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(Newsweek)   SETI claims alien life will be found in twenty years, though if they just bring back SETI eels it will make Khan happy   ( newsweek.com) divider line
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2017-10-03 10:41:32 AM  
For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.
 
2017-10-03 11:44:10 AM  

Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.


No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.
 
2017-10-03 01:04:16 PM  

Mugato: Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.


There is no proof that life exists outside of Earth. Even if you assume life there's no reason to think intelligence is common. Even if you assume intelligence there's no reason to assume technology is common. SETI is searching for signs of advanced  technological Civilization and if the nearest technologically advanced alien life is three galaxies away then SETI is unlikely to detect it.
 
2017-10-03 01:52:53 PM  
And fusion power-plants are just 10 years away. Same as they have been for the past 40 years.
 
2017-10-03 01:55:21 PM  
If he knows we're going to find intelligent alien life in 20 years, just skip all the hoops we're going to jump through in that time to get there, and thereby discover intelligent life tomorrow instead of two decades from now.

Sheesh.

It's not that difficult to understand.
 
2017-10-03 02:07:07 PM  
It was maybe 16 years ago when I ran their screen saver and they said they could potentially find ET within 20 years. So am I just waiting 4 more years or another 20?  Which is it already?
 
2017-10-03 02:07:21 PM  
Space is probably teeming with life.

But it's not very interesting life. Lichen and such.
 
2017-10-03 02:28:05 PM  
Can you still get that screen saver?

/DNRTA
//too lazy to google
 
2017-10-03 02:33:51 PM  
You used to be able to assist SETI by using your home pc to analyze their data. It would download the data and analyze the software only when your pc idles. Called BOINC. Further reading here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu
 
2017-10-03 02:35:57 PM  

Chompachangas: You used to be able to assist SETI by using your home pc to analyze their data. It would download the data and analyze the software incoming data only when your pc idles. Called BOINC. Further reading here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu


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2017-10-03 02:40:40 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Mugato: Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

There is no proof that life exists outside of Earth. Even if you assume life there's no reason to think intelligence is common. Even if you assume intelligence there's no reason to assume technology is common. SETI is searching for signs of advanced  technological Civilization and if the nearest technologically advanced alien life is three galaxies away then SETI is unlikely to detect it.


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Your comments reminded me of the bit in the Guide talking about how it's so big there are no imports / exports, and any people you come across are figments of your imagination, because the probability of life is so small, given the area encompassed.
 
2017-10-03 02:40:49 PM  
Some of the signals that were easy to detect are from natural phenomena more powerful than anything on Earth.

In other words, the signals we really like, if created artificially would by definition have come from technology well beyond our own.

We have been searching with roughly the same detection methods for 50 years and counting.  So even by our own definition we can find intelligent life that is easily 50 or more years advanced than us.
 
2017-10-03 02:44:42 PM  

Makh: We have been searching with roughly the same detection methods for 50 years and counting.  So even by our own definition we can find intelligent life that is easily 50 or more years advanced than us.


On the other hand, to use an analogy I've heard SETI scientists use before, we've done the equivalent of searching a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean.  It's not surprising that we didn't catch a fish.
 
2017-10-03 02:49:40 PM  
The relevant xkcd.
 
2017-10-03 02:50:08 PM  
THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!!
 
2017-10-03 02:54:42 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: Makh: We have been searching with roughly the same detection methods for 50 years and counting.  So even by our own definition we can find intelligent life that is easily 50 or more years advanced than us.

On the other hand, to use an analogy I've heard SETI scientists use before, we've done the equivalent of searching a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean.  It's not surprising that we didn't catch a fish.


That metaphor seems silly to me. More like, we searched a cup of water with a pair of binoculars, while the cup was sitting on a table a mile away.
 
2017-10-03 02:58:59 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: On the other hand, to use an analogy I've heard SETI scientists use before, we've done the equivalent of searching a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean.  It's not surprising that we didn't catch a fish.


So someone who creates a cup of water that is bright enough for us to easily find from miles away might have technology way more advanced than ours.
 
2017-10-03 03:04:47 PM  
Does Not Approve.

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2017-10-03 03:07:58 PM  
If they're using quantum communication SETI won't detect that.
 
2017-10-03 03:18:46 PM  
Of course there are aliens. Unfortunately they are natural telepaths with the ability to fold space so they have no use for EM communications or transportation and we will never detect them.
 
2017-10-03 03:23:10 PM  

ABQGOD: THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!!


Thank you Enterprise staff, for keeping us infromed.  Maybe next time a note in the data links about the psychotic genius supervillain you stranded randomly.
 
2017-10-03 03:41:55 PM  
I would love to believe he's right.  Twenty years ago we didn't even have evidence that planets existed around other stars.  The chances that life exists only on earth is inconceivable to me, but it would not surprise me to learn that the closest existing civilization life is so distant or different from us that detection would be impossible.
 
2017-10-03 04:01:54 PM  

Chompachangas: You used to be able to assist SETI by using your home pc to analyze their data. It would download the data and analyze the software only when your pc idles. Called BOINC. Further reading here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu


Huh, totally forgot I used to run SETI @ Home on my old PC.


Are the top crunchers still IT pros who run it on all their company's computers?
 
2017-10-03 04:15:28 PM  

born_yesterday: ABQGOD: THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!!

Thank you Enterprise staff, for keeping us infromed.  Maybe next time a note in the data links about the psychotic genius supervillain you stranded randomly.


Even if Starfleet had made that incident eyes only, you'd think Checkov would have remembered the guy who tried to take over the Enterprise and start a war.
 
2017-10-03 04:47:55 PM  

Gleeman: born_yesterday: ABQGOD: THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!!

Thank you Enterprise staff, for keeping us infromed.  Maybe next time a note in the data links about the psychotic genius supervillain you stranded randomly.

Even if Starfleet had made that incident eyes only, you'd think Checkov would have remembered the guy who tried to take over the Enterprise and start a war.


He wasn't on the Enterprise in the original Khan episode. In an interview, Walter Koenig explained that there was a point in WOK when Chekhov "remembers" Khan, but Koenig didn't want to get written out of the movie, so he didn't bring it up.
 
2017-10-03 05:16:56 PM  

cob2f: Gleeman: born_yesterday: ABQGOD: THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!!

Thank you Enterprise staff, for keeping us infromed.  Maybe next time a note in the data links about the psychotic genius supervillain you stranded randomly.

Even if Starfleet had made that incident eyes only, you'd think Checkov would have remembered the guy who tried to take over the Enterprise and start a war.

He wasn't on the Enterprise in the original Khan episode. In an interview, Walter Koenig explained that there was a point in WOK when Chekhov "remembers" Khan, but Koenig didn't want to get written out of the movie, so he didn't bring it up.


Have to rewatch TOS episode, forgot Checkov wasn't in it. I was thinking about WoK when Checkov recognizes Khan right away. He probably would have been told the story by one of his shipmates at some point.

"So this one time we found this ship full of frozen super villains..."
 
2017-10-03 05:18:40 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Mugato: Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

There is no proof that life exists outside of Earth. Even if you assume life there's no reason to think intelligence is common. Even if you assume intelligence there's no reason to assume technology is common. SETI is searching for signs of advanced  technological Civilization and if the nearest technologically advanced alien life is three galaxies away then SETI is unlikely to detect it.


There's also no proof that life isn't super common. We have no basis to argue one way or the other as we've only been looking for a few years and haven't gathered enough evidence to even guess. We can't even say with certainty that there's not life on other planets or moons in the solar system.
 
2017-10-03 06:17:44 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Mugato: Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.

There is no proof that life exists outside of Earth. Even if you assume life there's no reason to think intelligence is common. Even if you assume intelligence there's no reason to assume technology is common. SETI is searching for signs of advanced  technological Civilization and if the nearest technologically advanced alien life is three galaxies away then SETI is unlikely to detect it.


The number of galaxies, not planets but galaxies out there might as well be infinite as far as we know. There's almost a zero chance that there isn't intelligent life out there. Did they break the light speed barrier and make it within our scope of perception? That's a different story.
 
2017-10-03 06:20:26 PM  
No we won't.  I'll bet everyone a cup of coffee, too.
 
2017-10-03 07:35:36 PM  
Life, or something similar, is probably fairly common. Human-level intelligent life is almost certainly vanishingly rare.
 
2017-10-03 08:17:24 PM  
Do we still get a research lab in every city?
 
2017-10-03 09:39:18 PM  

give me doughnuts: And fusion power-plants are just 10 years away. Same as they have been for the past 40 years.


Fusion power-plants will actually be only 10 years away when we run out of oil or get so low that the petroleum industry collapses.  Till then the kidnapping of children or breaking of knees will continue.
 
2017-10-03 09:43:50 PM  
This is probably to be expected at some point. People are going to just say, "Meh...it's about time." Please don't let it be Vega.
 
2017-10-03 10:36:19 PM  
We're not talking to anyone out there while we're still made out of meat.
 
2017-10-03 10:57:06 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Life, or something similar, is probably fairly common. Human-level intelligent life is almost certainly vanishingly rare.


Including on Earth.

/try the veal, here all week etc
 
2017-10-03 11:31:46 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: Makh: We have been searching with roughly the same detection methods for 50 years and counting.  So even by our own definition we can find intelligent life that is easily 50 or more years advanced than us.

On the other hand, to use an analogy I've heard SETI scientists use before, we've done the equivalent of searching a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean.  It's not surprising that we didn't catch a fish.


What if you had two girls with the one cup?
 
2017-10-04 10:18:50 AM  

Gleeman: Chompachangas: You used to be able to assist SETI by using your home pc to analyze their data. It would download the data and analyze the software only when your pc idles. Called BOINC. Further reading here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu

Huh, totally forgot I used to run SETI @ Home on my old PC.


Are the top crunchers still IT pros who run it on all their company's computers?


Not sure anymore. I forgot about it until I saw this article.
 
2017-10-04 05:39:48 PM  
FTA: "In the Milky Way there are an estimated 100,000 million stars and 100 billion planets..."

So, one planet per star?
 
2017-10-04 08:55:08 PM  

Mugato: Voiceofreason01: For SETI to detect alien life they would need to be at least as technologically advanced as we are now and so far we have no evidence that any life, even very simple single celled life, exists anywhere but Earth.

No evidence because the universe is so vast but it's a virtual impossibility that there isn't intelligent life out there somewhere.


I think this Universe is a simulation.  If so, it's got to be pretty energy intensive.  That means it's really, really expensive.  Thinking like a human, it really doesn't make sense to duplicate an entire planet unless there's a compelling reason to do so.  In other words, a likely military application.  That said, if we are a simulation of real human beings in a Universe separate than ours, those running the simulation are our ancestors, they are our enemies.

And once you understand that, this farked up world makes much more sense.
 
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