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(Forbes)   The suspect science of Star Trek: Discovery makes for a better plot device than for believable science fiction   ( forbes.com) divider line
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2017-10-02 12:18:04 PM  
Uh, no shiat. This has been true of Star Trek since September, 1966.

Did you think a warp drive made for believable science fiction? Or the transporter?
 
2017-10-02 12:23:07 PM  
Rape gangs.
 
2017-10-02 12:43:45 PM  
The third episode actually surprised me, which is rare.
 
2017-10-02 12:53:34 PM  

RexTalionis: Uh, no shiat. This has been true of Star Trek since September, 1966.

Did you think a warp drive made for believable science fiction? Or the transporter?


Yes. All the concepts in the original star trek were based on plausible science.

(Don't know about discovery, I'm not paying to watch it...)
 
2017-10-02 12:56:42 PM  
If teleporters have infinite range why would you need starships?
 
2017-10-02 01:00:13 PM  
Have they tried reversing the polarity and emitting an inverse tachyon beam through the main deflector?
 
2017-10-02 01:03:11 PM  

freidog: Have they tried reversing the polarity and emitting an inverse tachyon beam through the main deflector?


It's just like grating fresh Parmesan!
 
2017-10-02 01:03:21 PM  

freidog: Have they tried reversing the polarity and emitting an inverse tachyon beam through the main deflector?


That won't work. They have to eject the warp core. But make sure it doesn't land in a Jeffries Tube when you do -- those things are a biatch to clean out.
 
2017-10-02 01:05:53 PM  

Fano: If teleporters have infinite range why would you need starships?


The in-universe answer is, they don't.  The plot device "we're out of transporter range" was invoked many times over the course of each series.

The real reason Star Trek has transporters at all is that Gene Roddenberry didn't have the VFX budget to portray the starship Enterprise landing on a planet.  Transporters may be based on (speculative) science ... but it was still mostly a way to cut down the costs of the show.
 
2017-10-02 01:11:32 PM  
Another science article from a business site. Now I'm going to read Scientific American for stock tips.
 
2017-10-02 01:12:34 PM  

noazark: Fano: If teleporters have infinite range why would you need starships?

The in-universe answer is, they don't.  The plot device "we're out of transporter range" was invoked many times over the course of each series.

The real reason Star Trek has transporters at all is that Gene Roddenberry didn't have the VFX budget to portray the starship Enterprise landing on a planet.  Transporters may be based on (speculative) science ... but it was still mostly a way to cut down the costs of the show.


What about the newer movies? Wasn't that how they blew up Vulcan or something?
 
2017-10-02 01:14:22 PM  

noazark: The real reason Star Trek has transporters at all is that Gene Roddenberry didn't have the VFX budget to portray the starship Enterprise landing on a planet.


Which is actually more realistic, in the same way that navy ships don't go on land. Ships built in, and for, space stay in space. You need special skiffs or landing crafts to land on a planet. Or teleporters will do.
 
2017-10-02 01:16:46 PM  
I for one am looking forward to a day when we don't work for money but rather a promotion in our military rank and a chance for a larger cabin assignment.
 
2017-10-02 01:25:54 PM  
So, I only watched the first episode...and was of the opinion that Burnham should spend the rest of her life in prison, never to be part of the show again.  Since I know that wasn't going to happen, I figured they were either going to go with the horribly clichéd "I know she's in prison, but she's the only person who..." storyline; or come up with something more clever (like she escapes, Hellbent on "fixing" what she screwed up, and the show becomes "convict helps win the war").

Looks like they went with the cliché...more convinced than ever that I'm not going to pay for this show.
 
2017-10-02 01:36:42 PM  
You mean an inverse tachyon pulse emitted from the main deflector dish won't repair an anti-time eruption?
 
2017-10-02 01:38:22 PM  
If you stopped the flow of electrical energy in your brain, you'd still be the same, physically

Well, no, you wouldn't. It's like saying that if you stop the sand from falling in an hour glass it is still the same physically, it just isn't recording the passage of time any longer.

And that seems reasonable when considered in the abstract, except that the only way to stop the sand from falling is if something physically changes withy he system. Block the hole, remove the sand, stick it in zero gravity. Lots of ways to do it, but they all require some kind of physical change.
 
2017-10-02 01:38:58 PM  
"Black Alert" ?

Also Cadet Anne of Greengable III. I thought Regie Barclay was annoying. Ugly redhead stepchild x 100000
 
2017-10-02 01:39:42 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: So, I only watched the first episode...and was of the opinion that Burnham should spend the rest of her life in prison, never to be part of the show again.  Since I know that wasn't going to happen, I figured they were either going to go with the horribly clichéd "I know she's in prison, but she's the only person who..." storyline; or come up with something more clever (like she escapes, Hellbent on "fixing" what she screwed up, and the show becomes "convict helps win the war").

Looks like they went with the cliché...more convinced than ever that I'm not going to pay for this show.


Falling upwards seems to be the recurring theme in this series and the Nu-Trek movies...
 
2017-10-02 01:44:34 PM  
Hey, I finally saw the first two episodes of STD (unfortunate acronym, lol) and I really enjoy the show.

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised.
 
2017-10-02 01:48:42 PM  

whidbey: Hey, I finally saw the first two episodes of STD (unfortunate acronym, lol) and I really enjoy the show.

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised.


Minor annoyances aside (failing upwards, etc) its not bad.

Not worth paying for yet another streaming service, but not bad.
 
2017-10-02 01:50:58 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: I for one am looking forward to a day when we don't work for money but rather a promotion in our military rank and a chance for a larger cabin assignment.


Don't forget name recognition. Oh, and it helps if your parents were close classmates/crewmembers with high-ranking admirals of the day.

Or if you happen to catch the attention of some high-ranking admiral during your time at the academy.
 
2017-10-02 01:52:34 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: So, I only watched the first episode...and was of the opinion that Burnham should spend the rest of her life in prison, never to be part of the show again.  Since I know that wasn't going to happen, I figured they were either going to go with the horribly clichéd "I know she's in prison, but she's the only person who..." storyline; or come up with something more clever (like she escapes, Hellbent on "fixing" what she screwed up, and the show becomes "convict helps win the war").

Looks like they went with the cliché...more convinced than ever that I'm not going to pay for this show.


So I....obtained a method to watch the rest. And you'll be surprised.

After eps 3, I actually like this show. More than I thought I would....
 
2017-10-02 02:07:35 PM  

rummonkey: Not worth paying for yet another streaming service, but not bad


TORRENTS

Telos: (Don't know about discovery, I'm not paying to watch it...)


TORRENTS

Man I thought Americans were supposed to be switched on and knowledgeable about basic internet things ...
 
2017-10-02 02:10:41 PM  

Fano: noazark: Fano: If teleporters have infinite range why would you need starships?

The in-universe answer is, they don't.  The plot device "we're out of transporter range" was invoked many times over the course of each series.

The real reason Star Trek has transporters at all is that Gene Roddenberry didn't have the VFX budget to portray the starship Enterprise landing on a planet.  Transporters may be based on (speculative) science ... but it was still mostly a way to cut down the costs of the show.

What about the newer movies? Wasn't that how they blew up Vulcan or something?


Yeah, transporters have limited range, until the plot needs them to have MUCH GREATER range. They usually do some explanation of this in the show, like "So and so figured out a way to make the transporters work over a range of light years!" or something.

Which is fine. But...it's immediately forgotten. Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again.

That's why I like "The Culture" series by Iain M. Banks. It has all the crazy "Trek" technology, but it's actually used in realistic ways.

/if you haven't read any of "The Culture" books, do so now. It's easily the greatest science-fiction series of all-time
 
2017-10-02 02:12:39 PM  

festus: rummonkey: Not worth paying for yet another streaming service, but not bad

TORRENTS

Telos: (Don't know about discovery, I'm not paying to watch it...)

TORRENTS

Man I thought Americans were supposed to be switched on and knowledgeable about basic internet things ...


Depends on whether CBS is as much of a hardass about torrenting as HBO is.
 
2017-10-02 02:14:02 PM  

realmolo: Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again


Happens a fair bit in sci-fi, and especially Star Trek shows.

Remember when the replacement doctor for Beverly Crusher suddenly got all super old and was close to dying, when someone (Data maybe) decided that if they could find some of her original DNA when she wasn't all super old, and put that, and her, into the transporter, she'd be all OK again.

Cue Riker and Data finding some hair on a hairbrush of hers, and presto: the transporter could mix that DNA with her super old 'n busted DNA, and she was all fine again.

Um ... MAJOR DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY THERE GUYS  .... and so how were important yet super old people all over the galaxy not immediately transported back to their mid 30s again, to keep on being super important?!
 
2017-10-02 02:15:40 PM  

whidbey: festus: rummonkey: Not worth paying for yet another streaming service, but not bad

TORRENTS

Telos: (Don't know about discovery, I'm not paying to watch it...)

TORRENTS

Man I thought Americans were supposed to be switched on and knowledgeable about basic internet things ...

Depends on whether CBS is as much of a hardass about torrenting as HBO is.


No broadcasted show is immune to someone recording it and uploading it. Sure, the guys who do that with pay sites and networks pay for it, but it happens for EVERY show. And, movie.

I've been watching it via Torrents since the first ep. I watch everything via Torrents. Nothing is immune to it.
 
2017-10-02 02:16:08 PM  

festus: realmolo: Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again

Happens a fair bit in sci-fi, and especially Star Trek shows.

Remember when the replacement doctor for Beverly Crusher suddenly got all super old and was close to dying, when someone (Data maybe) decided that if they could find some of her original DNA when she wasn't all super old, and put that, and her, into the transporter, she'd be all OK again.

Cue Riker and Data finding some hair on a hairbrush of hers, and presto: the transporter could mix that DNA with her super old 'n busted DNA, and she was all fine again.

Um ... MAJOR DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY THERE GUYS  .... and so how were important yet super old people all over the galaxy not immediately transported back to their mid 30s again, to keep on being super important?!


Well they did get rid of her at the end of Season 2...
 
2017-10-02 02:16:18 PM  

festus: rummonkey: Not worth paying for yet another streaming service, but not bad

TORRENTS

Telos: (Don't know about discovery, I'm not paying to watch it...)

TORRENTS

Man I thought Americans were supposed to be switched on and knowledgeable about basic internet things ...


Yes, but we're also very lazy. Plus my experience with torrenting is that most of the time I get to 99% of the file and all the seeders with that last 1% disappear.

(Eventually I'll ask my friend for it and he'll give me a thumb drive full of this and half a dozen other shows.)
 
2017-10-02 02:17:37 PM  

festus: I watch everything via Torrents.


Not Game of Thrones, you don't.

They farking hijacked my browser and everything before sending nasty e-mails the next day.

But--iIf you're some Super Internet VPN dude, I salute you.
 
2017-10-02 02:22:23 PM  

whidbey: festus: I watch everything via Torrents.

Not Game of Thrones, you don't.

They farking hijacked my browser and everything before sending nasty e-mails the next day.

But--iIf you're some Super Internet VPN dude, I salute you.


Game of Thrones is the highest torrented show of all time. And, HBO got their sorry asses hacked for a few eps ahead of time, over two seasons.

I watched every ep of GoT without a hitch via Torrents.

"Super Internet VPN dude"? Um ... if you find you need to get around nasty letters from your ISP, putting a VPN program on your computer just like any other program ... you get a VPN (there are a LOT of them out there now, available), you flick a switch, presto you're 'virtually' in Norway, and things work without a hitch.

Then when you're not downloading torrents, you flick that switch again, and presto: you're back to your normal net connection.
 
2017-10-02 02:23:30 PM  

Telos: Plus my experience with torrenting is that most of the time I get to 99% of the file and all the seeders with that last 1% disappear.


That has never happened to me. Ever. And I download a LOT of things.
 
2017-10-02 02:24:10 PM  

festus: you get a VPN (there are a LOT of them out there now, available)


free?
 
2017-10-02 02:24:15 PM  

festus: rummonkey: Not worth paying for yet another streaming service, but not bad

TORRENTS

Telos: (Don't know about discovery, I'm not paying to watch it...)

TORRENTS

Man I thought Americans were supposed to be switched on and knowledgeable about basic internet things ...


I'm old fashioned. Give the creative team their due. I don't torrent.

If I use an online service I have paid for it.

I was only able to see the second episode because I was at a friend's house for that one.
 
2017-10-02 02:24:51 PM  

festus: realmolo: Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again

Happens a fair bit in sci-fi, and especially Star Trek shows.

Remember when the replacement doctor for Beverly Crusher suddenly got all super old and was close to dying, when someone (Data maybe) decided that if they could find some of her original DNA when she wasn't all super old, and put that, and her, into the transporter, she'd be all OK again.

Cue Riker and Data finding some hair on a hairbrush of hers, and presto: the transporter could mix that DNA with her super old 'n busted DNA, and she was all fine again.

Um ... MAJOR DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY THERE GUYS  .... and so how were important yet super old people all over the galaxy not immediately transported back to their mid 30s again, to keep on being super important?!


That might actually have something to do with some kind of don't-mess-with-natural-human-lifespan law similar to the don't-modify-human-genetics-to-make-supermen law.

Hell if you think about it, you can just leave a copy of yourself in the transporter and, after you die, resurrect that copy of you.

If they have genius-savants that they'd like to keep working forever to invent new stuff, you'd figure some admiral would set that up.
 
2017-10-02 02:28:44 PM  

RexTalionis: Uh, no shiat. This has been true of Star Trek since September, 1966.
Did you think a warp drive made for believable science fiction? Or the transporter?


The fundamental problem with the warp drive (other than you know, magically increasing speed by means other than increasing momentum) is that it effectively allows time travel.  But the Trekverse has allowed the past to be changed since TOS, so it isn't as bad as most of the rest of the science fantasy.

This shows up more in SF literature, where an author might even care about getting the science right.  Good luck finding a director/producer that won't fark up everything.
 
2017-10-02 02:29:10 PM  

whidbey: festus: you get a VPN (there are a LOT of them out there now, available)

free?


There are ways to get a free one. But for a really low price of $3 a month for some VPNs, that cost is rapidly covered by how many free shows you can get, and avoid the cost of paid networks and streaming services.

rummonkey: I'm old fashioned. Give the creative team their due. I don't torrent


The pay networks still run commercials during shows ... so they're making assloads of money hand over fist .... AND they have the nerve to charge you on top of that? I have no issues with picking a few nickels out of their pockets when they're getting truckloads of advertising dollars for shows.
 
2017-10-02 02:37:30 PM  

festus: rummonkey: Not worth paying for yet another streaming service, but not bad

TORRENTS

Telos: (Don't know about discovery, I'm not paying to watch it...)

TORRENTS

Man I thought Americans were supposed to be switched on and knowledgeable about basic internet things ...


They also think that they live in the greatest democracy on Earth, so don't get your hopes up.
 
2017-10-02 02:41:03 PM  

Valiente: festus: rummonkey: Not worth paying for yet another streaming service, but not bad

TORRENTS

Telos: (Don't know about discovery, I'm not paying to watch it...)

TORRENTS

Man I thought Americans were supposed to be switched on and knowledgeable about basic internet things ...

They also think that they live in the greatest democracy on Earth, so don't get your hopes up.


I know you're being snarky, but you do realize that none of us would ever "vote" on gun control, that it has to ultimately be a Supreme Court Ruling?

You're welcome.
 
2017-10-02 02:41:31 PM  
Shiat. Wrong thread.

Sort of.

Yeah the shooting's got to me too.
 
2017-10-02 02:42:08 PM  

festus: Telos: Plus my experience with torrenting is that most of the time I get to 99% of the file and all the seeders with that last 1% disappear.

That has never happened to me. Ever. And I download a LOT of things.


I don't believe you. My college roommate actually contributed to writing the software for one of the torrent clients and it happened to him all the time too.

I have money now, I can buy things. I'd just rather buy another beer each month than pay to watch one TV show.

And again, I'll just get it on a thumb drive eventually.
 
2017-10-02 02:45:42 PM  

festus: realmolo: Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again

Happens a fair bit in sci-fi, and especially Star Trek shows.

Remember when the replacement doctor for Beverly Crusher suddenly got all super old and was close to dying, when someone (Data maybe) decided that if they could find some of her original DNA when she wasn't all super old, and put that, and her, into the transporter, she'd be all OK again.

Cue Riker and Data finding some hair on a hairbrush of hers, and presto: the transporter could mix that DNA with her super old 'n busted DNA, and she was all fine again.

Um ... MAJOR DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY THERE GUYS  .... and so how were important yet super old people all over the galaxy not immediately transported back to their mid 30s again, to keep on being super important?!


It wasn't even finding some DNA, their original age patterns were stored in the transporter records. Yes, though, they literally created the fountain of youth with that trick and completely ignored it after. Hell, not just aging... dying from a grievous wound? We'll just beam you using the stored pattern before we beamed you down!
 
2017-10-02 02:48:26 PM  

Telos: festus: Telos: Plus my experience with torrenting is that most of the time I get to 99% of the file and all the seeders with that last 1% disappear.

That has never happened to me. Ever. And I download a LOT of things.

I don't believe you. My college roommate actually contributed to writing the software for one of the torrent clients and it happened to him all the time too.

I have money now, I can buy things. I'd just rather buy another beer each month than pay to watch one TV show.

And again, I'll just get it on a thumb drive eventually.


Believe what you want, but I'm not lying. It sounds like what you're talking about is a scenario that happened when torrenting first started out ... many years ago. Napster and all that ... it hasn't happened in years, for me.

Not entirely sure what you mean with your beer analogy. You will watch lots of shows on a paid streaming or network service ....

If you start torrenting, you can stop paying for every paid network and streaming service - your only cost for entertainment is your net connection - and a very cheap VPN if you need it.
 
2017-10-02 02:52:14 PM  

Telos: festus: realmolo: Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again

Happens a fair bit in sci-fi, and especially Star Trek shows.

Remember when the replacement doctor for Beverly Crusher suddenly got all super old and was close to dying, when someone (Data maybe) decided that if they could find some of her original DNA when she wasn't all super old, and put that, and her, into the transporter, she'd be all OK again.

Cue Riker and Data finding some hair on a hairbrush of hers, and presto: the transporter could mix that DNA with her super old 'n busted DNA, and she was all fine again.

Um ... MAJOR DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY THERE GUYS  .... and so how were important yet super old people all over the galaxy not immediately transported back to their mid 30s again, to keep on being super important?!

It wasn't even finding some DNA, their original age patterns were stored in the transporter records. Yes, though, they literally created the fountain of youth with that trick and completely ignored it after. Hell, not just aging... dying from a grievous wound? We'll just beam you using the stored pattern before we beamed you down!


Too true!

In fact the whole idea of the transporter, and the holodeck, and food replicators ... those three things were like HOLY shiat WOW things that should have kept people in that 'era' amazed and astounded.

Seriously ... beam down to planets, or over to other ships, or to different rooms on your OWN ship!? Or make holodeck programs where you're Hugh Hefner in orgies on every break from work? Or speak to a computer and get unbelievably great food in a nano-second?
 
2017-10-02 03:00:06 PM  

imgod2u: festus: realmolo: Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again

Happens a fair bit in sci-fi, and especially Star Trek shows.

Remember when the replacement doctor for Beverly Crusher suddenly got all super old and was close to dying, when someone (Data maybe) decided that if they could find some of her original DNA when she wasn't all super old, and put that, and her, into the transporter, she'd be all OK again.

Cue Riker and Data finding some hair on a hairbrush of hers, and presto: the transporter could mix that DNA with her super old 'n busted DNA, and she was all fine again.

Um ... MAJOR DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY THERE GUYS  .... and so how were important yet super old people all over the galaxy not immediately transported back to their mid 30s again, to keep on being super important?!

That might actually have something to do with some kind of don't-mess-with-natural-human-lifespan law similar to the don't-modify-human-genetics-to-make-supermen law.

Hell if you think about it, you can just leave a copy of yourself in the transporter and, after you die, resurrect that copy of you.

If they have genius-savants that they'd like to keep working forever to invent new stuff, you'd figure some admiral would set that up.


I think the problem is they ended up having some sort of war after a transporter malfunction started spewing out clones, and people agreed that Clone Wars are awful.
 
2017-10-02 03:01:11 PM  

Telos: festus: Telos: Plus my experience with torrenting is that most of the time I get to 99% of the file and all the seeders with that last 1% disappear.

That has never happened to me. Ever. And I download a LOT of things.

I don't believe you. My college roommate actually contributed to writing the software for one of the torrent clients and it happened to him all the time too.

I have money now, I can buy things. I'd just rather buy another beer each month than pay to watch one TV show.

And again, I'll just get it on a thumb drive eventually.


I'm with ya, although that was my experience back in the Napster/Kazaa days.
 
2017-10-02 03:03:38 PM  

festus: Telos: festus: realmolo: Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again

Happens a fair bit in sci-fi, and especially Star Trek shows.

Remember when the replacement doctor for Beverly Crusher suddenly got all super old and was close to dying, when someone (Data maybe) decided that if they could find some of her original DNA when she wasn't all super old, and put that, and her, into the transporter, she'd be all OK again.

Cue Riker and Data finding some hair on a hairbrush of hers, and presto: the transporter could mix that DNA with her super old 'n busted DNA, and she was all fine again.

Um ... MAJOR DISCOVERY OF THE CENTURY THERE GUYS  .... and so how were important yet super old people all over the galaxy not immediately transported back to their mid 30s again, to keep on being super important?!

It wasn't even finding some DNA, their original age patterns were stored in the transporter records. Yes, though, they literally created the fountain of youth with that trick and completely ignored it after. Hell, not just aging... dying from a grievous wound? We'll just beam you using the stored pattern before we beamed you down!

Too true!

In fact the whole idea of the transporter, and the holodeck, and food replicators ... those three things were like HOLY shiat WOW things that should have kept people in that 'era' amazed and astounded.

Seriously ... beam down to planets, or over to other ships, or to different rooms on your OWN ship!? Or make holodeck programs where you're Hugh Hefner in orgies on every break from work? Or speak to a computer and get unbelievably great food in a nano-second?


The only one of those I did not have a problem with was the food replicator. People were complaining on screen all the time that replicated food just isn't the same, and they were constituted up from some sort of base food matter into the cheeseburger, characters would go through great pains to mention that its not the same as corn-fed Iowa beef.

img.fark.net
 
2017-10-02 03:03:52 PM  
Forbes link.  Not even once.
 
2017-10-02 03:08:51 PM  

Ishkur: noazark: The real reason Star Trek has transporters at all is that Gene Roddenberry didn't have the VFX budget to portray the starship Enterprise landing on a planet.

Which is actually more realistic, in the same way that navy ships don't go on land. Ships built in, and for, space stay in space. You need special skiffs or landing crafts to land on a planet. Or teleporters will do.


And they attempted to do so with shuttlecradt. But the shuttlecraft model was not completed in time, so they did "why not just teleport them"?
 
2017-10-02 03:11:10 PM  

realmolo: Fano: noazark: Fano: If teleporters have infinite range why would you need starships?

The in-universe answer is, they don't.  The plot device "we're out of transporter range" was invoked many times over the course of each series.

The real reason Star Trek has transporters at all is that Gene Roddenberry didn't have the VFX budget to portray the starship Enterprise landing on a planet.  Transporters may be based on (speculative) science ... but it was still mostly a way to cut down the costs of the show.

What about the newer movies? Wasn't that how they blew up Vulcan or something?

Yeah, transporters have limited range, until the plot needs them to have MUCH GREATER range. They usually do some explanation of this in the show, like "So and so figured out a way to make the transporters work over a range of light years!" or something.

Which is fine. But...it's immediately forgotten. Wouldn't EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY want to pursue the technology that allows unlimited (or at least, greatly expanded) transporter range? Yes, they would. But you never hear about it again.

That's why I like "The Culture" series by Iain M. Banks. It has all the crazy "Trek" technology, but it's actually used in realistic ways.

/if you haven't read any of "The Culture" books, do so now. It's easily the greatest science-fiction series of all-time


Outside of the 2009 film have they done that? Sure they would find ways to extend the range at times, but the only one over lightyears that I recall was Scotty in "Star Trek".

There is this technology they are tying to develop on a discovery but it clearly doesn't actually work. At least not yet.
 
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  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

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