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(Wikipedia)   25 years ago today Sinéad O'Connor tore things up on stage on Saturday Night Live   ( en.m.wikipedia.org) divider line
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2017-10-03 06:52:48 AM  
34 votes:
Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.
2017-10-03 08:26:54 AM  
19 votes:
And the hand-wringing pearl clutching response was stupid then and remains stupid still. She tore up a piece of paper and crybabies all over the world whined and carried on as she had murdered puppies.
2017-10-03 08:54:19 AM  
16 votes:
She warned us and we mocked her.

Joe Pesci threatened to smack her to raucous laughter and applause.

I wonder how many people laughing and applauding had a relative who was being molested by a priest.
2017-10-03 09:41:01 AM  
14 votes:

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


The Catholic Church owes her an apology.  It isn't a sin to insult the Pope as he's just a man, and she was F*CKING RIGHT.  She's fallen off the deep end of mental illness, her kids aren't in her custody, and she's suffering to this day very publicly.  The least they could do is admit they let the world trash her for calling them out for crimes they absolutely and deliberately covered up.
2017-10-03 08:59:41 AM  
13 votes:
She was mocked but she was right.
2017-10-03 08:44:03 AM  
12 votes:
I remember that.
I stood up and applauded.
2017-10-03 11:03:05 AM  
10 votes:
She was right.

As was Muhammed Ali. As were The Dixie Chicks.  And yet we vilify them for standing up for what they believe.

Hey, Colin Kaepernick....  What's new?
2017-10-03 08:51:18 AM  
9 votes:

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


It was a bad way to protest... with the whole Ireland terrorism and killing and whatnot, she came across as a Protestant making a hateful anti-Catholic statement (even though that was nowhere near her point or matched her background). By the time she made a statement explaining why she tore the photo, people had made up their minds about her being a biatch and didn't listen to anything she had to say. The few that did listen included tons that didn't or couldn't believe the abuse she talked about was real. So now she's left with only a handful of people still listening. That's a failed protest if you can't keep people listening and asking questions. It also became all about her and she was a woman who looked like a weirdo by shaving her head and flaunting gender roles that require girls to have long hair. So there went another group of people who won't listen to her because she may be a lesbian. She was protesting something that needed attention but did it in the dumbest way possible.
2017-10-03 10:44:57 AM  
8 votes:

kbronsito: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

It was a bad way to protest... with the whole Ireland terrorism and killing and whatnot, she came across as a Protestant making a hateful anti-Catholic statement (even though that was nowhere near her point or matched her background). By the time she made a statement explaining why she tore the photo, people had made up their minds about her being a biatch and didn't listen to anything she had to say. The few that did listen included tons that didn't or couldn't believe the abuse she talked about was real. So now she's left with only a handful of people still listening. That's a failed protest if you can't keep people listening and asking questions. It also became all about her and she was a woman who looked like a weirdo by shaving her head and flaunting gender roles that require girls to have long hair. So there went another group of people who won't listen to her because she may be a lesbian. She was protesting something that needed attention but did it in the dumbest way possible.


You don't seem to understand the idea of protest. It's not supposed to be something you're comfortable with. It's supposed to get your attention. And you don't get to tell other people which protests are ok and which ones are not.
2017-10-03 09:46:04 AM  
7 votes:

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


I was born in 72 and raised Catholic. I thought everybody knew priests did that.
2017-10-03 02:50:28 PM  
6 votes:
And the child abuse apologists show here up to sneer at her 25 years later.

What is the motivation for that?
2017-10-03 09:27:09 AM  
6 votes:
I think what she did was heroic. Particularly so, if you consider the consequences. The heat she took for that was incredible.
2017-10-03 09:16:42 AM  
6 votes:
She was right.
2017-10-03 09:15:00 AM  
6 votes:
She was right and her mainstream career was destroyed because people didn't want to see the truth.
2017-10-03 03:09:33 PM  
5 votes:

loki see loki do: But she is also biatching about the English and the farking Roman Empire.
Just like Ethiopia.
She's pretty farked up even then, conspiracy theory kind of stuff.


"The cause of my abuse is the history of my people, whose identity and culture were taken away from them by the British with full permission from The "Holy" Roman Empire" October 1992. Hardly conspiracy theory
2017-10-03 11:56:11 AM  
5 votes:
25 years ago today Sinehead became a pariah for pointing out an uncomfortable truth.

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2017-10-03 09:48:25 AM  
5 votes:
25 years ago I was young and busy skateboarding and climbing up and down drug mountain, so I didn't pay this much attention. In this day and age my opinion on 'offended Christians' is that they can go fark themselves. It was true prior to the election of domalt trumpt, but his election proved it beyond a doubt that American Christians are a group of hypocritical, money grubbing pieces of shiat. Their offense or support of anything these days is always tempered by the fact that if they cant follow the simple tenets of the guy they're named after why should their opinion as followers of that guy matter for shiat?
2017-10-03 09:42:34 PM  
4 votes:

loki see loki do: But she is also biatching about the English and the farking Roman Empire.
Just like Ethiopia.
She's pretty farked up even then, conspiracy theory kind of stuff.


You do realize the English were actually oppressing the Irish right? They were using the black and tans to do state sponsored terrorism, rape, and general thuggery, while the Orangemen were terrorists with the tacit approval of the British.
2017-10-03 11:44:21 AM  
4 votes:

mcmnky: kbronsito: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

It was a bad way to protest... with the whole Ireland terrorism and killing and whatnot, she came across as a Protestant making a hateful anti-Catholic statement (even though that was nowhere near her point or matched her background). By the time she made a statement explaining why she tore the photo, people had made up their minds about her being a biatch and didn't listen to anything she had to say. The few that did listen included tons that didn't or couldn't believe the abuse she talked about was real. So now she's left with only a handful of people still listening. That's a failed protest if you can't keep people listening and asking questions. It also became all about her and she was a woman who looked like a weirdo by shaving her head and flaunting gender roles that require girls to have long hair. So there went another group of people who won't listen to her because she may be a lesbian. She was protesting something that needed attention but did it in the dumbest way possible.

You don't seem to understand the idea of protest. It's not supposed to be something you're comfortable with. It's supposed to get your attention. And you don't get to tell other people which protests are ok and which ones are not.


But protest doesn't do you any good if people don't know what your protesting.
Tearing up a picture of the pope with no context? As an artist the US hardly even knew?
Not surprising how she was treated.
2017-10-03 10:35:02 AM  
4 votes:

twistedknickers: And the hand-wringing pearl clutching response was stupid then and remains stupid still. She tore up a piece of paper and crybabies all over the world whined and carried on as she had murdered puppies.


Those folks must've missed the Bible lesson on making graven images. I'm pretty sure it's one of the more important lessons of the book, like it belongs on a Top-10 list somewhere in the Bible.
2017-10-03 02:42:37 PM  
3 votes:
Lyrics say she changed Marley's slightly to include something about child abuse.
Just watched it.
She did.
Also this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P0NwE9Xa2k
Basically I was wrong, it seems.
2017-10-03 02:33:59 PM  
3 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Snapper Carr: She warned us and we mocked her.

Joe Pesci threatened to smack her to raucous laughter and applause.

I wonder how many people laughing and applauding had a relative who was being molested by a priest.

No, she didn't.

She was doing a cover of Bob Marelys "War". She produced a photo and said "Fight the real enemy" and tore up a picture of the Pope.

Everyone thought, and rightfully so, she was accusing Pope John Paul II of making things worse in Ireland. Which for all his faults, was Steadfastly against Catholics participating in the violence in "The Troubles. Catholics were rightly pissed.

The press release afterwards seemed like a cop out. Stories were already coming out about the abuse of children by the priesthood.

And I'm saying this as a former Catholic now Atheist.


^ That is correct. She WAS NOT talking about kiddie diddling.
2017-10-03 11:48:16 AM  
3 votes:

factoryconnection: Dragonflew: Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.

I didn't question it for a second.

I would say that the coverage of it was brilliant (for the Church) because I didn't know until years later the reason she did it.  Now I was just a young teen but plenty of adults just thought it was her having a hissy.

Darth_Lukecash: The press release afterwards seemed like a cop out. Stories were already coming out about the abuse of children by the priesthood.

So you're saying that it had nothing to do with child abuse, but the Troubles?  Huh.


There really wasn't any other way to read it.

You do a song called war.

Then you say "Fight the real enemy"

Then you tear up a picture of the religious  leader of one factions.

What other conclusion could you make at the time? It's not an unreasonable assumption.

That is what everyone was talking about in my town. No one I knew ever made the connection to child abuse. (Half the kids in my school were Irish Catholic, the other half German Catholics. Catholic school,?of course in a largely Protestant town.)

At the time she say, "Fight child abuse?" Did she say "The church has been hiding a dark secrets"?  Had she said it at the time, I think it would have gone better for her.

I remember weeks later she was booed off of the stage during Bob Dylan's 30th Anniversary Concert.
2017-10-03 11:08:42 AM  
3 votes:

Snapper Carr: She warned us and we mocked her.

Joe Pesci threatened to smack her to raucous laughter and applause.

I wonder how many people laughing and applauding had a relative who was being molested by a priest.


No, she didn't.

She was doing a cover of Bob Marelys "War". She produced a photo and said "Fight the real enemy" and tore up a picture of the Pope.

Everyone thought, and rightfully so, she was accusing Pope John Paul II of making things worse in Ireland. Which for all his faults, was Steadfastly against Catholics participating in the violence in "The Troubles. Catholics were rightly pissed.

The press release afterwards seemed like a cop out. Stories were already coming out about the abuse of children by the priesthood.

And I'm saying this as a former Catholic now Atheist.
2017-10-03 10:14:52 AM  
3 votes:
She was vilified, yet she was correct.
2017-10-03 09:48:19 AM  
3 votes:

loki see loki do: She has entire subscriptions. Poor, talented, broken thing. Wiki says she spent time in a Magdalene asylum. That's some pretty farked up stuff right there.


As someone whose birth mother narrowly avoided the laundry houses not once, but twice, that gives me cold chills
2017-10-03 09:41:32 AM  
3 votes:
I saw it that night, too.  It literally took my breath away.  I just remember how much hurt and defiance and anger she projected, and my only thought was, "Dear God, what has she seen to do something like that?"
2017-10-03 09:08:20 AM  
3 votes:
She has entire subscriptions. Poor, talented, broken thing. Wiki says she spent time in a Magdalene asylum. That's some pretty farked up stuff right there.
2017-10-03 09:00:46 AM  
3 votes:

gshepnyc: She was mocked but she was right.


Yeah she could have explained herself better
2017-10-03 06:00:09 AM  
3 votes:
I remember that. My brother and I were watching and we just looked at each other like WTF?
2017-10-03 02:46:11 PM  
2 votes:
But she is also biatching about the English and the farking Roman Empire.
Just like Ethiopia.
She's pretty farked up even then, conspiracy theory kind of stuff.
2017-10-03 01:26:17 PM  
2 votes:
Wow.

Seems longer than that. That was a different time for me, a different life. Sam Kinison had only recently just made fun of her at that point and was already stone cold dead for six months at this point. I still can't believe that happened to be honest, losing Sam.

Sinéad was and still is a powerful singing voice. Her cover of "The Foggy Dew" with the Chieftains just four years later was amazing. I never understood the hate for her protest then or now.

People can shiat on the Irish all day and all night and it doesn't make it right because a handful of them went to the logical extreme and bombed the crap out of their oppressors; Ireland belongs to the Irish and no one else, GB be damned. Had I been born in Ireland I'd be IRA too. Fark anyone who disagrees, oppression and occupation is wrong.
2017-10-03 10:41:42 AM  
2 votes:

Sgygus: Sinéad was regarded as a kook.  Catholic priests diddling kids?  No one believed the nonsense she was peddling.


Plenty of people believed it.
2017-10-03 10:15:03 AM  
2 votes:
Haw haw, remember how crazy Sinead O'Connor was, she shaved her head and said child molesting is bad. Haw haw, what a crazy loon, haw haw!
2017-10-03 09:39:48 AM  
2 votes:
Dolly's a fan.

Sinead O'Connor - Dagger Through the Heart - Dolly Parton Cover Song.
Youtube fgYTnLA54UQ
2017-10-04 05:08:25 PM  
1 vote:

loki see loki do: sparks2021: loki see loki do: But she is also biatching about the English and the farking Roman Empire.
Just like Ethiopia.
She's pretty farked up even then, conspiracy theory kind of stuff.

You do realize the English were actually oppressing the Irish right? They were using the black and tans to do state sponsored terrorism, rape, and general thuggery, while the Orangemen were terrorists with the tacit approval of the British.

Yar, but the HRE and England were at odds with teach other at the time. ireland tried to appeal to HRE to avoid becomeing a kingdom under HenryViii IIRC.


The English have oppressed the Irish since William the Conqueror sent his chief thug Strongbow to the region in the 12th Century to settle a squabble.   Dude never left.  That conflict predates Henry VIII by several centuries, and has absolutely nothing to do with religion.  It has always been about politics.  Religion is just an easy way to determine who sits on which side of the equation.  It was going on when everyone was Catholic, too.
2017-10-03 09:40:38 PM  
1 vote:
Sinead O'Connor - Make Me a Channel of Your Peace - Late Late Show 26/03/93
Youtube ZJVeXC2JmDU
2017-10-03 09:31:40 PM  
1 vote:
2017-10-03 07:37:12 PM  
1 vote:

loki see loki do: She has entire subscriptions. Poor, talented, broken thing. Wiki says she spent time in a Magdalene asylum. That's some pretty farked up stuff right there.


That is exactly what her tearing up the picture of the Pope was about. She and other prisoners in the Magdalene laundries were horribly abused by the church with the consent of the Irish government.
2017-10-03 03:33:19 PM  
1 vote:
I remember rolling my eyes. Ooh, look out, she's Edgy. Never mind that the new album was a dud and she was sliding down the hill towards one-hit-wonderdom.
2017-10-03 12:07:18 PM  
1 vote:
Bald headed hoes.
2017-10-03 11:56:50 AM  
1 vote:
Came here for Saturday Night Live skit.

I think I'm leaving disappointed.

/Sine-Aid
//Sinbad
///Cue Ball!!!
2017-10-03 10:17:08 AM  
1 vote:

ArthurVandelay: deanis: ArthurVandelay: deanis: I would love to see someone do that to the constitution. Burn a flag while kneeling too. I wonder who would be up to it? It can't be a shock rocker either.

I'd work for Trump to make her kind of money (and her kind, isn't that large)

And working for Trump is worse than anything else I could do, save eating a babby or something.

Wrong thread?

Nah, just dot think ripping/burning the constitution would not be too shocking.

Need to care about what is being destroyed, and not too many Americans care about that "piece of paper"


What does working for Trump have to do with anything?
2017-10-03 09:32:56 AM  
1 vote:
Roger Waters & Sinead O'Connor Mother
Youtube 4bMCCPubHhI
I will always love her for this.
2017-10-03 09:18:08 AM  
1 vote:

killro: That was an odd gesture.

Mostly because without the Catholic Church, there wouldn't be any strong female musicians around today.


"Dominique" doesn't count.
 
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