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(Gizmodo)   "What if we just turned the hurricanes into electricity??" Oh honestly, what ignorant boob imagines thi-- Neil DeGrasse Tyson??? Is that YOU???   ( gizmodo.com) divider line
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2017-10-02 10:43:35 AM  
4 votes:
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2017-10-02 12:55:35 PM  
3 votes:
""Where are the engineers and scientists saying, you know, instead of running away from the city that's about to be destroyed by this hurricane, let me figure out a way to tap the cyclonic energy of this hurricane to drive the power needs of the city that it's otherwise going to destroy?"

We're working real jobs instead of living in academia and off the punditry circuit.
2017-10-02 11:34:01 AM  
2 votes:

mjjt: An interesting thought expt bc if you could somehow use the winds as a source of energy it implies that that would reduce the strength of the winds.

Obviously not in realms of present day tech, but how would you do it? Macro scale - large heavy duty wind turbines? or micro scale - lots of small drones?


Build a bunch of really big armored floating islands equipped with giant turbines, immense batteries and/or undersea electrical cables, massive sea anchors, and some form of motive power so they could (slowly) move. Deploy them in the mid-Atlantic or other places where they would be likely to intercept hurricanes. Being a worker on one of those would be a hell of a job. There's some good SF novel material there, as well.
2017-10-02 10:46:11 AM  
2 votes:
Well, Gates, et al, didn't come up with the hydrothermal idea, but at least he's trying.

Still, for all we know the consequences of not having hurricanes could be worse than the consequences of having them.
2017-10-02 09:50:35 AM  
2 votes:
Find a way to tap into the thermal energy that fuels the hurricanes.  Problem solved.  Free energy, no hurricanes.
2017-10-02 07:55:54 AM  
2 votes:
Hey if you can figure out how to do it all the more power to you
2017-10-02 07:11:34 AM  
2 votes:
Considering humans haven't really been able to make and maintain the regular infrastructure needed for modern living, getting something strong enough and stable enough to use the energy of a hurricane would be a bit of a reach.  Making it cost effective?  Yeah right.

Did see one NOVA special on some guy up in Canada researching how tornadoes possibly could be used as electricity generators, but that's a bit more problematic.  But the research is being done.
2017-10-02 01:13:36 AM  
2 votes:
An interesting thought expt bc if you could somehow use the winds as a source of energy it implies that that would reduce the strength of the winds.

Obviously not in realms of present day tech, but how would you do it? Macro scale - large heavy duty wind turbines? or micro scale - lots of small drones?
2017-10-03 10:55:00 AM  
1 vote:
There's still the question of how to store the potential however and then move it from where there's surplus to where its needed
2017-10-02 11:45:05 PM  
1 vote:
Is this how you jump the shark after getting a planet demoted and it makes your head too big?
2017-10-02 06:30:07 PM  
1 vote:
Easy enough. Just figure out how to extract heat at a distance. Then scale up. How hard can it be?
2017-10-02 04:30:54 PM  
1 vote:

WelldeadLink: Splinthar: Also the bigger issue is what do you do with the zetajoules of energy you harvest from a hurricane?  Blow up the moon?  Create a spirit bomb and show Vegeta he's a whiny ho?

You threaten to wreck the power grid with it if they don't pay you a MILLION DOLLARS!


/whisper: sir, its 2017, a million dollars is actually a really small amount to utility companies.
2017-10-02 11:53:23 AM  
1 vote:

sunderland56: Why would you want to generate electricity during a hurricane? Everyone's power is out anyway.


You'd make an awful Bond villain.
2017-10-02 11:42:28 AM  
1 vote:
Why would you want to generate electricity during a hurricane? Everyone's power is out anyway.
2017-10-02 11:38:49 AM  
1 vote:

kayanlau: Provided that we can build a wind generator that can withstand +200mph winds year after year and not flinch, and actually make ROI with said structures. Not to me ruin the amount of batteries needed to store all the extra electricity. Yeah sure.


Again, your ROI has to include the foregone opportunity cost of not having to spend billions rebuilding cities hit by uncontrolled hurricanes.

But then again, what is the environmental cost of stopping a hurricane? Seriously, hurricanes exist for reasons. harlee is sure that some of them involve the necessity of moving energy around on the Earth.
2017-10-02 11:34:52 AM  
1 vote:
So a stupid idea becomes less stuipd if a celebrity says it?
Good to know.
2017-10-02 10:40:23 AM  
1 vote:
SpaceyCat: Considering humans haven't really been able to make and maintain the regular infrastructure needed for modern living

That's not an engineering problem. That's a problem of governance -- regulation and planning. The problem with market forces is that economics doesn't care about what's good for people, only what's good for money, in a sense.

When I moved to Florida, many years ago, I was struck by how strange it is that in this country we build essentially the same houses in Anchorage and in Orlando, and pretty much everywhere else. There are differences, but from an engineering standpoint they're extremely minor differences -- and extremely insufficient ones.

But when I lived in Florida, I learned that the infrastructure there, especially housing, is meant to be destroyed by the weather. Florida doesn't have a state income tax because its economy has a couple of major 'strange' factors: tourism and federal disaster relief. It relies on rebuilding shiatty structures that tend to be damaged by storms.

We could build concrete dome housing, or even just reinforced homes with different roof structures. We could manage water channels and flood zones better. We could avoid widespread home destruction in wildfires. It would, in fact, be far cheaper than rebuilding endlessly.

But cheaper and better is not what the economy runs on, and public policy follows the money.
2017-10-02 10:11:03 AM  
1 vote:

indy_kid: Find a way to tap into the thermal energy that fuels the hurricanes.  Problem solved.  Free energy, no hurricanes.


Or maybe just blast that g*ddamn butterfly on the coast of West Africa with a shotgun before the whole thing gets started.

/ no energy gained, though
// Obscure?
2017-10-02 09:52:23 AM  
1 vote:

American-Irish eyes: kayanlau: Provided that we can build a wind generator that can withstand +200mph winds year after year and not flinch, and actually make ROI with said structures. Not to me ruin the amount of batteries needed to store all the extra electricity. Yeah sure.

This would require a predictable path year in and year out.


Fleets of roll on/roll off trailers loaded with (a) a battery box (which would be weighty enough not to be pushed around by hurricane-force winds; maybe outriggers too) with (b) omni-directional ("egg beater", not pivoting propellers) wind turbines mounted on top. Drive into the projected path, drop off, set up, skedaddle, come back afterwards for a trailer full of electricity. Huge investment in materials for low return, but it would look cool.
2017-10-02 09:37:47 AM  
1 vote:

ArcadianRefugee: Great: 400-mile wide whorl of lightning.

Imagine that creeping across the Atlantic and headed straight for where you live:

[orig08.deviantart.net image 800x589]

No wind, but everything's been charred flat.


The Asylumn will have that film on Syfy by the weekend.
2017-10-02 09:34:56 AM  
1 vote:
Let us assume, just for sake of argument, that we actually can find a means of doing this.

Think of what will happen to the coal companies. Is cheap, clean energy really worth the loss of those CEO bonuses?
2017-10-02 07:35:56 AM  
1 vote:
Thats how we got Highlander 2.
2017-10-02 07:17:37 AM  
1 vote:

ArcadianRefugee: Great: 400-mile wide whorl of lightning.

Imagine that creeping across the Atlantic and headed straight for where you live:

[orig08.deviantart.net image 800x589]

No wind, but everything's been charred flat.


It would often be heading for Florida. You DON'T want to be giving many of those people superpowers.
2017-10-02 06:42:05 AM  
1 vote:
Sure......... but HOW? That's kind of important. If you had the power to do it you probably would be advanced enough not to need to.
 
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