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2017-09-30 08:15:41 PM  

ReaverZ: Billy Liar: Slackfumasta: Pretty sure you could just post the headline "Christians are upset" every day, and there'd be a new article to back that up.

More accurately, "A small group of some Christians".

Realistically, one person claiming to represent a group


You've never been to school board meetings, have you?
 
2017-09-30 08:15:46 PM  
Have these people ever seen Lucifer or the even more blasphemous Supernatural? Or did every fundie that saw them die of a heart attack?
 
2017-09-30 08:18:10 PM  

Gary-L: The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team. Yeah, it makes for so-called great entertainment, but that's what I liked about TNG and DS9, where the Captains acted like someone in charge.


Yeah, but nobody wants to see the adventures of Ensign Ricky's Away Team.  Same with Stargate.  Nobody's champing at the bit to watch the adventures of SG-7 while the main characters play ping-pong and practice their golf drive into the open gate...actually, no, that's good too.
 
2017-09-30 08:22:28 PM  

wooden_badger: optikeye: The Orville is better Star Trek than today's Star Trek.

Watched both The Orville and STD today.  Unless it shows up on Netflix, that will be the last STD I watch.


Wait, the Kartrashians have a new sex tape out?

/not sure what to make of The Orville
//thought it would be satire and funny, but it seems like pretty straight forward old school Star Trek
 
2017-09-30 08:24:51 PM  

Znuh: fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.

Unfortunately, the Klingons are indeed based on Trumpers. Another reason I said "Noope" to watching.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/22/star-trek-discovery-creators-our-klin​gons-are-secretly-trumpsters/

an extremist Klingon sect - scream "Remain Klingon," something deliberately reminiscent of "Make America Great Again."


Sounds more like "Jews will not replace us".
 
2017-09-30 08:27:41 PM  

OhioUGrad: not sure what to make of The Orville
//thought it would be satire and funny, but it seems like pretty straight forward old school Star Trek


The people in the future drink heavily.  It's the booze that makes it fun.
 
2017-09-30 08:29:42 PM  

Mugato: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

The idea that religion is going to to disappear in 200 years is absurd. Money and internal wars too.


It's like they forgot that the actress who played The Emissary's wife is on The Orville...

See also:  "The Founders ARE gods!"
 
2017-09-30 08:36:16 PM  

real_headhoncho: OhioUGrad: not sure what to make of The Orville
//thought it would be satire and funny, but it seems like pretty straight forward old school Star Trek

The people in the future drink heavily.  It's the booze that makes it fun.


So, it's based on Fark?
 
2017-09-30 08:38:06 PM  

OhioUGrad: real_headhoncho: OhioUGrad: not sure what to make of The Orville
//thought it would be satire and funny, but it seems like pretty straight forward old school Star Trek

The people in the future drink heavily.  It's the booze that makes it fun.

So, it's based on Fark?


No... there would be more shiatposting and begging for money.
 
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2017-09-30 08:39:58 PM  
Then take a knee during the opening theme.

/We know from past instances that you're not smart enough to turn to a different channel.
 
2017-09-30 08:43:00 PM  

jbc: Then take a knee during the opening theme.

/We know from past instances that you're not smart enough to turn to a different channel.


Uh it's not going to be on a channel again, gotta pay for CBS AllAccess to get anymore.
But thanks for trying to play!
 
2017-09-30 08:44:17 PM  

lindalouwho: jbc: Then take a knee during the opening theme.

/We know from past instances that you're not smart enough to turn to a different channel.

Uh it's not going to be on a channel again, gotta pay for CBS AllAccess to get anymore.
But thanks for trying to play!


Well I farked that up, going between this thread and the one about ST:D

/oops
 
2017-09-30 08:45:17 PM  
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2017-09-30 08:51:42 PM  
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2017-09-30 08:53:00 PM  
Back in the 60s when I was a wee lad my dad was a religious nut.  Twice a day Sunday and Wednesday evenings off to church we went.  I was about 10 when I started asking questions, and got answers like "you have to have faith".  My response, at 10 y/o mind you, was along the lines of "if I had faith would I be asking these questions?".  That got me beat more than once.

Anywhoo, preacher went on about the lyrics of the Beatles song Revolution.  I hadn't yet discovered AM-FM radio yet.  With dads approval I built a Heathkit short wave receiver that had an AM band.  12 y/o me finally heard Revolution, listened to the lyrics, and was all WTF preacher man?

That was the final nail in the coffin of me ever being religious.  These assholes tie their panties in a bunch based on what other people say, not on actually listening to what people are saying.  They can all DIAF for all I care.

/ except dad
// he's 89, out of his mind
/// if he DIAFs my inheritance goes to shiat
 
2017-09-30 08:57:00 PM  

hugram: [img.fark.net image 850x681]


Is that real? Does your country with supposed separation of Church and State actually have laws preventing atheists from holding office?

If that's true (and I will check that out), WTF.
 
2017-09-30 08:59:04 PM  

MLWS: hugram: [img.fark.net image 850x681]

Is that real? Does your country with supposed separation of Church and State actually have laws preventing atheists from holding office?

If that's true (and I will check that out), WTF.


Wow, they are on the books for several states but are unenforceable due to the first amendment and article VI of the constitution.

Still....wow.
 
2017-09-30 09:04:37 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Yeah, that one's always been weird logically.  I know if a capital ship captain even thought about just randomly dealing themselves in on a mission into territory that was manifestly unsafe... yeah well you wouldn't have a ship for very long.  Not your damn job, Captain.  Now the "Ok well this area is safe enough this is a diplomatic mission" or whatnot, sure.  And sometimes stuff does go wrong from there.  But beyond that, they'd send your butt back to Annapolis for remedial officer training if you kept pulling that crap short of a deathly emergency that absolutely and unarguably requires your presence.


The Enterprise has pretty much always been the flagship of the federation, the best of the best -- which actually makes the Orville more interesting, in that it's just a run-of-the-mill, mid-level ship with a "no one's first choice" of a captain. They'll be more likely to need help getting bailed out themselves.
 
2017-09-30 09:05:45 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: I watched the first 3episodes in succession and the third episode definitely went down a different path than the first 2.  I wonder if they continue with Spaceballesque parody or go with attempts at serious social commentary?  Either way it's better than STD.


It's not a parody, it's more of a loving homage. I liked it right from the start, and it definitely is the most Star Trek-y show in many years, but the 3rd and 4th episodes are like the writers are channeling TOS, but injecting a little humor. And thankfully, the humor is kept to a dull roar, so the show doesn't devolve into a bunch of crude humor the whole time. Just enough to keep it light and breezy, and make the characters sound more realistically human.

I've been a Trekkie since the only Start Trek that existed was TOS, and I gotta say... I am loving The Orville. I hope it has more seasons. MacFarlane is doing something really great here for scifi.

STD.... is good, but it's certainly not Star Trek, and it has some big flaws. It's pretty - VERY pretty - and is high on drama and tension. If you liked the intensity of BSG, then you might like STD where they took that level of intensity and significantly increased it further.

But on the negative side....... it's farking full to the goddamned brim of tension and drama. So far there's no sign at all of the bright hopeful future stuff we all love Star Trek for. I felt tense after watching it, it was not a relaxing show at all, it's dreary. It's very distracting that they set it in the Star Trek universe, and so close in time to TOS, since if you do know Star Trek you find it constantly distracting how poorly it fits in to Star Trek.

And the main character - Michael - is an asshole, and should be in space jail for the rest of her life as of the end of episode 2. She is reckless, farks up royally a bunch, is arrogant, and mutinous. She has no place in a team environment, and if she was a member of my crew I might have just spaced her ass. The actress does a great job, it's nothing to do with her. She's a great actress, and does a great job as written. It's the character that sucks, and should be sucking vacuum.
 
2017-09-30 09:09:01 PM  

Moooooo K: Cool, so I should start watching then.


Watching horrible shows because it pisses someone off is why The Big Bang Theory's been on for 10 years.
 
2017-09-30 09:17:07 PM  
I like The Orville, STD AND BBT, come at me bro!

More importantly, The Orville's ratings are solid so far.  Whip up some fundie indignation and we just might see a second season!

/take the fun out of fundie and all you have left is die
//drinking is fun
 
2017-09-30 09:26:53 PM  

mongbiohazard: Igor Jakovsky: I watched the first 3episodes in succession and the third episode definitely went down a different path than the first 2.  I wonder if they continue with Spaceballesque parody or go with attempts at serious social commentary?  Either way it's better than STD.

It's not a parody, it's more of a loving homage. I liked it right from the start, and it definitely is the most Star Trek-y show in many years, but the 3rd and 4th episodes are like the writers are channeling TOS, but injecting a little humor. And thankfully, the humor is kept to a dull roar, so the show doesn't devolve into a bunch of crude humor the whole time. Just enough to keep it light and breezy, and make the characters sound more realistically human.

I've been a Trekkie since the only Start Trek that existed was TOS, and I gotta say... I am loving The Orville. I hope it has more seasons. MacFarlane is doing something really great here for scifi.

STD.... is good, but it's certainly not Star Trek, and it has some big flaws. It's pretty - VERY pretty - and is high on drama and tension. If you liked the intensity of BSG, then you might like STD where they took that level of intensity and significantly increased it further.

But on the negative side....... it's farking full to the goddamned brim of tension and drama. So far there's no sign at all of the bright hopeful future stuff we all love Star Trek for. I felt tense after watching it, it was not a relaxing show at all, it's dreary. It's very distracting that they set it in the Star Trek universe, and so close in time to TOS, since if you do know Star Trek you find it constantly distracting how poorly it fits in to Star Trek.

And the main character - Michael - is an asshole, and should be in space jail for the rest of her life as of the end of episode 2. She is reckless, farks up royally a bunch, is arrogant, and mutinous. She has no place in a team environment, and if she was a member of my crew I might have just spaced her ass. The ac ...


And the weird thing is, she's supposed to have graduated from the Vulcan Academy, despite having virtually no control over her emotions at any time to the point where you can't understand how she graduated from Starfleet Academy either. Unless there's a plot point where being fostered by a Vulcan has made her literally insane with emotional problems this really doesn't make any sense, though actually it would still not make sense that she's in Starfleet and has somehow advanced to the rank she has.
 
2017-09-30 09:27:07 PM  
We are? Dammnit, this is what I get for missing staff meetings.
 
2017-09-30 09:31:07 PM  
Hey christians, fark off!
 
2017-09-30 09:32:50 PM  

Mugato: The idea that religion is going to to disappear in 200 years is absurd. Money and internal wars too.


Not really -- 200 years is 8 generations. How many of your great- great- great- great- great- great- grandfather's most deeply held beliefs do you personally still adhere to?
Personally I don't believe in 95% of the stuff my own grandparents once held for truth.

Religion needs desperation and hope to thrive, and for people to cling onto it -- in a post-scarce economy, there is little need for people to turn to religion to look for answers, help, or solace, since no one ever has to worry anymore where their next meal will come from anyway.
It's not far-fetched at all that the masses won't be religious after a few centuries of plentiness.

(Just look around -- religion has been in massive decline for decades in wealthy countries with decent social safetynets around the world. Already in this day and age, the high religiousness of the US is an exception and not the norm in the industrialized world.)

And as far as money and wars not being a thing anymore: again, post-scarcity.
Today, everyone on earth needs to compete for resources. There is a limited amount of materials, production capacity, workmanship, raw materials and resources in existence, and money is merely a token you posses to show how much of those limited resources you personally are entitled to be allocated.

In a society with free, limitless energy and technology like replicators, all of those go out the window. There simply is no longer a 'cost' associated with replicating anything, and your desire to get a 70" TV doesn't affect me in any way -- it's not like there's one sitting on the shelve that we both want to buy and are competing for, and I don't give a hoot if you crank out a dozen TV's for yourself in your garage, it won't have any direct impact on me whatsoever.

(Of course, the introduction of these kind of technologies would be extremely disrupting... You really don't want to see how long the waiting lines are Disneyland are when anyone has the day off and you're just a 10 second teleporter ride away from any tourist destination on the planet. Tourism will be dead.)
 
2017-09-30 09:34:33 PM  
When Devil's Due originally aired I don't think anyone realized how thoroughly anti-religion it was. TNG fans still completely miss what the episode is about and give it low marks.

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2017-09-30 09:35:49 PM  

davidphogan: I thought they'd have been angry about a species that only contains males.


It's called "Bohemian Grove".
 
2017-09-30 09:46:46 PM  

Excelsior: In a society with free, limitless energy and technology like replicators, all of those go out the window


First of all, replicators weren't around until TNG.

And on the religion thing, you're being too specific. There has been some kind of religion in pretty much every civilization since there were civilizations. That's not going away in 200 years.
 
2017-09-30 10:01:56 PM  
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2017-09-30 10:03:03 PM  

HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.


Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.
 
2017-09-30 10:08:34 PM  
The Klingons killed their gods but they still have an afterlife.
 
2017-09-30 10:11:03 PM  

HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.


Bajoran religion, not Earther
 
2017-09-30 10:18:17 PM  

IlGreven: Moooooo K: Cool, so I should start watching then.

Watching horrible shows because it pisses someone off is why The Big Bang Theory's been on for 10 years.


it's fun and it's not reality tv

/ too many serious relationships though
// it need to turn out to been a fever dream Lenard had after seeing Penny for the first time
 
2017-09-30 10:18:50 PM  
FTFA, attributed to Gene Rod&berries:

"For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain."

WTF?

Read more at World Religion News: "Why Is The New TV Show 'The Orville' Upsetting Christians?" http://www.worldreligionnews.com/?p=43531
 
2017-09-30 10:18:52 PM  

docpeteyJ: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]

Yeah, Christians are such an oppressed minority in this country. Talk about snowflakes.

/IIRC McFarlane and Roddenberry are both atheists (well, Gene was, but he's dead)
//Going to keep watching The Orville just because it hurts the Religious Right's fee-fees
///Waiting for the stupid cries by the thin-skinned God-botherers to boycott the show


For the devout psychos it ia never enough to be allowed to freely worship, they are only happy when forcing every one else to confirm as well. That makes it a mental illness.
 
2017-09-30 10:19:02 PM  

optikeye: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

Actually, the plot was first done in '63 by Robert Heinlein.


Heinlein's "Universe" may not have been the first use of that plot.  Generation Ship stories have been done many times.

Personally, I thought 'The Orville's version was closer to the failed TV series 'The Starlost'.

Not wishing any ill will to Star Trek: Discovery, but so far, I've been enjoying The Orville quite a bit.  If it's pissing off the Christian nutcases, even better.
 
2017-09-30 10:24:20 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.


See also:

Son of God mention on Star Trek
Youtube 8Efi75W5U1Q
 
2017-09-30 10:25:49 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: docpeteyJ: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]

Yeah, Christians are such an oppressed minority in this country. Talk about snowflakes.

/IIRC McFarlane and Roddenberry are both atheists (well, Gene was, but he's dead)
//Going to keep watching The Orville just because it hurts the Religious Right's fee-fees
///Waiting for the stupid cries by the thin-skinned God-botherers to boycott the show

For the devout psychos it ia never enough to be allowed to freely worship, they are only happy when forcing every one else to confirm as well. That makes it a mental illness.


These types freak out about non-existent Islamic Sharia law taking over when they want to enforce their own Evangelical Christian version of it. (like the so-called anti-LGBT "religious freedom" laws that allow for the discrimination THEY want).
 
2017-09-30 10:29:24 PM  
For everyone giving examples of humans in Trek mentioning religion, they also sporadically mention money which they don't claim to use anymore so they never knew what they were doing.
 
2017-09-30 10:30:14 PM  

ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Bajoran religion, not Earther


Well, yeah.  So?  Bajor and its religion (particularly the Bajorans' worship of the lead character, his relationship with religious leaders, etc.) were central to the show.
 
2017-09-30 10:36:09 PM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: ...
And the weird thing is, she's supposed to have graduated from the Vulcan Academy, despite having virtually no control over her emotions at any time to the point where you can't understand how she graduated from Starfleet Academy either. Unless there's a plot point where being fostered by a Vulcan has made her literally insane with emotional problems this really doesn't make any sense, though actually it would still not make sense that she's in Starfleet and has somehow advanced to the rank she has.


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We trained her wrong.  As a joke.
 
2017-09-30 10:43:08 PM  
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2017-09-30 11:20:53 PM  
Jeez lotta STD hate. Everyone knows treks starts off real well.


Also there was a huge battle and I don't expect every episode to have a battle like that. Also we havent even met the rest of the main cast or learned what the bridge crew is actually like. If we just ignore those factors and prejudge the next 13 epusodes based on a gaint battle opener, then yeah it'll be boring.

So I still have hope that it can do things.  Not saying it for sure will but the people in here picking apart their dislike of one scene then saying definitively its utter shiat through and through, that seems dumb.

You are probably right it will just stay a blockbustery shoot em up clone, but it hasnt been doomed purely to that roll yet, I don't think.

I liked the touches like the ethical protocol, holograms not being perfect, hull shielda not instantaneously covering damage, more lifesystem gadgets on other species. It gave me hope that they so care about the science side. I mean it was the start of a war and the dude discovered cloaking, of course it'll be mostly battle right now. I think my opinion will mostly come down to what they do with ranins role.

On topic, for sure gonna check out Seth's show now based off this thread.
 
2017-09-30 11:29:26 PM  
I really like The Orville.  The comedy is weak, but is rather refreshing for a "sci-fi" show.  I just watched the most recent one, and that big ship was really cool.  I'm going to keep dvr'ing it and watching it.
 
2017-09-30 11:32:32 PM  

HighOnCraic: Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.

See also:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8Efi75W5U1Q]


That clip shows why both STD, the orville, and all the series in between pale in comparison to the original. Although TNG was watchable.
 
2017-09-30 11:33:29 PM  

Gary-L: Invincible: Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

This was my problem with it. The only characters really developed were the captain, who might be cool but is a bit overly wise, number 1, who is pretty much Danny Rand of the trek universe, and the science officer/punching bag. I'm not sure which one i want them to kill off first.

The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team.  Yeah, it makes for so-called great entertainment, but that's what I liked about TNG and DS9, where the Captains acted like someone in charge.

Other aspects of Discovery are the ship itself.  As has been noted, the tech is well beyond anything shown in TOS along with the huge bridge.  I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark.  The introduction of the Captain and Number One was written for 8 year olds where the characters are having a discussion which they tell each other their respective responsibilities, Starfleet's responsibilities, and how they feel about each other.  There wasn't a proper presenting of the characters where the audience can discern the relationship.  The second part ended with a clip of what the season will bring, and it looks like a generic shoot 'em up space show with the Trek brand slapped on it.

I didn't care for Oorville when I watched the first two episodes mainly due to the juvenile humor (don't get me wrong, I loved Ted, but it's out of place for me in this setting); however, McFarlane did a better job of setting up the premise of his show ...


The thing I like about the show is that the humor is NOT the focus, it's just there as an addition - and given McFarlane's past it's really toned down from his other works. The show is a great show, it just has people that talk like normal people today.

The references aren't even that thick in comparison to other works, there are a couple here and there but nothing too glaring or out of place. I think each episode has gotten progressively better, and the cast fits well with one another. They are also tackling some great topics, the 4th episode (probably what TFA is about - I haven't read it yet) is a smack in the face to religion in general.
 
2017-09-30 11:46:59 PM  
A reason why it's reported Christians are offended is probably because the show most likey is outlawed in Muslim countries.
 
2017-10-01 12:12:27 AM  

Mugato: For everyone giving examples of humans in Trek mentioning religion, they also sporadically mention money which they don't claim to use anymore so they never knew what they were doing.


They mention 'credits' but it's really not clear what the difference is. Notably, credits only seem to be used for non-food items that they replicate from federation replicators, or food items from non-federation replicators, or goods or services from other cultures. They never have to pay for medical services or food from federation replicators. Credits may be like a share of the total amount of energy which humans are capable of generating which can be traded, and ultimately redeemed in the form of some amount of used energy from a replicator, but which often function as a form of currency. It's not clear how it differs from money but there is never any talk of borrowing credits or banks or interest. The writers never do nail it down. Humans seem to have their basic needs met, housing, medical care and food without credits, though.
 
2017-10-01 12:14:59 AM  

HighOnCraic: ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Bajoran religion, not Earther

Well, yeah.  So?  Bajor and its religion (particularly the Bajorans' worship of the lead character, his relationship with religious leaders, etc.) were central to the show.


they revered Sisko, they didn't worship him. The point was the Earthers had moved beyond religion. We only see religion through alien eyes.
 
2017-10-01 12:21:43 AM  

Mugato: So these Christians never saw any of the Star Treks or did they cry about those too? What are they so upset about? Are they concerned that a TV show is going to convert people to atheism? Because they must thing their religion is pretty weak.


In general, they were rarely smart enough to realize when Star Trek was mocking them, like in any episode involving the Q or Borg hive mentality.
 
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