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2017-09-30 06:25:04 PM  

davidphogan: I thought they'd have been angry about a species that only contains males.


I thought they'd have been angry about a species only contains males IN BED TOGETHER.
 
2017-09-30 06:26:48 PM  

mcmnky: The society in the show worshiped a false god and stuck to beliefs that were not only factually, objectively, and provably incorrect, they were beliefs that would lead to the death of all in their society.

If Christians see that and think it applies to them, who am I to argue?


Maybe they were nutty because the sun never set. Constant daylight for 2,000 years would definitely fark with their collective heads.
 
2017-09-30 06:26:52 PM  

lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.


Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.
 
2017-09-30 06:29:23 PM  
I watched the first 3episodes in succession and the third episode definitely went down a different path than the first 2.  I wonder if they continue with Spaceballesque parody or go with attempts at serious social commentary?  Either way it's better than STD.
 
2017-09-30 06:29:25 PM  
Why are they watching sci-fi anyway?  I can't imagine another popular genre that's more likely to encourage someone to reconsider their cherished perceptions of reality and make them think. Best to steer clear, Christians, or you might change your mind about something.
 
2017-09-30 06:31:30 PM  

Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.


This was my problem with it. The only characters really developed were the captain, who might be cool but is a bit overly wise, number 1, who is pretty much Danny Rand of the trek universe, and the science officer/punching bag. I'm not sure which one i want them to kill off first.
 
2017-09-30 06:32:13 PM  

dennysgod: Hey offended Christians. Remember this:

[img.fark.net image 480x360]


They look so pleased with themselves.


Far Cough: And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?


I'm not their farking program director.
 
2017-09-30 06:32:32 PM  
I'm thinking at this point reporting on something that christians aren't offended by would be the real news.
 
amb
2017-09-30 06:35:27 PM  
I'm giving the Orville a chance.  The single sex species was an interesting commentary on the current transgender issues. The following episode was an homage to Vonnegut.
 
2017-09-30 06:39:01 PM  

fusillade762: mcmnky: The society in the show worshiped a false god and stuck to beliefs that were not only factually, objectively, and provably incorrect, they were beliefs that would lead to the death of all in their society.

If Christians see that and think it applies to them, who am I to argue?

Maybe they were nutty because the sun never set. Constant daylight for 2,000 years would definitely fark with their collective heads.


That would also explain what happened to the British Empire.
 
2017-09-30 06:46:28 PM  

Far Cough: Mugato: Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls

I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.

And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?  The limit only makes sense if they plan to air on a time limited format like traditional live commercial broadcast TV / syndication.


It's a traditional commercial broadcast TV show outside of the US. They aren't going to shoot an extra 15 minutes per episode just for the US audience.
 
2017-09-30 06:47:28 PM  

amb: I'm giving the Orville a chance.  The single sex species was an interesting commentary on the current transgender issues.


Yeah, it 's obviously Seth's trying to piss people off but that's fine. It's what he does.
 
2017-09-30 06:51:35 PM  

Invincible: Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

This was my problem with it. The only characters really developed were the captain, who might be cool but is a bit overly wise, number 1, who is pretty much Danny Rand of the trek universe, and the science officer/punching bag. I'm not sure which one i want them to kill off first.


The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team.  Yeah, it makes for so-called great entertainment, but that's what I liked about TNG and DS9, where the Captains acted like someone in charge.

Other aspects of Discovery are the ship itself.  As has been noted, the tech is well beyond anything shown in TOS along with the huge bridge.  I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark.  The introduction of the Captain and Number One was written for 8 year olds where the characters are having a discussion which they tell each other their respective responsibilities, Starfleet's responsibilities, and how they feel about each other.  There wasn't a proper presenting of the characters where the audience can discern the relationship.  The second part ended with a clip of what the season will bring, and it looks like a generic shoot 'em up space show with the Trek brand slapped on it.

I didn't care for Oorville when I watched the first two episodes mainly due to the juvenile humor (don't get me wrong, I loved Ted, but it's out of place for me in this setting); however, McFarlane did a better job of setting up the premise of his show than CBS did with Discovery.
 
2017-09-30 06:53:31 PM  

grokca: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

It was called VD when I was a kid.


It was "Le Disease Francais Etoile" in my day.
 
2017-09-30 06:56:41 PM  

grokca: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

It was called VD when I was a kid.


Voyager Discovery?

I thought it was all about Star Trek Insurrections these days.
 
2017-09-30 06:56:49 PM  

BATMANATEE: Far Cough: Mugato: Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls

I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.

And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?  The limit only makes sense if they plan to air on a time limited format like traditional live commercial broadcast TV / syndication.

It's a traditional commercial broadcast TV show outside of the US. They aren't going to shoot an extra 15 minutes per episode just for the US audience.


It is?  I thought it was Netflix-only outside of the US.  This year anyhow.
 
2017-09-30 06:58:18 PM  
Very interesting. The religious group on the show made bad assumptions based on inaccurate information. Surely Christians don't acknowledge how that could possibly apply to them, in any way.
 
2017-09-30 07:00:42 PM  

amb: I'm giving the Orville a chance.  The single sex species was an interesting commentary on the current transgender issues. The following episode was an homage to Vonnegut.


I wonder if it turns out that race was, at one time, very much two sexes, and the men just figured out a way to have children, so did away with women so nobody would nag them about their violent lifestyle.
 
2017-09-30 07:01:14 PM  
Last week's Orville didn't even approach "Who Watches the Watchers" on TNG, where Leland Palmer and Maggie Evans worship the Picard.
 
2017-09-30 07:03:26 PM  

wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.


STIGGIN IT!
 
2017-09-30 07:03:47 PM  

Far Cough: BATMANATEE: Far Cough: Mugato: Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls

I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.

And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?  The limit only makes sense if they plan to air on a time limited format like traditional live commercial broadcast TV / syndication.

It's a traditional commercial broadcast TV show outside of the US. They aren't going to shoot an extra 15 minutes per episode just for the US audience.

It is?  I thought it was Netflix-only outside of the US.  This year anyhow.


Oops. I farked up a bit. It's on regular TV in Canada so I assumed it was in other markets outside the US too, but It looks like it's Canada only.
 
2017-09-30 07:08:08 PM  

Gary-L: The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team


Eh, it might not be realistic but how is Kirk supposed to lose his shirt riding the pine on the bridge all the time?

I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark

I think everything is almost too bright in Orville. I think that was intentional too.
 
2017-09-30 07:12:25 PM  

Mugato: Gary-L: The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team

Eh, it might not be realistic but how is Kirk supposed to lose his shirt riding the pine on the bridge all the time?

I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark

I think everything is almost too bright in Orville. I think that was intentional too.


I thought Oorville's bridge was a bit too large, and the corridors too wide, but since Oorville is a spoof I figure I should give it a pass.  The more I read other sources with feedback about Oorville I'm seeing it is definitely a worthy successor of the Trek brand.  I don't know if I'll bother to make an effort to watch any more of Discovery.
 
2017-09-30 07:14:44 PM  
Who cares? Religions need to go away. (Begin hipster atheist screed)
 
2017-09-30 07:23:54 PM  

Gary-L: I don't know if I'll bother to make an effort to watch any more of Discovery.


Not for $10/month anyway. Not that I give a shiat about the money, it's the principle. Is there any way to find out how many rubes subscribed to this thing, anyway?
 
2017-09-30 07:25:44 PM  

Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.


I don't disagree, but would that still get a big enough paying audience?

The characters were soooo blase'.
 
2017-09-30 07:30:20 PM  

optikeye: The Orville is better Star Trek than today's Star Trek.


This. The "free" episode of STD left me feeling like I had one.
 
2017-09-30 07:33:02 PM  

lindalouwho: Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

I don't disagree, but would that still get a big enough paying audience?

The characters were soooo blase'.


That's what I meant, make interesting characters. What they're really missing is a sarcastic or cynical character that the audience can relate to, like McCoy in TOS, Tripp in Enterprise, several people in DS9, TNG....well everyone had a stick up their ass in TNG.
 
2017-09-30 07:35:25 PM  

Mugato: Gary-L: I don't know if I'll bother to make an effort to watch any more of Discovery.

Not for $10/month anyway. Not that I give a shiat about the money, it's the principle. Is there any way to find out how many rubes subscribed to this thing, anyway?


I streamed it from sites that somehow got a hold of both episodes.  The really stupid plot element is when Sarek is able to telepathically communicate with Burnam across the galaxy.
 
2017-09-30 07:41:22 PM  
I guess the reasoning for the likes of a post like this is irrelevant.

On the other hand, look at this f*cking top Spaniel.

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2017-09-30 07:42:37 PM  
It really is terrible that Christians are forced to watch TV shows that offend them. Those poor things.
 
2017-09-30 07:47:13 PM  

fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.


This. The News Busters chick didn't even mention Christianity, just religion in general. The only thing she mentioned as bothering her that is unambiguously Christian is a line containing the word "scripture". And this is TFA's sole evidence of an alleged Christian backlash against the show? Welcome to Fark: no one can be bothered to RTFA, including the submitters and admins apparently.
 
2017-09-30 07:47:56 PM  
Christians are upset over The Orville.

They'll get over it.
 
2017-09-30 07:49:54 PM  

Slackfumasta: Pretty sure you could just post the headline "Christians are upset" every day, and there'd be a new article to back that up.


More accurately, "A small group of some Christians".  I'm a Christian, and I watch the show and enjoy it.  At least it's capable of getting people to think about something other than "how is Jack going to fool Mr Roper this week?".  And if your faith can't withstand a little fun-poking, then maybe it's time to reconsider it.
 
2017-09-30 07:50:08 PM  

Any Pie Left: Fundies hate your sci-fi chow?  You're doing something right, Seth.  In the TOS days, fundies complained about Spock looking satanic and the Kirk-Uhura kiss, among other things.

I think the episode was a little rushed and could have thought the plot idea thru more deeply, but there's never time enough to make something as good as you want it to be in television.

Something I'd like to see if this show gets more seasons is re-visiting some of the story settings and characters at certain points.  Kirk was "one and done" in all his episodes, never came back to deal with what he'd left behind - until the movies came out and they revisited Khan's story.   Part of the fun in building up a cannon for a new show is that you are building re-usable parts and settings and characters and telling bigger stories than a 43-minute script can contain.   Payoff of backstory is of of the best kinds of fan service because loyal fans can appreciate it the most and recognize it easier.


I like the idea of revisiting.  I always thought one of the weaker aspects of Star Trek was the total resolution of society wide issues at the end of episodes by a little bit of benevolent guidance from the a star ship crew.

With the Orville bio-ship episode, I'd fully expect there to be factions that do not take events well and commit sabotage, terrorism or other actions to cause problems.  That leaves ample opportunity for a revisit because the ship was damaged from within and needed assistance.  Maybe there could be civil war and the reformers call for help from the union and the union has to decide whether to intervene and become embroiled in a violent mess that could leave the union facing the possibility of facing terroristic retaliation by third party sympathizers, etc.
 
2017-09-30 07:53:17 PM  

Brynden Rivers: fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.

This. The News Busters chick didn't even mention Christianity, just religion in general. The only thing she mentioned as bothering her that is unambiguously Christian is a line containing the word "scripture". And this is TFA's sole evidence of an alleged Christian backlash against the show? Welcome to Fark: no one can be bothered to RTFA, including the submitters and admins apparently.


Anything that generates controversy generates pageviews. Pageviews pay the bills for everybody - Newsbusters, Fark, even Fox.
 
2017-09-30 07:53:36 PM  

Gary-L: Invincible: Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

This was my problem with it. The only characters really developed were the captain, who might be cool but is a bit overly wise, number 1, who is pretty much Danny Rand of the trek universe, and the science officer/punching bag. I'm not sure which one i want them to kill off first.

The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team.  Yeah, it makes for so-called great entertainment, but that's what I liked about TNG and DS9, where the Captains acted like someone in charge.


Yeah, that one's always been weird logically.  I know if a capital ship captain even thought about just randomly dealing themselves in on a mission into territory that was manifestly unsafe... yeah well you wouldn't have a ship for very long.  Not your damn job, Captain.  Now the "Ok well this area is safe enough this is a diplomatic mission" or whatnot, sure.  And sometimes stuff does go wrong from there.  But beyond that, they'd send your butt back to Annapolis for remedial officer training if you kept pulling that crap short of a deathly emergency that absolutely and unarguably requires your presence.

/yeah, it's not meant to be reality, it's meant to be entertaining - I know
//still though, it IS a big suspension of disbelief kicker for me
///sort of like movies with guns that apparently have infinite amounts of ammo, etc.  It's ok in a "This a goofy-arse movie, we all know it, fine" kind of production.  Not so good in something serious
 
2017-09-30 07:53:54 PM  

Gary-L: Mugato: Gary-L: The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team

Eh, it might not be realistic but how is Kirk supposed to lose his shirt riding the pine on the bridge all the time?

I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark

I think everything is almost too bright in Orville. I think that was intentional too.

I thought Oorville's bridge was a bit too large, and the corridors too wide, but since Oorville is a spoof I figure I should give it a pass.  The more I read other sources with feedback about Oorville I'm seeing it is definitely a worthy successor of the Trek brand.  I don't know if I'll bother to make an effort to watch any more of Discovery.


The aesthetic is intentional.  It's not supposed to look like every "gritty" submarine in space show where no one knows how to replace the missing light bulbs.
 
2017-09-30 07:59:29 PM  
Don't like what is in the show?  Then don't watch it.

/anyone help me with this jar of pickles?
 
2017-09-30 08:01:35 PM  

Billy Liar: Slackfumasta: Pretty sure you could just post the headline "Christians are upset" every day, and there'd be a new article to back that up.

More accurately, "A small group of some Christians".


Realistically, one person claiming to represent a group
 
2017-09-30 08:02:58 PM  

ChiliBoots: I like the idea of revisiting.  I always thought one of the weaker aspects of Star Trek was the total resolution of society wide issues at the end of episodes by a little bit of benevolent guidance from the a star ship crew.


DS9 and Enterprise were the only shows that had over-reaching arcs. You'd think Voyager would but it really didn't. With Voyager it was really annoying because the ship would be practically destroyed in one episode and be in pristine condition the next. It should have deteriorated as the show went on and they were running out of resources.
 
2017-09-30 08:03:16 PM  

LesserEvil: amb: I'm giving the Orville a chance.  The single sex species was an interesting commentary on the current transgender issues. The following episode was an homage to Vonnegut.

I wonder if it turns out that race was, at one time, very much two sexes, and the men just figured out a way to have children, so did away with women so nobody would nag them about their violent lifestyle.


That's exactly what it is.  Females are literally suppressed, genetically and sometimes surgically, and their home planet is a free-fire zone where they shoot at shuttles for fun, with a ruined atmosphere.
 
2017-09-30 08:03:48 PM  
Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.
 
2017-09-30 08:05:53 PM  

real_headhoncho: Don't like what is in the show?  Then don't watch it.

/anyone help me with this jar of pickles?


What you guys don't get is they don't watch shows they like, they watch shows that offend them and they can warn others about to save their souls.
 
2017-09-30 08:06:46 PM  
 fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.

Unfortunately, the Klingons are indeed based on Trumpers. Another reason I said "Noope" to watching.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/22/star-trek-discovery-creators-our-kli​n​gons-are-secretly-trumpsters/
 
2017-09-30 08:06:56 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Who cares? Religions need to go away. (Begin hipster atheist screed)


LOL ... not having invisible, magic friends makes you a "hipster" now. Did your invisible friend tell you that??
 
2017-09-30 08:09:37 PM  

HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.


The idea that religion is going to to disappear in 200 years is absurd. Money and internal wars too.
 
2017-09-30 08:13:15 PM  
The fundies are butthurt? Must be a day that ends in Y. Maybe they should release more Left Behind movies.
 
2017-09-30 08:14:05 PM  

real_headhoncho: Don't like what is in the show?  Then don't watch it.

/anyone help me with this jar of pickles?


Halston Sage has a gig with Vlasic when she wants it.
 
2017-09-30 08:14:58 PM  
I think the thing that I like the most about The Orville, is that it harkens back to a time when science fiction tv was fun. Nowadays, sci-fi TV seems hell-bent on being as deadly serious all the time as it possibly can, because I AM SERIOUS DRAMA, and you had better be impressed and respect this work of very serious art, you peon! STD is a reflection of that mindset. It's also one of the core reasons why it sucks so much.

I grew up on the Gil Gerard Buck Rogers, and the original 70's Battlestar Galactica (with the robot dog). I grew up on QUARK, Knight Rider, Automan, and Misfits of Science. Shows that weren't afraid to just be fun.

I forgot how much I missed that. Entertainment that's actually entertaining. What a concept.
 
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