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2017-10-01 12:08:53 PM  

FlashHarry: kbronsito: Aren't macs even more vulnerable, since idiots who think they are virus proof may neglect anti-virus software and conmon sense tips to prevent infection?

Macs are susceptible to trojans and other malware, just as any other platform is. This is because it's the user, not the machine, that is the key factor.

However, due to its inherently more secure OS, the Mac is currently much less susceptible to viruses - i.e. malicious code that can enter a computer without user intervention - if at all.

I've been running various versions of OS X for more than a decade with zero virus protection and have never had a single virus. I'm not saying it won't happen; I'm just saying it hasn't yet.


I was using virus in a layman way that includes all malicious software. But even if we split virus, trojan, malware... don't most antivirus software also check for a lot of malware and Trojans? When you say you have no AV, do you have nothing or do you run stuff like spybot and whatnot to specifically just target the malware/Trojan risks?
 
2017-10-01 12:25:34 PM  

Tyrosine: skozlaw: How did the whole "Mac" and "PC" nomenclature come about, anyway? If it's hardware, wouldn't the better comparison have been "Apple" and "IBM" or "Intel"? And why does it persist when it seems to now refer to "OSX" vs "Windows"?

It originated in the 80s when basically anyone could build PCs and their peripherals but Apple was super proprietary about their format. There was a time when if you owned an Apple computer you had to use an Apple HD, printer, etc. Other formats existed (Atari, Commodore, etc.) but PCs composed the majority of the market with Apple a very distant second. Apple's defense of this policy was that it was necessary to maintain quality and ensure the computers were easy to use (DOS based PCs were not exactly user friendly), however it can't be ignored that Apple computers and accessories were far more expensive than comparable PCs (for example, when I upgraded to a PC from my Atari in 1990 the comparable Apple was over 3 times the cost).

Prior to the iPod and iPhone this was a common description of Apple's proprietary strategy:

Arrogance
Produces
Profit
Losing
Entity


The same company sitting on hundreds of billions in cash, has no debt, and makes obscene profits every year.
 
2017-10-01 12:40:59 PM  
Same as it ever was
 
2017-10-01 12:41:17 PM  

Kit Fister: Tyrosine: skozlaw: How did the whole "Mac" and "PC" nomenclature come about, anyway? If it's hardware, wouldn't the better comparison have been "Apple" and "IBM" or "Intel"? And why does it persist when it seems to now refer to "OSX" vs "Windows"?

It originated in the 80s when basically anyone could build PCs and their peripherals but Apple was super proprietary about their format. There was a time when if you owned an Apple computer you had to use an Apple HD, printer, etc. Other formats existed (Atari, Commodore, etc.) but PCs composed the majority of the market with Apple a very distant second. Apple's defense of this policy was that it was necessary to maintain quality and ensure the computers were easy to use (DOS based PCs were not exactly user friendly), however it can't be ignored that Apple computers and accessories were far more expensive than comparable PCs (for example, when I upgraded to a PC from my Atari in 1990 the comparable Apple was over 3 times the cost).

Prior to the iPod and iPhone this was a common description of Apple's proprietary strategy:

Arrogance
Produces
Profit
Losing
Entity

The same company sitting on hundreds of billions in cash, has no debt, and makes obscene profits every year.


The bulk of that money was made selling phones and music players. When they were strictly a computer maker, at one point in the early '90s, they lost so much market share to Wintel machines, they farking near went under. They were so desperate they let Jobs come back, after having effectively booted him out of the company a few years previously.
 
2017-10-01 12:43:59 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Kit Fister: Tyrosine: skozlaw: How did the whole "Mac" and "PC" nomenclature come about, anyway? If it's hardware, wouldn't the better comparison have been "Apple" and "IBM" or "Intel"? And why does it persist when it seems to now refer to "OSX" vs "Windows"?

It originated in the 80s when basically anyone could build PCs and their peripherals but Apple was super proprietary about their format. There was a time when if you owned an Apple computer you had to use an Apple HD, printer, etc. Other formats existed (Atari, Commodore, etc.) but PCs composed the majority of the market with Apple a very distant second. Apple's defense of this policy was that it was necessary to maintain quality and ensure the computers were easy to use (DOS based PCs were not exactly user friendly), however it can't be ignored that Apple computers and accessories were far more expensive than comparable PCs (for example, when I upgraded to a PC from my Atari in 1990 the comparable Apple was over 3 times the cost).

Prior to the iPod and iPhone this was a common description of Apple's proprietary strategy:

Arrogance
Produces
Profit
Losing
Entity

The same company sitting on hundreds of billions in cash, has no debt, and makes obscene profits every year.

The bulk of that money was made selling phones and music players. When they were strictly a computer maker, at one point in the early '90s, they lost so much market share to Wintel machines, they farking near went under. They were so desperate they let Jobs come back, after having effectively booted him out of the company a few years previously.


And that matters, why? Given the prevalence of mobile devices in business these days, and the shift to mobile platforms for a *lot* of things, i think their early and strong establishment in the mobile market made absolute sense.  They make money where a lot of traditional computing companies are facing flagging computer sales.
 
2017-10-01 12:46:22 PM  

Kit Fister: forgotmydamnusername: Kit Fister: Tyrosine: skozlaw: How did the whole "Mac" and "PC" nomenclature come about, anyway? If it's hardware, wouldn't the better comparison have been "Apple" and "IBM" or "Intel"? And why does it persist when it seems to now refer to "OSX" vs "Windows"?

It originated in the 80s when basically anyone could build PCs and their peripherals but Apple was super proprietary about their format. There was a time when if you owned an Apple computer you had to use an Apple HD, printer, etc. Other formats existed (Atari, Commodore, etc.) but PCs composed the majority of the market with Apple a very distant second. Apple's defense of this policy was that it was necessary to maintain quality and ensure the computers were easy to use (DOS based PCs were not exactly user friendly), however it can't be ignored that Apple computers and accessories were far more expensive than comparable PCs (for example, when I upgraded to a PC from my Atari in 1990 the comparable Apple was over 3 times the cost).

Prior to the iPod and iPhone this was a common description of Apple's proprietary strategy:

Arrogance
Produces
Profit
Losing
Entity

The same company sitting on hundreds of billions in cash, has no debt, and makes obscene profits every year.

The bulk of that money was made selling phones and music players. When they were strictly a computer maker, at one point in the early '90s, they lost so much market share to Wintel machines, they farking near went under. They were so desperate they let Jobs come back, after having effectively booted him out of the company a few years previously.

And that matters, why? Given the prevalence of mobile devices in business these days, and the shift to mobile platforms for a *lot* of things, i think their early and strong establishment in the mobile market made absolute sense.  They make money where a lot of traditional computing companies are facing flagging computer sales.


Point of it flew waaay over your head, I guess. The post you were responding to referred to Apple's pre iPhone business model.
 
2017-10-01 12:58:52 PM  

veale728: Macs are just as vulnerable, yes. Windows machines have a higher likelihood of attacks though, because of the higher marker share


It has nothing to do with marker (sic) share.  Linux and Macs get the same number of attacks these days.  However - you are more likely to find an out of date Windows box than an out of date linux or Mac just due to historical reasons.

/so please stop pushing this fallacy
//these days you are more likely to find an out of date cable box to exploit than Windows
 
2017-10-01 01:13:42 PM  
I just built a PC to replace my decade-old imac, so i'm getting a kick out of this thread. It was half as expensive as a similarly-powered imac. windows 10 wasn't nearly as noxious as I expected.

i guess i could have build a "hackintosh" but i like stability

/seriously Apple, just release an upgradable non-crazy-expensive-"pro" computer, and I'll come running back.
//no one needs a "razor-thin" imac and all the compromises that entails.
 
2017-10-01 02:22:34 PM  
 
2017-10-01 02:23:16 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Who said Macs weren't vulnerable?  Only people I know who believed that were the ones who came to me to ask me to fix them while spouting that sales garbage.

Also, aren't Macs now really just underpowered as Fark?


I am still using my late 2011 15" MacBook Pro when I travel. I upgraded it with max possible RAM and a 1T drive. I'm upgrading to High Sierra even as I type. I also use my 4 year old iPad. At home I have a 2012 Mac Mini and. 2015 TimeCapsule. All are plenty powerful for most of what I do right now, which is image manipulation and website creation for my business. I've had really good luck with Macs lasting a long time, and I have owned a lot of them since 1987.
 
2017-10-01 02:32:39 PM  
theflatline:   The one company that really sold kits was HeathKit and even Zenith, but I never saw one in the wild.

My first home computer was the Heath H-89 'All-In-One'.  Built it from kit with a soldering iron.  It was their H-19 terminal kit with an extra CPU board, connectors for floppy controller and I/O port cards, and one internal floppy drive.  Built it, it worked first time, and I loved it.

Ran CP/M 2.2.  I had Microsoft Basic and Microsoft FORTRAN for it.  I later replaced it with Heathkit's H-241 (AT clone with a '286, and MS-DOS 2.2).  God, I miss Heathkit.

Heath had a firmware feature I wish to God everyone in the industry had adopted.  With their IBM-compatibles, they added a 'Monitor ROM' that had many nifty features, among which was a very simple user interface to let the user select not only which drive to boot from, but which partition on that drive to boot.  Dual booting that (or triple, or quad) was bulletproof.
 
2017-10-01 02:38:47 PM  

Tax Boy: I just built a PC to replace my decade-old imac, so i'm getting a kick out of this thread. It was half as expensive as a similarly-powered imac. windows 10 wasn't nearly as noxious as I expected.

i guess i could have build a "hackintosh" but i like stability

/seriously Apple, just release an upgradable non-crazy-expensive-"pro" computer, and I'll come running back.
//no one needs a "razor-thin" imac and all the compromises that entails.


That.  I'd love to use an Apple computer.  They seem to have a pretty good OS.  But I'll keep building custom until that day comes or buying Xeon workstations 2nd hand.

I've had good results with used HP Z series and Dell T series: under $600, plenty of room for upgrade, can run any OS including Hackintosh with the right GPU, and even the oldest ones are still competitive for gaming with the fastest processors (which cost under $100 a piece nowadays....I paid $125 for two x5687's....fastest available processor for that generation except for the rare x5698).  I'll take server grade parts and error controlled memory over the instability and extra speed with box store PC's and/or gaming parts (except for my GPU of course; gotta have a gaming GPU).
 
2017-10-01 02:50:38 PM  

theflatline: I think you just might be full of shiat.


This was a government project, all of the computers had hard disks. Were you even an embryo in the '80s?
 
2017-10-01 03:04:40 PM  

gingerjet: veale728: Macs are just as vulnerable, yes. Windows machines have a higher likelihood of attacks though, because of the higher marker share

It has nothing to do with marker (sic) share.  Linux and Macs get the same number of attacks these days.  However - you are more likely to find an out of date Windows box than an out of date linux or Mac just due to historical reasons.

/so please stop pushing this fallacy
//these days you are more likely to find an out of date cable box to exploit than Windows


Not really.

I work in a department in Apple that is based on Wireless Multi Media products(apple tv, routers, homekit) but we are part of a project called continuity.   Most of us started in IOS, then went to OS X, then to WMM.  The idea of us is for users who want all of their Apple gear to work as advertised(working together), so they do not have to be transferred around.  I also backfill for IOS and OS X.

I probably see more El Capitan than Sierra, and still about 5 people a day with Yosemite.

We have a couple big drivers.

1.Safari stopped working with websites because it is a deprecated version that needs to be updated via an OS X update.
2.Customer wants to use Itunes with Iphone and IOS 10 and above need a certain version.
3.Old people wanting to use Home Kit to control their lights and thermostat.
4.The one thing people figure out how to do is turn off the automatic update notifications.
Then you have people who are running versions of professional software that are perfectly fine, but will not work with newer versions without them having to pay Adobe or whoever for the update.  Musicians are a big example

People who refuse to give up Aperture.

And for most people their computer is just an appliance.

Also there are two update mechanisms and the majority of Apple users are only aware of one.

The first is if you go to about this Mac, and do check for updates.  It only updates the version you are running if there is an update out there.  It will not update to the new os.  It will bring you to the App store and show you the update for that version.  So if you are running Sierra and check for updates, it will only show you the 12.7 version for Sierra.

The second is f you want the new os( High Sierra) you have to go to the App Store, sign in with your Apple ID, download it and then install it.

The majority os users just hit check for updates, see none offered so they think they are good to go.

OS X is pretty secure but  the majority of our users do not update, and most are still running whatever came out of the box.  Because it just works.
 
2017-10-01 03:50:51 PM  

natazha: theflatline: I think you just might be full of shiat.

This was a government project, all of the computers had hard disks. Were you even an embryo in the '80s?


I was born in 1969.  First computer was an Apple 2, I been in IT working in it since I was 15.  And I work for Apple.

The odd thing is you say they all hard drives, they just might have.  But you also say that users did not know what they were doing.

Installing software on a networked drive was not for the faint of heart or the average user in those times.
 
2017-10-01 04:28:59 PM  

theflatline: ...the IBM 5150...


I always thought early PC users were insane.
 
2017-10-01 05:23:19 PM  

theflatline: I probably see more El Capitan than Sierra, and still about 5 people a day with Yosemite.


I just got my hands on a 2007 Mac running 10.5.8. Is it worth dropping $20 on 10.6 and updating to 10.11?
 
2017-10-01 05:42:37 PM  
Joke's on you. Subby. Your lame troll headline attracted the usual losers parroting propaganda, but we also got some knowledgeable people giving out real information.
 
2017-10-01 05:51:18 PM  

I Like Bread: theflatline: I probably see more El Capitan than Sierra, and still about 5 people a day with Yosemite.

I just got my hands on a 2007 Mac running 10.5.8. Is it worth dropping $20 on 10.6 and updating to 10.11?


20 bucks is nothing when it comes to computers. Check first to see if your model supports it, though.

I just Googled it, and it looks like Apple is still providing security updates for 10.11. As for 10.5.8, that's ancient history.
 
2017-10-01 06:10:12 PM  

cyberspacedout: I Like Bread: theflatline: I probably see more El Capitan than Sierra, and still about 5 people a day with Yosemite.

I just got my hands on a 2007 Mac running 10.5.8. Is it worth dropping $20 on 10.6 and updating to 10.11?

20 bucks is nothing when it comes to computers. Check first to see if your model supports it, though.

I just Googled it, and it looks like Apple is still providing security updates for 10.11. As for 10.5.8, that's ancient history.


I know my Mac can run 10.11, the question is whether it can run WELL. I installed an SSD so that ought to be a huge help. Normally I wouldn't bother but it seems a lot of programs (especially multiplatform ones that I use, which are still compatible with WinXP) need at least 10.6.
 
2017-10-01 06:11:37 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: chawco: It's not just that Macs or less vulnerable, its more than that just on a worthwhile Target. Sure you can get some buddies little dinky music program to shut down and steal their "Beats", or lock some artist out of their digital files. But there's no real valuable information on most Macs.

It's not just the smaller market share, it's also the "why bother" infecting some douchebag hipster's Mac. If they can afford a Mac in the first place, they will probably just throw it out and buy a new one, cuz that's what Apple users do. It's not like you can repair or upgrade them.

[img.fark.net image 616x342]

Bunch of douche bag, self entitled NASA jerks. Probably just updating their iTunes collection or something.


I have newer 13'' Lenovo Yoga, which is a wonderful little computer. It's very quick, and the price was nice. But I have no illusions that I can have this repaired if it breaks, or of having the ability to do any upgrades to this notebook.
That is just the way of the portable market now. About the only machines that are up-gradable, or repairable, are gaming notebooks.

And no, I don't have any Apple notebooks. I just think it's stupid to fight over your choice of computer equipment.


It's not evil companies trying to force you to buy new hardware - not completely. It's just that in order to make things smaller and lighter you have to fuse components together.
 
2017-10-01 06:24:54 PM  

cyberspacedout: I Like Bread: theflatline: I probably see more El Capitan than Sierra, and still about 5 people a day with Yosemite.

I just got my hands on a 2007 Mac running 10.5.8. Is it worth dropping $20 on 10.6 and updating to 10.11?

20 bucks is nothing when it comes to computers. Check first to see if your model supports it, though.

I just Googled it, and it looks like Apple is still providing security updates for 10.11. As for 10.5.8, that's ancient history.


The problem is that up until Mavericks each release was pretty optimized, and ran just as well across the board.  And I am not saying the new releases are not as optimized, but there have been a ton of additions to the OS that just bog down older boxes.
 
2017-10-01 06:33:34 PM  

theflatline: cyberspacedout: I Like Bread: theflatline: I probably see more El Capitan than Sierra, and still about 5 people a day with Yosemite.

I just got my hands on a 2007 Mac running 10.5.8. Is it worth dropping $20 on 10.6 and updating to 10.11?

20 bucks is nothing when it comes to computers. Check first to see if your model supports it, though.

I just Googled it, and it looks like Apple is still providing security updates for 10.11. As for 10.5.8, that's ancient history.

The problem is that up until Mavericks each release was pretty optimized, and ran just as well across the board.  And I am not saying the new releases are not as optimized, but there have been a ton of additions to the OS that just bog down older boxes.


The other issue is that from Mavericks on they assume you have an SSD, an assload of RAM, and a core i5/7 processor. (With 4-8 threads). Older Machines have a core2 (2 threads), hard drive, and sub-4gb of ram. They will run the software. Just not very well.
 
2017-10-01 06:41:50 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: theflatline: cyberspacedout: I Like Bread: theflatline: I probably see more El Capitan than Sierra, and still about 5 people a day with Yosemite.

I just got my hands on a 2007 Mac running 10.5.8. Is it worth dropping $20 on 10.6 and updating to 10.11?

20 bucks is nothing when it comes to computers. Check first to see if your model supports it, though.

I just Googled it, and it looks like Apple is still providing security updates for 10.11. As for 10.5.8, that's ancient history.

The problem is that up until Mavericks each release was pretty optimized, and ran just as well across the board.  And I am not saying the new releases are not as optimized, but there have been a ton of additions to the OS that just bog down older boxes.

The other issue is that from Mavericks on they assume you have an SSD, an assload of RAM, and a core i5/7 processor. (With 4-8 threads). Older Machines have a core2 (2 threads), hard drive, and sub-4gb of ram. They will run the software. Just not very well.


We were selling Imacs with 5400 drives this year.  My personal Imac came with one. I got it on the cheap, but I replaced it.

I have been running 7200 rpm drives in PCs for 17 years.

5400 less heat, reliable and slow as fark.

But apple has always had cooling issues since the apple 2.

People used to run them with the cases open, especially if you had any of the slots filled.

This Kensington fan was a huge seller.

www.cs.grinnell.eduwww.ronpellegrinoselectronicartsproductions.org
 
2017-10-01 08:14:43 PM  
No shiat Sherlock
 
2017-10-01 08:20:08 PM  

griz13: No shiat Sherlock


img.fark.net

I remember not using it for shiat, either
 
2017-10-01 10:10:31 PM  

FlashHarry: kbronsito: Aren't macs even more vulnerable, since idiots who think they are virus proof may neglect anti-virus software and conmon sense tips to prevent infection?

Macs are susceptible to trojans and other malware, just as any other platform is. This is because it's the user, not the machine, that is the key factor.

However, due to its inherently more secure OS, the Mac is currently much less susceptible to viruses - i.e. malicious code that can enter a computer without user intervention - if at all.

I've been running various versions of OS X for more than a decade with zero virus protection and have never had a single virus. I'm not saying it won't happen; I'm just saying it hasn't yet.


All I know is that every pc I ever had was was infected to some degree no matter how careful I was. About 8 years ago, I got fed up with having to refresh to the OS every three to six months and switched everything to Apple. I couldn't be happier.

I do have 1 high end gaming rig for VR work and a windows laptop for game development but I never put anything critical on either system. MS lost my trust ages ago.
 
2017-10-01 10:19:01 PM  

physt: FlashHarry: kbronsito: Aren't macs even more vulnerable, since idiots who think they are virus proof may neglect anti-virus software and conmon sense tips to prevent infection?

Macs are susceptible to trojans and other malware, just as any other platform is. This is because it's the user, not the machine, that is the key factor.

However, due to its inherently more secure OS, the Mac is currently much less susceptible to viruses - i.e. malicious code that can enter a computer without user intervention - if at all.

I've been running various versions of OS X for more than a decade with zero virus protection and have never had a single virus. I'm not saying it won't happen; I'm just saying it hasn't yet.

All I know is that every pc I ever had was was infected to some degree no matter how careful I was. About 8 years ago, I got fed up with having to refresh to the OS every three to six months and switched everything to Apple. I couldn't be happier.

I do have 1 high end gaming rig for VR work and a windows laptop for game development but I never put anything critical on either system. MS lost my trust ages ago.


Ignoring games (how can you do that), it has been relatively recent where I felt I needed to use windows for anything dev wise.  Much of game dev can be done pretty well on Apple machines though there are a small number of engines and toolkits that are windows only (including Microsoft Hololens which of course is Windows based).
 
2017-10-01 11:02:20 PM  
The real problem is there isn't much difference between the operating environment (the shiny bits like the window system) and the operating system (which deals with the hardware). Even the Operating System relies on the BIOS to do things that it shouldn't. The BIOS should have enough smarts to check some of the memory, load an boot image off the disk or network, display progress of that on a screen and then start the OS. The BIOS now is way smarter than it should be but it tends to be some of the worst written code on a computer. Once the security processors were added, it has been a complete mess of locked up code that no one should be able to access but those people who have found a way to get it, say it is so full of bugs, it should even compile with modern compilers.
 
2017-10-02 12:49:45 AM  
I remember when Mac commercials used to claim they didn't get viruses, and I guess they were told to knock that shiat off. A few years back I saw one of those "interview" commercials one of which included Standard Teenage Girl In Her Room saying "I like my Mac because I don't have to worry about viruses" and a small asterisk at the bottom said "does not get PC viruses". That's like Trojan saying if you use their product, you won't get feline AIDS.
 
2017-10-02 02:15:18 AM  
I've been required to use a Mac for the past six months, and I honestly don't get the love. It seems to have a lot of polish, and then a lot more that's just weird or broken.
For example:
VMWare Fusion performs like crap (may be a Fusion issue). And when it crashes, I need to hard reboot the entire OS to get it back up and running again.

The split screen is garbage. It only works for some apps, and when you enable it you are forced into a full screen context.

The lack of middle click without using a third party mouse.

The half ass mix of apple keybindings and non apple keybindings depending on what you are running (ie terminal)

Plus a hundred other "little things" that end up pushing me back into a Linux VM to get work done.

/Rant off
//The Ctrl left/right screen switching is pretty useful
 
2017-10-02 03:39:01 AM  

griz13: No shiat Sherlock


I can't tell you how many times I have been told "You can't hack a Mac!" by fanbois and the "Geniuses" at the Apple store. Riiight. I don't like the word "Hack." I prefer the term "Unauthorized remote access".
CSB: I bought an iMac in April of 2008. I left it at the Apple store overnight to have additional memory installed. Worst idea ever! The "Geniuses" created an Administrator password of "Admin" with a password of "12345". The default password for the Airport wireless network is "Airport Network. " It's common, published knowledge.
So my new iMac was remotely accessed by an unauthorized user while it was still in the Apple store because the "Geniuses" failed to follow basic security principles.
I get my shiny new iMac home and weird stuff is happening. I installed a nifty little program called "Little Snitch" which allows you to lock your system down and control which applications can go in and out via certain ports and protocols. Lots of stuff going on with my network-- all sorts of programs going OUT through the firewall, such as the currency converter. Really? Why would that program be trying to access the internet as I sat and watched what was going on? I don't remember all the others, it's been ten years.
So I dig through the log files. Even as a new Mac user, I could see that the setup logs did not match what the setup logs were supposed to look like, according to Apple's own documentation on their website.
I boxed that puppy up and went back to the store, explaining that the system had been compromised and that I wanted a refund. I showed them the log files and I explained what I thought had happened.
I heard those lovely words, "You can't hack a Mac!" and my request for a refund was denied. I had to explain to them the difference between a virus and unauthorized remote access. They looked at me as if I was from outer space. Geniuses, indeed.
I wrote to the Divisional office in Atlanta, again explaining what had happened and requesting a refund due to the security breach, I was sure the machine had been completely compromised and would never feel comfortable using it due to what the "Geniuses" had done when I left it there overnight. Again they refused.
I wrote to the home office in Cupertino, CA. This time, I wasn't so nice. I told them that their "Geniuses" were irresponsible idiots, and that I was sure that other systems had been compromised in a similar fashion, probably for years. I told them that I would spread the word, far and wide. I again requested a refund. I got a call from the Atlanta office a few days later, telling me I should bring the iMac into the store for a refund. That was the first and last time I purchased an Apple product, or set foot in an Apple store.
 
2017-10-02 04:10:59 AM  
They're not hacked because there's no black market for pulled pork recipes
 
2017-10-02 04:48:29 AM  
This just in:
Pears are tastier than Apples
 
2017-10-02 04:59:25 AM  

Fritriac: This just in:
Pears are tastier than Apples


fark pears.

--The Apple Council
 
2017-10-02 09:12:15 AM  

physt: FlashHarry: kbronsito: Aren't macs even more vulnerable, since idiots who think they are virus proof may neglect anti-virus software and conmon sense tips to prevent infection?

Macs are susceptible to trojans and other malware, just as any other platform is. This is because it's the user, not the machine, that is the key factor.

However, due to its inherently more secure OS, the Mac is currently much less susceptible to viruses - i.e. malicious code that can enter a computer without user intervention - if at all.

I've been running various versions of OS X for more than a decade with zero virus protection and have never had a single virus. I'm not saying it won't happen; I'm just saying it hasn't yet.

All I know is that every pc I ever had was was infected to some degree no matter how careful I was. About 8 years ago, I got fed up with having to refresh to the OS every three to six months and switched everything to Apple. I couldn't be happier.

I do have 1 high end gaming rig for VR work and a windows laptop for game development but I never put anything critical on either system. MS lost my trust ages ago.


If every pc you've ever had got infected that says a lot more about you than Microsoft.
 
2017-10-02 10:31:39 AM  
And squirrels are just as vulnerable to bullets as deer are.  But hunters typically go after deer because they're bigger and therefore provide more return on the investment. Same with Macs / PC's.  There are way more PC's so if you are developing malicious code it makes more sense to go after the big game.
 
2017-10-02 11:30:15 AM  
LOL
as someone who has support entire school sites of Macs...
The largest danger to macs come from the users. And once things do go wrong, good luck fixing it.

THE worst thing about OSX is the finder doesn't give you an accurate representation of the file structure of the hard drive.
That's just unconscionable.

Haven't run virus protection on my PC in about 15 years, haven't had an infection.
You are the reason your PC is having problems.
 
2017-10-02 11:50:41 AM  

mrsleep: LOL
as someone who has support entire school sites of Macs...
The largest danger to macs come from the users. And once things do go wrong, good luck fixing it.

THE worst thing about OSX is the finder doesn't give you an accurate representation of the file structure of the hard drive.
That's just unconscionable.

Haven't run virus protection on my PC in about 15 years, haven't had an infection.
You are the reason your PC is having problems.


I don't understand this criticism. Finder shows you the filesystem just fine. Go->Go to Folder-> "/" It's a fairly bog standard *nix layout with the system files locked down to read only unless you turn off SIP (don't turn off SIP).

You can manually type the location of hidden folders if you need to, otherwise you can enable the viewing of hidden files and folders, similar to what any consumer facing OS does.
 
2017-10-02 11:57:32 AM  

bingethinker: Joke's on you. Subby. Your lame troll headline attracted the usual losers parroting propaganda, but we also got some knowledgeable people giving out real information.


And then there's you.
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2017-10-02 12:58:10 PM  

Tergiversada: wrote to the home office in Cupertino, CA. This time, I wasn't so nice. I told them that their "Geniuses" were irresponsible idiots, and that I was sure that other systems had been compromised in a similar fashion, probably for years. I told them that I would spread the word, far and wide. I again requested a refund. I got a call from the Atlanta office a few days later, telling me I should bring the iMac into the store for a refund. That was the first and last time I purchased an Apple product, or set foot in an Apple store.


...and here you are spreading the word, far and wide (OK, relatively).  Bad deal for them all around. ;-)
 
2017-10-02 03:53:54 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Plus I'm one of those middle aged "veteran of the browser wars" who gets his panties in a bunch and insists that kids today don't understand what it was like then. And then swills some whiskey, and starts on yet another tale of the shiatty old days...


Do you tell kids to get off your lawn? XD
 
2017-10-02 04:05:58 PM  

Rwa2play: Evil Twin Skippy: Plus I'm one of those middle aged "veteran of the browser wars" who gets his panties in a bunch and insists that kids today don't understand what it was like then. And then swills some whiskey, and starts on yet another tale of the shiatty old days...

Do you tell kids to get off your lawn? XD


Mental note... add lawn to my home page
 
2017-10-02 07:55:03 PM  

mrsleep: LOL
as someone who has support entire school sites of Macs...
The largest danger to macs come from the users. And once things do go wrong, good luck fixing it.

THE worst thing about OSX is the finder doesn't give you an accurate representation of the file structure of the hard drive.
That's just unconscionable.

Haven't run virus protection on my PC in about 15 years, haven't had an infection.
You are the reason your PC is having problems.


As a former MS employee who supported and still does support MS since 1993, finder is bog standtard.  You might need to learn something about Unix.
 
2017-10-02 08:45:12 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Who said Macs weren't vulnerable?  Only people I know who believed that were the ones who came to me to ask me to fix them while spouting that sales garbage.

Also, aren't Macs now really just underpowered as fark?


The answer is "it depends." Yes as comparable machines for the price, they are very underpowered, but at the same time the people who buy them the most, they are probably way overpowered for what they get used for ( taking notes in class, organizing playlists, Skype/FaceTime, text messaging )
 
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