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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-09-30 09:45:08 AM  
40 years later I learn "Vienna" has a meaning after all.
 
2017-09-30 10:14:53 AM  
Pop singer slightly more palatable than Michael Bolton.
 
2017-09-30 10:36:47 AM  
From the town known as Wheeling, West Virginia... came a man with a piano in his hand...
 
2017-09-30 11:04:12 AM  
I still maintain that Scenes From An Italian Restaurant started as a radio jingle for some mom and pop Italian cafe in Long Island that just sort of got away from him.
 
2017-09-30 11:19:00 AM  
After hearing "She's always a woman to me" the first time I was convinced I really didn't want to meet that particular woman.
 
2017-09-30 11:38:32 AM  
Fapping with a numb hand catapulted him to a net worth of $180 million? Ok, I'll give it a shot.
 
2017-09-30 11:41:10 AM  
Piano man is a god awful song
 
2017-09-30 11:48:54 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-30 11:54:39 AM  

Tom_Slick: After hearing "She's always a woman to me" the first time I was convinced I really didn't want to meet that particular woman.


Or whomever he was referencing in Stiletto.  Someone obviously had a very dark and profound affect on him back in the day.
 
2017-09-30 11:55:05 AM  

Shostie: I still maintain that Scenes From An Italian Restaurant started as a radio jingle for some mom and pop Italian cafe in Long Island that just sort of got away from him.


He got plastered one day and drove his car right through the front of the house and into the kitchen.  Put the place out of business.  Barely made enough from the song to pay the hospital bills of the dishwashers he pinned against the walk-in.
 
2017-09-30 11:55:20 AM  

DubyaHater: Fapping with a numb hand catapulted him to a net worth of $180 million? Ok, I'll give it a shot.


Captain Jack will get you by tonight
 
2017-09-30 11:58:11 AM  

RomeoEightJuliet: Tom_Slick: After hearing "She's always a woman to me" the first time I was convinced I really didn't want to meet that particular woman.

Or whomever he was referencing in Stiletto.  Someone obviously had a very dark and profound affect on him back in the day.


Probably the same person in "Big Shot"
 
2017-09-30 12:03:18 PM  

ZAZ: 40 years later I learn "Vienna" has a meaning after all.


it means nothing to me
 
2017-09-30 12:10:48 PM  
And Uptown Girl will not perform any of those songs :(
80's Billy Joel Doo Wop Sucks
Youtube gaAX8x2qOxM
 
2017-09-30 12:20:47 PM  
I like Billy Joel a lot when I was a teenager. Now, it's either "Summer, Highland Falls" or GTFO.

/Or "Miami 2017" off "Attic," just because the whole band is putting in effort.
//Broadway only has 3 months left...
 
2017-09-30 12:29:37 PM  
 
2017-09-30 12:30:42 PM  
Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?
 
2017-09-30 12:38:30 PM  

offacue: Shostie: I still maintain that Scenes From An Italian Restaurant started as a radio jingle for some mom and pop Italian cafe in Long Island that just sort of got away from him.

He got plastered one day and drove his car right through the front of the house and into the kitchen.  Put the place out of business.  Barely made enough from the song to pay the hospital bills of the dishwashers he pinned against the walk-in.


You! I like you.
 
2017-09-30 12:47:48 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-30 12:53:18 PM  
I've seen Billy Joel about 10 times in concert, most recently at PNC Park in Pittsburgh.
It was a better show at 68 years old than I saw 25 years ago!

Haters gonna hate!
media.giphy.com
 
2017-09-30 01:00:00 PM  

Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?


It's Fark.

Where every single band in the world sucks except for their favorite local indie NIN-Radiohead-Rush cover band that you've never heard of.  The threads are entertaining at least.  Sometimes.
 
2017-09-30 01:09:13 PM  

TheFoz: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

It's Fark.

Where every single band in the world sucks except for their favorite local indie NIN-Radiohead-Rush cover band that you've never heard of.  The threads are entertaining at least.  Sometimes.


If there actually is one of those that also did Billy Joel songs, I'd shut up and give them my money.
 
2017-09-30 01:19:43 PM  
Gone In 60 Seconds edit 1
Youtube JVX01fukAHA
 
2017-09-30 01:19:47 PM  
The Stranger is one of the few albums (well, cassettes and later CDs) that I don't own simply because nearly every song off it ended up on the greatest hits tape I had anyway.
 
2017-09-30 01:22:43 PM  
CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

#40 "THEME FROM CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" - Meco
#39 "THEME FROM CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" - John Williams
#38 "(YOU'RE MY) SOUL & INSPIRATION" - Donny & Marie Osmond
#37 "HAPPY ANNIVERSARY" - The Little River Band
#36 "AS" - Stevie Wonder
#35 "LOVELY DAY" - Bill Withers
#34 "FFUN" - Con Funk Shun
#33 "TOO HOT TA TROT" - The Commodores
#32 "PEG" - Steely Dan
#31 "DON'T IT MAKE MY BROWN EYES BLUE" - Crystal Gayle
#30 "LONG, LONG WAY FROM HOME" - Foreigner
#29 "NATIVE NEW YORKER" - Odyssey
#28 "POINT OF KNOW RETURN" - Kansas
#27 "WHAT'S YOUR NAME" - Lynyrd Skynyrd
#26 "BLUE BAYOU" - Linda Ronstadt
#25 "YOU CAN'T TURN ME OFF (IN THE MIDDLE OF TURNING ME ON)" - High Inergy
#24 "DON'T LET ME BE MISUNDERSTOOD" - Santa Esmeralda
#23 "EMOTION" - Samantha Sang
#22 "YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE" - Debby Boone
#21 "DESIREE" - Neil Diamond
#20 "SENTIMENTAL LADY" - Bob Welch
#19 "I GO CRAZY" - Paul Davis
#18 "DANCE, DANCE, DANCE (YOWSAH, YOWSAH, YOWSAH)" - Chic
#17 "SERPENTINE FIRE" - Earth, Wind & Fire
#16 "TURN TO STONE" - Electric Light Orchestra
#15 "SOMETIMES WHEN WE TOUCH" - Dan Hill
#14 "(LOVE IS) THICKER THAN WATER" - Andy Gibb
#13 "RUNAROUND SUE" - Leif Garrett
#12 "BACK IN LOVE AGAIN" - LTD
#11 "JUST THE WAY YOU ARE" - Billy Joel
#10 "STAYIN' ALIVE" - The Bee Gees
#9 "COME SAIL AWAY" - Styx
#8 "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" - Queen
#7 "HEY DEANIE" - Shaun Cassidy
#6 "SLIP SLIDIN' AWAY" - Paul Simon
#5 "SHORT PEOPLE" - Randy Newman
#4 "YOU'RE IN MY HEART (THE FINAL ACCLAIM)" - Rod Stewart
#3 "HERE YOU COME AGAIN" - Dolly Parton
#2 "HOW DEEP IS YOUR LOVE" - The Bee Gees
#1 "BABY COME BACK" - Player


Ridiculously popular with my high school friends, I think it made us feel like adults or something. Took four more albums for me to figure out I was buying out of habit and not all that engaged.

/he's not awful
//except for piano man
///that's a station changer
 
2017-09-30 01:26:59 PM  

TheFoz: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

It's Fark.

Where every single band in the world sucks except for their favorite local indie NIN-Radiohead-Rush cover band that you've never heard of.  The threads are entertaining at least.  Sometimes.


I don't recall any bad things said about Dolly Parton.
 
2017-09-30 01:27:42 PM  

Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?


I don't "hate" hate him.  I just think of him as Elevated Mediocrity.
 
2017-09-30 01:29:37 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

#40 "THEME FROM CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" - Meco
#39 "THEME FROM CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" - John Williams
#38 "(YOU'RE MY) SOUL & INSPIRATION" - Donny & Marie Osmond
#37 "HAPPY ANNIVERSARY" - The Little River Band
#36 "AS" - Stevie Wonder
#35 "LOVELY DAY" - Bill Withers
#34 "FFUN" - Con Funk Shun
#33 "TOO HOT TA TROT" - The Commodores
#32 "PEG" - Steely Dan
#31 "DON'T IT MAKE MY BROWN EYES BLUE" - Crystal Gayle
#30 "LONG, LONG WAY FROM HOME" - Foreigner
#29 "NATIVE NEW YORKER" - Odyssey
#28 "POINT OF KNOW RETURN" - Kansas
#27 "WHAT'S YOUR NAME" - Lynyrd Skynyrd
#26 "BLUE BAYOU" - Linda Ronstadt
#25 "YOU CAN'T TURN ME OFF (IN THE MIDDLE OF TURNING ME ON)" - High Inergy
#24 "DON'T LET ME BE MISUNDERSTOOD" - Santa Esmeralda
#23 "EMOTION" - Samantha Sang
#22 "YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE" - Debby Boone
#21 "DESIREE" - Neil Diamond
#20 "SENTIMENTAL LADY" - Bob Welch
#19 "I GO CRAZY" - Paul Davis
#18 "DANCE, DANCE, DANCE (YOWSAH, YOWSAH, YOWSAH)" - Chic
#17 "SERPENTINE FIRE" - Earth, Wind & Fire
#16 "TURN TO STONE" - Electric Light Orchestra
#15 "SOMETIMES WHEN WE TOUCH" - Dan Hill
#14 "(LOVE IS) THICKER THAN WATER" - Andy Gibb
#13 "RUNAROUND SUE" - Leif Garrett
#12 "BACK IN LOVE AGAIN" - LTD
#11 "JUST THE WAY YOU ARE" - Billy Joel
#10 "STAYIN' ALIVE" - The Bee Gees
#9 "COME SAIL AWAY" - Styx
#8 "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" - Queen
#7 "HEY DEANIE" - Shaun Cassidy
#6 "SLIP SLIDIN' AWAY" - Paul Simon
#5 "SHORT PEOPLE" - Randy Newman
#4 "YOU'RE IN MY HEART (THE FINAL ACCLAIM)" - Rod Stewart
#3 "HERE YOU COME AGAIN" - Dolly Parton
#2 "HOW DEEP IS YOUR LOVE" - The Bee Gees
#1 "BABY COME BACK" - Player

Ridiculously popular with my high school friends, I think it made us feel like adults or something. Took four more albums for me to figure out I was buying out of habit and not all that engaged.

/he's not awful
//except for piano man
///that's a station changer


When you look at this album in the context of what else was playing on Top 40 AM radio at the time, it doesn't seem too bad, does it?
 
2017-09-30 01:29:50 PM  
I remember hearing Just the Way You Are on the radio for the first time and thinking it was a new Elton John song.  And not a great one.  It's not surprising Billy Joel's career took off during the years Elton was recovering from his 2 albums a year/constant partying 70's heyday.  Not saying Joel sucks, but he was never Elton John. Just a stop gap solution until Elton came back
 
2017-09-30 01:30:53 PM  

Mole Man: TheFoz: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

It's Fark.

Where every single band in the world sucks except for their favorite local indie NIN-Radiohead-Rush cover band that you've never heard of.  The threads are entertaining at least.  Sometimes.

I don't recall any bad things said about Dolly Parton.


Pffft.  Dolly can't hold a candle to Taylor Swift.

/scurries away
 
2017-09-30 01:35:42 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

#9 "COME SAIL AWAY" - Styx
#8 "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" - Queen


Whoa... First, I forgot that Grand Illusion was that old and second #9? It was in the top 10? That's amazing.
 
2017-09-30 01:48:39 PM  

Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?


Probably some comedian or movie character said something about him on stage or on screen
/I bet it was Ellen Page
 
2017-09-30 01:58:26 PM  

Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?


it's more like for every good song he done, he writes two bad ones.  When he's  good he's awesome; when it's bad, it's awful.
 
2017-09-30 02:14:27 PM  

TheFoz: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

It's Fark.

Where every single band in the world sucks except for their favorite local indie NIN-Radiohead-Rush cover band that you've never heard of.  The threads are entertaining at least.  Sometimes.


Nah, I farkin' hate those guys too.
 
2017-09-30 02:21:22 PM  
He gets a pass from me because of "Second Wind (Only Human)" (or maybe vice-versa, I've forgotten the formal title of the song.)  Extending a bit of hope and comfort to the distraught and donating the proceeds of the song to suicide prevention programs?  That shows some soul, and he gets a hat tip from me for that.
 
2017-09-30 02:23:44 PM  
Just watched the documentary Hired Gun this morning. Billy Joel is kind of a dick.
 
2017-09-30 02:25:19 PM  
I prefer the new wave influenced "Glass Houses" and "Nylon Curtains," along with his earlier groups (the proto-metal Atilla and the fun psych-pop\rock of The Hassles) but "The tranger" does have its' moments, like the weird prog-pop of 'Italian Restaurant.'

Here's Cold Spring Harbor with correct pitch. Even with the sound quality taking a hit, it's  so much better than the chipmunk-on-helium version that was released.

Billy Joel - "The Harbor Sessions" (1971)
Youtube TC-ssZMq96k
 
2017-09-30 02:30:55 PM  
PIANO FIGHTER IS LEAGUES SUPERIOR TO PIANO MAN
Warren Zevon - Piano Fighter
Youtube jE_epP0xwKE
 
2017-09-30 02:33:16 PM  
When I was a kid, there was a radio station in my town that my mom listened to, and at the end of the afternoon program before the news, the jock on duty would talk for a few minutes over a loop of the piano-and-whistling intro of "The Stranger".  Then it would play a little bit longer and they'd play a bird call over it, usually a loon.

Not sure where I was going with this.
 
2017-09-30 02:33:40 PM  
Just looked at tfa briefly. Those songs, the ones I'm familiar with at least, are really good songs.

And I'm sick to death of them. Have been for decades.

natural316: Piano man is a god awful song


That's the truth. Whatta godawful self-indulgent piece of claptrap with really stupid rhymes.
 
2017-09-30 02:35:43 PM  

phaseolus: Just looked at tfa briefly. Those songs, the ones I'm familiar with at least, are really good songs.

And I'm sick to death of them. Have been for decades.

natural316: Piano man is a god awful song

That's the truth. Whatta godawful self-indulgent piece of claptrap with really stupid rhymes.


So... Joel was trying to write a prog rock song?
 
2017-09-30 03:00:25 PM  

KingKauff: RomeoEightJuliet: Tom_Slick: After hearing "She's always a woman to me" the first time I was convinced I really didn't want to meet that particular woman.

Or whomever he was referencing in Stiletto.  Someone obviously had a very dark and profound affect on him back in the day.

Probably the same person in "Big Shot"


Big Shot is apparently about Bianca Jagger.
 
2017-09-30 03:08:29 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: ZAZ: 40 years later I learn "Vienna" has a meaning after all.

it means nothing to me


Bravo..very subtle.  I'd say obscure but as we all know not much is here. :)

/Oh Vienna
 
2017-09-30 03:17:03 PM  

Mole Man: TheFoz: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

It's Fark.

Where every single band in the world sucks except for their favorite local indie NIN-Radiohead-Rush cover band that you've never heard of.  The threads are entertaining at least.  Sometimes.

I don't recall any bad things said about Dolly Parton.


She beefs in the shower and heels it down the drain
 
amb
2017-09-30 03:18:11 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

#40 "THEME FROM CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" - Meco
#39 "THEME FROM CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" - John Williams
#38 "(YOU'RE MY) SOUL & INSPIRATION" - Donny & Marie Osmond
#37 "HAPPY ANNIVERSARY" - The Little River Band
#36 "AS" - Stevie Wonder
#35 "LOVELY DAY" - Bill Withers
#34 "FFUN" - Con Funk Shun
#33 "TOO HOT TA TROT" - The Commodores
#32 "PEG" - Steely Dan
#31 "DON'T IT MAKE MY BROWN EYES BLUE" - Crystal Gayle
#30 "LONG, LONG WAY FROM HOME" - Foreigner
#29 "NATIVE NEW YORKER" - Odyssey
#28 "POINT OF KNOW RETURN" - Kansas
#27 "WHAT'S YOUR NAME" - Lynyrd Skynyrd
#26 "BLUE BAYOU" - Linda Ronstadt
#25 "YOU CAN'T TURN ME OFF (IN THE MIDDLE OF TURNING ME ON)" - High Inergy
#24 "DON'T LET ME BE MISUNDERSTOOD" - Santa Esmeralda
#23 "EMOTION" - Samantha Sang
#22 "YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE" - Debby Boone
#21 "DESIREE" - Neil Diamond
#20 "SENTIMENTAL LADY" - Bob Welch
#19 "I GO CRAZY" - Paul Davis
#18 "DANCE, DANCE, DANCE (YOWSAH, YOWSAH, YOWSAH)" - Chic
#17 "SERPENTINE FIRE" - Earth, Wind & Fire
#16 "TURN TO STONE" - Electric Light Orchestra
#15 "SOMETIMES WHEN WE TOUCH" - Dan Hill
#14 "(LOVE IS) THICKER THAN WATER" - Andy Gibb
#13 "RUNAROUND SUE" - Leif Garrett
#12 "BACK IN LOVE AGAIN" - LTD
#11 "JUST THE WAY YOU ARE" - Billy Joel
#10 "STAYIN' ALIVE" - The Bee Gees
#9 "COME SAIL AWAY" - Styx
#8 "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" - Queen
#7 "HEY DEANIE" - Shaun Cassidy
#6 "SLIP SLIDIN' AWAY" - Paul Simon
#5 "SHORT PEOPLE" - Randy Newman
#4 "YOU'RE IN MY HEART (THE FINAL ACCLAIM)" - Rod Stewart
#3 "HERE YOU COME AGAIN" - Dolly Parton
#2 "HOW DEEP IS YOUR LOVE" - The Bee Gees
#1 "BABY COME BACK" - Player

Ridiculously popular with my high school friends, I think it made us feel like adults or something. Took four more albums for me to figure out I was buying out of habit and not all that engaged.

/he's not awful
//except for piano man
///that's a station changer


Isn't #24 the song in the fight in the garden scene of Kill Bill?
 
amb
2017-09-30 03:21:11 PM  

amb: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

#40 "THEME FROM CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" - Meco
#39 "THEME FROM CLOSE ENCOUNTERS" - John Williams
#38 "(YOU'RE MY) SOUL & INSPIRATION" - Donny & Marie Osmond
#37 "HAPPY ANNIVERSARY" - The Little River Band
#36 "AS" - Stevie Wonder
#35 "LOVELY DAY" - Bill Withers
#34 "FFUN" - Con Funk Shun
#33 "TOO HOT TA TROT" - The Commodores
#32 "PEG" - Steely Dan
#31 "DON'T IT MAKE MY BROWN EYES BLUE" - Crystal Gayle
#30 "LONG, LONG WAY FROM HOME" - Foreigner
#29 "NATIVE NEW YORKER" - Odyssey
#28 "POINT OF KNOW RETURN" - Kansas
#27 "WHAT'S YOUR NAME" - Lynyrd Skynyrd
#26 "BLUE BAYOU" - Linda Ronstadt
#25 "YOU CAN'T TURN ME OFF (IN THE MIDDLE OF TURNING ME ON)" - High Inergy
#24 "DON'T LET ME BE MISUNDERSTOOD" - Santa Esmeralda
#23 "EMOTION" - Samantha Sang
#22 "YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE" - Debby Boone
#21 "DESIREE" - Neil Diamond
#20 "SENTIMENTAL LADY" - Bob Welch
#19 "I GO CRAZY" - Paul Davis
#18 "DANCE, DANCE, DANCE (YOWSAH, YOWSAH, YOWSAH)" - Chic
#17 "SERPENTINE FIRE" - Earth, Wind & Fire
#16 "TURN TO STONE" - Electric Light Orchestra
#15 "SOMETIMES WHEN WE TOUCH" - Dan Hill
#14 "(LOVE IS) THICKER THAN WATER" - Andy Gibb
#13 "RUNAROUND SUE" - Leif Garrett
#12 "BACK IN LOVE AGAIN" - LTD
#11 "JUST THE WAY YOU ARE" - Billy Joel
#10 "STAYIN' ALIVE" - The Bee Gees
#9 "COME SAIL AWAY" - Styx
#8 "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" - Queen
#7 "HEY DEANIE" - Shaun Cassidy
#6 "SLIP SLIDIN' AWAY" - Paul Simon
#5 "SHORT PEOPLE" - Randy Newman
#4 "YOU'RE IN MY HEART (THE FINAL ACCLAIM)" - Rod Stewart
#3 "HERE YOU COME AGAIN" - Dolly Parton
#2 "HOW DEEP IS YOUR LOVE" - The Bee Gees
#1 "BABY COME BACK" - Player

Ridiculously popular with my high school friends, I think it made us feel like adults or something. Took four more albums for me to figure out I was buying out of habit and not all that engaged.

/he's not awful
//except for piano man
///that's a station changer

Isn't #24 the song in the fight in the garden scene of Kill Bill?


Answering my own question.
DON'T LET ME BE MISUNDERSTOOD/SANTA ESMERALDA
Youtube 8FMdaDEmcDg
 
2017-09-30 03:22:47 PM  
Ah memories of the music tab. It's like outwardly projected self-loathing given sentience and voice.
 
2017-09-30 03:25:35 PM  
"He was terrible, he is terrible, he always will be terrible. Anodyne, sappy, superficial, derivative, fraudulently rebellious. Joel's famous song "It's Still Rock and Roll to Me"? Please. It never was rock 'n' roll. Billy Joel's music elevates self-aggrandizing self-pity and contempt for others into its own new and awful genre: "Mock-Rock."

Took me a few minutes to find the quote from Ron Rosenbaum, but always felt that it pretty much summed up the the lack of talent and insight in the crappy songs of Billy Joel pretty nicely.
 
2017-09-30 03:32:32 PM  

ElPrimitivo: "He was terrible, he is terrible, he always will be terrible. Anodyne, sappy, superficial, derivative, fraudulently rebellious. Joel's famous song "It's Still Rock and Roll to Me"? Please. It never was rock 'n' roll. Billy Joel's music elevates self-aggrandizing self-pity and contempt for others into its own new and awful genre: "Mock-Rock."

Took me a few minutes to find the quote from Ron Rosenbaum, but always felt that it pretty much summed up the the lack of talent and insight in the crappy songs of Billy Joel pretty nicely.


And just who would be talented and insightful in your world?
 
2017-09-30 03:51:36 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: phaseolus: Just looked at tfa briefly. Those songs, the ones I'm familiar with at least, are really good songs.

And I'm sick to death of them. Have been for decades.

natural316: Piano man is a god awful song

That's the truth. Whatta godawful self-indulgent piece of claptrap with really stupid rhymes.

So... Joel was trying to write a prog rock song?


heh ... not really. That song's not "look what I can do" self-indulgent, it's "boy, was I ever a big fish in a small pond" self-indulgent

ElPrimitivo: "He was terrible, he is terrible, he always will be terrible. Anodyne, sappy, superficial, derivative, fraudulently rebellious. Joel's famous song "It's Still Rock and Roll to Me"? Please. It never was rock 'n' roll. Billy Joel's music elevates self-aggrandizing self-pity and contempt for others into its own new and awful genre: "Mock-Rock."

Took me a few minutes to find the quote from Ron Rosenbaum, but always felt that it pretty much summed up the the lack of talent and insight in the crappy songs of Billy Joel pretty nicely.


I'll give him props for being capable of crafting a nice tune now and then -- I'll argue that And So It Goes for example is a great tune, I've heard arrangements for voices that were breathtaking -- but, yeah, a lot of his stuff was kinda marketing-oriented. That criticism's on point often enough.
 
2017-09-30 03:52:48 PM  

Billy Liar: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

I don't "hate" hate him.  I just think of him as Elevated Mediocrity.


Perfect.

I've listened to and enjoyed a lot of his work, but had he never existed, my life would be no less artistically enriched.
 
2017-09-30 03:52:59 PM  
...and in his moments that are my least favorite, he comes across as copycat low-budget Paul McCartney
 
2017-09-30 04:15:50 PM  
Ack ack ack ack ack
 
2017-09-30 04:20:30 PM  

Joe Satin: Ack ack ack ack ack


img.fark.net
 
2017-09-30 04:20:50 PM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Billy Liar: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

I don't "hate" hate him.  I just think of him as Elevated Mediocrity.

Perfect.

I've listened to and enjoyed a lot of his work, but had he never existed, my life would be no less artistically enriched.


/pretty much this. His pompous Baby-boom ass should also ,update  "We didn't start the fire"
 
2017-09-30 04:22:23 PM  

Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?


It's Fark, where the cool kids hate celebrities at random while bashing others for hating things they like.
 
2017-09-30 04:23:02 PM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Billy Liar: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

I don't "hate" hate him.  I just think of him as Elevated Mediocrity.

Perfect.

I've listened to and enjoyed a lot of his work, but had he never existed, my life would be no less artistically enriched.


The phrase I always clung to was drew no water nor made no wake.

FTA: "Billy Joel originally didn't want "Just the Way You Are" on The Stranger. He felt it was a "gloppy ballad" destined to be played at weddings."

I don't know how to tell him this...as a gigging musician for 20 years the only time this ever gets requested is at weddings.  And the only reason we ever play it is because we have a piano player who knows it.  And the only reason he knows it is because it's a gloppy ballad that gets requested at weddings and playing it generally translates into better tips.
 
2017-09-30 04:23:50 PM  

ZAZ: 40 years later I learn "Vienna" has a meaning after all.


It still means nothing to me.
 
2017-09-30 04:24:37 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: ZAZ: 40 years later I learn "Vienna" has a meaning after all.

it means nothing to me


I knew I should have read the whole thread.
 
2017-09-30 04:41:10 PM  

natural316: Piano man is a god awful song


img.fark.net
 
2017-09-30 04:41:24 PM  

TheFoz: Mole Man: TheFoz: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

It's Fark.

Where every single band in the world sucks except for their favorite local indie NIN-Radiohead-Rush cover band that you've never heard of.  The threads are entertaining at least.  Sometimes.

I don't recall any bad things said about Dolly Parton.

Pffft.  Dolly can't hold a candle to Taylor Swift.

/scurries away


Dolly knows it would cause too much confusion, which one is Taylor and which one is the candle
 
2017-09-30 04:41:49 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78


Any time someone is blathering about how today's music sucks and how it was all amazing when they were teens, I want to send them that chart.  Eeeeesh.
 
2017-09-30 04:45:48 PM  

natural316: Piano man is a god awful song


I wonder if Davy is still in the Navy?
 
2017-09-30 04:58:02 PM  

Dragonflew: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

Any time someone is blathering about how today's music sucks and how it was all amazing when they were teens, I want to send them that chart.  Eeeeesh.


*shrug* To each their own. If I was driving across the country and had only two working radio stations, one playing that list and one playing today's Top 40, there is no question which one I'd be listening to.
 
2017-09-30 04:59:52 PM  

Uzzah: Dragonflew: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

Any time someone is blathering about how today's music sucks and how it was all amazing when they were teens, I want to send them that chart.  Eeeeesh.

*shrug* To each their own. If I was driving across the country and had only two working radio stations, one playing that list and one playing today's Top 40, there is no question which one I'd be listening to.


Tough choice. I'd turn off the radio and listen to the wind.
 
2017-09-30 05:00:09 PM  

Skarekrough: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Billy Liar: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

I don't "hate" hate him.  I just think of him as Elevated Mediocrity.

Perfect.

I've listened to and enjoyed a lot of his work, but had he never existed, my life would be no less artistically enriched.

The phrase I always clung to was drew no water nor made no wake.

FTA: "Billy Joel originally didn't want "Just the Way You Are" on The Stranger. He felt it was a "gloppy ballad" destined to be played at weddings."

I don't know how to tell him this...as a gigging musician for 20 years the only time this ever gets requested is at weddings.  And the only reason we ever play it is because we have a piano player who knows it.  And the only reason he knows it is because it's a gloppy ballad that gets requested at weddings and playing it generally translates into better tips.


Wait a sec.  If I go to a wedding I'm supposed to tip the band too, not just the bartender I select as mine for the night?  Does a tip work for you to not play Hot Hot Hot or Chicken Dance or Celebration or YMCA or Electric slide or...........
 
kab
2017-09-30 05:09:10 PM  
Then he met C. Brinkley, and his songwriting went straight into the toilet, never to be seen again.
 
2017-09-30 05:11:53 PM  

LewDux: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

Probably some comedian or movie character said something about him on stage or on screen
/I bet it was Ellen Page


It appears it was someone who spent his life researching Hitler..
 
2017-09-30 05:56:06 PM  

Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?


They jelly
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img.fark.net
 
2017-09-30 05:59:47 PM  
I like the Stranger, listened to it last night.
 
2017-09-30 06:12:01 PM  

natural316: Piano man is a god awful song


Because it is a waltz, it uses jazz chords, or because it is autobiographical?
 
2017-09-30 06:22:40 PM  

kermit the forg: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

it's more like for every good song he done, he writes two bad ones.  When he's  good he's awesome; when it's bad, it's awful.


There's a link in tfa to an interview with him- apparently he agrees with you. He said if he could he'd throw out half of his songs. He seems pretty self-aware.

/and he doesn't come out and say it, but it sounds a lot like he certainly did not vote for Trump
 
amb
2017-09-30 06:25:20 PM  

offacue: Skarekrough: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Billy Liar: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

I don't "hate" hate him.  I just think of him as Elevated Mediocrity.

Perfect.

I've listened to and enjoyed a lot of his work, but had he never existed, my life would be no less artistically enriched.

The phrase I always clung to was drew no water nor made no wake.

FTA: "Billy Joel originally didn't want "Just the Way You Are" on The Stranger. He felt it was a "gloppy ballad" destined to be played at weddings."

I don't know how to tell him this...as a gigging musician for 20 years the only time this ever gets requested is at weddings.  And the only reason we ever play it is because we have a piano player who knows it.  And the only reason he knows it is because it's a gloppy ballad that gets requested at weddings and playing it generally translates into better tips.

Wait a sec.  If I go to a wedding I'm supposed to tip the band too, not just the bartender I select as mine for the night?  Does a tip work for you to not play Hot Hot Hot or Chicken Dance or Celebration or YMCA or Electric slide or...........


At my wedding we had 1 rule for the dj, no chicken dance or hokey pokey. He must have gotten a dozen requests for chicken dance as it seems to be required atweddings in Wisconsin, but he listened to us.
 
2017-09-30 06:38:52 PM  
Everyone knows him, but he had the oddest types of songs become hits.  No one wrote popular music quite like him.  Still puts on a hell of a show.
As for the Elton John comparisons, I would agree that Elton has the better songs but its not like Elton was writing the lyrics.
 
2017-09-30 06:41:54 PM  

Skarekrough: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Billy Liar: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

FTA: "Billy Joel originally didn't want "Just the Way You Are" on The Stranger. He felt it was a "gloppy ballad" destined to be played at weddings."

I don't know how to tell him this...as a gigging musician for 20 years the only time this ever gets requested is at weddings.  And the only reason we ever play it is because we have a piano player who knows it.  And the only reason he knows it is because it's a gloppy ballad that gets requested at weddings and playing it generally translates into better tips.


I saw him on his tour of The Stranger in 1978 & it was a great concert. And I've loved every one of his concerts since.
'Just The Way You Are' is the only song on The Stranger I never liked. Billy should have trusted his instincts & not listened to Linda Ronstadt but what are you going to do. It was Linda Ronstadt.
 
2017-09-30 06:46:48 PM  
Eh, he is talented, but I hate him. I have all his 70's records because I usually find that when I hate a popular artist I can be wrong more often than not, or come around to his stuff later, but never Billy Joel. Paul Simon solo is the same for me, it makes me think of punching. Lots of punching.
 
2017-09-30 06:47:34 PM  

jj325: I remember hearing Just the Way You Are on the radio for the first time and thinking it was a new Elton John song.  And not a great one.  It's not surprising Billy Joel's career took off during the years Elton was recovering from his 2 albums a year/constant partying 70's heyday.  Not saying Joel sucks, but he was never Elton John. Just a stop gap solution until Elton came back


The 'Dualing Piano Men' concerts Elton & Billy do together are lots of fun.
 
2017-09-30 06:53:09 PM  
Until the Night (52nd street) is one of my favorite songs.  I like a lot of the stuff on Turnstiles (I'm a bit of a sucker for piano driven songs, same reason I like Bruce Hornsby),  Goodnight Saigon , Leningrad on Storm Front, and Everybody has a Dream on The Stranger.
 
2017-09-30 07:13:01 PM  

Dragonflew: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

Any time someone is blathering about how today's music sucks and how it was all amazing when they were teens, I want to send them that chart.  Eeeeesh.


There was a reason that people with good musical taste stopped listening to the radio in the mid to late 70's.

There was still great music, you just couldn't find it on a top 40 station
 
2017-09-30 07:14:12 PM  

harleyquinnical: natural316: Piano man is a god awful song

Because it is a waltz, it uses jazz chords, or because it is autobiographical?


Why not all three?
 
2017-09-30 07:34:04 PM  

happydude45: Dragonflew: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: CASEY KASEM'S AMERICAN TOP 40 - 1/21/78

Any time someone is blathering about how today's music sucks and how it was all amazing when they were teens, I want to send them that chart.  Eeeeesh.

There was a reason that people with good musical taste stopped listening to the radio in the mid to late 70's.

There was still great music, you just couldn't find it on a top 40 station


favorite note checks out
 
2017-09-30 10:32:19 PM  

offacue: Skarekrough: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Billy Liar: Slow To Return: Damn, lotta Billy Joel hate on Fark.  Did he vote Trump or something?

I don't "hate" hate him.  I just think of him as Elevated Mediocrity.

Perfect.

I've listened to and enjoyed a lot of his work, but had he never existed, my life would be no less artistically enriched.

The phrase I always clung to was drew no water nor made no wake.

FTA: "Billy Joel originally didn't want "Just the Way You Are" on The Stranger. He felt it was a "gloppy ballad" destined to be played at weddings."

I don't know how to tell him this...as a gigging musician for 20 years the only time this ever gets requested is at weddings.  And the only reason we ever play it is because we have a piano player who knows it.  And the only reason he knows it is because it's a gloppy ballad that gets requested at weddings and playing it generally translates into better tips.

Wait a sec.  If I go to a wedding I'm supposed to tip the band too, not just the bartender I select as mine for the night?  Does a tip work for you to not play Hot Hot Hot or Chicken Dance or Celebration or YMCA or Electric slide or...........


Alright...so here's the breakdown.

Going into the gig the Set Lists are approved by the bride.  If she specifically requests a song no chance in Hell were NOT playing it.  At the end of the night we judge our performance by how much the bride liked us and then if we got the crowd up dancing.

If you're a guest and tip the band they may try and slide something in for you.  Its gotta be something they already know.  If you don't tip the band and it gets played then odds are it was on the set list to begin with.

Same deal with the Bridesmaids and Groomsmen too, except we pretend a little harder to look like were listening.

If you're the Groom or member of the direct family we'll do what we can to put something together on the fly.  If you're the Bride or Father of the Bride we'll come just short of learning it between sets.  Mother of the Bride or Groom, we'll likely adjourn to our vehicles between sets to learn it.

Happy Moms and Happy Brides mean big tips.

At a recent gig I was handed $200 to play Elvis' "Can't Help Falling In Love" and pulled it off.  It was a song I did as a solo acoustic act (I play bass) and we made the decision to go for it.  It wasn't perfect and I played guitar on it while the guitar player held my bass, but it got done and the requester was grateful.  At the end of the night the bandleader handed it all to me and told me that no one should take a cut for just carrying water while someone does the heavy lifting.
 
2017-10-01 03:09:55 AM  

kab: Then he met C. Brinkley, and his songwriting went straight into the toilet, never to be seen again.


But her appearance in the Uptown Girl video was helpful in my youth.
 
2017-10-01 03:59:01 AM  
While Rolling Stone discussed the lyrics of almost all the songs, on the song "The Stranger" they did not.
 
2017-10-01 05:53:29 AM  

pedrop357: Until the Night (52nd street) is one of my favorite songs.


Because he's really good at tipping a hat to the styles of other artists. That's him doing the Righteous Brothers. "Laura", "Scandinavian Skies" and "Surprises" are John Lennon/late Beatles, the whole Innocent Man album is basically the old WCBS-FM doo-wop rotation, and so forth.
 
2017-10-01 06:31:02 AM  
I have always liked A Matter Of Trust.
 
2017-10-01 08:23:23 AM  
Could be worse.  Could be Phil Collins.
 
2017-10-01 10:30:30 AM  

harleyquinnical: natural316: Piano man is a god awful song

Because it is a waltz, it uses jazz chords, or because it is autobiographical?


For me, it's because it is long and gets old fast, the chorus lazily uses the same chords as the verses, and I hate that wheezing harmonica so much.
 
2017-10-01 11:07:27 AM  
I f*cking hate Billy Joel. Always have. Pure schmaltz. His music is so goddamned corny an hackneyed he makes Neil Diamond sound overly dense and profoundly sublime in comparison.

I've also heard he is a major a-hole celeb type. Multiple anecdotes from peers and fans seem to confirm this.

Screw him.

"Piano Man" is a stupid sh*tty song. Joel is so trite and pretentious. He is trying way too hard to be that singer-songwriter "heartfelt" guy and fails. That song wallows in its own phony fabricated self-importance.
 
2017-10-01 11:46:53 AM  
ITT:

res.cloudinary.com
 
2017-10-01 12:16:59 PM  
Well if a performer has to define my teens and early adult years, better Billy Joel than fu*king disco.
 
2017-10-01 04:00:55 PM  
He referred to himself and his band at that time as "rock and roll animals"

memegenerator.net
 
2017-10-01 10:24:08 PM  

Tom_Slick: After hearing "She's always a woman to me" the first time I was convinced I really didn't want to meet that particular woman.


That's funny.  I was still in high school and I was firmly convinced I already had...  And So it Goes makes me want to take a hot bath with a cold razor, though, beautiful as it is.  In a funerary sort of way.

Imaginativescreenname: I prefer the new wave influenced "Glass Houses" and "Nylon Curtains," along with his earlier groups (the proto-metal Atilla and the fun psych-pop\rock of The Hassles) but "The tranger" does have its' moments, like the weird prog-pop of 'Italian Restaurant.'

Here's Cold Spring Harbor with correct pitch. Even with the sound quality taking a hit, it's  so much better than the chipmunk-on-helium version that was released.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/TC-ssZMq96k]


Some friends of mine who were much bigger music aficcionados in our youth always told me he was a boxer (confirmed) and got his sinuses pounded hard enough at some point that his voice actually changed pitch early on, helping his career and creating that vast tonal difference between some of his early work and his first popular songs.  Never was able to confirm it though.  The only public information about boxing injuries for him isn't to his head.
 
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