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(Washington Post)   Documents released to Mueller reveal that Trump associates had at least two undisclosed contacts with Russia during the campaign. Well, good thing there's nothing to distract from that becoming major news today   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-10-02 04:08:11 PM  
Doesn't matter if it becomes major news today. What matters is what Mueller & Co. ultimately do with this and all the other shiat they've been digging up when the time is right.Hell, I'm itching for some magic bombshell just as much as anyone, but this has to be done right; we shouldn't expect anything huge to come from the investigation until the investigation is finished.
 
2017-10-02 04:21:55 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Doesn't matter if it becomes major news today. What matters is what Mueller & Co. ultimately do with this and all the other shiat they've been digging up when the time is right.Hell, I'm itching for some magic bombshell just as much as anyone, but this has to be done right; we shouldn't expect anything huge to come from the investigation until the investigation is finished.


Yup, today it's just a story. It needs to be an indictment for it to actually do anything.
 
2017-10-02 04:51:52 PM  
Man he was really planning on losing that election wasn't he.
 
2017-10-02 05:09:15 PM  
It doesn't matter if it's news or not, but rather if Mueller is able to use them when he finally comes out with his report and recommendations, if not indictments.

F*ck the news cycle. This isn't a Gottverdammt series teaser. Let the man do his damn job, and maybe stop treating the news as if it's a damn TV show that NEEDS a narrative. What matters is the final report, and if he's going to seek to press charges. That's it. That's what matters. And we can wait for him to try to get it right.
 
2017-10-02 05:10:58 PM  

BizarreMan: Man he was really planning on losing that election wasn't he.


I think that is the take away.  I wonder what his initial reaction was when someone pointed out that he has a chance.
 
2017-10-02 05:25:40 PM  

hubiestubert: It doesn't matter if it's news or not, but rather if Mueller is able to use them when he finally comes out with his report and recommendations, if not indictments.

F*ck the news cycle. This isn't a Gottverdammt series teaser. Let the man do his damn job, and maybe stop treating the news as if it's a damn TV show that NEEDS a narrative. What matters is the final report, and if he's going to seek to press charges. That's it. That's what matters. And we can wait for him to try to get it right.


and that's fine. Take the time to bring an ironclad case to use. But the info that comes out keeps pressure on both Trump, his associates and the guilty f*ckers in Congress. And it's working, they are running around with their dicks on fire most of the time.

plus, for those that are either clean of Russian money or totally oblivious on how deep Russia went and feeling a little shame, these leaks help push them further away from both Trump and the GOP. It's happening already with some GOP senators. Sure, we'll never convince someone like McConnell, but convincing people like Burr, Hatch, Grassley, McCain, and Graham can go a long way to getting any sort of justice through the Senate
 
2017-10-02 05:40:50 PM  

BigBurrito: BizarreMan: Man he was really planning on losing that election wasn't he.

I think that is the take away.  I wonder what his initial reaction was when someone pointed out that he has a chance.


I'm fairly certain that Trump's only motivation was a hotel in Moscow. He's been dreaming of that since 87. He tried several times prior to the campaign to get one and they all fell through. It seems, through the Cohen/Sater emails, that he was really hoping he could pull off the deal they came up with at the Miss Universe pageant.

Now, parallel to all that are two other plots: Putin and Trump's kids/family.

Putin clearly wanted sanctions lifted. I think we can all safely assume that his entire purpose with Trump was to a) sow discord in the US, furthering the potential Balkanization of America and b) in the off chance Trump somehow won, to erase sanctions. If Trump pulled off b), he would've been rewarded with that sizeable share of Rosneft, or he would finally get his damn Hotel Moscow.

As for the family, I think they wanted Trump to win, or at least not get his ass handed to him in a "reverse Reagan '84". To that end, they enlisted the help of the GRU and FSB to help their cyber wing of the campaign, with Kushner directing it. Half Scoop and Eric! likely did a lot of the side deals to make sure Dad's dream of Hotel Moscow became true regardless of the outcome.

a lot of the shadier non-Trump family we're likely hired by Stone (who Trump hired because friends), hired by someone hired by Stone, or was already a longtime Trump associate (Cohn, Sater, etc.)
 
2017-10-02 05:46:10 PM  

somedude210: hubiestubert: It doesn't matter if it's news or not, but rather if Mueller is able to use them when he finally comes out with his report and recommendations, if not indictments.

F*ck the news cycle. This isn't a Gottverdammt series teaser. Let the man do his damn job, and maybe stop treating the news as if it's a damn TV show that NEEDS a narrative. What matters is the final report, and if he's going to seek to press charges. That's it. That's what matters. And we can wait for him to try to get it right.

and that's fine. Take the time to bring an ironclad case to use. But the info that comes out keeps pressure on both Trump, his associates and the guilty f*ckers in Congress. And it's working, they are running around with their dicks on fire most of the time.

plus, for those that are either clean of Russian money or totally oblivious on how deep Russia went and feeling a little shame, these leaks help push them further away from both Trump and the GOP. It's happening already with some GOP senators. Sure, we'll never convince someone like McConnell, but convincing people like Burr, Hatch, Grassley, McCain, and Graham can go a long way to getting any sort of justice through the Senate


I know that you're right, but after all this mess in Vegas, and the sheer chutzpah that the dickish set showing...I'm just in junk punching mood. Donnie. The NRA. Three quarters of the media just lapping up the tears and terror, the scavengers trying to fit things into an agenda...I am, today, a big ball of spite and I didn't go to the dojo today, because I recognize that my control may NOT be good today. Even in practice it was shaky this afternoon.

I'm going to sit and have a cocktail and try to mellow the Hells out, but dammit, this has been a sh*t day all around. And worse for folks in Vegas for damn sure, but all around, it's just cast a pall on everything. I am deep in a "people suck" mood...
 
2017-10-02 07:52:56 PM  
Putin himself was one of the pee per girls. :-0
 
2017-10-02 07:54:12 PM  
Putin wanted a weak America so they shored up Clinton's opposition. They just didn't count on Republicans hating America probably a touch more than they do.
 
2017-10-02 07:54:22 PM  

hubiestubert: somedude210: hubiestubert: It doesn't matter if it's news or not, but rather if Mueller is able to use them when he finally comes out with his report and recommendations, if not indictments.

F*ck the news cycle. This isn't a Gottverdammt series teaser. Let the man do his damn job, and maybe stop treating the news as if it's a damn TV show that NEEDS a narrative. What matters is the final report, and if he's going to seek to press charges. That's it. That's what matters. And we can wait for him to try to get it right.

and that's fine. Take the time to bring an ironclad case to use. But the info that comes out keeps pressure on both Trump, his associates and the guilty f*ckers in Congress. And it's working, they are running around with their dicks on fire most of the time.

plus, for those that are either clean of Russian money or totally oblivious on how deep Russia went and feeling a little shame, these leaks help push them further away from both Trump and the GOP. It's happening already with some GOP senators. Sure, we'll never convince someone like McConnell, but convincing people like Burr, Hatch, Grassley, McCain, and Graham can go a long way to getting any sort of justice through the Senate

I know that you're right, but after all this mess in Vegas, and the sheer chutzpah that the dickish set showing...I'm just in junk punching mood. Donnie. The NRA. Three quarters of the media just lapping up the tears and terror, the scavengers trying to fit things into an agenda...I am, today, a big ball of spite and I didn't go to the dojo today, because I recognize that my control may NOT be good today. Even in practice it was shaky this afternoon.

I'm going to sit and have a cocktail and try to mellow the Hells out, but dammit, this has been a sh*t day all around. And worse for folks in Vegas for damn sure, but all around, it's just cast a pall on everything. I am deep in a "people suck" mood...


Drink, my friend, and realize that half the country needs the narrative to spell it out for them.

Here's to patience, and knowing and hoping how this all ends.
 
2017-10-02 07:57:23 PM  

the_innkeeper: Drink, my friend, and realize that half the country needs the narrative to spell it out for them.


More like 1/3 of the adult voting population.  This can't be repeated enough, these jokers think they're in the majority.
 
2017-10-02 07:58:16 PM  

hubiestubert: It doesn't matter if it's news or not, but rather if Mueller is able to use them when he finally comes out with his report and recommendations, if not indictments.

F*ck the news cycle. This isn't a Gottverdammt series teaser. Let the man do his damn job, and maybe stop treating the news as if it's a damn TV show that NEEDS a narrative. What matters is the final report, and if he's going to seek to press charges. That's it. That's what matters. And we can wait for him to try to get it right.


If they don't tell people what to think before the report is leaked, then people won't know how they are supposed to feel about it.
 
2017-10-02 07:58:25 PM  
Makes me wonder if there's been a single moment they haven't been in contact
 
2017-10-02 07:59:30 PM  
Sorry about your luck submitter.  Maybe next green you get won't be overshadowed by some selfish people dying in a mass murder.
 
2017-10-02 08:06:04 PM  
I know this investigation is feeling excruciatingly slow to a lot of us here.

But hey, if we have to deal with the daily grind to the national morale because our president is a demented, racist toddler, then we can take solace in knowing that the steady, deliberate pace of these inquiries is driving Lord Cheeto absolutely batshiat crazy.
 
2017-10-02 08:10:56 PM  
Doesn't matter. We're not a functional country anymore. We're just going to get worse and worse.
 
2017-10-02 08:12:29 PM  

somedude210: BigBurrito: BizarreMan: Man he was really planning on losing that election wasn't he.

I think that is the take away.  I wonder what his initial reaction was when someone pointed out that he has a chance.

I'm fairly certain that Trump's only motivation was a hotel in Moscow. He's been dreaming of that since 87. He tried several times prior to the campaign to get one and they all fell through. It seems, through the Cohen/Sater emails, that he was really hoping he could pull off the deal they came up with at the Miss Universe pageant.

Now, parallel to all that are two other plots: Putin and Trump's kids/family.

Putin clearly wanted sanctions lifted. I think we can all safely assume that his entire purpose with Trump was to a) sow discord in the US, furthering the potential Balkanization of America and b) in the off chance Trump somehow won, to erase sanctions. If Trump pulled off b), he would've been rewarded with that sizeable share of Rosneft, or he would finally get his damn Hotel Moscow.

As for the family, I think they wanted Trump to win, or at least not get his ass handed to him in a "reverse Reagan '84". To that end, they enlisted the help of the GRU and FSB to help their cyber wing of the campaign, with Kushner directing it. Half Scoop and Eric! likely did a lot of the side deals to make sure Dad's dream of Hotel Moscow became true regardless of the outcome.

a lot of the shadier non-Trump family we're likely hired by Stone (who Trump hired because friends), hired by someone hired by Stone, or was already a longtime Trump associate (Cohn, Sater, etc.)


You know, when you said hotel initially I thought you meant he was in it to jerk it to watching two ladies pissing on each other in a hotel room.
 
2017-10-02 08:12:47 PM  
Offs.

Edit edit edit.... Sighs..
 
2017-10-02 08:15:02 PM  

manunkind: somedude210: BigBurrito: BizarreMan: Man he was really planning on losing that election wasn't he.

I think that is the take away.  I wonder what his initial reaction was when someone pointed out that he has a chance.

I'm fairly certain that Trump's only motivation was a hotel in Moscow. He's been dreaming of that since 87. He tried several times prior to the campaign to get one and they all fell through. It seems, through the Cohen/Sater emails, that he was really hoping he could pull off the deal they came up with at the Miss Universe pageant.

Now, parallel to all that are two other plots: Putin and Trump's kids/family.

Putin clearly wanted sanctions lifted. I think we can all safely assume that his entire purpose with Trump was to a) sow discord in the US, furthering the potential Balkanization of America and b) in the off chance Trump somehow won, to erase sanctions. If Trump pulled off b), he would've been rewarded with that sizeable share of Rosneft, or he would finally get his damn Hotel Moscow.

As for the family, I think they wanted Trump to win, or at least not get his ass handed to him in a "reverse Reagan '84". To that end, they enlisted the help of the GRU and FSB to help their cyber wing of the campaign, with Kushner directing it. Half Scoop and Eric! likely did a lot of the side deals to make sure Dad's dream of Hotel Moscow became true regardless of the outcome.

a lot of the shadier non-Trump family we're likely hired by Stone (who Trump hired because friends), hired by someone hired by Stone, or was already a longtime Trump associate (Cohn, Sater, etc.)

You know, when you said hotel initially I thought you meant he was in it to jerk it to watching two ladies pissing on each other in a hotel room.


Nah, that's just why Mueller is in it
 
2017-10-02 08:15:29 PM  
Any contacts Manafort had with Russians were perfectly appropriate due to his role as a Russian espionage asset

I mean campaign manager
 
2017-10-02 08:16:08 PM  

Unright: Putin wanted a weak America so they shored up Clinton's opposition. They just didn't count on Republicans hating America probably a touch more than they do.


Every Republican leader has Putin's hand up their ass. There's a reason they've been verbally fellating him for a decade, and it isn't just because of their hatred of Obama.

Mueller may well find that Putin had more than a hand in the 2014 midterms as well.
 
2017-10-02 08:17:18 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Doesn't matter. We're not a functional country anymore. We're just going to get worse and worse.


The two things I'm dreading/waiting for are Trump having to comment on this without someone to coach him through it and for the shooters motive to come to light. There were already douche bags trying to get a "ANTIFA DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS A COUNTRY MUSIC PLACE THAT GOT SHOT UP." narrative going. If it's something that could be remotely politicized I expect things to get WAY angrier.
 
2017-10-02 08:25:27 PM  
I fully expect Mueller to start throwing jerry cans of gas on the bonfire next sprint.  Say... April-ish.
 
2017-10-02 08:25:53 PM  
An even better thing the investigation isn't predicated upon ratings or public knowledge.

/yet
 
2017-10-02 08:28:56 PM  
somedude210:
I'm fairly certain that Trump's only motivation was a hotel in Moscow. He's been dreaming of that since 87. He tried several times prior to the campaign to get one and they all fell through. It seems, through the Cohen/Sater emails, that he was really hoping he could pull off the deal they came up with at the Miss Universe pageant.

This makes perfect sense.  A hotel is the perfect cover for your shady business operations. People come and go at all hours, yet you control the building and don't even have to leave unless you want to. Having a base right there in Москва gets you great accessibility to the tons of ill-gotten cash the Russian oligarchy has ripe for laundering. Hide it behind a few more shell companies, and voila! You can help finance the mountains of dumb-assed debt you've rung up with bad deals back home!

>> campaign, with Kushner directing it. Half Scoop and Eric! likely did a lot of the side deals to make sure Dad's dream of Hotel Moscow became true regardless of the outcome.

And these clowns would keep busy kowtowing to the Russkies and keep that cash flowing. With Stone and Manafort's help where needed!

Too bad we all got sucked in to their treasonous scheme.
 
2017-10-02 08:33:03 PM  
FTFAAlan Garten, general counsel for the Trump Organization, said in a statement that the newly disclosed Moscow proposal needed to be understood "in context."

The "context" in this case being that Republican President Donald Trump is Russian-compromised traitor and a horse's ass of the highest order.

F*ck yourself, Alan. Literally no one needs to hear Trump's hired monkey bang his cymbals together.
 
2017-10-02 08:35:18 PM  
two... more? what is this... were they meeting on a weekly basis?
 
2017-10-02 08:36:18 PM  
1 more for the dossier, he was being offered deals in Russia.
 
2017-10-02 08:42:29 PM  

Jedbone: This makes perfect sense. A hotel is the perfect cover for your shady business operations. People come and go at all hours, yet you control the building and don't even have to leave unless you want to. Having a base right there in Москва gets you great accessibility to the tons of ill-gotten cash the Russian oligarchy has ripe for laundering. Hide it behind a few more shell companies, and voila! You can help finance the mountains of dumb-assed debt you've rung up with bad deals back home!


He only wanted to put his name on it, the Russians wanted more than a name on the side of a building. That was why the last offer we heard about was rejected at least.
 
2017-10-02 08:55:55 PM  
Here's hoping Mueller has top notch private security (federal security may be compromised since the US leader has a vested interest in making Mueller go away). People have been polonium'd for less. Putin would definitely benefit if something happened to him.
 
2017-10-02 09:28:27 PM  

Pichu0102: Here's hoping Mueller has top notch private security (federal security may be compromised since the US leader has a vested interest in making Mueller go away). People have been polonium'd for less. Putin would definitely benefit if something happened to him.


Putin would benefit if someone assassinated Trump and it could plausibly be based on the left. That would cause maximum chaos and neutralize the investigation. People keep talking like Russia is invested in Trump. Why would they be? He's a "wasting asset" at best.
 
2017-10-02 09:41:11 PM  

Barfmaker: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Doesn't matter if it becomes major news today. What matters is what Mueller & Co. ultimately do with this and all the other shiat they've been digging up when the time is right.Hell, I'm itching for some magic bombshell just as much as anyone, but this has to be done right; we shouldn't expect anything huge to come from the investigation until the investigation is finished.

Yup, today it's just a story. It needs to be an indictment for it to actually do anything.


Congress will not indict.  The Republican Party is resigned to collective Misprison of Treason.  Trump has exposed them as a collective fraud.  The good news is that even their voting demographic is going get sick of it, the bad news is they aren't going to get sick of it until they realize that in giving up the right to free and fair elections and the rule of law for Democrats, they gave it up for themselves in the process.

And that realization will be a long time in coming.
 
2017-10-02 10:21:58 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Barfmaker: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Doesn't matter if it becomes major news today. What matters is what Mueller & Co. ultimately do with this and all the other shiat they've been digging up when the time is right.Hell, I'm itching for some magic bombshell just as much as anyone, but this has to be done right; we shouldn't expect anything huge to come from the investigation until the investigation is finished.

Yup, today it's just a story. It needs to be an indictment for it to actually do anything.

Congress will not indict.  The Republican Party is resigned to collective Misprison of Treason.  Trump has exposed them as a collective fraud.  The good news is that even their voting demographic is going get sick of it, the bad news is they aren't going to get sick of it until they realize that in giving up the right to free and fair elections and the rule of law for Democrats, they gave it up for themselves in the process.

And that realization will be a long time in coming.


I wonder if that's what Mueller is thinking, and is realizing that since we have one party fully in the pocket of Russian interests that maybe he should take his time and start finding ways to leak the story in order to make sure 2018 finds us in Democratic hands.  Yeah, it's political, but at this point we're not really in politics but in national security.  Maybe the future holds that we need to drive the Republicans into the sea as a matter of national security.  This whole year hasn't been about Republican dominance as it has been about dissecting the Republicans like a turkey:  demolishing Confederate monuments, undermining their attempts to strip Obamacare, and generally dismantling their entire reason to exist while Trump showcases just how undeserving he is of any sort of power and generally how the rich exist in the eyes of the pliable and weak Republican party.  Seriously, would the Republican Party outside of Putin's pocket really put up with Trump to this point?

I think we're at the point where the Republican Party needs to face some sort of real consequences for what it has done to the nation over the last fifty years.  We can all say 'but they always get away with it,' but nothing lasts forever.  All dictators eventually fall.  Even Gaddafi met his end in a humiliating fashion.  And it would make sense that noted failure Donald Trump would be the one that finally destroys this pathetic party of assholes.
 
2017-10-02 10:35:57 PM  
Undisclosed contacts with Russia. How does that happen exactly? You fall an hit your head on the country? Or is this another one of those Russian hotties trying to bait someone into a meeting about adoption then switching the topics? ;)

Uh huh. Now. Any. Day.
 
2017-10-02 10:49:22 PM  
I was near tears watching this Vegas shiat, and the Comforter In Chief showed up and I wanted to punch his stupid face into the planter. At least with Shrub he was aware that people were dead. This motherfarker has no idea.
 
2017-10-02 11:07:27 PM  

recondite cetacean: I was near tears watching this Vegas shiat, and the Comforter In Chief showed up and I wanted to punch his stupid face into the planter. At least with Shrub he was aware that people were dead. This motherfarker has no idea.


The crazy thing is Republicans think his response is appropriate, but Obama's after Sandy Hook wasn't "Presidential."

To be fair, an amount of the Republican core pretend that Sandy Hook was a false flag operation.
 
2017-10-03 12:36:46 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Doesn't matter. We're not a functional country anymore. We're just going to get worse and worse.


This has been my feeling. The system is too jury rigged against cities/democrats/population centers that there doesn't seem to be a way to reverse the trend. Even when we get enough democrats in key positions with a liberal president the republicans figure out a way to destroy everything. They are literally the worse thing going on in this country right now, from Trump down to school boards. And there doesn't seem to be anything we can actually do about it.
 
2017-10-03 01:07:37 AM  

somedude210: BigBurrito: BizarreMan: Man he was really planning on losing that election wasn't he.

I think that is the take away.  I wonder what his initial reaction was when someone pointed out that he has a chance.

I'm fairly certain that Trump's only motivation was a hotel in Moscow. He's been dreaming of that since 87. He tried several times prior to the campaign to get one and they all fell through. It seems, through the Cohen/Sater emails, that he was really hoping he could pull off the deal they came up with at the Miss Universe pageant.

Now, parallel to all that are two other plots: Putin and Trump's kids/family.

Putin clearly wanted sanctions lifted. I think we can all safely assume that his entire purpose with Trump was to a) sow discord in the US, furthering the potential Balkanization of America and b) in the off chance Trump somehow won, to erase sanctions. If Trump pulled off b), he would've been rewarded with that sizeable share of Rosneft, or he would finally get his damn Hotel Moscow.

As for the family, I think they wanted Trump to win, or at least not get his ass handed to him in a "reverse Reagan '84". To that end, they enlisted the help of the GRU and FSB to help their cyber wing of the campaign, with Kushner directing it. Half Scoop and Eric! likely did a lot of the side deals to make sure Dad's dream of Hotel Moscow became true regardless of the outcome.

a lot of the shadier non-Trump family we're likely hired by Stone (who Trump hired because friends), hired by someone hired by Stone, or was already a longtime Trump associate (Cohn, Sater, etc.)


Mr Clancy, I was assured you were dead.

Seriously though I think you're very smart and have awarded you the appropriate color.

Also is there a word or phrase (or legislation) that describes buying a stock and then being solely responsible for a significant upswing? Because yes, I bought diageo on November 9. And now here I am.
 
2017-10-03 08:37:40 AM  
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2017-10-03 10:55:09 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Barfmaker: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Doesn't matter if it becomes major news today. What matters is what Mueller & Co. ultimately do with this and all the other shiat they've been digging up when the time is right.Hell, I'm itching for some magic bombshell just as much as anyone, but this has to be done right; we shouldn't expect anything huge to come from the investigation until the investigation is finished.

Yup, today it's just a story. It needs to be an indictment for it to actually do anything.

Congress will not indict.  The Republican Party is resigned to collective Misprison of Treason.  Trump has exposed them as a collective fraud.  The good news is that even their voting demographic is going get sick of it, the bad news is they aren't going to get sick of it until they realize that in giving up the right to free and fair elections and the rule of law for Democrats, they gave it up for themselves in the process.

And that realization will be a long time in coming.


I think there is a chance they indict, but it depends on the gerrymandering case before the Supreme Court.  Voter suppression tactics have a hand in it, too.  Without both of those tactics, the GOP would have to actually, you know, govern.  If they get to keep both, I think we're stuck with Donny and the rest of them.
 
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