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2017-10-01 12:24:35 AM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: Humans seem to have their basic needs met, housing, medical care and food without credits, though.


Well Scotty said he bought a boat and Picard owns a big ass vineyard that apparently no one can buy from him if they want one. And people keep talking about replicators that once again weren't mentioned until TNG.

Well anyway, Trek will still be around in some form and everyone will be laughing about how wrong they were.
 
2017-10-01 12:25:49 AM  

Mugato: Dark Side Of The Spoon: Humans seem to have their basic needs met, housing, medical care and food without credits, though.

Well Scotty said he bought a boat and Picard owns a big ass vineyard that apparently no one can buy from him if they want one. And people keep talking about replicators that once again weren't mentioned until TNG.

Well anyway, Trek will still be around in some form and everyone will be laughing about how wrong they were.


.....in 200 years that is
 
2017-10-01 12:43:46 AM  

ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Bajoran religion, not Earther

Well, yeah.  So?  Bajor and its religion (particularly the Bajorans' worship of the lead character, his relationship with religious leaders, etc.) were central to the show.

they revered Sisko, they didn't worship him. The point was the Earthers had moved beyond religion. We only see religion through alien eyes.


I don't want to get into a whole side debate about whether Sisko was revered or worshiped; my point is that the show was primarily about Bajor, not Earth.  Seeing their religion (and other aspects of their culture) through alien eyes was central to the show, and for many of the fans, that was the best part.  On other versions of Star Trek, and even some of the "bottle shows" on DS9, we stumble across an alien culture, we see one or two aspects of it played out for an hour (minus commercials), and then we move on and forget about it.  With DS9, the idea was to examine Bajoran culture in the aftermath of the Occupation, in great detail, over an extended period of time, and see how fractured it was.  Some of the best episodes prior to the Dominion War arc (in my opinion) are about the conflict between various factions in the Provisional Government (like "The Circle" episodes).

And it has been suggested that the Occupation was a metaphor for events back here on Earth...

Some Trekkers do see parallels between the Cardassian persecution of Bajorans and the Nazi ... But others see the Bajorans as Palestinians, with the Cardassians representing the Israeli occupation.

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/I'm sticking with my original statement, that religion was a big part of DS9.
 
2017-10-01 12:55:58 AM  
What I want to say about the competing Star Treks is that no Star Trek series has ever had a compelling pilot or even a particularly good first season. None.
STD's only actually interesting character was the Prey Species guy. The visuals were cool on my expensive TV, but they were also very dark and too busy. I didn't like the palette, either. Michael-Spock was implausibly impulsive not just for someone raised in a Vulcan tradition, but also as a military officer. Why wasn't she on a shuttle again? Why did they let the first officer go? Why not send someone qualified to do analysis of the object? Why the fark did she touch it? She was the author of every one of the problems that happened in the first two episodes. But, OK. First installment weirdness. I'll probably steal the first season and at least let it play as background noise.

The Orville, on the other hand, had a meh first episode but then started in with what seem to me like good mid-series TNG episodes. There's a lot of shorthand that comes from trodding familiar ground, but contemporary socail mores are different and I really like that I've seen the crew of the ship be openly disrespectful toward regressive authority figures. The humor doesn't overwhelm the sci-fi elements and other than the lack of discussion of a Prime Directive, I haven't really seen anything that makes me think The Orville is incompatible with any other Star Trek series. It's just this one is run by a bigger collection of screw-ups than even Voyager. I also like that the third episode had a fairly Pyrrhic ending. Sometimes the people with correct opinions aren't the ones who get to claim a win.
 
2017-10-01 01:01:39 AM  

ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Bajoran religion, not Earther


There may have been some stories with subtle parallels to Earther religion...

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Covenant_(episode)
 
2017-10-01 01:20:07 AM  

HighOnCraic: metaphor for events back here on Earth...


Almost everything was a metaphor about something happening on Earth
 
2017-10-01 01:24:14 AM  

ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: metaphor for events back here on Earth...

Almost everything was a metaphor about something happening on Earth


Then we're finally in agreement!  :-)
 
2017-10-01 01:26:23 AM  

HighOnCraic: ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: metaphor for events back here on Earth...

Almost everything was a metaphor about something happening on Earth

Then we're finally in agreement!  :-)


we always were, it was just a discussion about word choice :-)
 
2017-10-01 02:39:32 AM  
I only came here to say that Star Trek: Enterprise has the worst TV theme song ever!
 
2017-10-01 02:41:30 AM  

Farking Canuck: Mugato: I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise

I really liked the design of the Shenzhou. The bottom-of-the-saucer bridge with the windows was very cool.

It was supposed to be an old design.


I just don't get the criticism of those who complain that these ships all look newer than the original Enterprise. I don't think they would be happy unless all the sets were made of wood and the uniforms made of shiatty fabric. Goddamn crybabies...
 
2017-10-01 02:41:31 AM  

Mugato: Dark Side Of The Spoon: Humans seem to have their basic needs met, housing, medical care and food without credits, though.

Well Scotty said he bought a boat and Picard owns a big ass vineyard that apparently no one can buy from him if they want one. And people keep talking about replicators that once again weren't mentioned until TNG.

Well anyway, Trek will still be around in some form and everyone will be laughing about how wrong they were.


Boats and vineyards aren't basic needs, people are able to own businesses and have private property and trade credits so there is no reason Scotty couldn't buy a boat if he saved his credits or Picard's family couldn't own a vineyard. I think it's more like an expanded universal income, you get a certain amount, including a basic housing allowance if you want, but if you want more you do something to get credits and get what you want. Replicated wine is free from a replicator, but someone would have to use credits to get 'real' wine because that is something which is finite, and for which scarcity exists. And boats probably cost something because if everyone were allowed to replicate infinite mega yachts for fun it would just clog up the ocean. There is finite space for boats so it makes sense there is a cost involved with having a boat and place to dock it.
 
2017-10-01 02:46:14 AM  

whosits_112: Farking Canuck: Mugato: I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise

I really liked the design of the Shenzhou. The bottom-of-the-saucer bridge with the windows was very cool.

It was supposed to be an old design.

I just don't get the criticism


Really, because it has been explained a lot
 
2017-10-01 03:20:08 AM  

FormlessOne: Brynden Rivers: fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll.

This. The News Busters chick didn't even mention Christianity, just religion in general. The only thing she mentioned as bothering her that is unambiguously Christian is a line containing the word "scripture". And this is TFA's sole evidence of an alleged Christian backlash against the show? Welcome to Fark: no one can be bothered to RTFA, including the submitters and admins apparently.

Anything that generates controversy generates pageviews. Pageviews pay the bills for everybody - Newsbusters, Fark, even Fox.


This. Just a troll bait headline and wait for the simple bites. The article couldn't even post a single facebook/twitter outrage comment from a single random individual (much less Christian organization claiming to speak for Christians) for this alleged great upset over Orville? There's more outrage and bravado on Fark over the alleged Christian outrage than Christian outrage even on the "Follow the Conversation on Twitter" the very article links.

Fark - a place for simplistic comments on article headlines and/or to hijack a thread for a better topic (in this case the Orville show and/or how it compares to other Treks/sci-fi).
 
2017-10-01 03:34:11 AM  

Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.


Kirk: "Computer. Calculate. The circumference. Of my penis. To the last decimal."

AI: "DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NO(@#|$%/+"
 
2017-10-01 03:52:02 AM  

Bermuda59: What doesn't piss them off?

They seem to get more upset over some sort of popular culture thing than they do over real issues like racism, poverty or other real problems.


Of course they do. This is that nasty, toxic fusion of religious fundamentalism and extreme right wing politics that is the hallmark of people who completely and utterly do not care at all about anyone other than themselves, not even in the slightest.

They are white, therefore do not care about treatment of racial minorities.
They don't live in poverty, thus do not care about people without adequate food, housing or healthcare.
They aren't gay or transgendered, therefore do not care about those people's basic human rights.

Their religion serves two purposes for them. First, it allows them an unlimited excuse for abject self-aggrandisement. They are faithful Christians, so they claim, and thus are the very best, most morally upstanding people as a result. The second is to provide a cover for their callous and atrocious mistreatment of others, as they can dismiss any of their quite legitimate needs as being from those who are both inferior to themselves and undeserving.

However, if something does affect them personally in some way they don't like, then they will immediately use that to scream and moan about being the victims of terrible injustice, no matter how pointless or trivial that perceived slight may be. Such as being told 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'. We should be seeing the mass tantrum over that one start up again any day now. Or the existence of television programmes that they are in no way forced to watch with content that does not meet with their personal approval.

Or that a science class might teach, you know, science while allowing them to teach their religion freely in their own homes and churches.Or whatever thing that they read in a Fwd:Fwd:Fwd about what a student at a college they do not attend and will never even set foot upon said, or worst of all a statement by a politician or public figure that suggests that people who aren't of their specific religion might somehow be deserving of equal status along with themselves.
 
2017-10-01 03:54:05 AM  

Chainsaw Turd Elf: I only came here to say that Star Trek: Enterprise has the worst TV theme song ever!


It was better than what they did with ST:Discovery IMHO.
 
2017-10-01 04:23:59 AM  

dennysgod: Hey offended Christians. Remember this:

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Do we know the names of these people?  Not because I want to do them any kind of harm, I just want to celebrate the day each one of them dies.
 
2017-10-01 05:31:51 AM  

ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]


Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D
 
2017-10-01 08:22:18 AM  

wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.


STDs usually cause a great deal of whining.
 
2017-10-01 08:30:41 AM  

Gary-L: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

I've watched both episodes of ST:D via some excellent streaming sites.  Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls.  The characters are badly written; the Klingons look like ass; and also the main character (Number One) is more bipolar than Captain Janeway.  Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long.  Go to any of Netflix's original programming and find the minimum runtime of any 1-hour series is 56-minutes.


Then again, the entire first season of TNG was terrible, but they recovered.
 
2017-10-01 08:48:17 AM  

Excelsior: Mugato: The idea that religion is going to to disappear in 200 years is absurd. Money and internal wars too.

Not really -- 200 years is 8 generations. How many of your great- great- great- great- great- great- grandfather's most deeply held beliefs do you personally still adhere to?
Personally I don't believe in 95% of the stuff my own grandparents once held for truth.

Religion needs desperation and hope to thrive, and for people to cling onto it -- in a post-scarce economy, there is little need for people to turn to religion to look for answers, help, or solace, since no one ever has to worry anymore where their next meal will come from anyway.
It's not far-fetched at all that the masses won't be religious after a few centuries of plentiness.

(Just look around -- religion has been in massive decline for decades in wealthy countries with decent social safetynets around the world. Already in this day and age, the high religiousness of the US is an exception and not the norm in the industrialized world.)

And as far as money and wars not being a thing anymore: again, post-scarcity.
Today, everyone on earth needs to compete for resources. There is a limited amount of materials, production capacity, workmanship, raw materials and resources in existence, and money is merely a token you posses to show how much of those limited resources you personally are entitled to be allocated.

In a society with free, limitless energy and technology like replicators, all of those go out the window. There simply is no longer a 'cost' associated with replicating anything, and your desire to get a 70" TV doesn't affect me in any way -- it's not like there's one sitting on the shelve that we both want to buy and are competing for, and I don't give a hoot if you crank out a dozen TV's for yourself in your garage, it won't have any direct impact on me whatsoever.

(Of course, the introduction of these kind of technologies would be extremely disrupting... You really don't want to see how long the waiting lines are Disneyland are when anyone has the day off and you're just a 10 second teleporter ride away from any tourist destination on the planet. Tourism will be dead.)


The Diamond Age gives an example of a non-utopian post-scarcity society.
 
2017-10-01 09:18:04 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Gary-L: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

I've watched both episodes of ST:D via some excellent streaming sites.  Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls.  The characters are badly written; the Klingons look like ass; and also the main character (Number One) is more bipolar than Captain Janeway.  Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long.  Go to any of Netflix's original programming and find the minimum runtime of any 1-hour series is 56-minutes.

Then again, the entire first season of TNG was terrible, but they recovered.


Bad shows don't get second seasons now and TNG had time to rewrite and reshoot
 
2017-10-01 09:28:06 AM  

Brynden Rivers: Welcome to Fark: no one can be bothered to RTFA, including the submitters and admins apparently.


You're new?
 
2017-10-01 10:25:54 AM  

likefunbutnot: What I want to say about the competing Star Treks is that no Star Trek series has ever had a compelling pilot or even a particularly good first season. None.
STD's only actually interesting character was the Prey Species guy. The visuals were cool on my expensive TV, but they were also very dark and too busy. I didn't like the palette, either. Michael-Spock was implausibly impulsive not just for someone raised in a Vulcan tradition, but also as a military officer. Why wasn't she on a shuttle again? Why did they let the first officer go? Why not send someone qualified to do analysis of the object? Why the fark did she touch it? She was the author of every one of the problems that happened in the first two episodes. But, OK. First installment weirdness. I'll probably steal the first season and at least let it play as background noise.

The Orville, on the other hand, had a meh first episode but then started in with what seem to me like good mid-series TNG episodes. There's a lot of shorthand that comes from trodding familiar ground, but contemporary socail mores are different and I really like that I've seen the crew of the ship be openly disrespectful toward regressive authority figures. The humor doesn't overwhelm the sci-fi elements and other than the lack of discussion of a Prime Directive, I haven't really seen anything that makes me think The Orville is incompatible with any other Star Trek series. It's just this one is run by a bigger collection of screw-ups than even Voyager. I also like that the third episode had a fairly Pyrrhic ending. Sometimes the people with correct opinions aren't the ones who get to claim a win.


Sorry to disagree with you, but DS9 is my favorite of the Trek series and I have been rewatching it on Netflix the last few weeks.  It has a better first season than any other Trek series that, now that I'm watching it again, sets up the premise of the entire series, all the way to the end, very well.

One premise I always thought would make for a great Trek series is the books based on the Starfleet Core of Engineers.
 
2017-10-01 10:38:46 AM  

Gary-L: Sorry to disagree with you, but DS9 is my favorite of the Trek series and I have been rewatching it on Netflix the last few weeks.  It has a better first season than any other Trek series that, now that I'm watching it again, sets up the premise of the entire series, all the way to the end, very well.


Remember that DS9 started in the middle of TNG's run... So all the first-season bugs were worked out in TNG, and DS9 was just another project that started with what they'd already learned by that time. It had a supreme advantage over TNG, which was starting up in as the first Trek show on television since 1973 (if you count the animated series).

TNG had to basically start fresh. DS9 had already-existing TNG resources, directors, writers, crew, and actors to make it work.
 
2017-10-01 12:03:18 PM  

iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D


The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.
 
2017-10-01 12:28:42 PM  

ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.


Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.


I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.
 
2017-10-01 01:05:58 PM  

WilderKWight: Gary-L: Sorry to disagree with you, but DS9 is my favorite of the Trek series and I have been rewatching it on Netflix the last few weeks.  It has a better first season than any other Trek series that, now that I'm watching it again, sets up the premise of the entire series, all the way to the end, very well.

Remember that DS9 started in the middle of TNG's run... So all the first-season bugs were worked out in TNG, and DS9 was just another project that started with what they'd already learned by that time. It had a supreme advantage over TNG, which was starting up in as the first Trek show on television since 1973 (if you count the animated series).

TNG had to basically start fresh. DS9 had already-existing TNG resources, directors, writers, crew, and actors to make it work.


Reread what I quoted.  likefunbutnot stated "What I want to say about the competing Star Treks is that no Star Trek series has ever had a compelling pilot or even a particularly good first season. None."

DS9 stared while TNG was on the air, and it started off well written.  Voyager started while DS9 was still on the air; however, it was badly executed out of the gate and never improved.  Yes, it was the flagship show for the fledgling UPN network, but in that case more effort should have been poured into the show.  Instead, like CBS is doing with Discovery, it's crap with the Trek brand slapped on it in a feeble attempt to attract the established fan base.
 
2017-10-01 01:15:44 PM  

iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.

I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.


All episodes stream from here: https://www.fox.com/the-orville/

Not sure if it works over the pond, I hope it does!
 
2017-10-01 01:22:01 PM  

ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.

I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.

All episodes stream from here: https://www.fox.com/the-orville/

Not sure if it works over the pond, I hope it does!


Well, the proxy I'm currently using is "US East" ;D

Thanks, pal!

/Also everyone needs to see Hyperdrive.
 
2017-10-01 01:32:07 PM  
Why don;t they just watch Bibleman?

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2017-10-01 01:36:28 PM  

iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.

I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.

All episodes stream from here: https://www.fox.com/the-orville/

Not sure if it works over the pond, I hope it does!

Well, the proxy I'm currently using is "US East" ;D

Thanks, pal!

/Also everyone needs to see Hyperdrive.


Almost forgot:
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YOU'RE WELCOME!
 
2017-10-01 02:02:05 PM  

ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.

I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.

All episodes stream from here: https://www.fox.com/the-orville/

Not sure if it works over the pond, I hope it does!

Well, the proxy I'm currently using is "US East" ;D

Thanks, pal!

/Also everyone needs to see Hyperdrive.

Almost forgot:
[img.fark.net image 850x636]
YOU'RE WELCOME!


el o effing el.

Top bloke, chief ;D
 
2017-10-01 02:58:59 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: When will the oppression of America's majority religion stop?


That isn't saying much.  That's a bar set pretty damn low.
 
2017-10-01 03:17:22 PM  

Farking Canuck: HST's Dead Carcass: Who cares? Religions need to go away. (Begin hipster atheist screed)

LOL ... not having invisible, magic friends makes you a "hipster" now. Did your invisible friend tell you that??


Huh? What are you talking aboot?
 
2017-10-01 06:32:22 PM  
Just watched the episode. Feel like they missed an opportunity when the phrase "Oh my God" is uttered. They could have asked, "Who is this 'God' of which you speak? There is only Dural," or some other such thing.

Of course, this isn't TNG, so...
 
2017-10-01 06:48:40 PM  

IgG4: Good, no such thing as bad publicity.


That's such a stupid expression. Tell that to Mel Gibson or Tom Cruise.
 
2017-10-01 07:43:46 PM  

optikeye: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

Actually, the plot was first done in '63 by Robert Heinlein.

Universe

and Common Sensewere both published in Astounding Science Fiction in 1941. The two novellas were put together and published as Orphans of the Sky in 1963.
 
2017-10-01 09:18:58 PM  
Thanks for the heads up  Christians hypocrites. Because of TFA I just watched the first episode. It is very much in the same vein as the original Star Trek and TNG, I will be setting the DVR to record new episodes sometime in the next 2 minutes. Just before I watch the next three episodes.
 
2017-10-01 10:33:32 PM  

HighOnCraic: Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.

See also:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8Efi75W5U1Q]


This.  Specifically, no matter what Roddenberry believed personally, religion was as common as ever in Star Trek. It was just appropriately private.  As in, who belonged to which faith had exactly as much to do with Federation politics and society as one's favorite bread choice for toast.  Plenty of people observed all kinds of faiths, but it had nothing to do with what kind of job you could get, or how anyone was allowed to treat you, and it definitely had nothing whatsoever to do with secular law or politics.

You'll note that in Deep Space Nine, where this all comes to a head because of the intentionally spectacular nature of the Bajoran faith, most (though not all) of the head-shaking and disbelief in "primitive superstition" doesn't come from people having problems that Bajorans believe this stuff.  It's more about "Why are the church elders allowed to tell people what to think and do, again, exactly?  And why does anyone allow themselves to be manipulated like that?"
 
2017-10-02 04:33:24 AM  

TheOtherGuy: HighOnCraic: Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.

See also:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8Efi75W5U1Q]

This.  Specifically, no matter what Roddenberry believed personally, religion was as common as ever in Star Trek. It was just appropriately private.  As in, who belonged to which faith had exactly as much to do with Federation politics and society as one's favorite bread choice for toast.  Plenty of people observed all kinds of faiths, but it had nothing to do with what kind of job you could get, or how anyone was allowed to treat you, and it definitely had nothing whatsoever to do with secular law or politics.

You'll note that in Deep Space Nine, where this all comes to a head because of the intentionally spectacular nature of the Bajoran faith, most (though not all) of the head-shaking and disbelief in "primitive superstition" doesn't come from people having problems that Bajorans believe this stuff.  It's more about "Why are the church elders allowed to tell people what to think and do, again, exactly?  And why does anyone allow themselves to be manipulated like that?"


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