to someone who is 20-30 years old, a 25-year-old film and a 75-year-old film both count as "non-recent influences").


Motion pictures as an entertainment medium are roughly 100 years old. So yeah, it's relatively recent. Especially since it's real impact has only hit stronger since then. It's recent enough.
 
2017-10-04 06:15:59 PM  

xaks: Kuta: Yeah, but Guardians of the Galaxy sucked, while Reservoir Dogs and Baby Driver were good movies made by good directors

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i'm seemingly the target audience for those films, but i've yet to finish either Guardians movie.  its just a hodge-podge of green-screen sound stages and annoying low brow jokes. I WANT to like those flicks, and there are moments where i'm thinking its cool, but then another 30 seconds pass and i zone out again.

People knock Transformers, but to me, that is worthwhile mindless spectacle, while Guardians is not.
 
2017-10-04 07:11:16 PM  

Katolu: bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 500x289]

Contrapuntal?

Good god, that's not roughing the kicker,  that's assault! 😀


Is that what it means?  I thought it was what happened when the Sandanistas held them to under ten yards on three tries.
 
2017-10-04 07:37:15 PM  

joepennerlives: Katolu: bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 500x289]

Contrapuntal?

Good god, that's not roughing the kicker,  that's assault! 😀

Is that what it means?  I thought it was what happened when the Sandanistas held them to under ten yards on three tries.


Well played. Thanks for the chuckle.
 
2017-10-04 07:45:44 PM  
Add me to the list of people who finally saw Baby Driver and felt it was a pretty darn good flick.
 
2017-10-04 07:56:37 PM  

FarkingSmurf: rickythepenguin:........

He definitely made the right decision imho.  The tip speech also could have worked for Tim Roth's character


Nah, I think Mr. Pink is the only one who it works before, because he's the one who thinks of himself first to a greater degree than any of the others.  I mean, he's the only one who complains about his name, and he wants to get the fark out right away rather than wait for Nice Guy Eddie and Joe like Mr. Blonde does.  Of course, depending on your interpretation of waht happens at the end, he might be the only one of them that survives the whole thing.

So, yeah, of course he wouldn't tip.
 
2017-10-04 08:21:39 PM  

jake_lex: FarkingSmurf: rickythepenguin:........

He definitely made the right decision imho.  The tip speech also could have worked for Tim Roth's character

Nah, I think Mr. Pink is the only one who it works before, because he's the one who thinks of himself first to a greater degree than any of the others.  I mean, he's the only one who complains about his name, and he wants to get the fark out right away rather than wait for Nice Guy Eddie and Joe like Mr. Blonde does.  Of course, depending on your interpretation of waht happens at the end, he might be the only one of them that survives the whole thing.

So, yeah, of course he wouldn't tip.


EVERYBODY DIES
 
2017-10-05 10:22:10 AM  
I seem to recall a pretty famous scene in a little Kubrick film that used this technique to great effect.

ClockworkOrange. Singing in the rain scene
Youtube GnSx7q89y1g
 
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