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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has confirmed it will announce the nominees for the Class of 2018 on Thursday, Oct. 5. Some leading contenders are, J. Geils Band, LL Cool J and Nine Inch Nails   ( cleveland.com) divider line
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2017-10-02 11:01:32 PM  

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Truman Burbank: Hoopy Frood: Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels rocked as hard as anybody in their day, and I don't even see them on any why-aren't-they-in lists.

I think that's a combination of two factors: their heyday was relatively short (because of Mitch accepting that offer to go solo that failed miserably), which means someone that has stroke with the Hall has to fight for them, like Steven Van Zandt did with the Rascals and the Hollies. But Mitch is on record saying there is mutual dislike/hatred between him and some of those people, so the personality conflict alone will keep them out.

Which is a damned shame, because that band kicked ass.

1. Forgot to list them, again sorry
2. Didn't keep out numerous groups whose members hated each other before induction and still do to this day


Looks like I wrote that vaguely. The conflicts are between Mitch and the Hall of Fame people.
 
2017-10-02 11:01:58 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: [img.fark.net image 400x210]

OR GTFO!


You may be kidding, but there was a period The Monkees were the only American rock/pop act matching The Beatles in record sales.
 
2017-10-02 11:02:54 PM  

Gulper Eel: BKITU: Also, one Alfred Matthew Yankovic is conspicuously absent.

He gets in same year as Tangerine Dream, Brenda Lee and Minor Threat.


Brenda Lee is in. Class of 2002.
 
2017-10-02 11:03:33 PM  

John Buck 41: Rock & Roll and LL Cool J do not belong in the same sentence.


Now look what you did!  You put them in the same sentence!  What did they do to deserve that?

/ punchy
// perhaps a little tipsy
/:/ thinks the headline should have said "nine inch J nails"
 
2017-10-02 11:07:32 PM  

BKITU: Gulper Eel: Fat Old Broad: I haven't been keeping up.  Besides the Monkees, who should be in that isn't?

Joe Jackson
Todd Rundgren
King Crimson
Bernard Purdie
Roxy Music
Brian Eno
Motörhead
The Cure
Tina Turner
Billy Ward and His Dominos
The Replacements
Phil Collins
Little Feat
The Spinners
Dire Straits
Boston
Kate Bush
Barry White
XTC
Squeeze
Junior Walker and the All-Stars
Living Colour

Also, one Alfred Matthew Yankovic is conspicuously absent.


Add Ian McKaye, and they can close the books after that.
 
2017-10-02 11:14:15 PM  

Gulper Eel: Joe Jackson


YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

even if i think he doesn't really belong.  You can write the Book Of Rock without him.  But, that said, one of the more recent great, great pleasures of my life in recent terms was seeing him live about a year ago.  I taped it and it came out quite nice if i say so myself.

on the way there, i told my wife, "wow, i hope, hope, hope, hope he plays "It's Different For Girls", that would be so cool!"

(It is a deepish cut, of sorts).

What opens the show?

On the recording you hear me go "YES!!!!!" as Joe sings, "what the hell is wrong with you tonight?"
 
2017-10-03 12:29:37 AM  

Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: GypsyJoker: [upload.wikimedia.org image 307x300][upload.wikimedia.org image 375x375]

As if. Too weird, too non-pop, too non-corporate, not enough emoji-speaking Gerber brats remember them...


But they were big with the members of Nirvana and Soundgarden, so that should've gotten them a few bits of cred.
 
2017-10-03 12:40:16 AM  
This is the problem with all "hall of fames". Do they only induct the best of the best, the ones that everyone can agree on? No. Too many personal faves of the judges get in.
 
2017-10-03 12:44:54 AM  
It all always seems arbitrary and weird.  There's usually one "big" band that makes it in that'll be notable and a handful of acts that absolutely deserve to be in but will be nowhere near as interesting.

Seeing bands from the 90's come up falls into the first category.  Rap-rock wasn't dead by a longshot when RATM came on the scene but they did give it a significant shot in the arm.  Nine Inch Nails were kind of the Elvis of Industrial rock.  On modern rock radio sampling and electronics were considered dishonest and dirty prior to NIN....now it's almost unheard of to have some of that element in modern music.
 
2017-10-03 01:08:27 AM  

Duke of Madness Motors: This is the problem with all "hall of fames". Do they only induct the best of the best, the ones that everyone can agree on? No. Too many personal faves of the judges get in.


In this case, I think it's more that the judges' least-liked artists don't get in, regardless of how deserving they are.
 
2017-10-03 02:55:33 AM  

Truman Burbank: Hoopy Frood: Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels rocked as hard as anybody in their day, and I don't even see them on any why-aren't-they-in lists.

I think that's a combination of two factors: their heyday was relatively short (because of Mitch accepting that offer to go solo that failed miserably), which means someone that has stroke with the Hall has to fight for them, like Steven Van Zandt did with the Rascals and the Hollies. But Mitch is on record saying there is mutual dislike/hatred between him and some of those people, so the personality conflict alone will keep them out.

Which is a damned shame, because that band kicked ass.


I think either you have the king's favor or you don't. Ritchie Valens' career lasted eight months and produced two singles during his lifetime, one of which failed to crack the top 40. He's in the Hall.
 
2017-10-03 04:08:00 AM  

Truthman: Seriously?
J. Geils Band?
That right there cements proof that the Hall of Fame is an absolute joke. A dozen bands already called out are so much more deserving for EVERY reason.


If all you've heard is Centerfold, then I don't blame you for saying that.  Listen to their whole catalog, they were an awesome band and he was a terrific songwriter with more than one hit.
 
2017-10-03 09:20:48 AM  

karmachameleon: Truthman: Seriously?
J. Geils Band?
That right there cements proof that the Hall of Fame is an absolute joke. A dozen bands already called out are so much more deserving for EVERY reason.

If all you've heard is Centerfold, then I don't blame you for saying that.  Listen to their whole catalog, they were an awesome band and he was a terrific songwriter with more than one hit.


And they were an awesome live band.  Peter Wolf could improv and rhyme with the best of them.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW0hxbrmFhM

And if you don't think Whammer Jammer is one of the most fun songs ever written, there's no hope for you.
 
2017-10-03 11:13:07 AM  

John Buck 41: Rock & Roll and LL Cool J do not belong in the same sentence.


Almost no one plays rock & roll any more, let's just shut this thing down, right?
 
2017-10-03 11:52:29 AM  
J. Geils Band absolutely deserves to be in.
Pure garage band attitude and look. Developed a rabid regional following through relentless touring and rocking live shows. Sure, no major hits until Centerfold, but had loads of great songs/hits if you pay attention to anything other than the charts. Drew inspiration from a range of genres from Do Wop, Blues, R&B, Soul and Rock n Roll.
That band epitomizes what Rock and Roll is all about.
 
2017-10-03 12:12:33 PM  

Dragonflew: John Buck 41: Rock & Roll and LL Cool J do not belong in the same sentence.

Almost no one plays rock & roll any more, let's just shut this thing down, right?


Why not?
 
2017-10-03 01:42:37 PM  

Great_Milenko: ThirstyCraig: I don't listen to popular music, nor have since about 1982, J Geils is Hall of Fame worthy? The Rock n Roll Hall is about as good nowadays as the WWE's.

He recently died, so they can make up for ignoring him all his life by sticking him in there now.


Ignoring his...two or three songs??? Really not a HOF'er.
 
2017-10-03 02:46:03 PM  
Is Slim Whitman inducted yet?  If not, then the HoF is a sham.
 
2017-10-03 03:34:26 PM  

Combustion: Great_Milenko: ThirstyCraig: I don't listen to popular music, nor have since about 1982, J Geils is Hall of Fame worthy? The Rock n Roll Hall is about as good nowadays as the WWE's.

He recently died, so they can make up for ignoring him all his life by sticking him in there now.

Ignoring his...two or three songs??? Really not a HOF'er.


18 songs on the Billboard Hot 100, The Only Chart That Matters.
Rush has 8 songs on the Billboard Hot 100.
 
2017-10-03 04:43:48 PM  
Frankly, I don't give the RRHoF a second thought....but if you have any doubt about J Geils, do yourself a favor and check out everything before they crossed-over into popdom. Back in the day, it was hard to top J. Geils for house-rocking party music. Their live discs "Full House" and "Blow Your Face Out" should do the trick, if high energy rock and roll with a healthy dose of greasy R&B is in your wheelhouse. Their studio output is very solid with only an occasional minor mis-step (Monkey Island) but most are excellent. Try "Bloodshot".
 
2017-10-03 06:29:47 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: Is Slim Whitman inducted yet?  If not, then the HoF is a sham.


He's in the Country Music Hall of Fame, but I bet you knew that already.
 
2017-10-03 07:17:37 PM  

mcmnky: thatguyoverthere70: [img.fark.net image 400x210]

OR GTFO!

You may be kidding, but there was a period The Monkees were the only American rock/pop act matching The Beatles in record sales.


Not kidding at all, but I believe Mike Nesmith admitted on Facebook or somewhere that he made up that sales stat to see if the media would fact-check him. They didn't, and now it's pretty much accepted as the truth.

Either way, the Monkees rock. Peter Tork plays multiple instruments and auditioned at the recommendation of Stephen Stills. Davy Jones performed in the highest level of professional musical theater, and Mike Nesmith was already a hit writing songwriter. Micky Dolenz came into the group with only acting chops and IMHO has proven himself as one of the better vocalists of his generation... which should be saying something.

They have tons of great songs and classic hits. On their later albums, they did play. As has been noted above, the minute you start excluding bands from the R&RHOF because they didn't play all their instruments on all the tracks of all their albums, you're gonna see some empty spaces in that hall. Did every rap artist in the HOF create the music in every loop and every sample by playing a musical insrument in all of their tracks? I seriously doubt it.
 
2017-10-03 07:20:55 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: mcmnky: thatguyoverthere70: [img.fark.net image 400x210]

OR GTFO!

You may be kidding, but there was a period The Monkees were the only American rock/pop act matching The Beatles in record sales.

Not kidding at all, but I believe Mike Nesmith admitted on Facebook or somewhere that he made up that sales stat to see if the media would fact-check him. They didn't, and now it's pretty much accepted as the truth.


" "Larry Harris, co-founder of Casablanca Records, in Behind the Mask: "With my association with Billboard, I was able to get five Kiss albums on the charts at one time; this was around '77, '78. I walked in and gave them inflated sales figures, which they could have easily checked if they chose to but they didn't ... This was happening all over the business" "
 
2017-10-03 08:27:36 PM  

LewDux: " "Larry Harris, co-founder of Casablanca Records, in Behind the Mask: "With my association with Billboard, I was able to get five Kiss albums on the charts at one time; this was around '77, '78. I walked in and gave them inflated sales figures, which they could have easily checked if they chose to but they didn't ... This was happening all over the business" "


They were fake news before fake news was cool!
 
2017-10-04 02:49:51 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: LewDux: " "Larry Harris, co-founder of Casablanca Records, in Behind the Mask: "With my association with Billboard, I was able to get five Kiss albums on the charts at one time; this was around '77, '78. I walked in and gave them inflated sales figures, which they could have easily checked if they chose to but they didn't ... This was happening all over the business" "

They were fake news before fake news was cool!


It's funny because only bands you don't like were doing that
 
2017-10-04 02:54:20 AM  
 
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