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2017-10-03 09:17:46 AM  
"Can we have this discussion some other time when there isn't a batch of fresh evidence that I'm in the wrong? Thanks." -Your Local NRA Representative
 
2017-10-03 09:24:18 AM  
We need to concentrate on uniting our country. Now more than ever, since we're dropping like flies.
 
2017-10-03 09:25:09 AM  
...my funk soul brother.
 
2017-10-03 09:40:10 AM  
The right time to talk about things I don't want to talk about is never.
 
2017-10-03 09:45:25 AM  
If the shooter had been an illegal immigrant, I bet they'd want to have a policy discussion right away.
 
2017-10-03 09:45:25 AM  
We can talk about gun violence when all this tragic gun violence stops.
 
2017-10-03 09:47:35 AM  
I am always up for a gun debate.  I would recommend holding off on what actual weapons were used and what the guys driving motivation was.
 
2017-10-03 09:51:32 AM  
As a divorced parent in a difficult situation with my daughter, I understand the "now is not the time" argument. But she is a child. The adults in the room need to have an honest and frank discussion about the situation of the nation. If you continue to push it away either you are not willing to take blame, or you think the other side are children and unable to understand the bigger problem. Neither one of these explanations is satisfactory for me where my government is concerned
 
2017-10-03 09:52:03 AM  
Pro-Birth, not Pro-Life. Boot straps after delivery.
 
2017-10-03 09:53:31 AM  

Saiga410: I am always up for a gun debate.  I would recommend holding off on what actual weapons were used and what the guys driving motivation was.


Let's be honest,since he's a white guy his motivation will be ignored and it will solely be attributed to mental illness.
 
2017-10-03 09:54:21 AM  
Weren't Republicans the ones basically standing on the still warm bodies of the dead at Benghazi trying desperately to get some political mileage out of it?
 
2017-10-03 09:54:58 AM  
When they used a plane we all submitted to getting barefoot and having security guards fondle us. When they used a truck and some poop they made both of those things much harder to get. But as soon as a gun is involved we can't talk about it or do anything.
 
2017-10-03 09:55:25 AM  
I just need a question answered.

How would a couple good guys with guns have helped... Or at the very least, not made things exponentially worse?
 
2017-10-03 09:55:54 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: Weren't Republicans the ones basically standing on the still warm bodies of the dead at Benghazi trying desperately to get some political mileage out of it?


If they were playing the long game, it worked.
 
2017-10-03 09:57:36 AM  
You guys are probably busy so:

i.imgur.com
Ok, let's go on to the next thread. Any update on Tom Petty? Is he re-dead again or still in the coma or what?
 
2017-10-03 09:58:05 AM  

intensive porpoise: I just need a question answered.

How would a couple good guys with guns have helped... Or at the very least, not made things exponentially worse?


If you had a good guy with a gun in a decent sniping position at or above the 32nd floor in a hotel facing the room this dude used they may have helped.

Think that's dumb? Well I will bet you money that that is what is likely to be in place at large events near tall buildings before we address maybe not letting every random asshole have an arsenal.
 
2017-10-03 09:58:16 AM  
20 children were murdered at school and that wasn't the time, either.

There will never be a time.
 
2017-10-03 09:59:28 AM  

FortyHams: When they used a plane we all submitted to getting barefoot and having security guards fondle us. When they used a truck and some poop they made both of those things much harder to get. But as soon as a gun is involved we can't talk about it or do anything.


The NRA will point out there's no constitutional right to keep and bear poop.  Although it may come under the heading of "unreasonable searches."
 
2017-10-03 09:59:43 AM  
Is it time to break out Article V and repeal the 2nd?  That's when it will be time to talk about gun control.
 
2017-10-03 10:01:07 AM  

Saiga410: I am always up for a gun debate.  I would recommend holding off on what actual weapons were used and what the guys driving motivation was.


No.

Thy were guns. No other legal weapon would have made this. And there's no way to stop someone from doing this once he has guns.

It's not the time to muddle this particular debate with superfluous facts. Sure, who and why and what for are important questions, and they will trigger different conversations, but any gun control action must stop this kind of action no matter the cause.
 
2017-10-03 10:01:35 AM  

paranand: As a divorced parent in a difficult situation with my daughter, I understand the "now is not the time" argument. But she is a child. The adults in the room need to have an honest and frank discussion about the situation of the nation. If you continue to push it away either you are not willing to take blame, or you think the other side are children and unable to understand the bigger problem. Neither one of these explanations is satisfactory for me where my government is concerned


Here's the situation of the nation:  It's a big farking nation.

People have trouble grasping large numbers.  We have 350 million people in this country.  A few of them are going to be unhinged.
 
2017-10-03 10:04:24 AM  

RabidRythmDivas: paranand: As a divorced parent in a difficult situation with my daughter, I understand the "now is not the time" argument. But she is a child. The adults in the room need to have an honest and frank discussion about the situation of the nation. If you continue to push it away either you are not willing to take blame, or you think the other side are children and unable to understand the bigger problem. Neither one of these explanations is satisfactory for me where my government is concerned

Here's the situation of the nation:  It's a big farking nation.

People have trouble grasping large numbers.  We have 350 million people in this country.  A few of them are going to be unhinged.


About 62,979,636 (46.1%) of them, at last count.
 
2017-10-03 10:04:28 AM  

ArkPanda: FortyHams: When they used a plane we all submitted to getting barefoot and having security guards fondle us. When they used a truck and some poop they made both of those things much harder to get. But as soon as a gun is involved we can't talk about it or do anything.

The NRA will point out there's no constitutional right to keep and bear poop.  Although it may come under the heading of "unreasonable searches."


The entire nation agreed to let high school dropouts touch their junk. I think we can agree to repeal an amendment.
 
2017-10-03 10:05:23 AM  
The guy used automatic weapons. Those should be illegal.
 
Ant
2017-10-03 10:05:43 AM  
This is stupid. I am not anti-gun by any stretch, but if now is not the time to have a discussion about reasonable regulations on gun ownership, when is?
 
2017-10-03 10:06:23 AM  

Walker: ...my funk soul brother.


Thanks for the ear worms.  Can I at least get coffee in my system next time?
 
2017-10-03 10:07:22 AM  
img00.deviantart.net

The kind of change you people want requires either a constitutional amendment or an activist Supreme Court taking a new interpretation of the law. The former is an impossibility politically and the latter is not going to happen thanks to unprecedented right-wing obstruction at the end of the Obama administration which will keep the court far to the right of public discourse for at least another 15 years. I don't see the point in debating this again, it's over. Mass murder is one of the prices to pay to live in the United States.
 
2017-10-03 10:08:26 AM  
I wish I was a member of the press. Next time this happens--and it will happen again soon--I would ask Huckabee-Sanders if the president would consider gun control now.

When she inevitably says that it is too soon after the tragedy to talk about these things, I'd interject: "No, I don't mean we should consider gun control in the wake of yesterday's attack. I'm talking about the Las Vegas attack. It's been a few weeks now."

Either that, or as soon as she rolls out the line about it being too soon, just interrupt her with "You farking cowards."
 
2017-10-03 10:08:38 AM  

NOLAhd: 20 children were murdered at school and that wasn't the time, either.

There will never be a time.


The only time GOP will be willing to discuss gun control is if the messiah is gunned down while performing a miracle.  Abortion control will come only if a fetus pulls the trigger
 
2017-10-03 10:08:49 AM  
You do have to admit that congress is consistent on this. Some dude open fire on them and they were still like "No, this is fine".
 
Ant
2017-10-03 10:09:16 AM  

intensive porpoise: I just need a question answered.

How would a couple good guys with guns have helped... Or at the very least, not made things exponentially worse?


I could totally make the shot from the ground to the 32nd floor window with a handgun while being shot at by an automatic weapon... Totally.
 
Ant
2017-10-03 10:10:03 AM  

shinji3i: You guys are probably busy so:

[i.imgur.com image 850x792]
Ok, let's go on to the next thread. Any update on Tom Petty? Is he re-dead again or still in the coma or what?


Dead, unfortunately. I loved that guy.
 
2017-10-03 10:10:22 AM  
Cornyn is mourning the 18 guns that were confiscated.
 
2017-10-03 10:11:38 AM  

intensive porpoise: How would a couple good guys with guns have helped


A few of Fark's brave 2nd amendment supporters have assured us that they would have kicked the hotel room door down, grabbed the guy by the lapels and looked him in the eye so he know who's boss, and tossed him out the window.
 
2017-10-03 10:12:51 AM  
We should lobby the press corps to ask her everyday until she agrees it's time. One day past never isn't really the right timeline. We need to have discussion about things like collectors versus hoarders. We need to discuss Gun Shows, Magazine size, types of weapons. We should not talk about repeal of the 2nd amendment.

That said, we also need to have, in parallel, real discussion about mental health support for gun owners. So far, the current shooter doesn't seem to follow the same path; however, we don't know much about him right now. NAMI probably has better ideas than I do to support.
 
2017-10-03 10:14:35 AM  

Shaggy_C: [img00.deviantart.net image 850x727]

The kind of change you people want requires either a constitutional amendment or an activist Supreme Court taking a new interpretation of the law. The former is an impossibility politically and the latter is not going to happen thanks to unprecedented right-wing obstruction at the end of the Obama administration which will keep the court far to the right of public discourse for at least another 15 years. I don't see the point in debating this again, it's over. Mass murder is one of the prices to pay to live in the United States.


I'm so proud to live in a country where 59 dead and 512 injured in a single act if mass murder is shugged off as the "price we pay" to live here, aren't you? Our exceptionalism at work.
 
2017-10-03 10:14:40 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-03 10:15:56 AM  

Archidude: Saiga410: I am always up for a gun debate.  I would recommend holding off on what actual weapons were used and what the guys driving motivation was.

Let's be honest,since he's a white guy his motivation will be ignored and it will solely be attributed to mental illness.


...which will also be ignored.
 
2017-10-03 10:18:59 AM  

Ant: shinji3i: You guys are probably busy so:

[i.imgur.com image 850x792]
Ok, let's go on to the next thread. Any update on Tom Petty? Is he re-dead again or still in the coma or what?

Dead, unfortunately. I loved that guy.


Aww man, it's true now? I got pumped up when I saw the LA Sheriff dept put out the press release that he was still alive and the statement that he was dead was incorrect right before bed.
 
2017-10-03 10:19:13 AM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: Archidude: Saiga410: I am always up for a gun debate.  I would recommend holding off on what actual weapons were used and what the guys driving motivation was.

Let's be honest,since he's a white guy his motivation will be ignored and it will solely be attributed to mental illness.

...which will also be ignored.


Cannot exactly call the GOP position health don'tcare
 
2017-10-03 10:20:11 AM  

Alassra: We should lobby the press corps to ask her everyday until she agrees it's time. One day past never isn't really the right timeline. We need to have discussion about things like collectors versus hoarders. We need to discuss Gun Shows, Magazine size, types of weapons. We should not talk about repeal of the 2nd amendment.


What's the point of talking about that other stuff if you're not going to talk about repeal?
 
2017-10-03 10:20:35 AM  

intensive porpoise: I just need a question answered.

How would a couple good guys with guns have helped... Or at the very least, not made things exponentially worse?


There was a story linked in one of the threads yesterday about one of the bands changing their pro 2A stances because they had crew with guns ON THEM who knew that if they tried to "return fire" (into the side of a hotel?) they'd just be confusing to the police.

So the "good guys with guns" were there and couldn't figure it out either.
 
2017-10-03 10:20:44 AM  
Sen. John Cornyn of Texas was more pointed, saying that "politicizing" the Sunday shooting was "beyond disgusting."
"Unfortunately I think some of the statements that have been made are fairly predicable," Cornyn said Monday.


You know what else is fairly predictable?  Cornyn regurgitating the "politicizing the victims" line, and more mass shootings.
 
2017-10-03 10:20:59 AM  
Take them all away
 
2017-10-03 10:21:23 AM  
If 20 dead 6-yos can't be a force for change, why are the NRA and 2nd Amendment types wetting themselves over this atrocity? Rich, old, white guy? Country music lovers?

/Confused
 
2017-10-03 10:21:43 AM  
If it's ever going to happen, it's going to be this time.  Republicans don't give a shiat about kids, servicemen, politicians, or random groups of people getting shot up, but it happening at a gathering of their own has more of them rattled than I've seen with previous shootings.
 
2017-10-03 10:23:03 AM  

RabidRythmDivas: Alassra: We should lobby the press corps to ask her everyday until she agrees it's time. One day past never isn't really the right timeline. We need to have discussion about things like collectors versus hoarders. We need to discuss Gun Shows, Magazine size, types of weapons. We should not talk about repeal of the 2nd amendment.

What's the point of talking about that other stuff if you're not going to talk about repeal?


I don't think that an outright repeal is the best solution - and I am not sure we'd have the votes in either section of congress to pass.
 
2017-10-03 10:24:13 AM  
Too many lazy-ass politicians pandering to their incredibly stupid, ignorant and nostalgic base of yeehaws
Said greedy-ass politicians just farkin' LOVE that money from NRA operatives. Pain and simple greed.
None of them have the guts or integrity to "just say no" to lobbyists.

If you are a one of these short-term-thinking, lazy-ass politicians and accept any bribes from these cold-hearted and evil businessmen, plus pander to the critical-thinking-impaired , then your are complicit in every firearm-related death. Their blood is on your hands. You are scum, evil and deserve to rot in jail for the rest of your life.

Bastards.
 
2017-10-03 10:25:02 AM  
Sanders also deflected Clinton's charges against the National Rifle Association, saying that "the only person with blood on their hands is that of the shooter."

Up yours.  The NRA has dedicated the last forty years to making sure every unhinged twit with an axe to grind can get as many guns as possible as easily as possible.  They took twenty dead children and paraded them down Main Street to "prove" how important it is for everyone to be armed.
 
2017-10-03 10:26:28 AM  

Archidude: I'm so proud to live in a country where 59 dead and 512 injured in a single act if mass murder is shugged off as the "price we pay" to live here, aren't you? Our exceptionalism at work.


I live in London, where the mayor has said that part and parcel of living in a great global city is you've got to be prepared for terrorism. It's true; to a certain extent you can try to prevent murder and carnage but you're never going to be able to protect yourself completely. So, accept it as a risk in the society in which you live and then live your life accordingly, without fear. There are some things that are immutable, and the stereotypical angry, rural American bitterly clinging to his or her guns is a great example.
 
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