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(The Daily Beast)   Over 10M Americans saw the Russian ads that helped swing the election   ( thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2017-10-03 08:55:36 AM  
The Russian ads didn't swing the election, subby.  Voter stupidity and gullibility, combined with a pinch of sexism and racism swung the election.
 
2017-10-03 09:01:08 AM  
Sounds like the start of an argument to have mandatory ad blockers on all browsers...
 
2017-10-03 09:03:18 AM  

GooberMcFly: The Russian ads didn't swing the election, subby.  Voter stupidity and gullibility, combined with a pinch of sexism and racism swung the election.


right, so the ads swung it.

being stupid and gullible is the opportunity, the ads were the mechanism to alter the mind.
 
2017-10-03 09:03:18 AM  
Ad agencies nationwide are struggling with how to spin this into their next "advertising works" campaign.
 
2017-10-03 09:45:28 AM  
If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.
 
2017-10-03 09:48:21 AM  

Destructor: If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.


If all you can do is diminish to the ridiculous, then you are a failed experiment.
 
2017-10-03 10:04:59 AM  

Urmuf Hamer: Destructor: If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.

If all you can do is diminish to the ridiculous, then you are a failed experiment.


I can do more than that. But this is the proposition of the title argument, is it not? That "Russia influenced the election". Big deal. The local restaurant has more influence over me with coupons.

The modern theory is that advertising buys votes. For that to be true, you have to consider that your average American is a vapid boob incapable of critical thinking and being sucked right into whatever the glitziest ad of the moment is.

Strictly speaking, democracy is indeed working, but poorly. The idea is that people will at least vote in their own self interests. Ideally, they would vote in the best interests of the country at large. But if you buy into the idea that all it takes is a good advertising campaign, then they're voting for the shiniest thing they're told to vote for. Is that democracy "working"?
 
2017-10-03 10:15:16 AM  
I see we've moved on from "Russians didn't do anything" to "It doesn't matter that they did because we are dumb".
 
2017-10-03 10:23:44 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2017-10-03 10:26:43 AM  

Destructor: Urmuf Hamer: Destructor: If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.

If all you can do is diminish to the ridiculous, then you are a failed experiment.

I can do more than that. But this is the proposition of the title argument, is it not? That "Russia influenced the election". Big deal. The local restaurant has more influence over me with coupons.

The modern theory is that advertising buys votes. For that to be true, you have to consider that your average American is a vapid boob incapable of critical thinking and being sucked right into whatever the glitziest ad of the moment is.

Strictly speaking, democracy is indeed working, but poorly. The idea is that people will at least vote in their own self interests. Ideally, they would vote in the best interests of the country at large. But if you buy into the idea that all it takes is a good advertising campaign, then they're voting for the shiniest thing they're told to vote for. Is that democracy "working"?


...It's like you never watched Mad Men....
/that's okay, I didn't finish it :-)
 
2017-10-03 10:39:52 AM  

Destructor: If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.


Then America failed around 50 years ago...
img.fark.net
 
2017-10-03 10:44:52 AM  

GooberMcFly: The Russian ads didn't swing the election, subby.  Voter stupidity and gullibility, combined with a pinch of sexism and racism swung the election.


Advertising doesn't work, eh? Spread the news .
 
2017-10-03 10:45:15 AM  

Destructor: If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.


Willie Horton and Daisy are on the line for you
 
2017-10-03 10:45:53 AM  
But two weeks ago it was only 3,0000 people... My how things change.
 
2017-10-03 10:46:19 AM  
I 'd like to know which states' machines were fiddled with.
 
2017-10-03 10:47:35 AM  
Hillary and the Democrats should never have allowed the election to be close enough for this to even be possible. But keep blaming everyone else
 
2017-10-03 10:47:53 AM  

GooberMcFly: The Russian ads didn't swing the election, subby.  Voter stupidity and gullibility, combined with a pinch of sexism and racism swung the election.


Yeah they just had to tell them what they already believe. That's part of the reason that nazis thought it would be ok to come out of their holes, they were supplied a false sense of support and numbers.
 
2017-10-03 10:48:02 AM  
Well when ads destroy enough credibility in facts that trump can win....
 
2017-10-03 10:49:34 AM  

Destructor: If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.


Yeah if advertising worked so well you'd think we'd see more of it or something.

Now if you'll excuse me I'll be in my SuperPAC.
 
2017-10-03 10:49:45 AM  
Okay, ten million.  We got about five hundred million people in the US, so ten million into that is....approximately five percent in total.

This is like the ads that keep saying "thousands of people in this county suffer from restless leg syndrome" and you think "wow that's a lot" and then you realize it really isn't and that drug you got for it just makes you more horny.
 
2017-10-03 10:50:20 AM  
img.fark.net

I guess the murderous dictator thought his little plan through.
 
2017-10-03 10:50:38 AM  
This country is a mess.
 
2017-10-03 10:50:41 AM  
Part of me is angry with all this shiat simply because it's giving the hateful, stupid backwards motherfarkers an out. They can claim they were taken as part of this coordinated campaign and fooled into voting the way they did and not the fact that his vile atavistic bullshiat sounded appealing to them.
 
2017-10-03 10:51:28 AM  

rjakobi: Okay, ten million.  We got about five hundred million people in the US, so ten million into that is....approximately five percent in total.

This is like the ads that keep saying "thousands of people in this county suffer from restless leg syndrome" and you think "wow that's a lot" and then you realize it really isn't and that drug you got for it just makes you more horny.


You might want to examine how many people actually voted. And what ads they viewed. And how viewing those ads affected their vote.
 
2017-10-03 10:53:13 AM  
I have a purely pessimistic view of these findings.  If our population is this stupid, we are already screwed. The level of ignorance required to believe this shiat precludes retrospective awareness that one has been duped.
 
2017-10-03 10:53:52 AM  

raerae1980: Destructor: Urmuf Hamer: Destructor: If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.

If all you can do is diminish to the ridiculous, then you are a failed experiment.

I can do more than that. But this is the proposition of the title argument, is it not? That "Russia influenced the election". Big deal. The local restaurant has more influence over me with coupons.

The modern theory is that advertising buys votes. For that to be true, you have to consider that your average American is a vapid boob incapable of critical thinking and being sucked right into whatever the glitziest ad of the moment is.

Strictly speaking, democracy is indeed working, but poorly. The idea is that people will at least vote in their own self interests. Ideally, they would vote in the best interests of the country at large. But if you buy into the idea that all it takes is a good advertising campaign, then they're voting for the shiniest thing they're told to vote for. Is that democracy "working"?

...It's like you never watched Mad Men....
/that's okay, I didn't finish it :-)


I stopped somewhere in season 3. Same with OitNB. Just couldn't find it compelling after the first two seasons
 
2017-10-03 10:54:26 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rjakobi: Okay, ten million.  We got about five hundred million people in the US, so ten million into that is....approximately five percent in total.

This is like the ads that keep saying "thousands of people in this county suffer from restless leg syndrome" and you think "wow that's a lot" and then you realize it really isn't and that drug you got for it just makes you more horny.

You might want to examine how many people actually voted. And what ads they viewed. And how viewing those ads affected their vote.


Uh, and reexamine the U.S. population while he's at it.  Only off by about 175 million people.
 
2017-10-03 10:55:41 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: But two weeks ago it was only 3,0000 people... My how things change.


it was 3,000 ads, not people
 
2017-10-03 10:55:46 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Hillary and the Democrats should never have allowed the election to be close enough for this to even be possible. But keep blaming everyone else


I wondered how fast this would be Hillary's fault.
 
2017-10-03 10:56:04 AM  

Dr. Locrian: I have a purely pessimistic view of these findings.  If our population is this stupid, we are already screwed. The level of ignorance required to believe this shiat precludes retrospective awareness that one has been duped.


Well let's be honest.  Most of the people accepting fake news grew up in the era of network news and Walter Cronkite, so they think all news is actually news.  A generation perfectly primed for Fox News and Putin.
 
2017-10-03 10:56:32 AM  
Zuckerberg met with conservative pundits last year to "open up" news feeds to conservative (fake) stories.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/18/media/facebook-conservative-leaders-m​e​eting/index.html

Facebook's algorithms had no problems filtering out fake news before this treasonous little meeting.

Zuckerberg should given a fair trial and then hanged.
 
2017-10-03 10:57:11 AM  

somedude210: raerae1980: Destructor: Urmuf Hamer: Destructor: If all it takes to win elections is effective advertising, America is a failed experiment.

If all you can do is diminish to the ridiculous, then you are a failed experiment.

I can do more than that. But this is the proposition of the title argument, is it not? That "Russia influenced the election". Big deal. The local restaurant has more influence over me with coupons.

The modern theory is that advertising buys votes. For that to be true, you have to consider that your average American is a vapid boob incapable of critical thinking and being sucked right into whatever the glitziest ad of the moment is.

Strictly speaking, democracy is indeed working, but poorly. The idea is that people will at least vote in their own self interests. Ideally, they would vote in the best interests of the country at large. But if you buy into the idea that all it takes is a good advertising campaign, then they're voting for the shiniest thing they're told to vote for. Is that democracy "working"?

...It's like you never watched Mad Men....
/that's okay, I didn't finish it :-)

I stopped somewhere in season 3. Same with OitNB. Just couldn't find it compelling after the first two seasons


That's interesting.  I and the wife were totally into OitNB until this season.  We haven't even started watching it.  We just feel meh about it and don't really know why.
 
2017-10-03 10:57:13 AM  

somedude210: GooberMcFly: The Russian ads didn't swing the election, subby.  Voter stupidity and gullibility, combined with a pinch of sexism and racism swung the election.

right, so the ads swung it.

being stupid and gullible is the opportunity, the ads were the mechanism to alter the mind.


THIS
 
2017-10-03 10:57:28 AM  
"See, guys? I wasn't the only guy who helped Trump with his web site!"
 
2017-10-03 10:57:42 AM  

imaconnect4guy: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: rjakobi: Okay, ten million.  We got about five hundred million people in the US, so ten million into that is....approximately five percent in total.

This is like the ads that keep saying "thousands of people in this county suffer from restless leg syndrome" and you think "wow that's a lot" and then you realize it really isn't and that drug you got for it just makes you more horny.

You might want to examine how many people actually voted. And what ads they viewed. And how viewing those ads affected their vote.

Uh, and reexamine the U.S. population while he's at it.  Only off by about 175 million people.


Low information voters, Jesus.
 
2017-10-03 10:58:10 AM  

somedude210: GooberMcFly: The Russian ads didn't swing the election, subby.  Voter stupidity and gullibility, combined with a pinch of sexism and racism swung the election.

right, so the ads swung it.

being stupid and gullible is the opportunity, the ads were the mechanism to alter the mind.


It is by ad alone I set my vote in motion.
It is by the juice of Facebook
That memes acquire speed,
The links acquire likes,
The likes become a warning.
It is by ad alone I set my vote in motion.
 
2017-10-03 10:58:33 AM  

Riothamus: Zuckerberg should given a fair trial and then hanged.


You have the most curious definition of a fair trial
 
2017-10-03 10:58:43 AM  

GooberMcFly: The Russian ads didn't swing the election, subby.  Voter stupidity and gullibility, combined with a pinch of sexism and racism swung the election.

Agreed..... and add a dose of gerrymandering......and emotional insecurity.
.....All are a....... a conman's dream.

 
2017-10-03 10:59:13 AM  
I really do want to see what the ad content was. I'm expecting two varieties:

1. Donald Trump is the only candidate if you want to Make America Great Again, because Hillary Clinton is a lefty libby-lib liberal who libs while she libs ('cause we heard she likes libbing.)

2. Hillary Clinton is a warmongering, Wall-Street-owned ailing harpy who No True Progressive would vote for.

And I'm expecting equal amounts of both.
 
2017-10-03 10:59:27 AM  
ITT: People blame three million dollars in Russian advertising for the defeat of a woman who spent 600 million dollars on her campaign.

Mind you, I am a hyperviolent white male born into a life of extreme privilege, so you can trust my opinion is important.
 
2017-10-03 10:59:41 AM  

someonelse: ElwoodCuse: Hillary and the Democrats should never have allowed the election to be close enough for this to even be possible. But keep blaming everyone else

I wondered how fast this would be Hillary's fault.


Well this is basically the go to argument for trolls who want to get into the game with an absolute bare minimum of effort.
 
2017-10-03 11:00:22 AM  

Sasquatchuan: Riothamus: Zuckerberg should given a fair trial and then hanged.

You have the most curious definition of a fair trial


I dunno, I think we should just kill all the sociopaths, and that would be one down.

Killing all the sociopaths in cold blood is the only way to save human empathy.
 
2017-10-03 11:01:07 AM  
So much for Facebook having integrity. The company was never interested in connecting people with each other. It has always been about monetizing their users to companies for profit.

/Knew it was time to quit Facebook when they made it open for everybody instead of college students
 
2017-10-03 11:01:18 AM  

Sasquatchuan: Riothamus: Zuckerberg should given a fair trial and then hanged.

You have the most curious definition of a fair trial


Traitors can still get fair trials even if the outcome is obvious to all involved. Overwhelming evidence will do that.
 
2017-10-03 11:01:22 AM  

FortyHams: I see we've moved on from "Russians didn't do anything" to "It doesn't matter that they did because we are dumb".


img.fark.net
 
2017-10-03 11:01:29 AM  
With gerrymandering, Russian facebots, Russian-hacked voting machines, Comey's well-timed October surprise, voter purges and suppression, and tons of free press for the colorful Mr. T, that was the most corrupt election since Idi Amin.  The Republicans should be so proud of their deflated balls and loaded dice.
 
2017-10-03 11:03:07 AM  

rjakobi: Okay, ten million.  We got about five hundred million people in the US, so ten million into that is....approximately five percent in total.

This is like the ads that keep saying "thousands of people in this county suffer from restless leg syndrome" and you think "wow that's a lot" and then you realize it really isn't and that drug you got for it just makes you more horny.


the election was decided by a few thousand in specific districts. Targeted advertising to people living in those districts likely helped swing the election because the ads did

a) reinforced previously held convictions that were "under threat" by the other side.

b) depressed opposition turn out by either claiming their preferred candidate had it in the bag and weren't needed, or that their preferred candidate was so undeniably awful, they were second only to Hitler

or c) misled readers by providing false or misleading information that would cloud a person's knowledge of something (such as when election day is)

there are more ways ads could affect a targeted group, but those are some that almost assuredly happened
 
2017-10-03 11:03:16 AM  

GooberMcFly: The Russian ads didn't swing the election, subby.  Voter stupidity and gullibility, combined with a pinch of sexism and racism swung the election.

But 10M hits of Black Propaganda® does. Military grade. War is 90% deception.
 
2017-10-03 11:03:36 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Hillary and the Democrats should never have allowed the election to be close enough for this to even be possible. But keep blaming everyone else


My God, that sentiment misses the point entirely.   A foreign government attempted to,  and most likely did,  influence our election to some degree.   The extent of that influence will likely never be truly known.

We need to take steps to ensure that doesn't happen again.   How that happens,  or if it is even possible is beyond my limited knowledge,  but I'm pretty sure we should at least be talking toabout ways to mitigate/eliminate it openly and honestly.

What if Putin's next step is to attempt to influence lower elections in favor of democrats just to fark with us even further?  Would you take the threat seriously then?
 
2017-10-03 11:03:40 AM  
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