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2017-10-01 04:57:10 PM  
I'd like to see a full postmortem on this when it's over to get all of the facts and a timeline. We're only getting bits and pieces right now, and it's heavily politicized.

That said, Trump's messaging was abysmal, and once again he's created his own political problems.
 
2017-10-01 05:29:23 PM  
So, is THIS Obama's Katrina?
 
2017-10-01 05:44:30 PM  

make me some tea: I'd like to see a full postmortem on this when it's over to get all of the facts and a timeline. We're only getting bits and pieces right now, and it's heavily politicized.

That said, Trump's messaging was abysmal, and once again he's created his own political problems.


Good Boobies.
An operational review is standard. It may or may not be made public though.
trump  is his own worst enemy and the people he hires don't do him any favors at any level.

I would like to say that a Navy Captain is not exactly on par with  two Lt. Generals.
Lt. Gen.  Honore who was called in during the Katrina debacle. and
Lt. Gen. Buchanan, head of head of North Command's Joint Force Land Component Command.

I found the article to be soft on response, timing and political will/ motivation but some of the points were valid.
 
2017-10-01 05:53:01 PM  
The general sense that I've had is that the Feds are happy to sit back and let PR lead the response, playing a supporting role instead of a leadership role.

The people who praise the Fed's efforts agree with that approach.  We did what the Governor asked of us.  We got the asked for supplies to the ports.  We fixed the airport as requested.  It's all costing a lot of money, so you better be grateful about it.  The Governor of PR falls into this camp, apparently.  The Feds are letting him lead and he likes it... for now.  He may regret that later.

The people who are aghast with the Fed's efforts believe that the situation on the ground is too serious and the local government too overwhelmed for the Feds to take a supporting role.  The lives of American citizens are at risk, and the Feds are like "give me a call if you need anything".  The Mayor of San Juan falls into this camp.  She needs the cavalry and they aren't showing up.

Could the cavalry have shown up in time?  Absolutely, according to Stars and Stripes.  The General who ran Haiti says we could have moved a LOT faster, if given the mission to do so by the President.  With Haiti, Obama felt the US had a chance to show its moral character, and ordered a strong response immediately.

What do I believe?  I believe that PR also offered Trump a chance to show his & our moral character, and in response he did the bare minimum that was asked, and expected to get praised for it.  And that's what people will remember about this county and this disaster in years to come.  We do the minimum, lives be damned, and you better be grateful for it.
 
2017-10-01 06:48:02 PM  
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2017-10-01 06:48:57 PM  
Trump didn't botch this at all: he's fired up his base by putting the lives of 3.5 million minorities at risk.
 
2017-10-01 06:49:16 PM  
Trump is a dumb racist coont. Of course he's going to cock it up.
 
2017-10-01 06:52:10 PM  
Just going to say that the partisan poo flinging contest and misinformation serves only to belittle the efforts of the men and women currently administering aid to Puerto Rico and obfusticates the situation. Trump is a horrible person and his Twitter feuds are ridiculous, but can we please put the bullshiat politics behind and acknowledge that there are a large contingent of people helping Puerto Rico and identify what the ACTUAL state of affairs is. I am so sick and tired of Trump being the center of the conversation. Don't let him be. He is the a Grade A Troll and taking the bait diminishes all of those trying to make the world a better place. I don't give a fark what Trump says or does anymore.
 
2017-10-01 06:53:03 PM  

nrdgrl: So, is THIS Obama's Katrina?


No, this is Obama's Maria. Why hasn't he done anything yet?  Last I heard he was pal'in around with Prince Harry at some sporting event where he forced everyone to kneel and pray to Allah when the National Anthem was played.  Typical behavior from the empty-suit dictator-for-life.
 
2017-10-01 06:53:34 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Just going to say that the partisan poo flinging contest and misinformation serves only to belittle the efforts of the men and women currently administering aid to Puerto Rico and obfusticates the situation. Trump is a horrible person and his Twitter feuds are ridiculous, but can we please put the bullshiat politics behind and acknowledge that there are a large contingent of people helping Puerto Rico and identify what the ACTUAL state of affairs is. I am so sick and tired of Trump being the center of the conversation. Don't let him be. He is the a Grade A Troll and taking the bait diminishes all of those trying to make the world a better place. I don't give a fark what Trump says or does anymore.


The actual state of affairs is that PR needs considerably more manpower in support of recovery efforts and the man that could make that happen is too busy attacking people on Twitter.
 
2017-10-01 06:54:51 PM  
Just the fact that he is claiming that they "need to help themselves" just shows that he A) has no grasp of what 3 + million people without power means and B) has no idea that they just can't drive over to the next city and grab a couple of cases of water and get back to work and thinks it's because they are too lazy or are waiting for someone to do it for them.

They are literally the biblical definition of "the least of my brothers"
 
2017-10-01 06:55:04 PM  

make me some tea: I'd like to see a full postmortem on this when it's over to get all of the facts and a timeline. We're only getting bits and pieces right now, and it's heavily politicized.

That said, Trump's messaging was abysmal, and once again he's created his own political problems.


Trump's message was "Waaaahhhh, they're being nasty to me and don't appreciate how much I've done for them, even though they're lazy and owe me money!  The liberal democrats and the fake media are behind it!"

That's leadership in the face of adversity to the GOP.
 
2017-10-01 06:55:05 PM  
Kind of a thread jack, but did anyone else see Trump dedicate a trophy to Puerto Rico? He was also
saying something about charity money, but it hasn't been made clear yet. Is the 170 million going to Puerto Rico, or is this a Marie Antoinette for Trump and instead of cake he gave them a participation trophy?
 
2017-10-01 06:55:32 PM  
Still botching, BTW
 
2017-10-01 06:56:12 PM  
img.fark.net

"Do I look like a guy with a plan?"
 
2017-10-01 06:57:10 PM  

"A Q&A with former Navy Captain Jerry Hendrix on smart preparations the White House and Pentagon made for the looming storm."


One of Hendrix' quotes from the article was: "There's a White House over yonder, that's where the dotard stays."

Or: "Hey, Trump, where you going with that open Twitter app in your hand?"

 
2017-10-01 06:57:41 PM  
Ya know, if he just done his dang job....
 
2017-10-01 06:57:42 PM  

make me some tea: I'd like to see a full postmortem on this when it's over to get all of the facts and a timeline. We're only getting bits and pieces right now, and it's heavily politicized.

That said, Trump's messaging was abysmal, and once again he's created his own political problems.


Regardless of whatever else comes out about things, the dude went on a weekend golfing trip while American citizens were dying.  There's no other way to view that than "botched."
 
2017-10-01 06:57:56 PM  

make me some tea: That said, Trump's messaging was abysmal, and once again he's created his own political problems.


Indeed, his Twitter account is the biggest piece of evidence against him in this.  By his own words he's got a VERY bad attitude over this whole mess.  No matter what the actual situation on the ground is, he's certainly botched how he communicates this to the American people.

He just cant STFU, can he?
 
2017-10-01 06:58:38 PM  

Psychohazard: Trump didn't botch this at all: he's fired up his base by putting the lives of 3.5 million minorities at risk.


Yep, and he's divided the NFL and this country.

I know everyone keeps saying he's a complete farking idiot, but he sure has a remarkable talent for destroying everything he touches.
 
2017-10-01 06:58:54 PM  

skinink: "A Q&A with former Navy Captain Jerry Hendrix on smart preparations the White House and Pentagon made for the looming storm."

One of Hendrix' quotes from the article was: "There's a White House over yonder, that's where the dotard stays."

Or: "Hey, Trump, where you going with that open Twitter app in your hand?"


'"cuse me while I tweet this guy"
 
2017-10-01 06:59:12 PM  

Teufelaffe: make me some tea: I'd like to see a full postmortem on this when it's over to get all of the facts and a timeline. We're only getting bits and pieces right now, and it's heavily politicized.

That said, Trump's messaging was abysmal, and once again he's created his own political problems.

Regardless of whatever else comes out about things, the dude went on a weekend golfing trip while American citizens were dying.  There's no other way to view that than "botched."


End of thread.
 
2017-10-01 06:59:30 PM  
Trump didn't botch the Puerto Rico crisis, he just experienced a massive alt-success. Bigly!
 
2017-10-01 07:00:54 PM  
I've seen a lot of attacks on the mayor of San Juan but nothing substantive about how she's messing up. Just comments on some dumb shirt and the fact that a single pallet of goods was behind her in one photograph.

I know that Puerto Rico is currently in a state of absolute duress and that we don't know how many are already dead and that many, many more are likely to die soon.

I know that it took a while for the president, who is the chief executive of the entire situation, was very slow in getting anything started and spent most of the intervening time complaining about sports players.

I figure that the right wing is desperate to get in front of this one because they know once the bill of the dead comes out it's going to look really sickening, maybe even putting the 1,800 dead from Katrina to shame. If they can't get this sufficiently blamed on the people on the ground, who were wiped out by this hurricane, the president may actually get severely impacted by this, because by all indications he was completely AWOL during this entire process, even going to golf this weekend instead of working to coordinate.
 
2017-10-01 07:01:38 PM  

Teufelaffe: make me some tea: I'd like to see a full postmortem on this when it's over to get all of the facts and a timeline. We're only getting bits and pieces right now, and it's heavily politicized.

That said, Trump's messaging was abysmal, and once again he's created his own political problems.

Regardless of whatever else comes out about things, the dude went on a weekend golfing trip while American citizens were dying.  There's no other way to view that than "botched."


Two weekends in a row, in fact.
 
2017-10-01 07:01:59 PM  
It's funny cause trump is dumb and can't do anything right.
 
2017-10-01 07:02:12 PM  
Trump sent some ships "from which large landing craft can be dispatched to shore carrying over 150 tons of water, food and other supplies on each trip."

That seems to be a very specific choice of wording.  Especially when the alternative would have been "We have delivered X tons of water, food, and supplies from these ships".

As for the hospital ship: "Given that there was no certainty where the hurricane would hit, it doesn't make sense to have readied her prior to its impact."

It would have seemed obvious to me that a hurricane would have hit somewhere, and that if you had it readied prior to landfall the worst that would happen is you could have provided more immediate aid to an island that wasn't an American possession.
 
2017-10-01 07:03:30 PM  
I was an idiot and went to free republic and almost unanimously they are all repeating stories about truck driver's unions refusing to drive and the mayor refusing to let supplies be delivered while wearing a shirt that they KNOW was given to her from antifa.
They are absolutely convinced this is a democratic plot. Not one word about donating or anything of that sort. Not one word.
I'm just beyond words.
 
2017-10-01 07:05:52 PM  

Aquapope: Teufelaffe: make me some tea: I'd like to see a full postmortem on this when it's over to get all of the facts and a timeline. We're only getting bits and pieces right now, and it's heavily politicized.

That said, Trump's messaging was abysmal, and once again he's created his own political problems.

Regardless of whatever else comes out about things, the dude went on a weekend golfing trip while American citizens were dying.  There's no other way to view that than "botched."

Two weekends in a row, in fact.


Can you believe that Obama is playing golf when there is a crisis going on? Sad.
 
2017-10-01 07:06:11 PM  
There's really only a handful of things a President personally has to do during a crisis, but leave it to Trump to screw every last one of them up.
 
2017-10-01 07:06:30 PM  

SomeAmerican: The general sense that I've had is that the Feds are happy to sit back and let PR lead the response, playing a supporting role instead of a leadership role.

The people who praise the Fed's efforts agree with that approach.  We did what the Governor asked of us.  We got the asked for supplies to the ports.  We fixed the airport as requested.  It's all costing a lot of money, so you better be grateful about it.  The Governor of PR falls into this camp, apparently.  The Feds are letting him lead and he likes it... for now.  He may regret that later.

The people who are aghast with the Fed's efforts believe that the situation on the ground is too serious and the local government too overwhelmed for the Feds to take a supporting role.  The lives of American citizens are at risk, and the Feds are like "give me a call if you need anything".  The Mayor of San Juan falls into this camp.  She needs the cavalry and they aren't showing up.

Could the cavalry have shown up in time?  Absolutely, according to Stars and Stripes.  The General who ran Haiti says we could have moved a LOT faster, if given the mission to do so by the President.  With Haiti, Obama felt the US had a chance to show its moral character, and ordered a strong response immediately.

What do I believe?  I believe that PR also offered Trump a chance to show his & our moral character, and in response he did the bare minimum that was asked, and expected to get praised for it.  And that's what people will remember about this county and this disaster in years to come.  We do the minimum, lives be damned, and you better be grateful for it.


Excellent.
A good observation of differing viewpoints.
 
2017-10-01 07:07:00 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Just going to say that the partisan poo flinging contest and misinformation serves only to belittle the efforts of the men and women currently administering aid to Puerto Rico and obfusticates the situation. Trump is a horrible person and his Twitter feuds are ridiculous, but can we please put the bullshiat politics behind and acknowledge that there are a large contingent of people helping Puerto Rico and identify what the ACTUAL state of affairs is. I am so sick and tired of Trump being the center of the conversation. Don't let him be. He is the a Grade A Troll and taking the bait diminishes all of those trying to make the world a better place. I don't give a fark what Trump says or does anymore.


So you don't care that Trump isn't doing more to send aid down to PR? And you don't care that he is trying to push NK into launching a pre-emptive strike that could kill hundreds of thousands?

Huh...
 
2017-10-01 07:08:23 PM  
Remember when a hurricane struck a major city that doesn't usually get hit by such extreme weather during Obama's presidency, and nothing came from it because Obama was a responsible president who saw that the necessary resources were organized and prepared for the worst case scenario? It really puts things in perspective when you consider Trump spent most of his time biatching about NFL players, unveiled he had no plan five days after the disaster hit, didn't lift the Jones Act until nine days later, started verbal altercations with the local politicians, and sprinkled on excuses about how Peurto Rico is too poor to help in between all of that.
 
2017-10-01 07:08:24 PM  

shroomgirl34: I was an idiot and went to free republic and almost unanimously they are all repeating stories about truck driver's unions refusing to drive and the mayor refusing to let supplies be delivered while wearing a shirt that they KNOW was given to her from antifa.
They are absolutely convinced this is a democratic plot. Not one word about donating or anything of that sort. Not one word.
I'm just beyond words.


It's easy to repeat the crap your friends are repeating. The mayor of San Juan is a stupid minority biatch. That sort of thing. But it's hard to keep doing it when hundreds of people are dead. Maybe even thousands. I think those tactics will fade, especially since Trump has basically hoisted the entire failure onto his shoulders with every Tweet and golf swing.
 
2017-10-01 07:08:35 PM  
See, it's all part of his "Good Cop, Bad Cop" strategy. He uses that on everything. He's the bad cop. You have to do a "Where's Waldo" to find the good cop, but it's there, I promise.
 
2017-10-01 07:08:57 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Regardless of whatever else comes out about things, the dude went on a weekend golfing trip while American citizens were dying. There's no other way to view that than "botched."

End of thread.


Yes. In the end the buck does stop there.
The tone and actions were quite inexcusable.
 
2017-10-01 07:08:59 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I figure that the right wing is desperate to get in front of this one because they know once the bill of the dead comes out it's going to look really sickening, maybe even putting the 1,800 dead from Katrina to shame. If they can't get this sufficiently blamed on the people on the ground, who were wiped out by this hurricane, the president may actually get severely impacted by this, because by all indications he was completely AWOL during this entire process, even going to golf this weekend instead of working to coordinate.


Any reports you may have heard about things being bad there are just fake news, even if it's literally video of people saying "We're starving and have no clean water. Cholera is spreading. My friend Jose shat himself inside out yesterday morning..." it's still fake, done on a sound stage, crisis actors. LIES!

The people down there are just fine, we're doing the best for them. The very best.

img.fark.net
 
2017-10-01 07:10:34 PM  
The failure isn't in the response now, it was in the planning stages before the storm even hit.  Yes, it's a logistical nightmare, but most of those problems were foreseeable and should've been planned for ahead of time so that the current delays in distribution wouldn't exist.

When Irma was bearing down on Florida extra fuel, power repair crews, road clearing equipment, and national guard vehicles were all ordered down into the state beforehand.  As I was driving north up I-75 to evacuate I passed multiple convoys of military vehicles, tanker trucks, ambulances, and other emergency crews traveling south to stage themselves for immediate response.

With Maria on track to hit Puerto Rico as a major hurricane the same should have been done in the days before impact - having fueled-up heavy equipment, generators, water, food, and fuel  already on the island in sheltered areas would have allowed for the roads to begin to be cleared as soon as the storm had passed.  

The response may be as good as it can be from a reactive stance, but the failure was that not enough was done proactively.
 
2017-10-01 07:11:21 PM  
Leftists (MSM/DNC) are trying to turn this into a political issue...  truly horrible given how many folks are in need of help.

Cowards who sit in their couch and complain about the job 5,000+ of our military men and women are doing in order to gain what?   A political edge?  WTF?

Leftists can sit around and biatch...  everyone else will solve the problem.  (As usual)
 
2017-10-01 07:11:33 PM  
Part of leadership is being an example of fortitude and resilience.  Expressing concern, compassion, hope.  Helping people get through a world of hell just by being visible and caring.

Trump is completely unqualified for any of that.
 
2017-10-01 07:11:57 PM  

Glitchwerks: Psychohazard: Trump didn't botch this at all: he's fired up his base by putting the lives of 3.5 million minorities at risk.

Yep, and he's divided the NFL and this country.

I know everyone keeps saying he's a complete farking idiot, but he sure has a remarkable talent for destroying everything he touches.


aaaaand thats how we know there hasn't been incest with Ivanka.
 
2017-10-01 07:12:56 PM  

skylabdown: Leftists (MSM/DNC) are trying to turn this into a political issue...  truly horrible given how many folks are in need of help.

Cowards who sit in their couch and complain about the job 5,000+ of our military men and women are doing in order to gain what?   A political edge?  WTF?

Leftists can sit around and biatch...  everyone else will solve the problem.  (As usual)


6 out of 10, nice try. It would have been 5 but I appreciate the restraint, using Leftists instead of libtards.
 
2017-10-01 07:13:08 PM  
 
2017-10-01 07:13:17 PM  

skylabdown: Leftists (MSM/DNC) are trying to turn this into a political issue...  truly horrible given how many folks are in need of help.

Cowards who sit in their couch and complain about the job 5,000+ of our military men and women are doing in order to gain what?   A political edge?  WTF?

Leftists can sit around and biatch...  everyone else will solve the problem.  (As usual)


I was wondering where all the agent orange had been
 
2017-10-01 07:15:43 PM  
All he had to do was stand up and say "Puerto Rico will get the help it needs from the U.S. government, including the U.S. military. I am putting General [whoever] in charge of this operation."

He could have then finished the back nine and gone to the clubhouse with the entire nation behind him.

We really need to look into why he couldn't bring himself to do that simple thing. Whatever demons are driving his behavior aren't even helping him look good. He's come out of this looking like an asshole and he's gained nothing for himself.

What the hell is his damage?
 
2017-10-01 07:16:31 PM  
I don't see why it should be America's responsibility to look after some socialist dictatorship like Peurto Rico. We only stopped embargoing them-something we shouldn't have done-a couple of years ago and now suddenly we have to help them because decades of communism has rat-farked their country?  Nuh-uh. No way. Maybe they should pray to Castro for help, since they don't believe in God, because our country certainly shouldn't have to help them!
 
2017-10-01 07:18:04 PM  

skylabdown: Leftists (MSM/DNC) are trying to turn this into a political issue...  truly horrible given how many folks are in need of help.

Cowards who sit in their couch and complain about the job 5,000+ of our military men and women are doing in order to gain what?   A political edge?  WTF?

Leftists can sit around and biatch...  everyone else will solve the problem.  (As usual)


You copy and pasted this from another thread, didn't you?
 
2017-10-01 07:18:17 PM  

skylabdown: Leftists lie constantly:


And righties are masters of projection.
 
2017-10-01 07:19:13 PM  

MattytheMouse: I don't see why it should be America's responsibility to look after some socialist dictatorship like Peurto Rico. We only stopped embargoing them-something we shouldn't have done-a couple of years ago and now suddenly we have to help them because decades of communism has rat-farked their country?  Nuh-uh. No way. Maybe they should pray to Castro for help, since they don't believe in God, because our country certainly shouldn't have to help them!


And we shouldn't be taking guff from Che, their mayor.
 
2017-10-01 07:20:29 PM  

skylabdown: Leftists lie constantly:

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet-another-major-russia-story-fal​ls-apart-is-skepticism-permissible-yet/


Deflection to another topic (and Glen Greenwald, no less). Sad!
 
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