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(The Raw Story)   In another unsuccessful bid to improve their image, Miami police union equates NFL protesters with Vegas shooter   ( rawstory.com) divider line
    More: Dumbass, NFL players, Police, Lt. Javier Ortiz, police brutality, lone gunman attack, country western concert, Las Vegas police, Miami New Times  
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2017-10-02 01:23:04 PM  
Well, it's kind of on the other end of the continuum.  Kneeling during the anthem is a three whereas, shooting innocent people is a hundred.  Killing an unarmed black guy and planting a gun on him is a hundred also...
 
2017-10-02 01:26:09 PM  
I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.
 
2017-10-02 01:30:20 PM  
So in order to support the police, you should turn a blind eye when they fark up and/or kill innocent people?

Not sure I can get on board with that.
 
2017-10-02 01:31:40 PM  

FortyHams: I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.


SOME people who are police officers shouldn't be.  But when you count up all LEOs, there's easily a couple million in this country.  If even 5% are bad or shouldn't be police, that's thousands of individuals.
 
2017-10-02 01:31:46 PM  
Looks like they found the bad apple.

Now what?
 
2017-10-02 01:33:09 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Looks like they found the bad apple.

Now what?


Add him to the bushel.

Personally, I say press him into cider.
 
2017-10-02 01:35:02 PM  
All of Nothing (Hush), It's got to be.

Posting a photo of Las Vegas police rushing to help victims of the shooting committed by 64-year-old Stephen Craig Paddock, of Mesquite, Nevada, alongside a picture of NFL players kneeling on the sidelines,  Ortiz wrote: "Two groups of people, one in Seattle, one in Vegas, chose to take action last night in their own way.... We support the #POLICE"

According to the New Times, Ortiz was asked to explain the tweet, with the Miami cop replying by text message, "While NFL players express a false perception of police officers by inciting hate and division by disrespecting the U.S. flag, the reality is law enforcement risks their lives every day for America."

Prior to the NFL tweet, Ortiz called for more "militarized equipment," for police "in order to protect the innocent from evil.
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2017-10-02 02:19:05 PM  
As other's have said: if supporting the police means supporting racism and discrimination and extra-judicial killings then I'm out. If the FOP and police unions want people to trust and respect police officers then that has to be earned.
 
2017-10-02 02:25:40 PM  
Posting a photo of Las Vegas police rushing to help victims of the shooting committed by 64-year-old Stephen Craig Paddock, of Mesquite, Nevada, alongside a picture of NFL players kneeling on the sidelines, Ortiz wrote: "Two groups of people, one in Seattle, one in Vegas, chose to take action last night in their own way.... We support the #POLICE"

#WHAT_AN_ASSHOLE
 
2017-10-02 02:37:41 PM  
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2017-10-02 02:40:29 PM  
"Two groups of people, one in Seattle, one in Vegas, chose to take action last night in their own way.... We support the #POLICE"

Could the police tell me how they want me to hold my hands when I pray? I think they're the experts on how patriots should behave.
 
2017-10-02 02:42:29 PM  
Kneeling is so violent,  i have ptsd because of them
 
2017-10-02 02:42:36 PM  
No matter how stupid someone is, there's always someone who can act even more stupid.

Congrats, Miami PD. You win the Moron of the Day award.
 
2017-10-02 02:42:54 PM  

FortyHams: I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.


Ever vigilant.  Today's kneeler could be tomorrow's mass shooter.  You don't know.  I bet you never even took a "How to choke out a suspect" class like real big city cops.
 
2017-10-02 02:43:17 PM  
I'm guessing this guy can only get his junk up if he's riding in an up armored Humvee.
 
2017-10-02 02:43:50 PM  

Ambivalence: FortyHams: I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.

SOME people who are police officers shouldn't be.  But when you count up all LEOs, there's easily a couple million in this country.  If even 5% are bad or shouldn't be police, that's thousands of individuals.


It's 1.1 million.  Which is probably too many police PERIOD, not even counting their relative quality.

All the police who *should be police* are pretty much immediately made into detectives.

It's the Peter Principle meets Murphy's Law.
 
2017-10-02 02:44:39 PM  

RI_Red: No matter how stupid someone is, there's always someone who can act even more stupid.

Congrats, Miami PD. You win the Moron of the Day award.


Forget it Jim, it's Florida.
 
2017-10-02 02:44:50 PM  

Nadie_AZ: All of Nothing (Hush), It's got to be.

Posting a photo of Las Vegas police rushing to help victims of the shooting committed by 64-year-old Stephen Craig Paddock, of Mesquite, Nevada, alongside a picture of NFL players kneeling on the sidelines,  Ortiz wrote: "Two groups of people, one in Seattle, one in Vegas, chose to take action last night in their own way.... We support the #POLICE"

According to the New Times, Ortiz was asked to explain the tweet, with the Miami cop replying by text message, "While NFL players express a false perception of police officers by inciting hate and division by disrespecting the U.S. flag, the reality is law enforcement risks their lives every day for America."

Prior to the NFL tweet, Ortiz called for more "militarized equipment," for police "in order to protect the innocent from evil."


So it's not equating them, it's just using it to counter their strawman that the protestors hate the cops.

/A BS headline? In my Fark?
//It's more likely than you think.
 
2017-10-02 02:45:37 PM  

Ambivalence: FortyHams: I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.

SOME people who are police officers shouldn't be.  But when you count up all LEOs, there's easily a couple million in this country.  If even 5% are bad or shouldn't be police, that's thousands of individuals.


Talked with a former Miami SWAT officer who went on to train emergency/tactical units across the US. This was a couple years ago when we had the 80 yo 'pay to play' deputy shooting a civilian. I mentioned the '5% bad' theory to him, since I subscribed to it back then. He told me that in his experience, after a decade of training police departments all over the country, the percentage of cops who really shouldn't be cops was closer to 15-20%
 
2017-10-02 02:46:06 PM  
How would the NFL players be equal to the shooter?

The shooter had a gun, therefore, by your logic, he was no liberal. After all, liberals hate guns, and the protesting players are liberals, also according to your logic, so therefore, if you gave them a gun, they'd cringe at the sight of a weapon. Right?
 
2017-10-02 02:46:45 PM  
Paging the trolls alternative opinion posters who believe police discrimination is overblown to the thread. Maybe some of these will show up.

https://m.fark.com/comments/9752534?from_page=myrecent#new

I mean jfc folks, I get called a bootlicker on this forum and even I can see the bias in our justice system.
 
2017-10-02 02:46:46 PM  
Looks like we finally found Florida Man.  And he's just as stupid as we've been led to believe.
 
2017-10-02 02:48:39 PM  
Well, in their favor, more people like cop shows than football on TV.
 
2017-10-02 02:49:07 PM  

Ambivalence: FortyHams: I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.

SOME people who are police officers shouldn't be.  But when you count up all LEOs, there's easily a couple million in this country.  If even 5% are bad or shouldn't be police, that's thousands of individuals.


And the rest either see-no-evil or actively covers for the 5%.
 
2017-10-02 02:49:24 PM  
The fact that he's using this to call for more police militarization, combined with the language he used, is like textbook police state rhetoric.  Absolutely chilling.
 
2017-10-02 02:49:36 PM  

Ambivalence: FortyHams: I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.

SOME people who are police officers shouldn't be.  But when you count up all LEOs, there's easily a couple million in this country.  If even 5% are bad or shouldn't be police, that's thousands of individuals.


Until the "good cops" start standing up and helping against the "bad cops" instead of protecting them behind the thin blue line, they are all "bad cops."
 
2017-10-02 02:50:25 PM  
If this guy can tell me how police having more militarized equipment would have changed anything last night...he'd be lying.
 
2017-10-02 02:51:06 PM  
Nadie_AZ:

Prior to the NFL tweet, Ortiz called for more "militarized equipment," for police "in order to protect the innocent from evil."

Because rolling up with machine guns and a tank would have fixed everything? What are you going to do? Fire at the hotel? Yeah, that would have made things so much better. Idiocracy levels of policing from this logic.


Idiocracy - Frito's Car.
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2017-10-02 02:51:21 PM  
Also I'm sure my sister is forwarding the shiat out of that post.  Did wonder her response to the Steelers since she's an ardent "Blue Lives Matter" bullshiat.
 
2017-10-02 02:53:11 PM  
The police kill roughly 1000 american citizens a year, according to the best estimates (they actively try to suppress that information, which itself kind of illustrates the size of the issue, but WaPo and a couple others try to get a lowball yearly estimate by analyzing local news reports and it's never under 900/year).

This is pretty much the highest fatality count for a mass shooting in US history, and it hit... fifty?  And they average like five or ten fatalities a year, with a couple recent outliers, with even the outliers not pulling it remotely close to the police body count?

"Crazy, evil" people have a lot of catching up to do to murder as many of us as our own police officers, so I'm not buying the whole "this is why the cops need military gear" argument.  We'd be two orders of magnitude safer giving that gear to the mass shooters.
 
2017-10-02 02:54:40 PM  

Douggernaut: The fact that he's using this to call for more police militarization, combined with the language he used, is like textbook police state rhetoric.  Absolutely chilling.


metaskie: Until the "good cops" start standing up and helping against the "bad cops" instead of protecting them behind the thin blue line, they are all "bad cops."


THIS. Until I see rank and file cops immediately call out these racist, Authoritarian idiots and run them out of their own unions, we can all safely say FARK THE POLICE, even if we know 95% of them are honest cops.
 
2017-10-02 02:54:46 PM  

Douggernaut: The fact that he's using this to call for more police militarization, combined with the language he used, is like textbook police state rhetoric.  Absolutely chilling.


To be fair, establishing an authoritarian police state is very literally his job. It's what he gets paid to do
 
2017-10-02 02:55:39 PM  
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2017-10-02 02:56:28 PM  
This is not a lot different from listening to the Klan's opinion about protests against racism and religious bigotry.
 
2017-10-02 02:57:44 PM  

Lost Thought 00: To be fair, establishing an authoritarian police state is very literally his job. It's what he gets paid to do


That's too bad. My grandfather's job was once putting bullets in guys like this. He used that money from that job in the forties to buy a house and raise my family in the American dream.

Nowadays, that same country pays idiots like this actual money and puts them in positions of authority.
 
2017-10-02 02:58:20 PM  

imaconnect4guy: If this guy can tell me how police having more militarized equipment would have changed anything last night...he'd be lying.


Well, it could have made it worse. That's a kind of change.
 
2017-10-02 03:00:29 PM  

Diogenes: So in order to support the police, you should turn a blind eye when they fark up and/or kill innocent people?

Not sure I can get on board with that.


They have a hard job.
 
2017-10-02 03:00:46 PM  
Considering the number of people killed by cops in America shooting unarmed people for no readily discernible reason is something you'd think the police would sympathize with.
 
2017-10-02 03:01:13 PM  
It's gone from a "few bad apples" to a "fish rotting from the head down".
 
2017-10-02 03:01:28 PM  
Two groups of people, one in Seattle, one in Vegas, chose to take action last night in their own way.... We support the #POLICE"

Equate? He was talking about the police officers taking action, not the gunman. Bad subby.
 
2017-10-02 03:01:51 PM  
Prior to the NFL tweet, Ortiz called for more "militarized equipment," for police "in order to protect the innocent from evil."

Do they need it so they can polish it while the gunman kills himself?
 
2017-10-02 03:03:04 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: "Two groups of people, one in Seattle, one in Vegas, chose to take action last night in their own way.... We support the #POLICE"

Could the police tell me how they want me to hold my hands when I pray? I think they're the experts on how patriots should behave.


If you don't hold your hands the right way in prayer, that's a Disorderly Conduct charge!

These groups are about to get pepper sprayed:

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2017-10-02 03:03:06 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Douggernaut: The fact that he's using this to call for more police militarization, combined with the language he used, is like textbook police state rhetoric.  Absolutely chilling.

To be fair, establishing an authoritarian police state is very literally his job. It's what he gets paid to do


I think it was just the sheer lack of euphemism this time around that hit me so hard.  They're usually not quite that blatant about it, at least when they're (aware they're) on the record.
 
2017-10-02 03:03:25 PM  
From my understanding, this Lieutenant is very outspoken and extremely right wing. He had his Facebook account suspended due to complaints before. His posting history isn't pretty.
 
2017-10-02 03:03:42 PM  

Ambivalence: FortyHams: I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.

SOME people who are police officers shouldn't be.  But when you count up all LEOs, there's easily a couple million in this country.  If even 5% are bad or shouldn't be police, that's thousands of individuals.


The vast majority of the 95% ignore when that 5% break the rules, they are assholes too.
 
2017-10-02 03:05:04 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Prior to the NFL tweet, Ortiz called for more "militarized equipment," for police "in order to protect the innocent from evil."

Do they need it so they can polish it while the gunman kills himself?


You mean the stooge. The real gunman is on a flight back to Moscow.
 
2017-10-02 03:05:20 PM  
Cops that murder have the moral high ground over people who take a knee?

Yeah, eabod.

/some, I assume, are good people
 
2017-10-02 03:06:07 PM  

Gr3asy: Cops that murder have the moral high ground over people who take a knee?

Yeah, eabod.

/some, I assume, are good people


White ones only.

Wait, this gunman was white also wasn't he??
 
2017-10-02 03:06:49 PM  

jst3p: Ambivalence: FortyHams: I'm starting to feel that most people who are police officers shouldn't be.

SOME people who are police officers shouldn't be.  But when you count up all LEOs, there's easily a couple million in this country.  If even 5% are bad or shouldn't be police, that's thousands of individuals.

The vast majority of the 95% ignore when that 5% break the rules, they are assholes too.


Netflix currently has a show called "The Seven Five" about corrupt NY cops, if you would like a particular example to ruminate over.
 
2017-10-02 03:10:07 PM  
Many police forces dissuade applicants with high intelligence scores from becoming law enforcement officers...

This gentleman is a fine example of that practice.
 
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