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2017-10-03 09:38:29 AM  
"I can't marry you. You have bats in your belfry"
 
2017-10-03 10:35:41 AM  
Meow?
 
2017-10-03 10:53:32 AM  
"A kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it."
 
2017-10-03 10:56:57 AM  
I bet she has a bad case of toxoplasmosis.
 
2017-10-03 10:57:21 AM  
She hacked up a furball, didn't she?
 
2017-10-03 10:58:05 AM  
Right... two unstable people getting married is going to work out just fine...
 
2017-10-03 10:58:24 AM  
...wait, last time that happened, we ended up with both of them dead and Huntress, right?
 
2017-10-03 10:59:09 AM  
Marrying Batman? What next, marrying Superman and Lois Lane?
 
2017-10-03 11:06:56 AM  
No real surprise. Hell, I've known for years that if Bats ever would/could, Selina would be the only possible choice.

/Yes, it's a comic
//No, I'm not really taking it that seriously
///Writers/artists still achieved their desired "warm fuzzy" from this particular fan.
//Hopeless romantic at heart...everyone deserves some happiness, and I have a soft spot for broken people
/Last slashie for symmetry!
 
2017-10-03 11:11:03 AM  
Meh.

I prefer those two as flirtatious occasional adversaries. I mean they dig each other but they know it would never work long term because he's nuts and she likes shiny things too much.
 
2017-10-03 11:19:32 AM  
Wedding presents from Bed, Bat and Beyond.
 
2017-10-03 11:22:42 AM  
 
2017-10-03 11:23:56 AM  
Let's see - they get married, somebody kills her, Bats vows revenge.  Comic tropes in action.
 
2017-10-03 11:27:29 AM  
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2017-10-03 11:36:26 AM  
Nevermind that.. Imagine their children?   Good looking, half bat/half cat - world class burglar/detective with a fortune inheritance, a knack for gadgetry, and ninja skills?   Unstoppable!
 
2017-10-03 11:36:50 AM  
I personally prefer the Wonder Woman / Batman idea, Diana is much more stable mentally than any of Bruce's other intrests.
 
2017-10-03 11:37:14 AM  

BeesNuts: Best Comic Love Scene Ever.


also WTF is going on here? xD
 
2017-10-03 11:37:14 AM  
Dude! I just turned 18!

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2017-10-03 11:38:25 AM  

exparrot: "A kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it."


Best Batman movie of all time, ever.
 
2017-10-03 11:46:23 AM  
Either something will happen that results in the wedding getting called off, or Selena dies.

Only two ways I see this ending.
 
2017-10-03 11:46:27 AM  

LucasLuminaro: Nevermind that.. Imagine their children?   Good looking, half bat/half cat - world class burglar/detective with a fortune inheritance, a knack for gadgetry, and ninja skills?   Unstoppable!


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2017-10-03 11:48:22 AM  

physt: Right... two unstable people getting married is going to work out just fine...


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2017-10-03 11:49:03 AM  

MVEAlpha: Either something will happen that results in the wedding getting called off, or Selena dies.

Only two ways I see this ending.


Calling it now, Talia interrupts the wedding with The League of Assassins.
 
2017-10-03 11:55:11 AM  
News at 11...Cat marries rodent!!
 
2017-10-03 12:04:25 PM  
They could double date with The Joker and Harley Quinn. Like a temporary truce. The Joker knows Batman's identity, doesn't he?
 
2017-10-03 12:07:17 PM  

LucasLuminaro: Nevermind that.. Imagine their children?   Good looking, half bat/half cat - world class burglar/detective with a fortune inheritance, a knack for gadgetry, and ninja skills?   Unstoppable!


Yeah, she'd be great, and has been since 1977
 
2017-10-03 12:12:56 PM  
Bat-Wife!
Booga booga booga booga
Bat-Wife!

Bat-Wife; Bat-Wife, Bat-Wife!
 
2017-10-03 12:14:49 PM  
Dooooomed.
Once you release the tension, the series is OVER.
Sam and Diane in Cheers, Mulder and Scully in X-Files, Joel and Maggie in Northern Exposure...
 
2017-10-03 12:16:41 PM  
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2017-10-03 12:16:59 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: I personally prefer the Wonder Woman / Batman idea, Diana is much more stable mentally than any of Bruce's other intrests.


Bruce on the other hand . . .

JL #57 Batman has issues
Youtube 2MwN2VGoozM
 
2017-10-03 12:25:01 PM  
He'll have the same problem that faced Frozone.

Bruce: Where is my super suit?
Selina: What?
Bruce: WHERE. IS. MY. SUPER. SUIT? WHERE?
Selina: Why do you need to know?
Bruce: I NEED IT!
Selina: Uh-huh.
Bruce: THE PUBLIC IS IN DANGER! YOU TELL ME WHERE MY SUIT IS, WOMAN! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GREATER GOOD!
Selina: "Greater good?" I'm your wife! I am the greatest good you are EVER gonna get!
 
2017-10-03 12:55:50 PM  
I liked the Tell-Tale version.  It explored several routes the relationship could have taken.  I tried several play-through options and liked all of them.

White Knighting Catwoman gets you reprimanded.
Letting her do it herself also gets you reprimanded.

It's almost like they wrote the part for my wife.  Balance on that balance beam, Bruce!
 
2017-10-03 01:11:04 PM  
Depends, is Frank Miller the writer?
 
2017-10-03 01:11:48 PM  
This is why Superman can only bang Wonder Woman

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2017-10-03 01:30:26 PM  
Imagine the BATchelor party!!!

BOOM!!!
 
2017-10-03 01:34:40 PM  

BeesNuts: Best Comic Love Scene Ever.


Yes, yes, Gutts and Casks is very sweet. Shame that everything irrevocably goes to the maximum possible level of shiat immediately afterwards.
 
2017-10-03 01:34:51 PM  

billygeek: Imagine the BATchelor party!!!

BOOM!!!


I think it might go a little something like this.....

"Birds of Prey" from Batman: The Brave and The Bold
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2017-10-03 01:36:49 PM  

End_Of_Line: exparrot: "A kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it."

Best Batman movie of all time, ever.


Counterpoint: Penguin Army.
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2017-10-03 01:42:07 PM  

billygeek: Imagine the BATchelor party!!!

BOOM!!!


Was it DC where the groom to be found out his fiancee was a former porn star at his bachelor party?
 
2017-10-03 01:44:13 PM  

Snapper Carr: Meh.

I prefer those two as flirtatious occasional adversaries. I mean they dig each other but they know it would never work long term because he's nuts and she likes shiny things too much.


She likes stealing shiny things.
Bruce "I use bat-wings in all of my de-co-ra-ting!" Wayne could buy her vast mounds of shiny things, but it wouldn't have the same thrill as taking them.
 
2017-10-03 01:44:56 PM  
Does Catwoman realize she's getting five step-kids in the bargin? Four adopted (Dick, Jason, Tim, Cass) and one biological (Damian).

Plus there's the kid Catwoman gave up for adoption.

/is any of that still in continuity?
//I don't even know any more
///fark reboots and fark the nu52
 
2017-10-03 01:51:38 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Dude! I just turned 18!

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I wonder if she uses the same eye-wrangler service as Uma Thurman?
 
2017-10-03 02:07:50 PM  

CNichols: BeesNuts: Best Comic Love Scene Ever.

Yes, yes, Gutts and Casks is very sweet. Shame that everything irrevocably goes to the maximum possible level of shiat immediately afterwards.


It goes to the maximum possible level of shiat IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCENE.  And then it gets worse after.

I was being coy.

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2017-10-03 02:16:40 PM  
She'd say "I'm fictional so whatever the writer thinks would sell more comics is what I'd do."
 
2017-10-03 02:21:54 PM  
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2017-10-03 02:23:42 PM  
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2017-10-03 02:34:15 PM  

slapmastered: No real surprise. Hell, I've known for years that if Bats ever would/could, Selina would be the only possible choice.

I just watched 1993's Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. It was good. Bruce isn't allowed happiness. His parents haunt him if he tries, because he made a vow to fight evil, not be a normal guy.
I also watched the new Batman and Harley Quinn. i do not recommend. It was bipolar between being a kids cartoon, and having odd things like harley raping "nightwig"

DjangoStonereaver: LucasLuminaro: Nevermind that.. Imagine their children?   Good looking, half bat/half cat - world class burglar/detective with a fortune inheritance, a knack for gadgetry, and ninja skills?   Unstoppable!

Yeah, she'd be great, and has been since 1977


hrm.. i need to get around to watching the birds of prey tv series
 
2017-10-03 03:15:56 PM  

mrsleep: Dooooomed.
Once you release the tension, the series is OVER.
Sam and Diane in Cheers, Mulder and Scully in X-Files, Joel and Maggie in Northern Exposure...


No. First of all, Batman story isn't hinged on the relationship.

Second: Superman and Lois Lane marriage was brought back after the Wonder Woman/Superman relationship tanked. In fact, Married Superman actually made his stories more interesting.

Third: Your examples are just bad handling of the characters.

Fourth: it's doomed because it's happening in the middle of Tom Kings story arc. If it was happening near the end, then yeah. But story structure gives you the biggest clue.
 
2017-10-03 03:17:49 PM  
This is nice and all, but if they don't do something to sabotage their relationship in the 11th hour and actually have them get married, in a few years they'll retcon the whole freaking thing to the the point where they don't even know each other again, or some such nonsense.

Comic books are basically soap operas with superheroes in them.  No one ever stays dead, relationships form and fall apart in the blink of an eye, people you think are good turn out bad, yadda yadda.
 
2017-10-03 03:19:06 PM  

YodaBlues: End_Of_Line: exparrot: "A kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it."

Best Batman movie of all time, ever.

Counterpoint: Penguin Army.
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I never said that there were not low points.

Still awesome. YMMV
 
2017-10-03 03:27:39 PM  
"Not meow, i want it to be purrfect."
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2017-10-03 03:34:55 PM  

End_Of_Line: YodaBlues: End_Of_Line: exparrot: "A kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it."

Best Batman movie of all time, ever.

Counterpoint: Penguin Army.
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I never said that there were not low points.

Still awesome. YMMV


Great Tim Burton film.

Horrible Batman Film.

Best way to enjoy it, slap an Elseworld logo on it and enjoy it for what it is.
 
2017-10-03 03:36:07 PM  
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2017-10-03 04:07:23 PM  

Flappyhead: billygeek: Imagine the BATchelor party!!!

BOOM!!!

Was it DC where the groom to be found out his fiancee was a former porn star at his bachelor party?


No, that was Incredible Hulk #417, when Hulk threw a bachelor party for Rick Jones, and the stag film they wound up showing starred Rick's soon to be wife, Marlo.

Of course, Marlo started out in the book nailing the Grey Hulk in Vegas, so there were already issues there.

Then later, she left Rick and lezzed out with Moonstone for a while.

The Hulk/Captain  Marvel books sort of went to hell around that time and I can't tell you what happened after 2006ish.

As for Catwoman and Batman? God, DC is sad and pathetic.
 
2017-10-03 04:11:18 PM  

LucasLuminaro: Nevermind that.. Imagine their children?   Good looking, half bat/half cat - world class burglar/detective with a fortune inheritance, a knack for gadgetry, and ninja skills?   Unstoppable!


Licking their balls with one leg in the air?  No thanks.
 
2017-10-03 04:54:28 PM  

Myrdinn: ...wait, last time that happened, we ended up with both of them dead and Huntress, right?


That was, what, a pre-COIE's generation ago?
 
2017-10-03 04:56:43 PM  

wildcardjack: This is why Superman can only bang Wonder Woman

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Really?  Last time I checked Lois was just fine and they had a kid together so...
 
2017-10-03 04:58:10 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Fourth: it's doomed because it's happening in the middle of Tom Kings story arc. If it was happening near the end, then yeah. But story structure gives you the biggest clue.


I hope you're wrong. I know this might out me as a softie, but I think Bruce should keep it together with Selena. In fact, that was the part of Hush that angered me so much that they had to have Bruce cut off their relationship when it seemed like it might be going somewhere.

Really it makes him a more interesting and compelling character, just as having a normal wife and super-kid has made Superman much more interesting. Hell, Batman has had everything but a wife: adoptive kids, mentees, a kid, "partners," enemies, etc.

For example, even though Clark is quite literally Superman, sometimes there's things that a megaton punch or steel skin won't solve. There's times that he has to trust that Jon will do the right thing. And its rewarding as a reader to watch Superman's faith in his son get rewarded, even as at times Jon stumbles. (You remember that time he vaporized the cat? Holy shnikeys!)

Just as I hope that Bruce will discover, sometimes there's things you can't Xanatos Gambit your way out of.

/Plus I find Damian irritating, so I hope he gets a little sister that can kick his petulant ass.
 
2017-10-03 05:00:06 PM  

imashark: Darth_Lukecash: Fourth: it's doomed because it's happening in the middle of Tom Kings story arc. If it was happening near the end, then yeah. But story structure gives you the biggest clue.

I hope you're wrong. I know this might out me as a softie, but I think Bruce should keep it together with Selena. In fact, that was the part of Hush that angered me so much that they had to have Bruce cut off their relationship when it seemed like it might be going somewhere.

Really it makes him a more interesting and compelling character, just as having a normal wife and super-kid has made Superman much more interesting. Hell, Batman has had everything but a wife: adoptive kids, mentees, a kid, "partners," enemies, etc.

For example, even though Clark is quite literally Superman, sometimes there's things that a megaton punch or steel skin won't solve. There's times that he has to trust that Jon will do the right thing. And its rewarding as a reader to watch Superman's faith in his son get rewarded, even as at times Jon stumbles. (You remember that time he vaporized the cat? Holy shnikeys!)

Just as I hope that Bruce will discover, sometimes there's things you can't Xanatos Gambit your way out of.

/Plus I find Damian irritating, so I hope he gets a little sister that can kick his petulant ass.


Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".
 
2017-10-03 05:06:16 PM  

Mugato: They could double date with The Joker and Harley Quinn. Like a temporary truce. The Joker knows Batman's identity, doesn't he?


Joker and Harley Quinn have been on the outs for a really really long time.
 
2017-10-03 05:07:39 PM  

Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".


Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.
 
2017-10-03 05:13:07 PM  

Rwa2play: Myrdinn: ...wait, last time that happened, we ended up with both of them dead and Huntress, right?

That was, what, a pre-COIE's generation ago?


I think I was one at the time, so, yeah, about right ;-)
1977ish?
There might be an earlier version.
 
2017-10-03 05:13:58 PM  

imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.


And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.
 
2017-10-03 05:18:29 PM  

imashark: Darth_Lukecash: Fourth: it's doomed because it's happening in the middle of Tom Kings story arc. If it was happening near the end, then yeah. But story structure gives you the biggest clue.

I hope you're wrong. I know this might out me as a softie, but I think Bruce should keep it together with Selena. In fact, that was the part of Hush that angered me so much that they had to have Bruce cut off their relationship when it seemed like it might be going somewhere.

Really it makes him a more interesting and compelling character, just as having a normal wife and super-kid has made Superman much more interesting. Hell, Batman has had everything but a wife: adoptive kids, mentees, a kid, "partners," enemies, etc.

For example, even though Clark is quite literally Superman, sometimes there's things that a megaton punch or steel skin won't solve. There's times that he has to trust that Jon will do the right thing. And its rewarding as a reader to watch Superman's faith in his son get rewarded, even as at times Jon stumbles. (You remember that time he vaporized the cat? Holy shnikeys!)

Just as I hope that Bruce will discover, sometimes there's things you can't Xanatos Gambit your way out of.

/Plus I find Damian irritating, so I hope he gets a little sister that can kick his petulant ass.


Oh I don't disagree.

But friend of mine thought that their relationship was very French. They loved each other, meet and have passionate sex, but the would never cage each other. Batman is always going to put Gotham first, and Catwoman values her independence far too much.

There have been great runs of Batman/Cateoman romance: The story of how the Golden Age Batmsn and Catwoman finally hooked up, Hush, (include the build up of the Long Dark Holloween Stories) Doug Moenich run in Barman, (pre-Dark Knight era), The Dark Knight Rises movie, and the Worlds' Finest Run in (Huntrest/Powergirl book and the flashbacks)

Personally, I'd love it if they became a Nick and Nora "Thin Man" type couple, throwing witty remarks between themselves and sarcastic barbs at the bad guys.
 
2017-10-03 05:20:12 PM  

imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.


Of course, Marvel being Marvel, they have "Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows" where Pete/MJ have a kid together and they'll all fighting crime..together.
 
2017-10-03 05:20:44 PM  

Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.


You know, I got over One More Day. But when that talentless farking hack Dan Slott went and destroyed Spider-Girl and whacked the successfully and happily married Peter and Mary Jane just for lame shock value in one of his shiatty "event" crossovers, that was about the time I abandoned Marvel altogether.

Of course, they had their own Crisis on Infinite Earths shortly after and made a great stopping point, so it was all good.

/Spidey couldn't be married because Joey Q is another "professional" fanboy like Geoff Johns who can't fathom a character can be anything other than what he read in the 1970s when he was sitting around in his underoos.
 
2017-10-03 05:22:33 PM  

Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.


There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.
 
2017-10-03 05:24:07 PM  

Myrdinn: Rwa2play: Myrdinn: ...wait, last time that happened, we ended up with both of them dead and Huntress, right?

That was, what, a pre-COIE's generation ago?

I think I was one at the time, so, yeah, about right ;-)
1977ish?
There might be an earlier version.


Yup. Early 1970s actually.  When DC started doing an Earth 2 book based on the Justice Society. These were done to keep trademarks and copyrights, and allow up and coming fanboys turned writers a blank slate to experiment.

It's where Power Girl and Huntress came from.
 
2017-10-03 05:24:36 PM  

Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.


And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.
 
2017-10-03 05:31:38 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

You know, I got over One More Day. But when that talentless farking hack Dan Slott went and destroyed Spider-Girl and whacked the successfully and happily married Peter and Mary Jane just for lame shock value in one of his shiatty "event" crossovers, that was about the time I abandoned Marvel altogether.

Of course, they had their own Crisis on Infinite Earths shortly after and made a great stopping point, so it was all good.

/Spidey couldn't be married because Joey Q is another "professional" fanboy like Geoff Johns who can't fathom a character can be anything other than what he read in the 1970s when he was sitting around in his underoos.


Don't blame Geoff, I think that was more Dan Didios line of thinking.

Fact is DC rectified their mistake, especially since the Wonder Woman/Superman relationship didn't catch fire. And Convergence showed how popular some of the older versions of the characters were.
 
2017-10-03 05:31:38 PM  

hammer85: Mugato: They could double date with The Joker and Harley Quinn. Like a temporary truce. The Joker knows Batman's identity, doesn't he?

Joker and Harley Quinn have been on the outs for a really really long time.


Dysfunctional relationships have a way of coming and going.
 
2017-10-03 05:36:13 PM  

Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.


That's what I enjoyed about Fables so much(well, the early story arcs anyway).  They took risks and went in new directions.  With a good writing and editing team you can get a lot of ground covered in a minimum amount of arcs, leaving plenty of space for the straightforward villain of the week stuff in between.
 
2017-10-03 05:40:01 PM  
"Mister President, bring our boys home from Indochina."
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2017-10-03 05:41:33 PM  

Mugato: hammer85: Mugato: They could double date with The Joker and Harley Quinn. Like a temporary truce. The Joker knows Batman's identity, doesn't he?

Joker and Harley Quinn have been on the outs for a really really long time.

Dysfunctional relationships have a way of coming and going.


Not really: Harely is a popular character that has been more or turned into an anti-hero.

The humorousyet abusive relationship worked fine for the cartoon, because the Joker really wasn't that abusivec outcside of a cartoony way. Within a more "real" comic book, it was far too abusive.

Hell, in the Suicide Squad, they are a twisted couple, who actually likes each other. And that was changed from the scrip where the Joker intentionality pushed Harely off the plane to kill her.
 
2017-10-03 05:44:54 PM  

Mugato: hammer85: Mugato: They could double date with The Joker and Harley Quinn. Like a temporary truce. The Joker knows Batman's identity, doesn't he?

Joker and Harley Quinn have been on the outs for a really really long time.

Dysfunctional relationships have a way of coming and going.


Ya I don't think its happening.  There's been plenty of times where they've met in recent issues where she generally ends up beating the shiat out of him or turning him down.  She's too firmly established herself as DC's deadpool/anti-hero and has her own little world going on that there would be blood if she just became Joker's sidekick again.

Harley is beating out nightwing and green lantern in comics sold.  And it's only slightly behind Action Comics.

There is no plot or financial incentive for her to ever get back with him.
 
2017-10-03 05:59:28 PM  

hammer85: There is no plot or financial incentive for her to ever get back with him.


I dunno, you see it all the time in real life. She was a nutcase to begin with. Battered wife syndrome, why can't they get back together? I bet they will in the next Suicide Squad movie.
 
2017-10-03 06:57:00 PM  

killzoe: Let's see - they get married, somebody kills her, Bats vows revenge.  Comic tropes in action.


Naw. Someone kills Alfred, Bats makes a deal with the Devil to bring him back to life at the cost of his marriage, fans riot as Spider-Man fans laugh trying to forget certain memories.
 
2017-10-03 06:59:12 PM  

billygeek: Imagine the BATchelor party!!!

BOOM!!!


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2017-10-03 07:59:25 PM  
Need more pictures of the various catwomen. Leaning towards Michelle.
 
2017-10-03 08:54:24 PM  
heh.  reminds me of the older DC comic encyclopedia I have , it has a section on romances inthe comics and it states Btam is an expert on everything but relationships.
 
2017-10-03 08:56:21 PM  

johnphantom: Need more pictures of the various catwomen. Leaning towards Michelle.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

img.fark.net

Anne Hathaway was a child.
 
2017-10-03 09:09:26 PM  

MVEAlpha: Either something will happen that results in the wedding getting called off, or Selena dies.

Only two ways I see this ending.


assets.change.orgDios mio, mang culturepop.com
 
2017-10-03 09:12:04 PM  

YodaBlues: End_Of_Line: exparrot: "A kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it."

Best Batman movie of all time, ever.

Counterpoint: Penguin Army.
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So you're arguing greatest movie ever?
 
2017-10-03 09:13:47 PM  

BeesNuts: CNichols: BeesNuts: Best Comic Love Scene Ever.

Yes, yes, Gutts and Casks is very sweet. Shame that everything irrevocably goes to the maximum possible level of shiat immediately afterwards.

It goes to the maximum possible level of shiat IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCENE.  And then it gets worse after.

I was being coy.

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Oglaf?
 
2017-10-03 09:15:17 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: Flappyhead: billygeek: Imagine the BATchelor party!!!

BOOM!!!

Was it DC where the groom to be found out his fiancee was a former porn star at his bachelor party?

No, that was Incredible Hulk #417, when Hulk threw a bachelor party for Rick Jones, and the stag film they wound up showing starred Rick's soon to be wife, Marlo.

Of course, Marlo started out in the book nailing the Grey Hulk in Vegas, so there were already issues there.

Then later, she left Rick and lezzed out with Moonstone for a while.

The Hulk/Captain  Marvel books sort of went to hell around that time and I can't tell you what happened after 2006ish.

As for Catwoman and Batman? God, DC is sad and pathetic.


Tracedby Greg Land?
 
2017-10-03 09:16:33 PM  

hammer85: Mugato: They could double date with The Joker and Harley Quinn. Like a temporary truce. The Joker knows Batman's identity, doesn't he?

Joker and Harley Quinn have been on the outs for a really really long time.


Harley became Deadpool some time back
 
2017-10-03 09:18:43 PM  

Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.


Well shiat yeah, that's a lot of ground to till. And if I remember right this was after Civil War when ALL of Spidey's enemies knew who he was. They could have tilled THAT for five years but much like Stimpy, they couldn't wait to hit that cosmic whammy button.
 
2017-10-03 09:19:19 PM  

Fano: ElectricPeterTork: Flappyhead: billygeek: Imagine the BATchelor party!!!

BOOM!!!

Was it DC where the groom to be found out his fiancee was a former porn star at his bachelor party?

No, that was Incredible Hulk #417, when Hulk threw a bachelor party for Rick Jones, and the stag film they wound up showing starred Rick's soon to be wife, Marlo.

Of course, Marlo started out in the book nailing the Grey Hulk in Vegas, so there were already issues there.

Then later, she left Rick and lezzed out with Moonstone for a while.

The Hulk/Captain  Marvel books sort of went to hell around that time and I can't tell you what happened after 2006ish.

As for Catwoman and Batman? God, DC is sad and pathetic.

Tracedby Greg Land?


lubbockonline.com
 
2017-10-03 09:20:57 PM  

Fano: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

Well shiat yeah, that's a lot of ground to till. And if I remember right this was after Civil War when ALL of Spidey's enemies knew who he was. They could have tilled THAT for five years but much like Stimpy, they couldn't wait to hit that cosmic whammy button.


IIRC, JMS said the only reason they did the big Peter Parker secret identity reveal was because they knew the big red button was coming, so it didn't matter anyway!

I still give JMS enough credit to say that One More Day wasn't his mistake, Joey Q took over and shat that one out.
 
2017-10-03 09:30:17 PM  

Lokilaw2012: billygeek: Imagine the BATchelor party!!!

BOOM!!!

[img.fark.net image 425x637]


Sort of funny but they really should have used the different cells, showing all of batmans emotions come from his eye.
 
2017-10-03 09:32:21 PM  

johnphantom: Need more pictures of the various catwomen. Leaning towards Michelle.


Julie Newmar by a mile:

img.fark.net

img.fark.net
 
2017-10-03 09:32:53 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.


I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.
 
2017-10-03 09:36:20 PM  

Cndn Bacon: johnphantom: Need more pictures of the various catwomen. Leaning towards Michelle.

Julie Newmar by a mile:

[img.fark.net image 425x311]

[img.fark.net image 309x328]


Wasn't devious enough.
 
2017-10-03 09:39:18 PM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.

I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.


If it's natural and organic, people will accept a replacement like Jim Rhodes as Iron Man. Or, you can just make him War Machine.

Of course, that was 30 years ago, and people did decide to get retarded about Falcon Cap. However, that came after the better part of a decade with Bucky as Cap, so maybe it wasn't so much "ZOMG BLACK CAP NOT MY CAP!" as it was "Jesus farking Christ, Steve hasn't even been back as Cap for two years yet, and that horrible Rick Remender Dimension Z abortion took up one of those years, and we're replacing him again?"
 
2017-10-03 09:40:01 PM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.

I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.


This
 
2017-10-03 09:48:39 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.

I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.

If it's natural and organic, people will accept a replac ...


The logic is just so bizzare. 'X character is popular...therefor, the best way to take a short cut to making a minority character popular, is to make them the new X!'

Right, because the only reason people like a character is.....their power set? Everything else they could give no shiats about, or so someone apparently thinks. And then they act all surprised and go 'well, this is why there aren't so many minority characters! No one wants to read about them....' Totally ignoring that anyone might be mad you took away their favorite they had been following for years. I can't understand why this isn't 2+2=4 levels easy to understand.
 
2017-10-03 09:53:01 PM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.

I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.

If it's natural and organic, people will accept a replac ...

The logic is just so bizzare. 'X character is popular...therefor, the best way to take a short cut to making a minority character popular, is to make them the new X!'

Right, because the only reason people like a character is.....their power set? Everything else they could give no shiats about, or so someone apparently thinks. And then they act all surprised and go 'well, this is why there aren't so many minority characters! No one wants to read about them....' Totally ignoring that anyone might be mad you took away their favorite they had been following for years. I can't understand why this isn't 2+2=4 levels easy to understand.


Yet Marvel did Ms. Marvel so right...

Take an abandoned second stringer name, fill the position with a new character that you can make whatever you want, profit.
 
2017-10-03 10:05:26 PM  

Cndn Bacon: johnphantom: Need more pictures of the various catwomen. Leaning towards Michelle.

Julie Newmar by a mile:

[img.fark.net image 425x311]

[img.fark.net image 309x328]


By a mile? Try by light years.
 
2017-10-03 10:08:00 PM  

Rwa2play: Cndn Bacon: johnphantom: Need more pictures of the various catwomen. Leaning towards Michelle.

Julie Newmar by a mile:

[img.fark.net image 425x311]

[img.fark.net image 309x328]

By a mile? Try by light years.


68.media.tumblr.com
 
2017-10-03 10:11:07 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: Yet Marvel did Ms. Marvel so right...

Take an abandoned second stringer name, fill the position with a new character that you can make whatever you want, profit.


Sigh...I miss her old look.  At least it was somewhat unique.
 
2017-10-03 10:43:26 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: et Marvel did Ms. Marvel so right...

Take an abandoned second stringer name, fill the position with a new character that you can make whatever you want, profit.


Damn right that's how you do it. You want a "new" legacy character? Make Renee Montoya The Question. Second and Third Stringers can OFTEN be done well with a race/sex lift.

But ordinarily, I think it's demeaning to all minorities and underrepresented groups in comics to make them piggyback off of the old standard characters. If they succeed (well Batman is a successful character anyway, and Bat Manuel will get his run until the writers get bored) and if they fail (nobody wants gay women in comics because lesbian Wolverine failed)
 
2017-10-03 11:35:32 PM  

Fano: ElectricPeterTork: et Marvel did Ms. Marvel so right...

Take an abandoned second stringer name, fill the position with a new character that you can make whatever you want, profit.

Damn right that's how you do it. You want a "new" legacy character? Make Renee Montoya The Question. Second and Third Stringers can OFTEN be done well with a race/sex lift.

But ordinarily, I think it's demeaning to all minorities and underrepresented groups in comics to make them piggyback off of the old standard characters. If they succeed (well Batman is a successful character anyway, and Bat Manuel will get his run until the writers get bored) and if they fail (nobody wants gay women in comics because lesbian Wolverine failed)


It worked for Miles Morales, though.  He actually turned out to be very popular.  Of course, he started by replacing an alternate universe's Peter Parker, so fans still had the original one around in the 616.

But it is disheartening to see how they went from doing two legacy characters so well (Miles Morales and Kamala Khan) to failing miserably with a bunch of others.  (Side note: I do really enjoy Jason Aaron's Thor arc, since it is a cool examination of the whole idea of deities and worthiness.  Also, I am a sucker for characters with cancer - I love Deadpool and my favorite comic miniseries is... one that I won't name here since cancer comes as a surprise reveal later in the series - so the added drama of the powers exacerbating Jane Foster's condition has me riveted.)  Riri Williams came out of nowhere and Amadeus Cho has had enough experience with Banner to know that giving himself those powers would be a HUGE mistake.

I also wish Wiccan and Hulkling could find a bigger audience.  They're such a well developed couple, and are much better gay representation than Bendis' ham-handed outing of Iceman (though Sina Grace seems to be trying his best with the character's solo series.)
 
2017-10-03 11:43:12 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-03 11:51:24 PM  

CT Zeal: Also, I am a sucker for characters with cancer


You've read The Life and Death of Captain Marvel trade then, right?
 
2017-10-03 11:53:36 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: CT Zeal: Also, I am a sucker for characters with cancer

You've read The Life and Death of Captain Marvel trade then, right?


Of course.
 
2017-10-03 11:54:18 PM  
As she's pegging him on their wedding night all I can think of is him saying, in his Batman voice, "So that's what that feels like...".
 
2017-10-03 11:59:49 PM  
Meow?
 
2017-10-04 12:53:33 AM  

Fano: ElectricPeterTork: et Marvel did Ms. Marvel so right...

Take an abandoned second stringer name, fill the position with a new character that you can make whatever you want, profit.

Damn right that's how you do it. You want a "new" legacy character? Make Renee Montoya The Question. Second and Third Stringers can OFTEN be done well with a race/sex lift.

But ordinarily, I think it's demeaning to all minorities and underrepresented groups in comics to make them piggyback off of the old standard characters. If they succeed (well Batman is a successful character anyway, and Bat Manuel will get his run until the writers get bored) and if they fail (nobody wants gay women in comics because lesbian Wolverine failed)


Yeah, the Second and Third Stringers is the key for rotating people in an out, or something like the Lantern Corps.
 
2017-10-04 01:13:30 AM  

WordsnCollision: [img.fark.net image 500x266]


Funny, that's what i said to my exwife when she served me papers.
 
2017-10-04 05:34:08 AM  

slapmastered: No real surprise. Hell, I've known for years that if Bats ever would/could, Selina would be the only possible choice.


Except for Julie Madison, Vicki Vale, Talia al Ghul, Pamela Isley, Linda Page, Kathy Kane (who actually is married to Batman in a load of splinter continuities), Zatanna, Silver St. Cloud, Rachel Caspian (to whom he actually proposed iirc before standard soap-opera shenanigans occurred), Natalia Knight, Julia Pennyworth, Vesper Fairchild (hm, Moench was kind of obsessed with batman's sex life for some reason), Wonder Woman (both the silliest and most serious relationship at the same time), Black Canary (ugh, Frank Miller, but technically canon.  Ugh.), Lorna Stone (also involved a potential proposal and soap operatics), Andrea Beaumont (actually proposed and accepted before the soap came into play), and about a hundred others that only got one-off mentions instead of actual dedicated arcs.

The "Batman meets a girl and considers settling down permanently" thing isn't really new and exciting.  And by 'isn't really new and exciting' I mean it's a stock Batman sub-plot that's pulled out for padding every time a writer's ideas are running a bit thin, meaning basically once very two to five years for most of the last century.

Good luck with the romantic thing, because if it actually gets to the point of a completed marriage Selina Kyle will be stuffed into a refrigerator within a year if not within an issue.  We know because we've seen literally this exact plot upwards of twenty times now.
 
2017-10-04 05:47:08 AM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: Right, because the only reason people like a character is.....their power set?


In fairness, the single most successful/popular legacy character on at least the DC side and possibly in the entirety of comics not only did a race lift with each reboot, it changed the power set and even the genre of the book.

//Blue Beetle, obviously.  Connected literally by the name, admiration for the previous holder of the title, and zero other things.  Well, a bunch of time-travel and retcons, but those don't really count.
 
2017-10-04 08:24:17 AM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.

I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.


You say that but history has shown that successful new characters are few and far between
 
2017-10-04 01:08:42 PM  

SuperChuck: Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.

I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.

You say that but history has shown that successful new characters are few and far between


68.media.tumblr.com
This is the life we chose. The only guarantee is that none of us will have sales over fifty thousand.

Good luck with your zero sum game. I'm sure that Doc Savage, the Phantom, or the Spirit would be successful now if only they'd been rebooted endlessly.
 
2017-10-04 02:52:24 PM  

SuperChuck: Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.

I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.

You say that but history has shown that successful new c ...


Well...that's just how it is? Successful new books are somewhat rare, most of them don't go on the be super popular. Same thing with restaurants. Or tv shows. Nothing is guaranteed success. It's the most natural and expected thing that not every new character becomes popular, so you keep at it until something works. If you have to create a handful of diverse characters before one of them becomes popular, so what? There were plenty of white guy characters who got created and weren't super popular.
 
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Dark Side Of The Spoon: SuperChuck: Dark Side Of The Spoon: ElectricPeterTork: Rwa2play: Flappyhead: imashark: Rwa2play: Which is (partially) why some Spider-Man fans want to wage jihadagainst Queseda for "One More Day".

Man I knew Peter's marriage was retconned out of the universe, but after reading the wiki page, the way they appear to have did it seems so... artless.

And to top it all off they could have had a much, MUCH better ending.  Peter lets Aunt May die, cutting the last line to his pre-Spiderman days and now Mary Jane is his only grounding mechanism.  He has to take those last few painful steps into true adulthood almost completely on his own.  That's a lot of ground to till if you do it right.

There's so many directions that Marvel could take to make their stories hella interesting and grounding.  Yet we're still watching a universe where Spidey's single (again), the X-men are hunted (again), and they can't tell a good Dr. Strange story if it killed them.

And a character either has to be disgraced and replaced by a multicultural multiethnic dartboard choice Mary Sue, or the replacement has to be replaced by the original old white guy because sales dropped like a rock... depending upon which week this is.

I don't know why it's so hard for comic book execs to understand that when people say they want more representation in comics they DON'T WANT YOU TO REPLACE EXISTING POPULAR CHARACTERS, NO JUST STOP IT. Like Wonder Woman and Catwoman and Harley....they are original characters, not replacements. Or Luke Cage. Or Black Panther. Rogue. Jean Grey. Storm. Pick any minority/female character that is popular, they start as their own character. Want to connect them to an existing character? Okay, look at She-Hulk. She didn't replace the Hulk...she just became a slightly different Hulk. Or Supergirl, she didn't need to become the new Superman. People want you to create NEW characters, not take away existing popular ones and replace them.

You say that but history has shown that successful new c ...

Well...that's just how it is? Successful new books are somewhat rare, most of them don't go on the be super popular. Same thing with restaurants. Or tv shows. Nothing is guaranteed success. It's the most natural and expected thing that not every new character becomes popular, so you keep at it until something works. If you have to create a handful of diverse characters before one of them becomes popular, so what? There were plenty of white guy characters who got created and weren't super popular.


Let's not make a new restaurant, we can turn McDonalds into Chipotle.
 
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