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2017-09-30 02:20:15 PM  
Grumpy cat good jpg
 
2017-09-30 02:34:48 PM  
FOAD, whiners.
 
2017-09-30 02:38:43 PM  
Cool, so I should start watching then.
 
2017-09-30 02:42:16 PM  
When will the oppression of America's majority religion stop?
 
2017-09-30 02:43:17 PM  
The Orville is better Star Trek than today's Star Trek.
 
2017-09-30 02:43:25 PM  
Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.
 
2017-09-30 02:45:10 PM  

optikeye: The Orville is better Star Trek than today's Star Trek.


Watched both The Orville and STD today.  Unless it shows up on Netflix, that will be the last STD I watch.
 
2017-09-30 02:54:19 PM  
A friend lent me access to his account to watch discovery. Passable spaceship porn, but I wasn't really that impressed either. The Orville is exactly what I expected from the 'Family Guy' production crew: irreverence and chaos between dicorcees on the bridge of a starship. It's highly entertaining in that right.

As a trek fan, watching the first officer of a starship order pot brownies from the replicator fulfills one sci-fi dream of mine: mcfarlane really may have gone to Hollywood to make a sinfully funny trek knockoff, and people who don't like it should tune out if they don't want to be offended by the irreverence, just like most viewers did with family guy. That said, that show did have a steep drop in funny at some point...
 
2017-09-30 02:56:30 PM  
Jesus whined less while he was on the cross than today's Christians do over a farking TV show. Get some goddamn perspective.
 
2017-09-30 03:02:10 PM  

wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.


Actually, the plot was first done in '63 by Robert Heinlein.
 
2017-09-30 03:04:39 PM  

optikeye: The Orville is better Star Trek than today's Star Trek.


No doubt about it.
 
2017-09-30 03:18:26 PM  

wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.


It was called VD when I was a kid.
 
2017-09-30 03:27:17 PM  

wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.


It also has a bit of "The Paradise Syndrome" with the stoning to death
 
2017-09-30 03:28:23 PM  
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Yeah, Christians are such an oppressed minority in this country. Talk about snowflakes.

/IIRC McFarlane and Roddenberry are both atheists (well, Gene was, but he's dead)
//Going to keep watching The Orville just because it hurts the Religious Right's fee-fees
///Waiting for the stupid cries by the thin-skinned God-botherers to boycott the show
 
2017-09-30 03:48:02 PM  
I thought they'd have been angry about a species that only contains males.
 
2017-09-30 03:57:43 PM  
What does God need with a starship?
 
2017-09-30 04:00:16 PM  

wooden_badger: optikeye: The Orville is better Star Trek than today's Star Trek.

Watched both The Orville and STD today.  Unless it shows up on Netflix, that will be the last STD I watch.


As long as you practice safe sex, you should be ok.
 
2017-09-30 04:07:22 PM  
Good, no such thing as bad publicity.
 
2017-09-30 04:09:41 PM  
I really enjoyed it. As I watched that episode, I said to myself "now this has the flavor of original Star Trek."
 
2017-09-30 04:26:21 PM  
If it pisses off the evangelicals it's good enough for me.
 
2017-09-30 04:29:52 PM  
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2017-09-30 04:50:06 PM  
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2017-09-30 05:02:21 PM  
So these Christians never saw any of the Star Treks or did they cry about those too? What are they so upset about? Are they concerned that a TV show is going to convert people to atheism? Because they must thing their religion is pretty weak.
 
2017-09-30 05:08:06 PM  
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2017-09-30 05:29:40 PM  
And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.
 
2017-09-30 05:33:20 PM  
The beautiful thing is these assholes  don't have to watch it.
 
2017-09-30 05:35:42 PM  

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Your panties, in a twist they are! --Grover's Grandpop

 
2017-09-30 05:42:34 PM  
The lady doth protest too much, methinks
 
2017-09-30 05:43:34 PM  

IgG4: Good, no such thing as bad publicity.


It is the smartest thing the show has done so far. Nothing lie a good succès de scandèle. I am hoping they will be able to fix the too pat plotting and the mediocre, predictable writing because otherwise it is not a bad show. It has some of the good points of old fashioned SF such as humour, satire and interesting premises and thus deserves a chance to get its act together before being tossed into the One Season Fox Basket.

The scary thing is that Fox seems to have high hopes for it. That is death for anything good.
 
2017-09-30 05:44:04 PM  
This is good publicity for the show.
 
2017-09-30 05:48:45 PM  

wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.


I've watched both episodes of ST:D via some excellent streaming sites.  Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls.  The characters are badly written; the Klingons look like ass; and also the main character (Number One) is more bipolar than Captain Janeway.  Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long.  Go to any of Netflix's original programming and find the minimum runtime of any 1-hour series is 56-minutes.
 
2017-09-30 05:52:23 PM  
Fundies hate your sci-fi chow?  You're doing something right, Seth.  In the TOS days, fundies complained about Spock looking satanic and the Kirk-Uhura kiss, among other things.

I think the episode was a little rushed and could have thought the plot idea thru more deeply, but there's never time enough to make something as good as you want it to be in television.

Something I'd like to see if this show gets more seasons is re-visiting some of the story settings and characters at certain points.  Kirk was "one and done" in all his episodes, never came back to deal with what he'd left behind - until the movies came out and they revisited Khan's story.   Part of the fun in building up a cannon for a new show is that you are building re-usable parts and settings and characters and telling bigger stories than a 43-minute script can contain.   Payoff of backstory is of of the best kinds of fan service because loyal fans can appreciate it the most and recognize it easier.
 
2017-09-30 05:59:02 PM  
"Christians"
 
2017-09-30 05:59:53 PM  

Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls


I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.
 
2017-09-30 06:02:01 PM  
Push harder Seth. Next show some traitors to the "Union" flying the flag of racism and claiming it is about heritage.
 
2017-09-30 06:03:46 PM  
I'd be more shocked if there was an article about something, anything, that Xtians weren't upset about.
 
2017-09-30 06:06:34 PM  

Mugato: I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise


I really liked the design of the Shenzhou. The bottom-of-the-saucer bridge with the windows was very cool.

It was supposed to be an old design.
 
2017-09-30 06:07:13 PM  

Mugato: Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls

I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.


They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.
 
2017-09-30 06:11:38 PM  
What doesn't piss them off?

They seem to get more upset over some sort of popular culture thing than they do over real issues like racism, poverty or other real problems.
 
2017-09-30 06:13:13 PM  
I knew fundie kids that were expressly forbidden from watching Star Trek TNG when it was on. It was secular humanist which was just the devil's work. Yes, that is what I was told. Of course, the kid really wanted to watch it.
 
2017-09-30 06:13:56 PM  
Fark your feelings!

Don't FARKING watch, morans.
 
2017-09-30 06:14:17 PM  
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2017-09-30 06:15:03 PM  
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2017-09-30 06:16:04 PM  
Hey offended Christians. Remember this:

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2017-09-30 06:16:27 PM  
Pretty sure you could just post the headline "Christians are upset" every day, and there'd be a new article to back that up.
 
2017-09-30 06:18:09 PM  
If they don't like it, they can try making their own sci-fi show. I'm farking sick of people whining about how some show or movie or comic book or music or whatever isn't pandering to their specific ideology. You don't like it, whatever, come up with your own thing, instead of expecting everybody to do things your way. I don't give a fark if it's Christians, alt-righters, PC lefties, or what the fark ever. They're all a bunch of annoying assholes.
 
2017-09-30 06:18:16 PM  

dennysgod: Hey offended Christians. Remember this:

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Pretty sure that's what Jesus said to the second Corinthians.
 
2017-09-30 06:19:38 PM  

Mugato: Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls

I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.


And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?  The limit only makes sense if they plan to air on a time limited format like traditional live commercial broadcast TV / syndication.
 
2017-09-30 06:21:14 PM  
The society in the show worshiped a false god and stuck to beliefs that were not only factually, objectively, and provably incorrect, they were beliefs that would lead to the death of all in their society.

If Christians see that and think it applies to them, who am I to argue?
 
2017-09-30 06:21:23 PM  

LectertheChef: If they don't like it, they can try making their own sci-fi show. I'm farking sick of people whining about how some show or movie or comic book or music or whatever isn't pandering to their specific ideology. You don't like it, whatever, come up with your own thing, instead of expecting everybody to do things your way. I don't give a fark if it's Christians, alt-righters, PC lefties, or what the fark ever. They're all a bunch of annoying assholes.


Uh, they did, roughly 2,000 years ago.  Of course it was actually a spinoff.
 
2017-09-30 06:25:04 PM  

davidphogan: I thought they'd have been angry about a species that only contains males.


I thought they'd have been angry about a species only contains males IN BED TOGETHER.
 
2017-09-30 06:26:48 PM  

mcmnky: The society in the show worshiped a false god and stuck to beliefs that were not only factually, objectively, and provably incorrect, they were beliefs that would lead to the death of all in their society.

If Christians see that and think it applies to them, who am I to argue?


Maybe they were nutty because the sun never set. Constant daylight for 2,000 years would definitely fark with their collective heads.
 
2017-09-30 06:26:52 PM  

lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.


Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.
 
2017-09-30 06:29:23 PM  
I watched the first 3episodes in succession and the third episode definitely went down a different path than the first 2.  I wonder if they continue with Spaceballesque parody or go with attempts at serious social commentary?  Either way it's better than STD.
 
2017-09-30 06:29:25 PM  
Why are they watching sci-fi anyway?  I can't imagine another popular genre that's more likely to encourage someone to reconsider their cherished perceptions of reality and make them think. Best to steer clear, Christians, or you might change your mind about something.
 
2017-09-30 06:31:30 PM  

Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.


This was my problem with it. The only characters really developed were the captain, who might be cool but is a bit overly wise, number 1, who is pretty much Danny Rand of the trek universe, and the science officer/punching bag. I'm not sure which one i want them to kill off first.
 
2017-09-30 06:32:13 PM  

dennysgod: Hey offended Christians. Remember this:

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They look so pleased with themselves.


Far Cough: And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?


I'm not their farking program director.
 
2017-09-30 06:32:32 PM  
I'm thinking at this point reporting on something that christians aren't offended by would be the real news.
 
amb
2017-09-30 06:35:27 PM  
I'm giving the Orville a chance.  The single sex species was an interesting commentary on the current transgender issues. The following episode was an homage to Vonnegut.
 
2017-09-30 06:39:01 PM  

fusillade762: mcmnky: The society in the show worshiped a false god and stuck to beliefs that were not only factually, objectively, and provably incorrect, they were beliefs that would lead to the death of all in their society.

If Christians see that and think it applies to them, who am I to argue?

Maybe they were nutty because the sun never set. Constant daylight for 2,000 years would definitely fark with their collective heads.


That would also explain what happened to the British Empire.
 
2017-09-30 06:46:28 PM  

Far Cough: Mugato: Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls

I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.

And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?  The limit only makes sense if they plan to air on a time limited format like traditional live commercial broadcast TV / syndication.


It's a traditional commercial broadcast TV show outside of the US. They aren't going to shoot an extra 15 minutes per episode just for the US audience.
 
2017-09-30 06:47:28 PM  

amb: I'm giving the Orville a chance.  The single sex species was an interesting commentary on the current transgender issues.


Yeah, it 's obviously Seth's trying to piss people off but that's fine. It's what he does.
 
2017-09-30 06:51:35 PM  

Invincible: Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

This was my problem with it. The only characters really developed were the captain, who might be cool but is a bit overly wise, number 1, who is pretty much Danny Rand of the trek universe, and the science officer/punching bag. I'm not sure which one i want them to kill off first.


The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team.  Yeah, it makes for so-called great entertainment, but that's what I liked about TNG and DS9, where the Captains acted like someone in charge.

Other aspects of Discovery are the ship itself.  As has been noted, the tech is well beyond anything shown in TOS along with the huge bridge.  I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark.  The introduction of the Captain and Number One was written for 8 year olds where the characters are having a discussion which they tell each other their respective responsibilities, Starfleet's responsibilities, and how they feel about each other.  There wasn't a proper presenting of the characters where the audience can discern the relationship.  The second part ended with a clip of what the season will bring, and it looks like a generic shoot 'em up space show with the Trek brand slapped on it.

I didn't care for Oorville when I watched the first two episodes mainly due to the juvenile humor (don't get me wrong, I loved Ted, but it's out of place for me in this setting); however, McFarlane did a better job of setting up the premise of his show than CBS did with Discovery.
 
2017-09-30 06:53:31 PM  

grokca: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

It was called VD when I was a kid.


It was "Le Disease Francais Etoile" in my day.
 
2017-09-30 06:56:41 PM  

grokca: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

It was called VD when I was a kid.


Voyager Discovery?

I thought it was all about Star Trek Insurrections these days.
 
2017-09-30 06:56:49 PM  

BATMANATEE: Far Cough: Mugato: Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls

I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.

And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?  The limit only makes sense if they plan to air on a time limited format like traditional live commercial broadcast TV / syndication.

It's a traditional commercial broadcast TV show outside of the US. They aren't going to shoot an extra 15 minutes per episode just for the US audience.


It is?  I thought it was Netflix-only outside of the US.  This year anyhow.
 
2017-09-30 06:58:18 PM  
Very interesting. The religious group on the show made bad assumptions based on inaccurate information. Surely Christians don't acknowledge how that could possibly apply to them, in any way.
 
2017-09-30 07:00:42 PM  

amb: I'm giving the Orville a chance.  The single sex species was an interesting commentary on the current transgender issues. The following episode was an homage to Vonnegut.


I wonder if it turns out that race was, at one time, very much two sexes, and the men just figured out a way to have children, so did away with women so nobody would nag them about their violent lifestyle.
 
2017-09-30 07:01:14 PM  
Last week's Orville didn't even approach "Who Watches the Watchers" on TNG, where Leland Palmer and Maggie Evans worship the Picard.
 
2017-09-30 07:03:26 PM  

wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.


STIGGIN IT!
 
2017-09-30 07:03:47 PM  

Far Cough: BATMANATEE: Far Cough: Mugato: Gary-L: Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls

I don't like to judge a show on its first episode, especially Trek but it was pretty bad. I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise but I wouldn't know about it anyway since I'm not doing their streaming service bullshiat.

Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long

That's because they have two options $10 for no commercials and $6 for commercials included so it has to have the running time as if it had commercials.

And how exactly does that make ANY sense when none of the pertinent delivery vehicles (CBS "AA" streaming, Netflix streaming, pirate streaming, and pirate downloads) care 2 shiats whether a program is 40 minutes or 400 minutes?  The limit only makes sense if they plan to air on a time limited format like traditional live commercial broadcast TV / syndication.

It's a traditional commercial broadcast TV show outside of the US. They aren't going to shoot an extra 15 minutes per episode just for the US audience.

It is?  I thought it was Netflix-only outside of the US.  This year anyhow.


Oops. I farked up a bit. It's on regular TV in Canada so I assumed it was in other markets outside the US too, but It looks like it's Canada only.
 
2017-09-30 07:08:08 PM  

Gary-L: The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team


Eh, it might not be realistic but how is Kirk supposed to lose his shirt riding the pine on the bridge all the time?

I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark

I think everything is almost too bright in Orville. I think that was intentional too.
 
2017-09-30 07:12:25 PM  

Mugato: Gary-L: The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team

Eh, it might not be realistic but how is Kirk supposed to lose his shirt riding the pine on the bridge all the time?

I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark

I think everything is almost too bright in Orville. I think that was intentional too.


I thought Oorville's bridge was a bit too large, and the corridors too wide, but since Oorville is a spoof I figure I should give it a pass.  The more I read other sources with feedback about Oorville I'm seeing it is definitely a worthy successor of the Trek brand.  I don't know if I'll bother to make an effort to watch any more of Discovery.
 
2017-09-30 07:14:44 PM  
Who cares? Religions need to go away. (Begin hipster atheist screed)
 
2017-09-30 07:23:54 PM  

Gary-L: I don't know if I'll bother to make an effort to watch any more of Discovery.


Not for $10/month anyway. Not that I give a shiat about the money, it's the principle. Is there any way to find out how many rubes subscribed to this thing, anyway?
 
2017-09-30 07:25:44 PM  

Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.


I don't disagree, but would that still get a big enough paying audience?

The characters were soooo blase'.
 
2017-09-30 07:30:20 PM  

optikeye: The Orville is better Star Trek than today's Star Trek.


This. The "free" episode of STD left me feeling like I had one.
 
2017-09-30 07:33:02 PM  

lindalouwho: Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

I don't disagree, but would that still get a big enough paying audience?

The characters were soooo blase'.


That's what I meant, make interesting characters. What they're really missing is a sarcastic or cynical character that the audience can relate to, like McCoy in TOS, Tripp in Enterprise, several people in DS9, TNG....well everyone had a stick up their ass in TNG.
 
2017-09-30 07:35:25 PM  

Mugato: Gary-L: I don't know if I'll bother to make an effort to watch any more of Discovery.

Not for $10/month anyway. Not that I give a shiat about the money, it's the principle. Is there any way to find out how many rubes subscribed to this thing, anyway?


I streamed it from sites that somehow got a hold of both episodes.  The really stupid plot element is when Sarek is able to telepathically communicate with Burnam across the galaxy.
 
2017-09-30 07:41:22 PM  
I guess the reasoning for the likes of a post like this is irrelevant.

On the other hand, look at this f*cking top Spaniel.

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2017-09-30 07:42:37 PM  
It really is terrible that Christians are forced to watch TV shows that offend them. Those poor things.
 
2017-09-30 07:47:13 PM  

fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.


This. The News Busters chick didn't even mention Christianity, just religion in general. The only thing she mentioned as bothering her that is unambiguously Christian is a line containing the word "scripture". And this is TFA's sole evidence of an alleged Christian backlash against the show? Welcome to Fark: no one can be bothered to RTFA, including the submitters and admins apparently.
 
2017-09-30 07:47:56 PM  
Christians are upset over The Orville.

They'll get over it.
 
2017-09-30 07:49:54 PM  

Slackfumasta: Pretty sure you could just post the headline "Christians are upset" every day, and there'd be a new article to back that up.


More accurately, "A small group of some Christians".  I'm a Christian, and I watch the show and enjoy it.  At least it's capable of getting people to think about something other than "how is Jack going to fool Mr Roper this week?".  And if your faith can't withstand a little fun-poking, then maybe it's time to reconsider it.
 
2017-09-30 07:50:08 PM  

Any Pie Left: Fundies hate your sci-fi chow?  You're doing something right, Seth.  In the TOS days, fundies complained about Spock looking satanic and the Kirk-Uhura kiss, among other things.

I think the episode was a little rushed and could have thought the plot idea thru more deeply, but there's never time enough to make something as good as you want it to be in television.

Something I'd like to see if this show gets more seasons is re-visiting some of the story settings and characters at certain points.  Kirk was "one and done" in all his episodes, never came back to deal with what he'd left behind - until the movies came out and they revisited Khan's story.   Part of the fun in building up a cannon for a new show is that you are building re-usable parts and settings and characters and telling bigger stories than a 43-minute script can contain.   Payoff of backstory is of of the best kinds of fan service because loyal fans can appreciate it the most and recognize it easier.


I like the idea of revisiting.  I always thought one of the weaker aspects of Star Trek was the total resolution of society wide issues at the end of episodes by a little bit of benevolent guidance from the a star ship crew.

With the Orville bio-ship episode, I'd fully expect there to be factions that do not take events well and commit sabotage, terrorism or other actions to cause problems.  That leaves ample opportunity for a revisit because the ship was damaged from within and needed assistance.  Maybe there could be civil war and the reformers call for help from the union and the union has to decide whether to intervene and become embroiled in a violent mess that could leave the union facing the possibility of facing terroristic retaliation by third party sympathizers, etc.
 
2017-09-30 07:53:17 PM  

Brynden Rivers: fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.

This. The News Busters chick didn't even mention Christianity, just religion in general. The only thing she mentioned as bothering her that is unambiguously Christian is a line containing the word "scripture". And this is TFA's sole evidence of an alleged Christian backlash against the show? Welcome to Fark: no one can be bothered to RTFA, including the submitters and admins apparently.


Anything that generates controversy generates pageviews. Pageviews pay the bills for everybody - Newsbusters, Fark, even Fox.
 
2017-09-30 07:53:36 PM  

Gary-L: Invincible: Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

This was my problem with it. The only characters really developed were the captain, who might be cool but is a bit overly wise, number 1, who is pretty much Danny Rand of the trek universe, and the science officer/punching bag. I'm not sure which one i want them to kill off first.

The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team.  Yeah, it makes for so-called great entertainment, but that's what I liked about TNG and DS9, where the Captains acted like someone in charge.


Yeah, that one's always been weird logically.  I know if a capital ship captain even thought about just randomly dealing themselves in on a mission into territory that was manifestly unsafe... yeah well you wouldn't have a ship for very long.  Not your damn job, Captain.  Now the "Ok well this area is safe enough this is a diplomatic mission" or whatnot, sure.  And sometimes stuff does go wrong from there.  But beyond that, they'd send your butt back to Annapolis for remedial officer training if you kept pulling that crap short of a deathly emergency that absolutely and unarguably requires your presence.

/yeah, it's not meant to be reality, it's meant to be entertaining - I know
//still though, it IS a big suspension of disbelief kicker for me
///sort of like movies with guns that apparently have infinite amounts of ammo, etc.  It's ok in a "This a goofy-arse movie, we all know it, fine" kind of production.  Not so good in something serious
 
2017-09-30 07:53:54 PM  

Gary-L: Mugato: Gary-L: The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team

Eh, it might not be realistic but how is Kirk supposed to lose his shirt riding the pine on the bridge all the time?

I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark

I think everything is almost too bright in Orville. I think that was intentional too.

I thought Oorville's bridge was a bit too large, and the corridors too wide, but since Oorville is a spoof I figure I should give it a pass.  The more I read other sources with feedback about Oorville I'm seeing it is definitely a worthy successor of the Trek brand.  I don't know if I'll bother to make an effort to watch any more of Discovery.


The aesthetic is intentional.  It's not supposed to look like every "gritty" submarine in space show where no one knows how to replace the missing light bulbs.
 
2017-09-30 07:59:29 PM  
Don't like what is in the show?  Then don't watch it.

/anyone help me with this jar of pickles?
 
2017-09-30 08:01:35 PM  

Billy Liar: Slackfumasta: Pretty sure you could just post the headline "Christians are upset" every day, and there'd be a new article to back that up.

More accurately, "A small group of some Christians".


Realistically, one person claiming to represent a group
 
2017-09-30 08:02:58 PM  

ChiliBoots: I like the idea of revisiting.  I always thought one of the weaker aspects of Star Trek was the total resolution of society wide issues at the end of episodes by a little bit of benevolent guidance from the a star ship crew.


DS9 and Enterprise were the only shows that had over-reaching arcs. You'd think Voyager would but it really didn't. With Voyager it was really annoying because the ship would be practically destroyed in one episode and be in pristine condition the next. It should have deteriorated as the show went on and they were running out of resources.
 
2017-09-30 08:03:16 PM  

LesserEvil: amb: I'm giving the Orville a chance.  The single sex species was an interesting commentary on the current transgender issues. The following episode was an homage to Vonnegut.

I wonder if it turns out that race was, at one time, very much two sexes, and the men just figured out a way to have children, so did away with women so nobody would nag them about their violent lifestyle.


That's exactly what it is.  Females are literally suppressed, genetically and sometimes surgically, and their home planet is a free-fire zone where they shoot at shuttles for fun, with a ruined atmosphere.
 
2017-09-30 08:03:48 PM  
Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.
 
2017-09-30 08:05:53 PM  

real_headhoncho: Don't like what is in the show?  Then don't watch it.

/anyone help me with this jar of pickles?


What you guys don't get is they don't watch shows they like, they watch shows that offend them and they can warn others about to save their souls.
 
2017-09-30 08:06:46 PM  
 fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.

Unfortunately, the Klingons are indeed based on Trumpers. Another reason I said "Noope" to watching.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/22/star-trek-discovery-creators-our-kli​n​gons-are-secretly-trumpsters/
 
2017-09-30 08:06:56 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Who cares? Religions need to go away. (Begin hipster atheist screed)


LOL ... not having invisible, magic friends makes you a "hipster" now. Did your invisible friend tell you that??
 
2017-09-30 08:09:37 PM  

HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.


The idea that religion is going to to disappear in 200 years is absurd. Money and internal wars too.
 
2017-09-30 08:13:15 PM  
The fundies are butthurt? Must be a day that ends in Y. Maybe they should release more Left Behind movies.
 
2017-09-30 08:14:05 PM  

real_headhoncho: Don't like what is in the show?  Then don't watch it.

/anyone help me with this jar of pickles?


Halston Sage has a gig with Vlasic when she wants it.
 
2017-09-30 08:14:58 PM  
I think the thing that I like the most about The Orville, is that it harkens back to a time when science fiction tv was fun. Nowadays, sci-fi TV seems hell-bent on being as deadly serious all the time as it possibly can, because I AM SERIOUS DRAMA, and you had better be impressed and respect this work of very serious art, you peon! STD is a reflection of that mindset. It's also one of the core reasons why it sucks so much.

I grew up on the Gil Gerard Buck Rogers, and the original 70's Battlestar Galactica (with the robot dog). I grew up on QUARK, Knight Rider, Automan, and Misfits of Science. Shows that weren't afraid to just be fun.

I forgot how much I missed that. Entertainment that's actually entertaining. What a concept.
 
2017-09-30 08:15:41 PM  

ReaverZ: Billy Liar: Slackfumasta: Pretty sure you could just post the headline "Christians are upset" every day, and there'd be a new article to back that up.

More accurately, "A small group of some Christians".

Realistically, one person claiming to represent a group


You've never been to school board meetings, have you?
 
2017-09-30 08:15:46 PM  
Have these people ever seen Lucifer or the even more blasphemous Supernatural? Or did every fundie that saw them die of a heart attack?
 
2017-09-30 08:18:10 PM  

Gary-L: The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team. Yeah, it makes for so-called great entertainment, but that's what I liked about TNG and DS9, where the Captains acted like someone in charge.


Yeah, but nobody wants to see the adventures of Ensign Ricky's Away Team.  Same with Stargate.  Nobody's champing at the bit to watch the adventures of SG-7 while the main characters play ping-pong and practice their golf drive into the open gate...actually, no, that's good too.
 
2017-09-30 08:22:28 PM  

wooden_badger: optikeye: The Orville is better Star Trek than today's Star Trek.

Watched both The Orville and STD today.  Unless it shows up on Netflix, that will be the last STD I watch.


Wait, the Kartrashians have a new sex tape out?

/not sure what to make of The Orville
//thought it would be satire and funny, but it seems like pretty straight forward old school Star Trek
 
2017-09-30 08:24:51 PM  

Znuh: fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll. She also seems to think the new Klingons on Discovery are based on Trump.

Unfortunately, the Klingons are indeed based on Trumpers. Another reason I said "Noope" to watching.

https://www.salon.com/2017/09/22/star-trek-discovery-creators-our-klin​gons-are-secretly-trumpsters/

an extremist Klingon sect - scream "Remain Klingon," something deliberately reminiscent of "Make America Great Again."


Sounds more like "Jews will not replace us".
 
2017-09-30 08:27:41 PM  

OhioUGrad: not sure what to make of The Orville
//thought it would be satire and funny, but it seems like pretty straight forward old school Star Trek


The people in the future drink heavily.  It's the booze that makes it fun.
 
2017-09-30 08:29:42 PM  

Mugato: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

The idea that religion is going to to disappear in 200 years is absurd. Money and internal wars too.


It's like they forgot that the actress who played The Emissary's wife is on The Orville...

See also:  "The Founders ARE gods!"
 
2017-09-30 08:36:16 PM  

real_headhoncho: OhioUGrad: not sure what to make of The Orville
//thought it would be satire and funny, but it seems like pretty straight forward old school Star Trek

The people in the future drink heavily.  It's the booze that makes it fun.


So, it's based on Fark?
 
2017-09-30 08:38:06 PM  

OhioUGrad: real_headhoncho: OhioUGrad: not sure what to make of The Orville
//thought it would be satire and funny, but it seems like pretty straight forward old school Star Trek

The people in the future drink heavily.  It's the booze that makes it fun.

So, it's based on Fark?


No... there would be more shiatposting and begging for money.
 
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2017-09-30 08:39:58 PM  
Then take a knee during the opening theme.

/We know from past instances that you're not smart enough to turn to a different channel.
 
2017-09-30 08:43:00 PM  

jbc: Then take a knee during the opening theme.

/We know from past instances that you're not smart enough to turn to a different channel.


Uh it's not going to be on a channel again, gotta pay for CBS AllAccess to get anymore.
But thanks for trying to play!
 
2017-09-30 08:44:17 PM  

lindalouwho: jbc: Then take a knee during the opening theme.

/We know from past instances that you're not smart enough to turn to a different channel.

Uh it's not going to be on a channel again, gotta pay for CBS AllAccess to get anymore.
But thanks for trying to play!


Well I farked that up, going between this thread and the one about ST:D

/oops
 
2017-09-30 08:45:17 PM  
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2017-09-30 08:53:00 PM  
Back in the 60s when I was a wee lad my dad was a religious nut.  Twice a day Sunday and Wednesday evenings off to church we went.  I was about 10 when I started asking questions, and got answers like "you have to have faith".  My response, at 10 y/o mind you, was along the lines of "if I had faith would I be asking these questions?".  That got me beat more than once.

Anywhoo, preacher went on about the lyrics of the Beatles song Revolution.  I hadn't yet discovered AM-FM radio yet.  With dads approval I built a Heathkit short wave receiver that had an AM band.  12 y/o me finally heard Revolution, listened to the lyrics, and was all WTF preacher man?

That was the final nail in the coffin of me ever being religious.  These assholes tie their panties in a bunch based on what other people say, not on actually listening to what people are saying.  They can all DIAF for all I care.

/ except dad
// he's 89, out of his mind
/// if he DIAFs my inheritance goes to shiat
 
2017-09-30 08:57:00 PM  

hugram: [img.fark.net image 850x681]


Is that real? Does your country with supposed separation of Church and State actually have laws preventing atheists from holding office?

If that's true (and I will check that out), WTF.
 
2017-09-30 08:59:04 PM  

MLWS: hugram: [img.fark.net image 850x681]

Is that real? Does your country with supposed separation of Church and State actually have laws preventing atheists from holding office?

If that's true (and I will check that out), WTF.


Wow, they are on the books for several states but are unenforceable due to the first amendment and article VI of the constitution.

Still....wow.
 
2017-09-30 09:04:37 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Yeah, that one's always been weird logically.  I know if a capital ship captain even thought about just randomly dealing themselves in on a mission into territory that was manifestly unsafe... yeah well you wouldn't have a ship for very long.  Not your damn job, Captain.  Now the "Ok well this area is safe enough this is a diplomatic mission" or whatnot, sure.  And sometimes stuff does go wrong from there.  But beyond that, they'd send your butt back to Annapolis for remedial officer training if you kept pulling that crap short of a deathly emergency that absolutely and unarguably requires your presence.


The Enterprise has pretty much always been the flagship of the federation, the best of the best -- which actually makes the Orville more interesting, in that it's just a run-of-the-mill, mid-level ship with a "no one's first choice" of a captain. They'll be more likely to need help getting bailed out themselves.
 
2017-09-30 09:05:45 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: I watched the first 3episodes in succession and the third episode definitely went down a different path than the first 2.  I wonder if they continue with Spaceballesque parody or go with attempts at serious social commentary?  Either way it's better than STD.


It's not a parody, it's more of a loving homage. I liked it right from the start, and it definitely is the most Star Trek-y show in many years, but the 3rd and 4th episodes are like the writers are channeling TOS, but injecting a little humor. And thankfully, the humor is kept to a dull roar, so the show doesn't devolve into a bunch of crude humor the whole time. Just enough to keep it light and breezy, and make the characters sound more realistically human.

I've been a Trekkie since the only Start Trek that existed was TOS, and I gotta say... I am loving The Orville. I hope it has more seasons. MacFarlane is doing something really great here for scifi.

STD.... is good, but it's certainly not Star Trek, and it has some big flaws. It's pretty - VERY pretty - and is high on drama and tension. If you liked the intensity of BSG, then you might like STD where they took that level of intensity and significantly increased it further.

But on the negative side....... it's farking full to the goddamned brim of tension and drama. So far there's no sign at all of the bright hopeful future stuff we all love Star Trek for. I felt tense after watching it, it was not a relaxing show at all, it's dreary. It's very distracting that they set it in the Star Trek universe, and so close in time to TOS, since if you do know Star Trek you find it constantly distracting how poorly it fits in to Star Trek.

And the main character - Michael - is an asshole, and should be in space jail for the rest of her life as of the end of episode 2. She is reckless, farks up royally a bunch, is arrogant, and mutinous. She has no place in a team environment, and if she was a member of my crew I might have just spaced her ass. The actress does a great job, it's nothing to do with her. She's a great actress, and does a great job as written. It's the character that sucks, and should be sucking vacuum.
 
2017-09-30 09:09:01 PM  

Moooooo K: Cool, so I should start watching then.


Watching horrible shows because it pisses someone off is why The Big Bang Theory's been on for 10 years.
 
2017-09-30 09:17:07 PM  
I like The Orville, STD AND BBT, come at me bro!

More importantly, The Orville's ratings are solid so far.  Whip up some fundie indignation and we just might see a second season!

/take the fun out of fundie and all you have left is die
//drinking is fun
 
2017-09-30 09:26:53 PM  

mongbiohazard: Igor Jakovsky: I watched the first 3episodes in succession and the third episode definitely went down a different path than the first 2.  I wonder if they continue with Spaceballesque parody or go with attempts at serious social commentary?  Either way it's better than STD.

It's not a parody, it's more of a loving homage. I liked it right from the start, and it definitely is the most Star Trek-y show in many years, but the 3rd and 4th episodes are like the writers are channeling TOS, but injecting a little humor. And thankfully, the humor is kept to a dull roar, so the show doesn't devolve into a bunch of crude humor the whole time. Just enough to keep it light and breezy, and make the characters sound more realistically human.

I've been a Trekkie since the only Start Trek that existed was TOS, and I gotta say... I am loving The Orville. I hope it has more seasons. MacFarlane is doing something really great here for scifi.

STD.... is good, but it's certainly not Star Trek, and it has some big flaws. It's pretty - VERY pretty - and is high on drama and tension. If you liked the intensity of BSG, then you might like STD where they took that level of intensity and significantly increased it further.

But on the negative side....... it's farking full to the goddamned brim of tension and drama. So far there's no sign at all of the bright hopeful future stuff we all love Star Trek for. I felt tense after watching it, it was not a relaxing show at all, it's dreary. It's very distracting that they set it in the Star Trek universe, and so close in time to TOS, since if you do know Star Trek you find it constantly distracting how poorly it fits in to Star Trek.

And the main character - Michael - is an asshole, and should be in space jail for the rest of her life as of the end of episode 2. She is reckless, farks up royally a bunch, is arrogant, and mutinous. She has no place in a team environment, and if she was a member of my crew I might have just spaced her ass. The ac ...


And the weird thing is, she's supposed to have graduated from the Vulcan Academy, despite having virtually no control over her emotions at any time to the point where you can't understand how she graduated from Starfleet Academy either. Unless there's a plot point where being fostered by a Vulcan has made her literally insane with emotional problems this really doesn't make any sense, though actually it would still not make sense that she's in Starfleet and has somehow advanced to the rank she has.
 
2017-09-30 09:27:07 PM  
We are? Dammnit, this is what I get for missing staff meetings.
 
2017-09-30 09:31:07 PM  
Hey christians, fark off!
 
2017-09-30 09:32:50 PM  

Mugato: The idea that religion is going to to disappear in 200 years is absurd. Money and internal wars too.


Not really -- 200 years is 8 generations. How many of your great- great- great- great- great- great- grandfather's most deeply held beliefs do you personally still adhere to?
Personally I don't believe in 95% of the stuff my own grandparents once held for truth.

Religion needs desperation and hope to thrive, and for people to cling onto it -- in a post-scarce economy, there is little need for people to turn to religion to look for answers, help, or solace, since no one ever has to worry anymore where their next meal will come from anyway.
It's not far-fetched at all that the masses won't be religious after a few centuries of plentiness.

(Just look around -- religion has been in massive decline for decades in wealthy countries with decent social safetynets around the world. Already in this day and age, the high religiousness of the US is an exception and not the norm in the industrialized world.)

And as far as money and wars not being a thing anymore: again, post-scarcity.
Today, everyone on earth needs to compete for resources. There is a limited amount of materials, production capacity, workmanship, raw materials and resources in existence, and money is merely a token you posses to show how much of those limited resources you personally are entitled to be allocated.

In a society with free, limitless energy and technology like replicators, all of those go out the window. There simply is no longer a 'cost' associated with replicating anything, and your desire to get a 70" TV doesn't affect me in any way -- it's not like there's one sitting on the shelve that we both want to buy and are competing for, and I don't give a hoot if you crank out a dozen TV's for yourself in your garage, it won't have any direct impact on me whatsoever.

(Of course, the introduction of these kind of technologies would be extremely disrupting... You really don't want to see how long the waiting lines are Disneyland are when anyone has the day off and you're just a 10 second teleporter ride away from any tourist destination on the planet. Tourism will be dead.)
 
2017-09-30 09:34:33 PM  
When Devil's Due originally aired I don't think anyone realized how thoroughly anti-religion it was. TNG fans still completely miss what the episode is about and give it low marks.

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2017-09-30 09:35:49 PM  

davidphogan: I thought they'd have been angry about a species that only contains males.


It's called "Bohemian Grove".
 
2017-09-30 09:46:46 PM  

Excelsior: In a society with free, limitless energy and technology like replicators, all of those go out the window


First of all, replicators weren't around until TNG.

And on the religion thing, you're being too specific. There has been some kind of religion in pretty much every civilization since there were civilizations. That's not going away in 200 years.
 
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2017-09-30 10:03:03 PM  

HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.


Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.
 
2017-09-30 10:08:34 PM  
The Klingons killed their gods but they still have an afterlife.
 
2017-09-30 10:11:03 PM  

HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.


Bajoran religion, not Earther
 
2017-09-30 10:18:17 PM  

IlGreven: Moooooo K: Cool, so I should start watching then.

Watching horrible shows because it pisses someone off is why The Big Bang Theory's been on for 10 years.


it's fun and it's not reality tv

/ too many serious relationships though
// it need to turn out to been a fever dream Lenard had after seeing Penny for the first time
 
2017-09-30 10:18:50 PM  
FTFA, attributed to Gene Rod&berries:

"For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain."

WTF?

Read more at World Religion News: "Why Is The New TV Show 'The Orville' Upsetting Christians?" http://www.worldreligionnews.com/?p=43531
 
2017-09-30 10:18:52 PM  

docpeteyJ: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]

Yeah, Christians are such an oppressed minority in this country. Talk about snowflakes.

/IIRC McFarlane and Roddenberry are both atheists (well, Gene was, but he's dead)
//Going to keep watching The Orville just because it hurts the Religious Right's fee-fees
///Waiting for the stupid cries by the thin-skinned God-botherers to boycott the show


For the devout psychos it ia never enough to be allowed to freely worship, they are only happy when forcing every one else to confirm as well. That makes it a mental illness.
 
2017-09-30 10:19:02 PM  

optikeye: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

Actually, the plot was first done in '63 by Robert Heinlein.


Heinlein's "Universe" may not have been the first use of that plot.  Generation Ship stories have been done many times.

Personally, I thought 'The Orville's version was closer to the failed TV series 'The Starlost'.

Not wishing any ill will to Star Trek: Discovery, but so far, I've been enjoying The Orville quite a bit.  If it's pissing off the Christian nutcases, even better.
 
2017-09-30 10:24:20 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.


See also:

Son of God mention on Star Trek
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2017-09-30 10:25:49 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: docpeteyJ: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]

Yeah, Christians are such an oppressed minority in this country. Talk about snowflakes.

/IIRC McFarlane and Roddenberry are both atheists (well, Gene was, but he's dead)
//Going to keep watching The Orville just because it hurts the Religious Right's fee-fees
///Waiting for the stupid cries by the thin-skinned God-botherers to boycott the show

For the devout psychos it ia never enough to be allowed to freely worship, they are only happy when forcing every one else to confirm as well. That makes it a mental illness.


These types freak out about non-existent Islamic Sharia law taking over when they want to enforce their own Evangelical Christian version of it. (like the so-called anti-LGBT "religious freedom" laws that allow for the discrimination THEY want).
 
2017-09-30 10:29:24 PM  
For everyone giving examples of humans in Trek mentioning religion, they also sporadically mention money which they don't claim to use anymore so they never knew what they were doing.
 
2017-09-30 10:30:14 PM  

ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Bajoran religion, not Earther


Well, yeah.  So?  Bajor and its religion (particularly the Bajorans' worship of the lead character, his relationship with religious leaders, etc.) were central to the show.
 
2017-09-30 10:36:09 PM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: ...
And the weird thing is, she's supposed to have graduated from the Vulcan Academy, despite having virtually no control over her emotions at any time to the point where you can't understand how she graduated from Starfleet Academy either. Unless there's a plot point where being fostered by a Vulcan has made her literally insane with emotional problems this really doesn't make any sense, though actually it would still not make sense that she's in Starfleet and has somehow advanced to the rank she has.


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We trained her wrong.  As a joke.
 
2017-09-30 10:43:08 PM  
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2017-09-30 11:20:53 PM  
Jeez lotta STD hate. Everyone knows treks starts off real well.


Also there was a huge battle and I don't expect every episode to have a battle like that. Also we havent even met the rest of the main cast or learned what the bridge crew is actually like. If we just ignore those factors and prejudge the next 13 epusodes based on a gaint battle opener, then yeah it'll be boring.

So I still have hope that it can do things.  Not saying it for sure will but the people in here picking apart their dislike of one scene then saying definitively its utter shiat through and through, that seems dumb.

You are probably right it will just stay a blockbustery shoot em up clone, but it hasnt been doomed purely to that roll yet, I don't think.

I liked the touches like the ethical protocol, holograms not being perfect, hull shielda not instantaneously covering damage, more lifesystem gadgets on other species. It gave me hope that they so care about the science side. I mean it was the start of a war and the dude discovered cloaking, of course it'll be mostly battle right now. I think my opinion will mostly come down to what they do with ranins role.

On topic, for sure gonna check out Seth's show now based off this thread.
 
2017-09-30 11:29:26 PM  
I really like The Orville.  The comedy is weak, but is rather refreshing for a "sci-fi" show.  I just watched the most recent one, and that big ship was really cool.  I'm going to keep dvr'ing it and watching it.
 
2017-09-30 11:32:32 PM  

HighOnCraic: Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.

See also:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8Efi75W5U1Q]


That clip shows why both STD, the orville, and all the series in between pale in comparison to the original. Although TNG was watchable.
 
2017-09-30 11:33:29 PM  

Gary-L: Invincible: Mugato: lindalouwho: They left us no option but to judge it on its first episode.

Well I hate to speak for the lowest common denominator but to capture an audience in the first episode there should have been more explosions and less roaming around Tattooine. But they also should have introduced characters the audience would give a shiat about, made the tech look more like the Kirk/Spock era without looking campy or cheesy and gotten rid of the guy who talks and acts like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.

This was my problem with it. The only characters really developed were the captain, who might be cool but is a bit overly wise, number 1, who is pretty much Danny Rand of the trek universe, and the science officer/punching bag. I'm not sure which one i want them to kill off first.

The one flaw with Discovery is the same as TOS -- that being the Captain is part of an away team.  Yeah, it makes for so-called great entertainment, but that's what I liked about TNG and DS9, where the Captains acted like someone in charge.

Other aspects of Discovery are the ship itself.  As has been noted, the tech is well beyond anything shown in TOS along with the huge bridge.  I can't stand the muted tones.  Everything is dark.  The introduction of the Captain and Number One was written for 8 year olds where the characters are having a discussion which they tell each other their respective responsibilities, Starfleet's responsibilities, and how they feel about each other.  There wasn't a proper presenting of the characters where the audience can discern the relationship.  The second part ended with a clip of what the season will bring, and it looks like a generic shoot 'em up space show with the Trek brand slapped on it.

I didn't care for Oorville when I watched the first two episodes mainly due to the juvenile humor (don't get me wrong, I loved Ted, but it's out of place for me in this setting); however, McFarlane did a better job of setting up the premise of his show ...


The thing I like about the show is that the humor is NOT the focus, it's just there as an addition - and given McFarlane's past it's really toned down from his other works. The show is a great show, it just has people that talk like normal people today.

The references aren't even that thick in comparison to other works, there are a couple here and there but nothing too glaring or out of place. I think each episode has gotten progressively better, and the cast fits well with one another. They are also tackling some great topics, the 4th episode (probably what TFA is about - I haven't read it yet) is a smack in the face to religion in general.
 
2017-09-30 11:46:59 PM  
A reason why it's reported Christians are offended is probably because the show most likey is outlawed in Muslim countries.
 
2017-10-01 12:12:27 AM  

Mugato: For everyone giving examples of humans in Trek mentioning religion, they also sporadically mention money which they don't claim to use anymore so they never knew what they were doing.


They mention 'credits' but it's really not clear what the difference is. Notably, credits only seem to be used for non-food items that they replicate from federation replicators, or food items from non-federation replicators, or goods or services from other cultures. They never have to pay for medical services or food from federation replicators. Credits may be like a share of the total amount of energy which humans are capable of generating which can be traded, and ultimately redeemed in the form of some amount of used energy from a replicator, but which often function as a form of currency. It's not clear how it differs from money but there is never any talk of borrowing credits or banks or interest. The writers never do nail it down. Humans seem to have their basic needs met, housing, medical care and food without credits, though.
 
2017-10-01 12:14:59 AM  

HighOnCraic: ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Bajoran religion, not Earther

Well, yeah.  So?  Bajor and its religion (particularly the Bajorans' worship of the lead character, his relationship with religious leaders, etc.) were central to the show.


they revered Sisko, they didn't worship him. The point was the Earthers had moved beyond religion. We only see religion through alien eyes.
 
2017-10-01 12:21:43 AM  

Mugato: So these Christians never saw any of the Star Treks or did they cry about those too? What are they so upset about? Are they concerned that a TV show is going to convert people to atheism? Because they must thing their religion is pretty weak.


In general, they were rarely smart enough to realize when Star Trek was mocking them, like in any episode involving the Q or Borg hive mentality.
 
2017-10-01 12:24:35 AM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: Humans seem to have their basic needs met, housing, medical care and food without credits, though.


Well Scotty said he bought a boat and Picard owns a big ass vineyard that apparently no one can buy from him if they want one. And people keep talking about replicators that once again weren't mentioned until TNG.

Well anyway, Trek will still be around in some form and everyone will be laughing about how wrong they were.
 
2017-10-01 12:25:49 AM  

Mugato: Dark Side Of The Spoon: Humans seem to have their basic needs met, housing, medical care and food without credits, though.

Well Scotty said he bought a boat and Picard owns a big ass vineyard that apparently no one can buy from him if they want one. And people keep talking about replicators that once again weren't mentioned until TNG.

Well anyway, Trek will still be around in some form and everyone will be laughing about how wrong they were.


.....in 200 years that is
 
2017-10-01 12:43:46 AM  

ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Bajoran religion, not Earther

Well, yeah.  So?  Bajor and its religion (particularly the Bajorans' worship of the lead character, his relationship with religious leaders, etc.) were central to the show.

they revered Sisko, they didn't worship him. The point was the Earthers had moved beyond religion. We only see religion through alien eyes.


I don't want to get into a whole side debate about whether Sisko was revered or worshiped; my point is that the show was primarily about Bajor, not Earth.  Seeing their religion (and other aspects of their culture) through alien eyes was central to the show, and for many of the fans, that was the best part.  On other versions of Star Trek, and even some of the "bottle shows" on DS9, we stumble across an alien culture, we see one or two aspects of it played out for an hour (minus commercials), and then we move on and forget about it.  With DS9, the idea was to examine Bajoran culture in the aftermath of the Occupation, in great detail, over an extended period of time, and see how fractured it was.  Some of the best episodes prior to the Dominion War arc (in my opinion) are about the conflict between various factions in the Provisional Government (like "The Circle" episodes).

And it has been suggested that the Occupation was a metaphor for events back here on Earth...

Some Trekkers do see parallels between the Cardassian persecution of Bajorans and the Nazi ... But others see the Bajorans as Palestinians, with the Cardassians representing the Israeli occupation.

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2017-10-01 12:55:58 AM  
What I want to say about the competing Star Treks is that no Star Trek series has ever had a compelling pilot or even a particularly good first season. None.
STD's only actually interesting character was the Prey Species guy. The visuals were cool on my expensive TV, but they were also very dark and too busy. I didn't like the palette, either. Michael-Spock was implausibly impulsive not just for someone raised in a Vulcan tradition, but also as a military officer. Why wasn't she on a shuttle again? Why did they let the first officer go? Why not send someone qualified to do analysis of the object? Why the fark did she touch it? She was the author of every one of the problems that happened in the first two episodes. But, OK. First installment weirdness. I'll probably steal the first season and at least let it play as background noise.

The Orville, on the other hand, had a meh first episode but then started in with what seem to me like good mid-series TNG episodes. There's a lot of shorthand that comes from trodding familiar ground, but contemporary socail mores are different and I really like that I've seen the crew of the ship be openly disrespectful toward regressive authority figures. The humor doesn't overwhelm the sci-fi elements and other than the lack of discussion of a Prime Directive, I haven't really seen anything that makes me think The Orville is incompatible with any other Star Trek series. It's just this one is run by a bigger collection of screw-ups than even Voyager. I also like that the third episode had a fairly Pyrrhic ending. Sometimes the people with correct opinions aren't the ones who get to claim a win.
 
2017-10-01 01:01:39 AM  

ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Bajoran religion, not Earther


There may have been some stories with subtle parallels to Earther religion...

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Covenant_(episode)
 
2017-10-01 01:20:07 AM  

HighOnCraic: metaphor for events back here on Earth...


Almost everything was a metaphor about something happening on Earth
 
2017-10-01 01:24:14 AM  

ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: metaphor for events back here on Earth...

Almost everything was a metaphor about something happening on Earth


Then we're finally in agreement!  :-)
 
2017-10-01 01:26:23 AM  

HighOnCraic: ReaverZ: HighOnCraic: metaphor for events back here on Earth...

Almost everything was a metaphor about something happening on Earth

Then we're finally in agreement!  :-)


we always were, it was just a discussion about word choice :-)
 
2017-10-01 02:39:32 AM  
I only came here to say that Star Trek: Enterprise has the worst TV theme song ever!
 
2017-10-01 02:41:30 AM  

Farking Canuck: Mugato: I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise

I really liked the design of the Shenzhou. The bottom-of-the-saucer bridge with the windows was very cool.

It was supposed to be an old design.


I just don't get the criticism of those who complain that these ships all look newer than the original Enterprise. I don't think they would be happy unless all the sets were made of wood and the uniforms made of shiatty fabric. Goddamn crybabies...
 
2017-10-01 02:41:31 AM  

Mugato: Dark Side Of The Spoon: Humans seem to have their basic needs met, housing, medical care and food without credits, though.

Well Scotty said he bought a boat and Picard owns a big ass vineyard that apparently no one can buy from him if they want one. And people keep talking about replicators that once again weren't mentioned until TNG.

Well anyway, Trek will still be around in some form and everyone will be laughing about how wrong they were.


Boats and vineyards aren't basic needs, people are able to own businesses and have private property and trade credits so there is no reason Scotty couldn't buy a boat if he saved his credits or Picard's family couldn't own a vineyard. I think it's more like an expanded universal income, you get a certain amount, including a basic housing allowance if you want, but if you want more you do something to get credits and get what you want. Replicated wine is free from a replicator, but someone would have to use credits to get 'real' wine because that is something which is finite, and for which scarcity exists. And boats probably cost something because if everyone were allowed to replicate infinite mega yachts for fun it would just clog up the ocean. There is finite space for boats so it makes sense there is a cost involved with having a boat and place to dock it.
 
2017-10-01 02:46:14 AM  

whosits_112: Farking Canuck: Mugato: I would accept any contrived goofy reason why their ship looks like it's 50 years newer than the TNG Enterprise

I really liked the design of the Shenzhou. The bottom-of-the-saucer bridge with the windows was very cool.

It was supposed to be an old design.

I just don't get the criticism


Really, because it has been explained a lot
 
2017-10-01 03:20:08 AM  

FormlessOne: Brynden Rivers: fusillade762: And by "Christians" they mean someone named Callista Ring over at Newsbusters who appears to be their resident media concern troll.

This. The News Busters chick didn't even mention Christianity, just religion in general. The only thing she mentioned as bothering her that is unambiguously Christian is a line containing the word "scripture". And this is TFA's sole evidence of an alleged Christian backlash against the show? Welcome to Fark: no one can be bothered to RTFA, including the submitters and admins apparently.

Anything that generates controversy generates pageviews. Pageviews pay the bills for everybody - Newsbusters, Fark, even Fox.


This. Just a troll bait headline and wait for the simple bites. The article couldn't even post a single facebook/twitter outrage comment from a single random individual (much less Christian organization claiming to speak for Christians) for this alleged great upset over Orville? There's more outrage and bravado on Fark over the alleged Christian outrage than Christian outrage even on the "Follow the Conversation on Twitter" the very article links.

Fark - a place for simplistic comments on article headlines and/or to hijack a thread for a better topic (in this case the Orville show and/or how it compares to other Treks/sci-fi).
 
2017-10-01 03:34:11 AM  

Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.


Kirk: "Computer. Calculate. The circumference. Of my penis. To the last decimal."

AI: "DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NO(@#|$%/+"
 
2017-10-01 03:52:02 AM  

Bermuda59: What doesn't piss them off?

They seem to get more upset over some sort of popular culture thing than they do over real issues like racism, poverty or other real problems.


Of course they do. This is that nasty, toxic fusion of religious fundamentalism and extreme right wing politics that is the hallmark of people who completely and utterly do not care at all about anyone other than themselves, not even in the slightest.

They are white, therefore do not care about treatment of racial minorities.
They don't live in poverty, thus do not care about people without adequate food, housing or healthcare.
They aren't gay or transgendered, therefore do not care about those people's basic human rights.

Their religion serves two purposes for them. First, it allows them an unlimited excuse for abject self-aggrandisement. They are faithful Christians, so they claim, and thus are the very best, most morally upstanding people as a result. The second is to provide a cover for their callous and atrocious mistreatment of others, as they can dismiss any of their quite legitimate needs as being from those who are both inferior to themselves and undeserving.

However, if something does affect them personally in some way they don't like, then they will immediately use that to scream and moan about being the victims of terrible injustice, no matter how pointless or trivial that perceived slight may be. Such as being told 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'. We should be seeing the mass tantrum over that one start up again any day now. Or the existence of television programmes that they are in no way forced to watch with content that does not meet with their personal approval.

Or that a science class might teach, you know, science while allowing them to teach their religion freely in their own homes and churches.Or whatever thing that they read in a Fwd:Fwd:Fwd about what a student at a college they do not attend and will never even set foot upon said, or worst of all a statement by a politician or public figure that suggests that people who aren't of their specific religion might somehow be deserving of equal status along with themselves.
 
2017-10-01 03:54:05 AM  

Chainsaw Turd Elf: I only came here to say that Star Trek: Enterprise has the worst TV theme song ever!


It was better than what they did with ST:Discovery IMHO.
 
2017-10-01 04:23:59 AM  

dennysgod: Hey offended Christians. Remember this:

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Do we know the names of these people?  Not because I want to do them any kind of harm, I just want to celebrate the day each one of them dies.
 
2017-10-01 05:31:51 AM  

ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]


Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D
 
2017-10-01 08:22:18 AM  

wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.


STDs usually cause a great deal of whining.
 
2017-10-01 08:30:41 AM  

Gary-L: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

I've watched both episodes of ST:D via some excellent streaming sites.  Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls.  The characters are badly written; the Klingons look like ass; and also the main character (Number One) is more bipolar than Captain Janeway.  Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long.  Go to any of Netflix's original programming and find the minimum runtime of any 1-hour series is 56-minutes.


Then again, the entire first season of TNG was terrible, but they recovered.
 
2017-10-01 08:48:17 AM  

Excelsior: Mugato: The idea that religion is going to to disappear in 200 years is absurd. Money and internal wars too.

Not really -- 200 years is 8 generations. How many of your great- great- great- great- great- great- grandfather's most deeply held beliefs do you personally still adhere to?
Personally I don't believe in 95% of the stuff my own grandparents once held for truth.

Religion needs desperation and hope to thrive, and for people to cling onto it -- in a post-scarce economy, there is little need for people to turn to religion to look for answers, help, or solace, since no one ever has to worry anymore where their next meal will come from anyway.
It's not far-fetched at all that the masses won't be religious after a few centuries of plentiness.

(Just look around -- religion has been in massive decline for decades in wealthy countries with decent social safetynets around the world. Already in this day and age, the high religiousness of the US is an exception and not the norm in the industrialized world.)

And as far as money and wars not being a thing anymore: again, post-scarcity.
Today, everyone on earth needs to compete for resources. There is a limited amount of materials, production capacity, workmanship, raw materials and resources in existence, and money is merely a token you posses to show how much of those limited resources you personally are entitled to be allocated.

In a society with free, limitless energy and technology like replicators, all of those go out the window. There simply is no longer a 'cost' associated with replicating anything, and your desire to get a 70" TV doesn't affect me in any way -- it's not like there's one sitting on the shelve that we both want to buy and are competing for, and I don't give a hoot if you crank out a dozen TV's for yourself in your garage, it won't have any direct impact on me whatsoever.

(Of course, the introduction of these kind of technologies would be extremely disrupting... You really don't want to see how long the waiting lines are Disneyland are when anyone has the day off and you're just a 10 second teleporter ride away from any tourist destination on the planet. Tourism will be dead.)


The Diamond Age gives an example of a non-utopian post-scarcity society.
 
2017-10-01 09:18:04 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Gary-L: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

I've watched both episodes of ST:D via some excellent streaming sites.  Long story short, Discovery sucks giant donkey balls.  The characters are badly written; the Klingons look like ass; and also the main character (Number One) is more bipolar than Captain Janeway.  Oh, CBS is delivering the show via its online access port, yet the episodes are 40-minutes long.  Go to any of Netflix's original programming and find the minimum runtime of any 1-hour series is 56-minutes.

Then again, the entire first season of TNG was terrible, but they recovered.


Bad shows don't get second seasons now and TNG had time to rewrite and reshoot
 
2017-10-01 09:28:06 AM  

Brynden Rivers: Welcome to Fark: no one can be bothered to RTFA, including the submitters and admins apparently.


You're new?
 
2017-10-01 10:25:54 AM  

likefunbutnot: What I want to say about the competing Star Treks is that no Star Trek series has ever had a compelling pilot or even a particularly good first season. None.
STD's only actually interesting character was the Prey Species guy. The visuals were cool on my expensive TV, but they were also very dark and too busy. I didn't like the palette, either. Michael-Spock was implausibly impulsive not just for someone raised in a Vulcan tradition, but also as a military officer. Why wasn't she on a shuttle again? Why did they let the first officer go? Why not send someone qualified to do analysis of the object? Why the fark did she touch it? She was the author of every one of the problems that happened in the first two episodes. But, OK. First installment weirdness. I'll probably steal the first season and at least let it play as background noise.

The Orville, on the other hand, had a meh first episode but then started in with what seem to me like good mid-series TNG episodes. There's a lot of shorthand that comes from trodding familiar ground, but contemporary socail mores are different and I really like that I've seen the crew of the ship be openly disrespectful toward regressive authority figures. The humor doesn't overwhelm the sci-fi elements and other than the lack of discussion of a Prime Directive, I haven't really seen anything that makes me think The Orville is incompatible with any other Star Trek series. It's just this one is run by a bigger collection of screw-ups than even Voyager. I also like that the third episode had a fairly Pyrrhic ending. Sometimes the people with correct opinions aren't the ones who get to claim a win.


Sorry to disagree with you, but DS9 is my favorite of the Trek series and I have been rewatching it on Netflix the last few weeks.  It has a better first season than any other Trek series that, now that I'm watching it again, sets up the premise of the entire series, all the way to the end, very well.

One premise I always thought would make for a great Trek series is the books based on the Starfleet Core of Engineers.
 
2017-10-01 10:38:46 AM  

Gary-L: Sorry to disagree with you, but DS9 is my favorite of the Trek series and I have been rewatching it on Netflix the last few weeks.  It has a better first season than any other Trek series that, now that I'm watching it again, sets up the premise of the entire series, all the way to the end, very well.


Remember that DS9 started in the middle of TNG's run... So all the first-season bugs were worked out in TNG, and DS9 was just another project that started with what they'd already learned by that time. It had a supreme advantage over TNG, which was starting up in as the first Trek show on television since 1973 (if you count the animated series).

TNG had to basically start fresh. DS9 had already-existing TNG resources, directors, writers, crew, and actors to make it work.
 
2017-10-01 12:03:18 PM  

iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D


The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.
 
2017-10-01 12:28:42 PM  

ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.


Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.


I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.
 
2017-10-01 01:05:58 PM  

WilderKWight: Gary-L: Sorry to disagree with you, but DS9 is my favorite of the Trek series and I have been rewatching it on Netflix the last few weeks.  It has a better first season than any other Trek series that, now that I'm watching it again, sets up the premise of the entire series, all the way to the end, very well.

Remember that DS9 started in the middle of TNG's run... So all the first-season bugs were worked out in TNG, and DS9 was just another project that started with what they'd already learned by that time. It had a supreme advantage over TNG, which was starting up in as the first Trek show on television since 1973 (if you count the animated series).

TNG had to basically start fresh. DS9 had already-existing TNG resources, directors, writers, crew, and actors to make it work.


Reread what I quoted.  likefunbutnot stated "What I want to say about the competing Star Treks is that no Star Trek series has ever had a compelling pilot or even a particularly good first season. None."

DS9 stared while TNG was on the air, and it started off well written.  Voyager started while DS9 was still on the air; however, it was badly executed out of the gate and never improved.  Yes, it was the flagship show for the fledgling UPN network, but in that case more effort should have been poured into the show.  Instead, like CBS is doing with Discovery, it's crap with the Trek brand slapped on it in a feeble attempt to attract the established fan base.
 
2017-10-01 01:15:44 PM  

iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.

I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.


All episodes stream from here: https://www.fox.com/the-orville/

Not sure if it works over the pond, I hope it does!
 
2017-10-01 01:22:01 PM  

ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.

I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.

All episodes stream from here: https://www.fox.com/the-orville/

Not sure if it works over the pond, I hope it does!


Well, the proxy I'm currently using is "US East" ;D

Thanks, pal!

/Also everyone needs to see Hyperdrive.
 
2017-10-01 01:32:07 PM  
Why don;t they just watch Bibleman?

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2017-10-01 01:36:28 PM  

iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.

I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.

All episodes stream from here: https://www.fox.com/the-orville/

Not sure if it works over the pond, I hope it does!

Well, the proxy I'm currently using is "US East" ;D

Thanks, pal!

/Also everyone needs to see Hyperdrive.


Almost forgot:
img.fark.netView Full Size

YOU'RE WELCOME!
 
2017-10-01 02:02:05 PM  

ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: iron de havilland: ArthurVandelay: [img.fark.net image 692x1060]

Boo.

Needs more Trek space helmet ;D

The The Orville has not earned helmet status yet, almost.  Really the only issue I have with the show; unfortunately, is Seth's character.

Yeah, but my comment was about your Kai wossername DS9 pic :P

Go put a Trek helmet on her. Fark needs it.

Everything (aside from techmology) is believable, except his character.  If I didn't know better, I'd say he knows little of sci-fi acting.

Get off the snide remarks, or write good ones.

Also, Norm is being under utilized.

I've not seen it at all yet, don't know when/where/how it's going to be shown in the UK.

In the meantime, it does sound like the same vein as Hyperdrive.

All episodes stream from here: https://www.fox.com/the-orville/

Not sure if it works over the pond, I hope it does!

Well, the proxy I'm currently using is "US East" ;D

Thanks, pal!

/Also everyone needs to see Hyperdrive.

Almost forgot:
[img.fark.net image 850x636]
YOU'RE WELCOME!


el o effing el.

Top bloke, chief ;D
 
2017-10-01 02:58:59 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: When will the oppression of America's majority religion stop?


That isn't saying much.  That's a bar set pretty damn low.
 
2017-10-01 03:17:22 PM  

Farking Canuck: HST's Dead Carcass: Who cares? Religions need to go away. (Begin hipster atheist screed)

LOL ... not having invisible, magic friends makes you a "hipster" now. Did your invisible friend tell you that??


Huh? What are you talking aboot?
 
2017-10-01 06:32:22 PM  
Just watched the episode. Feel like they missed an opportunity when the phrase "Oh my God" is uttered. They could have asked, "Who is this 'God' of which you speak? There is only Dural," or some other such thing.

Of course, this isn't TNG, so...
 
2017-10-01 06:48:40 PM  

IgG4: Good, no such thing as bad publicity.


That's such a stupid expression. Tell that to Mel Gibson or Tom Cruise.
 
2017-10-01 07:43:46 PM  

optikeye: wooden_badger: Did they whine as loudly when "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" aired?

Anyway, the more these triggered babies whine, the more I'll watch.

Let's see if STD can cause the same amount of whining.

Actually, the plot was first done in '63 by Robert Heinlein.

Universe

and Common Sensewere both published in Astounding Science Fiction in 1941. The two novellas were put together and published as Orphans of the Sky in 1963.
 
2017-10-01 09:18:58 PM  
Thanks for the heads up  Christians hypocrites. Because of TFA I just watched the first episode. It is very much in the same vein as the original Star Trek and TNG, I will be setting the DVR to record new episodes sometime in the next 2 minutes. Just before I watch the next three episodes.
 
2017-10-01 10:33:32 PM  

HighOnCraic: Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.

See also:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8Efi75W5U1Q]


This.  Specifically, no matter what Roddenberry believed personally, religion was as common as ever in Star Trek. It was just appropriately private.  As in, who belonged to which faith had exactly as much to do with Federation politics and society as one's favorite bread choice for toast.  Plenty of people observed all kinds of faiths, but it had nothing to do with what kind of job you could get, or how anyone was allowed to treat you, and it definitely had nothing whatsoever to do with secular law or politics.

You'll note that in Deep Space Nine, where this all comes to a head because of the intentionally spectacular nature of the Bajoran faith, most (though not all) of the head-shaking and disbelief in "primitive superstition" doesn't come from people having problems that Bajorans believe this stuff.  It's more about "Why are the church elders allowed to tell people what to think and do, again, exactly?  And why does anyone allow themselves to be manipulated like that?"
 
2017-10-02 04:33:24 AM  

TheOtherGuy: HighOnCraic: Your_Huckleberry: HighOnCraic: Star Trek, which took place in the 23rd century, where religion has disappeared due to the dominance of science and rationality.

I don't know if "disappeared" is the right word.  Religion is mentioned a few times in TOS, and it's a big part of DS9.

Mathew Daystrom was a religious man. And so was his M5 computer.
Kirk used that when he talked M5 into self destruction, he had a talent for talking AIs into destroying themselves.

See also:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8Efi75W5U1Q]

This.  Specifically, no matter what Roddenberry believed personally, religion was as common as ever in Star Trek. It was just appropriately private.  As in, who belonged to which faith had exactly as much to do with Federation politics and society as one's favorite bread choice for toast.  Plenty of people observed all kinds of faiths, but it had nothing to do with what kind of job you could get, or how anyone was allowed to treat you, and it definitely had nothing whatsoever to do with secular law or politics.

You'll note that in Deep Space Nine, where this all comes to a head because of the intentionally spectacular nature of the Bajoran faith, most (though not all) of the head-shaking and disbelief in "primitive superstition" doesn't come from people having problems that Bajorans believe this stuff.  It's more about "Why are the church elders allowed to tell people what to think and do, again, exactly?  And why does anyone allow themselves to be manipulated like that?"


This is bad news.

For Opaka!
 
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