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2017-10-03 06:00:09 AM  
I remember that. My brother and I were watching and we just looked at each other like WTF?
 
2017-10-03 06:52:48 AM  
Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.
 
2017-10-03 08:26:54 AM  
And the hand-wringing pearl clutching response was stupid then and remains stupid still. She tore up a piece of paper and crybabies all over the world whined and carried on as she had murdered puppies.
 
2017-10-03 08:44:03 AM  
I remember that.
I stood up and applauded.
 
2017-10-03 08:51:18 AM  

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


It was a bad way to protest... with the whole Ireland terrorism and killing and whatnot, she came across as a Protestant making a hateful anti-Catholic statement (even though that was nowhere near her point or matched her background). By the time she made a statement explaining why she tore the photo, people had made up their minds about her being a biatch and didn't listen to anything she had to say. The few that did listen included tons that didn't or couldn't believe the abuse she talked about was real. So now she's left with only a handful of people still listening. That's a failed protest if you can't keep people listening and asking questions. It also became all about her and she was a woman who looked like a weirdo by shaving her head and flaunting gender roles that require girls to have long hair. So there went another group of people who won't listen to her because she may be a lesbian. She was protesting something that needed attention but did it in the dumbest way possible.
 
2017-10-03 08:54:19 AM  
She warned us and we mocked her.

Joe Pesci threatened to smack her to raucous laughter and applause.

I wonder how many people laughing and applauding had a relative who was being molested by a priest.
 
2017-10-03 08:56:38 AM  
One picture?.

Not impressed
The Matthew Herbert Big Band - Simple Mind
Youtube PQXWNnY0wG8
 
2017-10-03 08:57:32 AM  
...and off to obscurity she went.
 
2017-10-03 08:59:41 AM  
She was mocked but she was right.
 
2017-10-03 09:00:46 AM  

gshepnyc: She was mocked but she was right.


Yeah she could have explained herself better
 
2017-10-03 09:01:05 AM  
It was bold statement
 
2017-10-03 09:05:21 AM  
That was an odd gesture.

Mostly because without the Catholic Church, there wouldn't be any strong female musicians around today.
 
2017-10-03 09:08:20 AM  
She has entire subscriptions. Poor, talented, broken thing. Wiki says she spent time in a Magdalene asylum. That's some pretty farked up stuff right there.
 
2017-10-03 09:15:00 AM  
She was right and her mainstream career was destroyed because people didn't want to see the truth.
 
2017-10-03 09:16:42 AM  
She was right.
 
2017-10-03 09:18:08 AM  

killro: That was an odd gesture.

Mostly because without the Catholic Church, there wouldn't be any strong female musicians around today.


"Dominique" doesn't count.
 
2017-10-03 09:27:09 AM  
I think what she did was heroic. Particularly so, if you consider the consequences. The heat she took for that was incredible.
 
2017-10-03 09:32:53 AM  
I'm thinkin' "Cue ball, in the corner pocket!"
 
2017-10-03 09:32:56 AM  
Roger Waters & Sinead O'Connor Mother
Youtube 4bMCCPubHhI
I will always love her for this.
 
2017-10-03 09:39:48 AM  
Dolly's a fan.

Sinead O'Connor - Dagger Through the Heart - Dolly Parton Cover Song.
Youtube fgYTnLA54UQ
 
2017-10-03 09:41:01 AM  

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


The Catholic Church owes her an apology.  It isn't a sin to insult the Pope as he's just a man, and she was F*CKING RIGHT.  She's fallen off the deep end of mental illness, her kids aren't in her custody, and she's suffering to this day very publicly.  The least they could do is admit they let the world trash her for calling them out for crimes they absolutely and deliberately covered up.
 
2017-10-03 09:41:32 AM  
I saw it that night, too.  It literally took my breath away.  I just remember how much hurt and defiance and anger she projected, and my only thought was, "Dear God, what has she seen to do something like that?"
 
2017-10-03 09:46:04 AM  

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


I was born in 72 and raised Catholic. I thought everybody knew priests did that.
 
2017-10-03 09:46:19 AM  
I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.
 
2017-10-03 09:47:57 AM  

deanis: I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.


I'd work for Trump to make her kind of money (and her kind, isn't that large)

And working for Trump is worse than anything else I could do, save eating a babby or something.
 
2017-10-03 09:48:19 AM  

loki see loki do: She has entire subscriptions. Poor, talented, broken thing. Wiki says she spent time in a Magdalene asylum. That's some pretty farked up stuff right there.


As someone whose birth mother narrowly avoided the laundry houses not once, but twice, that gives me cold chills
 
2017-10-03 09:48:25 AM  
25 years ago I was young and busy skateboarding and climbing up and down drug mountain, so I didn't pay this much attention. In this day and age my opinion on 'offended Christians' is that they can go fark themselves. It was true prior to the election of domalt trumpt, but his election proved it beyond a doubt that American Christians are a group of hypocritical, money grubbing pieces of shiat. Their offense or support of anything these days is always tempered by the fact that if they cant follow the simple tenets of the guy they're named after why should their opinion as followers of that guy matter for shiat?
 
2017-10-03 09:56:30 AM  

ArthurVandelay: deanis: I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.

I'd work for Trump to make her kind of money (and her kind, isn't that large)

And working for Trump is worse than anything else I could do, save eating a babby or something.


Wrong thread?
 
2017-10-03 10:02:46 AM  

LewDux: It was bold bald statement


FTFY
 
2017-10-03 10:04:03 AM  

deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.

I'd work for Trump to make her kind of money (and her kind, isn't that large)

And working for Trump is worse than anything else I could do, save eating a babby or something.

Wrong thread?


Nah, just dot think ripping/burning the constitution would not be too shocking.

Need to care about what is being destroyed, and not too many Americans care about that "piece of paper"
 
2017-10-03 10:14:52 AM  
She was vilified, yet she was correct.
 
2017-10-03 10:15:03 AM  
Haw haw, remember how crazy Sinead O'Connor was, she shaved her head and said child molesting is bad. Haw haw, what a crazy loon, haw haw!
 
2017-10-03 10:17:08 AM  

ArthurVandelay: deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.

I'd work for Trump to make her kind of money (and her kind, isn't that large)

And working for Trump is worse than anything else I could do, save eating a babby or something.

Wrong thread?

Nah, just dot think ripping/burning the constitution would not be too shocking.

Need to care about what is being destroyed, and not too many Americans care about that "piece of paper"


What does working for Trump have to do with anything?
 
2017-10-03 10:32:20 AM  

deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.

I'd work for Trump to make her kind of money (and her kind, isn't that large)

And working for Trump is worse than anything else I could do, save eating a babby or something.

Wrong thread?

Nah, just dot think ripping/burning the constitution would not be too shocking.

Need to care about what is being destroyed, and not too many Americans care about that "piece of paper"

What does working for Trump have to do with anything?


1) I need a job
2) He sucks more than the pope did

If he wanted to hire me:

1) I would accept it, because $$$
2) He sucks more than the pope did
3) More shocking than me ripping up the constitution
 
2017-10-03 10:35:02 AM  

twistedknickers: And the hand-wringing pearl clutching response was stupid then and remains stupid still. She tore up a piece of paper and crybabies all over the world whined and carried on as she had murdered puppies.


Those folks must've missed the Bible lesson on making graven images. I'm pretty sure it's one of the more important lessons of the book, like it belongs on a Top-10 list somewhere in the Bible.
 
2017-10-03 10:41:42 AM  

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


Plenty of people believed it.
 
2017-10-03 10:44:23 AM  

ArthurVandelay: deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.

I'd work for Trump to make her kind of money (and her kind, isn't that large)

And working for Trump is worse than anything else I could do, save eating a babby or something.

Wrong thread?

Nah, just dot think ripping/burning the constitution would not be too shocking.

Need to care about what is being destroyed, and not too many Americans care about that "piece of paper"

What does working for Trump have to do with anything?

1) I need a job
2) He sucks more than the pope did

If he wanted to hire me:

1) I would accept it, because $$$
2) He sucks more than the pope did
3) More shocking than me ripping up the constitution


oh, ok
 
2017-10-03 10:44:57 AM  

kbronsito: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

It was a bad way to protest... with the whole Ireland terrorism and killing and whatnot, she came across as a Protestant making a hateful anti-Catholic statement (even though that was nowhere near her point or matched her background). By the time she made a statement explaining why she tore the photo, people had made up their minds about her being a biatch and didn't listen to anything she had to say. The few that did listen included tons that didn't or couldn't believe the abuse she talked about was real. So now she's left with only a handful of people still listening. That's a failed protest if you can't keep people listening and asking questions. It also became all about her and she was a woman who looked like a weirdo by shaving her head and flaunting gender roles that require girls to have long hair. So there went another group of people who won't listen to her because she may be a lesbian. She was protesting something that needed attention but did it in the dumbest way possible.


You don't seem to understand the idea of protest. It's not supposed to be something you're comfortable with. It's supposed to get your attention. And you don't get to tell other people which protests are ok and which ones are not.
 
2017-10-03 10:47:53 AM  

deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.

I'd work for Trump to make her kind of money (and her kind, isn't that large)

And working for Trump is worse than anything else I could do, save eating a babby or something.

Wrong thread?

Nah, just dot think ripping/burning the constitution would not be too shocking.

Need to care about what is being destroyed, and not too many Americans care about that "piece of paper"

What does working for Trump have to do with anything?

1) I need a job
2) He sucks more than the pope did

If he wanted to hire me:

1) I would accept it, because $$$
2) He sucks more than the pope did
3) More shocking than me ripping up the constitution

oh, ok


Glad that was settled, I was just adding my own red herring to the argument ;)

(Ripping up the constitution, and/or burning a flag does not equal pointing out child abuse...)
 
2017-10-03 10:55:27 AM  

mcmnky: kbronsito: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

It was a bad way to protest... with the whole Ireland terrorism and killing and whatnot, she came across as a Protestant making a hateful anti-Catholic statement (even though that was nowhere near her point or matched her background). By the time she made a statement explaining why she tore the photo, people had made up their minds about her being a biatch and didn't listen to anything she had to say. The few that did listen included tons that didn't or couldn't believe the abuse she talked about was real. So now she's left with only a handful of people still listening. That's a failed protest if you can't keep people listening and asking questions. It also became all about her and she was a woman who looked like a weirdo by shaving her head and flaunting gender roles that require girls to have long hair. So there went another group of people who won't listen to her because she may be a lesbian. She was protesting something that needed attention but did it in the dumbest way possible.

You don't seem to understand the idea of protest. It's not supposed to be something you're comfortable with. It's supposed to get your attention. And you don't get to tell other people which protests are ok and which ones are not.


^^^
 
2017-10-03 11:03:05 AM  
She was right.

As was Muhammed Ali. As were The Dixie Chicks.  And yet we vilify them for standing up for what they believe.

Hey, Colin Kaepernick....  What's new?
 
2017-10-03 11:05:59 AM  

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


I didn't question it for a second.
 
2017-10-03 11:08:19 AM  

mjbok: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

I was born in 72 and raised Catholic. I thought everybody knew priests did that.


Wrong tense.
 
2017-10-03 11:08:42 AM  

Snapper Carr: She warned us and we mocked her.

Joe Pesci threatened to smack her to raucous laughter and applause.

I wonder how many people laughing and applauding had a relative who was being molested by a priest.


No, she didn't.

She was doing a cover of Bob Marelys "War". She produced a photo and said "Fight the real enemy" and tore up a picture of the Pope.

Everyone thought, and rightfully so, she was accusing Pope John Paul II of making things worse in Ireland. Which for all his faults, was Steadfastly against Catholics participating in the violence in "The Troubles. Catholics were rightly pissed.

The press release afterwards seemed like a cop out. Stories were already coming out about the abuse of children by the priesthood.

And I'm saying this as a former Catholic now Atheist.
 
2017-10-03 11:18:07 AM  

Dragonflew: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

I didn't question it for a second.


I would say that the coverage of it was brilliant (for the Church) because I didn't know until years later the reason she did it.  Now I was just a young teen but plenty of adults just thought it was her having a hissy.

Darth_Lukecash: The press release afterwards seemed like a cop out. Stories were already coming out about the abuse of children by the priesthood.


So you're saying that it had nothing to do with child abuse, but the Troubles?  Huh.
 
2017-10-03 11:20:33 AM  

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


It's spelled "pedo". And maybe even a broken kook is right twice a day.
 
2017-10-03 11:44:21 AM  

mcmnky: kbronsito: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

It was a bad way to protest... with the whole Ireland terrorism and killing and whatnot, she came across as a Protestant making a hateful anti-Catholic statement (even though that was nowhere near her point or matched her background). By the time she made a statement explaining why she tore the photo, people had made up their minds about her being a biatch and didn't listen to anything she had to say. The few that did listen included tons that didn't or couldn't believe the abuse she talked about was real. So now she's left with only a handful of people still listening. That's a failed protest if you can't keep people listening and asking questions. It also became all about her and she was a woman who looked like a weirdo by shaving her head and flaunting gender roles that require girls to have long hair. So there went another group of people who won't listen to her because she may be a lesbian. She was protesting something that needed attention but did it in the dumbest way possible.

You don't seem to understand the idea of protest. It's not supposed to be something you're comfortable with. It's supposed to get your attention. And you don't get to tell other people which protests are ok and which ones are not.


But protest doesn't do you any good if people don't know what your protesting.
Tearing up a picture of the pope with no context? As an artist the US hardly even knew?
Not surprising how she was treated.
 
2017-10-03 11:48:16 AM  

factoryconnection: Dragonflew: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

I didn't question it for a second.

I would say that the coverage of it was brilliant (for the Church) because I didn't know until years later the reason she did it.  Now I was just a young teen but plenty of adults just thought it was her having a hissy.

Darth_Lukecash: The press release afterwards seemed like a cop out. Stories were already coming out about the abuse of children by the priesthood.

So you're saying that it had nothing to do with child abuse, but the Troubles?  Huh.


There really wasn't any other way to read it.

You do a song called war.

Then you say "Fight the real enemy"

Then you tear up a picture of the religious  leader of one factions.

What other conclusion could you make at the time? It's not an unreasonable assumption.

That is what everyone was talking about in my town. No one I knew ever made the connection to child abuse. (Half the kids in my school were Irish Catholic, the other half German Catholics. Catholic school,?of course in a largely Protestant town.)

At the time she say, "Fight child abuse?" Did she say "The church has been hiding a dark secrets"?  Had she said it at the time, I think it would have gone better for her.

I remember weeks later she was booed off of the stage during Bob Dylan's 30th Anniversary Concert.
 
2017-10-03 11:56:11 AM  
25 years ago today Sinehead became a pariah for pointing out an uncomfortable truth.

static.seattletimes.comView Full Size
 
2017-10-03 11:56:50 AM  
Came here for Saturday Night Live skit.

I think I'm leaving disappointed.

/Sine-Aid
//Sinbad
///Cue Ball!!!
 
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