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(Guardian)   Solar power is the fastest growing energy sector. It's almost like the sun is beaming down on all of us about 50% of the time we're on this earth resulting in life as we know it. How could that be better than old fossil deposits?   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2017-10-04 06:00:49 AM  
The sun is mass of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace where hydrogen is built into helium at a temperature of millions of degrees.  Yo ho it's hot, the sun is not a place where we could live, but here on earth there'd be no life without the light it gives.
 
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2017-10-04 06:27:30 AM  

andrewagill: The sun is mass of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace where hydrogen is built into helium at a temperature of millions of degrees.  Yo ho it's hot, the sun is not a place where we could live, but here on earth there'd be no life without the light it gives.


That's very profound.  Or something.
 
2017-10-04 07:44:54 AM  

andrewagill: The sun is mass of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace where hydrogen is built into helium at a temperature of millions of degrees.  Yo ho it's hot, the sun is not a place where we could live, but here on earth there'd be no life without the light it gives.


The sun is far away - about 93 million miles away and that's why it looks so small.
 
2017-10-04 08:22:23 AM  
All I can hear is people saying the sun is not a renewable source of energy because it will eventually consume the planet, ignoring the fact that if we do not embrace solar energy, we will probably doom everyone long before the sun consumes the planet.
 
2017-10-04 08:52:18 AM  

harleyquinnical: All I can hear is people saying the sun is not a renewable source of energy because it will eventually consume the planet, ignoring the fact that if we do not embrace solar energy, we will probably doom everyone long before the sun consumes the planet.


There really is no renewable source of energy. Everything will eventually descend into entropy.
 
2017-10-04 09:00:13 AM  
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It's easy to have fast growth rates when coming from a small number.
 
2017-10-04 09:01:34 AM  
I like solar power that doesn't slack off half the time.

/ Lazy Sun.
 
2017-10-04 09:06:11 AM  
Washington
 10% of the time.
 
2017-10-04 09:09:00 AM  

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It's easy to have fast growth rates when coming from a small number.


Huh?
Coal jobs have been in decline for decades.  We now have less than 1/20th of the blue collar workers, producing twice the coal at employment peak around 1912.  Coal is no longer profitable (natural gas is cheaper).  Solar and wind jobs are growing, profitable, and better for the local and global environment.  Supporters of coal like the GOP want strong, big subsidies for coal, why?  There are no more jobs in coal even if we artificially increase demand.  In fact, thousands of jobs could be lost in renewables if we dump $50-100 billion to shore up coal profits.  It's insanity.
 
2017-10-04 09:10:02 AM  
the planet will be fine.  the planet will not be fine for US.  we are a selfish lot.
 
2017-10-04 09:10:44 AM  
Well, see the thing nobody realizes, the questions no one asks, about solar is it doesn't work at night and can't handle peaks and lows. Like why doesn't anyone ever bring that up or talk about it? And it's so obvious, it really is amazing that nobody in the energy business, or maybe Germany - who's solar is all wasted and hasn't replaced an ounce of fossil fuels I've been told, has considered this.

And so while I love renewables and the environment, we must reinvest in big coal to prevent grid disasters, like such as.

/Just getting it out of the way before a fiend of drew comes along.
 
2017-10-04 09:13:57 AM  

Northern: Solar and wind jobs are growing, profitable, and better for the local and global environment.


have you been to a wind farm?  serious question.  i have and i will tell you, they are a terrible blight on the landscape.  these are right next to a wilderness area.  you can hear them for miles.

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2017-10-04 09:15:44 AM  
Yeah, it sounds great now.
But what happens when we drain the sun of all it's energy?
 
2017-10-04 09:16:29 AM  

asciibaron: have you been to a wind farm? serious question. i have and i will tell you, they are a terrible blight on the landscape.

Mountaintop removal and fracking aren't exactly a chocolate fondue party with bikini supermodels either.
 
2017-10-04 09:17:22 AM  
When you people have sucked up all the sunlight, what will we grow our vegetables with?
 
2017-10-04 09:18:25 AM  

Smackledorfer: Well, see the thing nobody realizes, the questions no one asks, about solar is it doesn't work at night and can't handle peaks and lows. Like why doesn't anyone ever bring that up or talk about it? And it's so obvious, it really is amazing that nobody in the energy business, or maybe Germany - who's solar is all wasted and hasn't replaced an ounce of fossil fuels I've been told, has considered this.

And so while I love renewables and the environment, we must reinvest in big coal to prevent grid disasters, like such as.

/Just getting it out of the way before a fiend of drew comes along.


But solar does work at night if you have a molten salt reactor....And it's freakin simple to do -- point a bunch of mirrors so the sunlight heats up a vat of salt, salt becomes molten and stays that way for a while, while salt it molten you pump in water which turns into steam and powers a turbine.  There ya go -- nighttime solar.
 
2017-10-04 09:18:26 AM  

Catlenfell: But what happens when we drain the sun of all it's energy?

Well then it becomes a giant lump of coal, and at that point we'll need all the global warming we can create.  Ergo, solar energy is actually a good thing for the coal industry.
 
2017-10-04 09:22:33 AM  

dragonchild: Catlenfell: But what happens when we drain the sun of all it's energy?
Well then it becomes a giant lump of coal 1, and at that point we'll need all the global warming we can create 2.  Ergo, solar energy is actually a good thing for the coal industry3.


1: diamond

2: sell it to the Ferengi for a Dyson Ring on another star

3: the Ferengi
 
2017-10-04 09:28:58 AM  

harleyquinnical: All I can hear is people saying the sun is not a renewable source of energy because it will eventually consume the planet, ignoring the fact that if we do not embrace solar energy, we will probably doom everyone long before the sun consumes the planet.


So the sun isn't renewable cause it'll burn out, but oil and coal and natural gas are because ...

My head could hurt if I let it. I won't.
 
2017-10-04 09:34:38 AM  
All of our current forms of energy are solar, in a way.

Fossil fuels and biofuels burn plant matter that grew and thrived on sunlight.

Wind energy harnesses the convection currents within our atmosphere due to air heated by the sun.

Hydro power uses water that was evaporated by the sun, cooled into rain, and is flowing back to the sea.

Geothermal is from heat from gravitational contraction of Earth's mass, which the sun collected into orbit.

Tidal power is the movement of water due to the orbits of large masses collected together by the sun.

Nuclear utilizes uranium which was produced in stellar novas.

So it's all solar energy.  Some ways are just more direct than others.

// if we get fusion to work, that will our first non-solar energy alternative
 
2017-10-04 09:41:40 AM  

dragonchild: asciibaron: have you been to a wind farm? serious question. i have and i will tell you, they are a terrible blight on the landscape.
Mountaintop removal and fracking aren't exactly a chocolate fondue party with bikini supermodels either.


i never said other methods of extracting energy were better.  i pointed out that wind farms are terrible.  the real issue is the modern world's hunger for energy.  if you don't work where you live, you are selfishly consuming energy resources.  all those electronic gadgets are wasting energy.

we need to reduce our baseline per person energy use.  my electric bill is stupid small, i pay more to be a customer than i do for commodity and delivery.  turn your lights off, kill the vampire gadgets. 

the first step is reducing YOUR requirements for energy.
 
2017-10-04 09:45:37 AM  
Fossil deposits are really just a super inefficient solar energy storage system.

/Works in solar industry.
 
2017-10-04 09:47:03 AM  
But what about cloudy days??

Chessmated libbos
 
2017-10-04 09:49:41 AM  

asciibaron: the planet will be fine.  the planet will not be fine for US.  we are a selfish lot.



We are also greedy, and solar power is getting cheaper. It's growing in popularity because it's become competitive with oil in many sectors of the energy market.
I am mostly conservative and even I'm getting the solar bug. I'm not a big believer in global warming or anything, I just recognize that solar is playing on my lust for cheap and plentiful energy. A thousand bucks worth of panels will probably run my ice box with no additional cost for ten years. At current rates I'm probably paying fifty bucks on the power bill for that alone, so that's a pretty big savings.

That doesn't mean the planet will be fine, but it does mean a massive reduction in oil use as people shift to smaller local grids instead of global markets to supply their energy needs.
 
2017-10-04 09:57:08 AM  
You libs won't be laughing when all those solar panels absorb all the energy from our sun and release it as global warming.
 
2017-10-04 10:05:26 AM  
Solar energy makes electricity from the sun.  The sun is not visible at night so solar does not work.  It is dark at night so I need to use electric lights but they won't work because the sun is not visible to make solar electricity.
 
2017-10-04 10:13:55 AM  

asciibaron: Northern: Solar and wind jobs are growing, profitable, and better for the local and global environment.

have you been to a wind farm?  serious question.  i have and i will tell you, they are a terrible blight on the landscape.  these are right next to a wilderness area.  you can hear them for miles.

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Shouldn't you be busy with something, trump?
 
2017-10-04 10:19:28 AM  

asciibaron: dragonchild: asciibaron: have you been to a wind farm? serious question. i have and i will tell you, they are a terrible blight on the landscape.
Mountaintop removal and fracking aren't exactly a chocolate fondue party with bikini supermodels either.

i never said other methods of extracting energy were better.  i pointed out that wind farms are terrible.  the real issue is the modern world's hunger for energy.  if you don't work where you live, you are selfishly consuming energy resources.  all those electronic gadgets are wasting energy.


Wind farms are beautiful, and compliment solar very well.

Solar produces half as much energy in the winter as in the summer.  Fortunately, wind produces more in the winter due to the denser air.  You can eliminate a lot of the seasonality with a hybrid of the two.

Solar also requires a lot of horizontal space, while wind requires a lot of vertical space.  Hybrid facilities better utilize available space.

Add in some batteries and you can do a pretty good job matching production with demand.  Hybrids help there too as you get some wind at night, and some sun on calm days, reducing wear on the batteries.

Wind + solar is the way to go.
 
2017-10-04 10:19:31 AM  

asciibaron: dragonchild: asciibaron: have you been to a wind farm? serious question. i have and i will tell you, they are a terrible blight on the landscape.
Mountaintop removal and fracking aren't exactly a chocolate fondue party with bikini supermodels either.

i never said other methods of extracting energy were better.  i pointed out that wind farms are terrible.  the real issue is the modern world's hunger for energy.  if you don't work where you live, you are selfishly consuming energy resources.  all those electronic gadgets are wasting energy.

we need to reduce our baseline per person energy use.  my electric bill is stupid small, i pay more to be a customer than i do for commodity and delivery.  turn your lights off, kill the vampire gadgets. 

the first step is reducing YOUR requirements for energy.


Actually, my gadgets have helped my power use over the last few decades. Instead of a desktop computer with a 300W power supply and a big 21" CRT monitor suck down the mains power, I have a laptop that sips energy in comparison. Plus I use my phone for the internet much more often than my laptop and it requires even les power to run, as a single overnight charge will keep it going all day long. My 65" 4K television barely consumes more power than my 32" Sony Wega tube television despite being much larger, and my smart LED light bulbs consume a fraction of what my incandescent bulbs do. Overall, technology has trended to being a lot more power efficient in the last decade or so.
 
2017-10-04 10:21:02 AM  

asciibaron: have you been to a wind farm? serious question. i have and i will tell you, they are a terrible blight on the landscape. these are right next to a wilderness area. you can hear them for miles.


If sound is the complaint I don't see it as compelling.
 
2017-10-04 10:22:09 AM  

Smackledorfer: Well, see the thing nobody realizes, the questions no one asks, about solar is it doesn't work at night and can't handle peaks and lows. Like why doesn't anyone ever bring that up or talk about it? And it's so obvious, it really is amazing that nobody in the energy business, or maybe Germany - who's solar is all wasted and hasn't replaced an ounce of fossil fuels I've been told, has considered this.

And so while I love renewables and the environment, we must reinvest in big coal to prevent grid disasters, like such as.

/Just getting it out of the way before a fiend of drew comes along.


Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll play along:

They're still in the early stages, but a number of companies are making "home batteries" that store the power the solar panels on your home generate during the day.

And in the coming years expect to see more smart appliances that regulate their power usage around peaks and lows (so for example, you load up your dishwasher before you go to work, and when solar energy production hits its peak in the middle of the day the dishwasher then turns on).
 
2017-10-04 10:22:39 AM  

EvilEgg: harleyquinnical: All I can hear is people saying the sun is not a renewable source of energy because it will eventually consume the planet, ignoring the fact that if we do not embrace solar energy, we will probably doom everyone long before the sun consumes the planet.

There really is no renewable source of energy. Everything will eventually descend into entropy.


One does not merely descend into entropy.  Entropy is always happening.  The rate of entropy can accelerate or decelerate, but it is always happening.
 
2017-10-04 10:24:11 AM  

Nadie_AZ: harleyquinnical: All I can hear is people saying the sun is not a renewable source of energy because it will eventually consume the planet, ignoring the fact that if we do not embrace solar energy, we will probably doom everyone long before the sun consumes the planet.

So the sun isn't renewable cause it'll burn out, but oil and coal and natural gas are because ...

My head could hurt if I let it. I won't.


I never said I believed that logical fallacy.
 
2017-10-04 10:26:18 AM  

Gergesa: asciibaron: have you been to a wind farm? serious question. i have and i will tell you, they are a terrible blight on the landscape. these are right next to a wilderness area. you can hear them for miles.

If sound is the complaint I don't see it as compelling.


Living next to a wind farm isn't as noisy as living next to an airport.
 
2017-10-04 10:26:46 AM  

harleyquinnical: One does not merely descend into entropy. Entropy is always happening. The rate of entropy can accelerate or decelerate, but it is always happening.


I read this in a super villain voice.
 
2017-10-04 10:28:08 AM  

SomeAmerican: Add in some batteries and you can do a pretty good job matching production with demand.

It doesn't need to be batteries; it just needs to be some form of energy storage.  You could heat a bunch of water or salt or power an endothermic process to make fuel for all I care.  Sure the efficiency will drop with the energy conversions but it's not like inefficiency was ever a consideration in fossil fuel consumption.  Just scale that shiat like we did with everything else and improve it from there.
 
2017-10-04 10:30:34 AM  

Gergesa: harleyquinnical: One does not merely descend into entropy. Entropy is always happening. The rate of entropy can accelerate or decelerate, but it is always happening.

I read this in a super villain voice.


A friend of mine in college once told me that if he had a choice of mutant powers, it would be controlling entropy.  I found that terrifying.
 
2017-10-04 10:37:47 AM  

Smackledorfer: Well, see the thing nobody realizes, the questions no one asks, about solar is it doesn't work at night and can't handle peaks and lows. Like why doesn't anyone ever bring that up or talk about it? And it's so obvious, it really is amazing that nobody in the energy business, or maybe Germany - who's solar is all wasted and hasn't replaced an ounce of fossil fuels I've been told, has considered this.

And so while I love renewables and the environment, we must reinvest in big coal to prevent grid disasters, like such as.

/Just getting it out of the way before a fiend of drew comes along.


So are Drew's mom's lovers trolls of any kind?

I thought the moniker was reserved more for the white supremacist subvariant.
 
2017-10-04 10:41:36 AM  
Sometimes I kind of wish that solar advocates would push the "energy security" angle a little more. Which is more vulnerable to disruption: A large number of small generation and storage facilities that require periodic maintenance but no fuel, or a small number of large facilities that need to be constantly supplied by thousands of miles of railroads and pipelines?

Sure, maybe we're not willing to shoulder the expense of steering our grid towards renewables for environmental reasons, but what about doing it to "Keep Americans SafeTM?" I guarantee you it'll be better for national stability than some wall in the desert.
 
2017-10-04 10:42:41 AM  

oldcub: Fossil deposits are really just a super inefficient solar energy storage system.

/Works in solar industry.


Ergo fossil fuels are renewable, green energy. I don't understand what you libtards have against green energy.
 
2017-10-04 10:52:51 AM  

thornhill: Smackledorfer: Well, see the thing nobody realizes, the questions no one asks, about solar is it doesn't work at night and can't handle peaks and lows. Like why doesn't anyone ever bring that up or talk about it? And it's so obvious, it really is amazing that nobody in the energy business, or maybe Germany - who's solar is all wasted and hasn't replaced an ounce of fossil fuels I've been told, has considered this.

And so while I love renewables and the environment, we must reinvest in big coal to prevent grid disasters, like such as.

/Just getting it out of the way before a fiend of drew comes along.

Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll play along:

They're still in the early stages, but a number of companies are making "home batteries" that store the power the solar panels on your home generate during the day.

And in the coming years expect to see more smart appliances that regulate their power usage around peaks and lows (so for example, you load up your dishwasher before you go to work, and when solar energy production hits its peak in the middle of the day the dishwasher then turns on).


You should read entire posts before responding to them.
 
2017-10-04 10:52:55 AM  
Why settle for only the sunlight reaching the Earth?

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Prepare the robots!
 
2017-10-04 10:54:59 AM  

cannibalparrot: Smackledorfer: Well, see the thing nobody realizes, the questions no one asks, about solar is it doesn't work at night and can't handle peaks and lows. Like why doesn't anyone ever bring that up or talk about it? And it's so obvious, it really is amazing that nobody in the energy business, or maybe Germany - who's solar is all wasted and hasn't replaced an ounce of fossil fuels I've been told, has considered this.

And so while I love renewables and the environment, we must reinvest in big coal to prevent grid disasters, like such as.

/Just getting it out of the way before a fiend of drew comes along.

So are Drew's mom's lovers trolls of any kind?

I thought the moniker was reserved more for the white supremacist subvariant.


Some combination of the two, but Venn diagram of nationalism, white supremacy, and the various forms of fossil fuel lovers is more of a circle.
 
2017-10-04 11:08:19 AM  
Some coal state farker was talking about being in a medical clinic and somehow solar power got brought up and how it was changing the industry.

One old timer said to another one "but coal will be here forever."

People nodded in agreement.
 
2017-10-04 11:09:19 AM  
Fark has proved Tolkien right once again: trolls hate solar power.
 
2017-10-04 11:33:47 AM  
One of those weird mathematical things where there's a bigger infinty from 0 to 1 than the integer set.
 
2017-10-04 11:36:20 AM  
The sun is an unshielded nuclear reactor. NIMBY's just like it because it's 93 million miles away.

Besides, it's grandfathered in.
 
2017-10-04 11:45:10 AM  
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Been playing too much Stellaris lately....
 
2017-10-04 11:49:40 AM  

harleyquinnical: EvilEgg: harleyquinnical: All I can hear is people saying the sun is not a renewable source of energy because it will eventually consume the planet, ignoring the fact that if we do not embrace solar energy, we will probably doom everyone long before the sun consumes the planet.

There really is no renewable source of energy. Everything will eventually descend into entropy.

One does not merely descend into entropy.  Entropy is always happening.  The rate of entropy can accelerate or decelerate, but it is always happening.


...which explains the average Fark thread:  starting coherent and well ordered, then descending in a garbled, disorganized and meaningless mess of hot air.
 
2017-10-04 12:01:24 PM  

SomeAmerican: All Most of our current forms of energy are solar, in a way.


As you correctly point out:

Nuclear utilizes uranium which was produced in stellar novas.

I'm pretty certain old Sol hasn't gone supernova in the past.
 
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