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(YouTube)   Twenty years ago today, one of the greatest Star Wars games came out and had us experience being a lightsaber-wielding Jedi Knight in Dark Forces II. (Link goes to an interesting video about the hero, Kyle Katarn)   ( youtube.com) divider line
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2017-09-30 02:38:51 PM  
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast which came out 4.5 years later was the best one.
 
2017-09-30 05:06:16 PM  
X-wing alliance. You could fly an X-WING or the millennium falcon. Awesome graphics for the time as well.

Barring that X-WING vs TIE fighter as the best multiplayer of the generation.
 
2017-09-30 05:20:30 PM  
Pretty sure it has been deemed that the best Star Wars games have been KotOR (and not the lame excuse MMORPG).
 
2017-09-30 05:22:04 PM  

wonkable: X-wing alliance. You could fly an X-WING or the millennium falcon. Awesome graphics for the time as well.

Barring that X-WING vs TIE fighter as the best multiplayer of the generation.


TIE Fighter had better gameplay, though XW:A was a better overall game.

Also had a soft spot for Rebellion.  The UI was awful and the tactical space combat was less than half-assed, but dammit it was all we had.

Also, Kyle Katarn turned into one of the most egregious Mary Sues in the EU.
 
2017-09-30 05:22:24 PM  

wonkable: X-wing alliance. You could fly an X-WING or the millennium falcon. Awesome graphics for the time as well.

Barring that X-WING vs TIE fighter as the best multiplayer of the generation.


Um, you misspelled "Tie Fighter"; greatest game in the history of ever.

/ a close second was the 1990 Red Baron.
 
2017-09-30 05:27:26 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Pretty sure it has been deemed that the best Star Wars games have been KotOR (and not the lame excuse MMORPG).


I didn't like them at all. Don't know what people saw in those games. =/
 
2017-09-30 05:27:49 PM  

Munden: Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast which came out 4.5 years later was the best one.


When you got the lightsaber, Jedi Knight 2 got good. It was an eh shooter until that moment in the bar, trulies. Video below has the action sequence sped up to Benny Hill standards, so it robs it of The Matrix feel it had when you first played it.

Jedi Outcast - Bartender...
Youtube Lk8jI54qAko


Also, DF2 Jedi Knight had more memorable villains, like the imp and giant dark jedi tag team and the floating rage guy, capped with a blind swordmaster trope for the finale. Sith Lizard guy who steals yo girl and his lady hench wasn't that impressive.

/will give you the fact Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight's lightsaber was just a boss/out of ammo weapon, as deflecting shots was pretty rare. Then again, Kyle Katarn just picked up the thing and didn't have two Jedi Masters to give him quick training like Luke.
 
2017-09-30 05:32:50 PM  

MechaPyx: the money is in the banana stand: Pretty sure it has been deemed that the best Star Wars games have been KotOR (and not the lame excuse MMORPG).

I didn't like them at all. Don't know what people saw in those games. =/


It's D&D, but Star Wars and no writing down all the things. Plus, lightsabers. My character duel wields 2 d40+ lightsabers for dog's sakes.

/ plus, the adventure is open ended. There's a definite story; but, you could spend 30 hours murdering wildlife if you wanted to
 
2017-09-30 05:38:05 PM  
And if you purchased it on Steam, it's almost impossible to get any of the games in the series working...

/ah, the hours spent building levels and playing on multiplayer in the MSN Gaming Zone
 
2017-09-30 05:43:53 PM  

CyberKultist: And if you purchased it on Steam, it's almost impossible to get any of the games in the series working...

/ah, the hours spent building levels and playing on multiplayer in the MSN Gaming Zone


Me too. That was my college right there. For a brief 6 months, the University unblocked the internet gaming zone. I had an entire t1 (imagine the speed, I could download at like 80 meg a minute) for game playing.
 
2017-09-30 05:46:26 PM  
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Pre-CU Star Wars Galaxies was released just over 14 years ago Subby......and yes, that is the greatest Star Wars game of all time.
 
2017-09-30 05:49:58 PM  

Beerguy: [img.fark.net image 850x637]

Pre-CU Star Wars Galaxies was released just over 14 years ago Subby......and yes, that is the greatest Star Wars game of all time.


LOL nowhere even close. SWG was the biggest let down ever. I know it improved, but man, it was terrible. I did however like having a Rancor early on and spamming knockdown with my fists.
 
2017-09-30 05:51:04 PM  
Ranking the Star Wars games I've played ... subby btw; one of the greatest does not mean the greatest.

- TIE Fighter (and all add-ons)
- KotOR
- Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight
- Jedi Knight 2
- Jedi Academy (interchangeable with the above, actually)
- Xwing Alliance (sequel after TIE Fighter)
- Xwing vs. TIE-Fighter
- KotOR 2 (Penalty for being unfinished, buggy and goddamn waste of my time trying to make Jedi/Sith sidekicks)
- Dark Forces
- Empire At War
- The original Star Wars arcade game
- Return of the Jedi arcade game
- The SNES side-scroll action games of the first trilogy
- Jedi Starfighter for the PS1
- That Star Wars arcade game at Dave & Busters that costs $2 or so to play with the lightsaber duels. Only remember it drukenly or trying to play it with then girlfriend at the time
- The Atari 2600 Empire Strikes Back game where you piloted a Snowspeeder. Sucks now, but at its time, all we had, yada yada ...
- The pod racer game
- The Age of Empires meets Star Wars prequels mod sold for full price by LucasArts.
- Rest are forgotten from this point, or I haven't played enough (Battlegrounds didn't impress me, and I like Battlefield games)
-Force Commander was farking awful to be at the bottom of my list
 
2017-09-30 05:58:46 PM  
TIE Fighter was awesome, I played the hell out of that back in the day.  X-Wing was pretty good, but TIE Fighter improved on it so much.

The Dark Forces series was pretty dang good, I played the heck out of Jedi Academy.

I still play Star Wars: The Old Republic some, but not as much as I used to.
 
2017-09-30 06:02:05 PM  

iheartscotch: wonkable: X-wing alliance. You could fly an X-WING or the millennium falcon. Awesome graphics for the time as well.

Barring that X-WING vs TIE fighter as the best multiplayer of the generation.

Um, you misspelled "Tie Fighter"; greatest game in the history of ever.

/ a close second was the 1990 Red Baron.


Is it over-the-top nerd of me to say that my favorite part of TIE Fighter was that they made Thrawn official canon?

/loved me some Red Baron too.
 
2017-09-30 06:02:41 PM  
I was just thinking that there hasn't been a big SW game in a long, long time.  Except for the Battlefront run-and-gun stuff.  I would have liked Star Wars: 1313, I think.  It looked beautiful.
 
2017-09-30 06:13:38 PM  
The original Star Wars game and still the best:

sites.create-cdn.net
 
2017-09-30 06:16:18 PM  

Beerguy: [img.fark.net image 850x637]

Pre-CU Star Wars Galaxies was released just over 14 years ago Subby......and yes, that is the greatest Star Wars game of all time.


The only palatable mmo I ever played.
 
2017-09-30 06:27:12 PM  
I liked Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader for the gamecube.
 
2017-09-30 06:33:26 PM  

Practical_Draconian: /will give you the fact Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight's lightsaber was just a boss/out of ammo weapon, as deflecting shots was pretty rare. Then again, Kyle Katarn just picked up the thing and didn't have two Jedi Masters to give him quick training like Luke.


Rare? Maybe for you, but I deflected shots all of the time in that game. With a bit of patience you can take out turrets that way without firing a shot.

The stormtrooper rifle was the best weapon, though. Fast, deadly and ironically accurate even from a distance.
 
2017-09-30 07:01:00 PM  
Jedi Power Battles remains the worst.
 
2017-09-30 07:38:48 PM  
Jedi Outcast with "realistic combat" enabled was awesome
 
2017-09-30 07:39:32 PM  
Kyle Katarn was part of the Expanded Universe, so falls into that "Legends" catagory same as Thrawn did. Would live to see him return in the shows or film, though Rogue One did pretty well retcon the entire Dark Forces original plot.
 
2017-09-30 07:56:36 PM  
Rogue Squadron 1 and 2 were great
 
2017-09-30 08:16:49 PM  
Fark I feel old now. And DF is good and all,  but THIS was my first Star Wars game:
www.arcade-museum.com
 
2017-09-30 08:26:01 PM  

MythDragon: Fark I feel old now. And DF is good and all,  but THIS was my first Star Wars game:
[www.arcade-museum.com image 640x480]


That was a good one. Though the hardware for it was kind of bulky.

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-30 09:08:54 PM  
What I want is for TIE Fighter to be remade to run on modern systems with graphics to match.

Also make it VR compatible like Elite.
 
2017-09-30 09:53:20 PM  

MythDragon: Fark I feel old now. And DF is good and all,  but THIS was my first Star Wars game:
[www.arcade-museum.com image 640x480]


In an actual arcade cabinet,that got so god damned hot you could smell the sweat of the person in before you.

The thing I love about DF2 was the demo. Being 1997 and most people having dialup that was likely on a timer, trying to get a 20MB download in time before your session expired was brutal. Then came Zip Drives and my school's T1 connection which solved that problem for me overnight.
 
2017-09-30 10:24:01 PM  
That was 20 years ago? God that makes me feel old. I think I still have the CDs somewhere in my house.
 
2017-09-30 10:25:28 PM  
I mean, it's no Masters of Teras Kasai.
 
2017-09-30 10:31:48 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Ranking the Star Wars games I've played ... subby btw; one of the greatest does not mean the greatest.

- TIE Fighter (and all add-ons)
- KotOR
- Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight
- Jedi Knight 2
- Jedi Academy (interchangeable with the above, actually)
- Xwing Alliance (sequel after TIE Fighter)
- Xwing vs. TIE-Fighter
- KotOR 2 (Penalty for being unfinished, buggy and goddamn waste of my time trying to make Jedi/Sith sidekicks)
- Dark Forces
- Empire At War
- The original Star Wars arcade game
- Return of the Jedi arcade game
- The SNES side-scroll action games of the first trilogy
- Jedi Starfighter for the PS1
- That Star Wars arcade game at Dave & Busters that costs $2 or so to play with the lightsaber duels. Only remember it drukenly or trying to play it with then girlfriend at the time
- The Atari 2600 Empire Strikes Back game where you piloted a Snowspeeder. Sucks now, but at its time, all we had, yada yada ...
- The pod racer game
- The Age of Empires meets Star Wars prequels mod sold for full price by LucasArts.
- Rest are forgotten from this point, or I haven't played enough (Battlegrounds didn't impress me, and I like Battlefield games)
-Force Commander was farking awful to be at the bottom of my list


Where the hell is X-Wing on your list?
 
2017-09-30 10:53:56 PM  
Just to ask, does the Steam Tie Fighter games work w/ steam controller? Been playing retro titles on an old laptop since my tower died. Xwing alliance and the Jedi Knight games sound tempting.

And maybe I will give the original Xwing another shot.
 
2017-09-30 11:05:58 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Just to ask, does the Steam Tie Fighter games work w/ steam controller? Been playing retro titles on an old laptop since my tower died. Xwing alliance and the Jedi Knight games sound tempting.

And maybe I will give the original Xwing another shot.


Not sure about the Steam version, but the GOG release is controller-compatible, so I'd assume so.  It's no patch on an actual flightstick, but given how few flight sims there are these days, those aren't really worth the money.  I cobbled together more-or-less the same controller-and-minimal-keyboard control scheme I use for Elite.  The trick is to have the mid-combat controls like guns and throttle easy to hand on the controller, and leaving less-urgent controls like jumping to lightspeed on the keyboard to be selected at your leisure.
 
2017-09-30 11:30:07 PM  

MythDragon: Fark I feel old now. And DF is good and all,  but THIS was my first Star Wars game:
[www.arcade-museum.com image 640x480]


I am probably comparatively young, but I still blew a few fistfuls of quarters on that when I was way young.
I remember they had that at the discount cinema back then, and we always would get a few rounds in before or after whatever movie we were seeing.  It was still an older game when I was young, but it had some great gameplay with timeless vector graphics.
 
2017-09-30 11:52:24 PM  
Looking forward to Battlefront II.  Although with Disney's flare for Mary Sue's as of late, it's nice we get one on the Imperial side.
 
2017-09-30 11:54:19 PM  
George Michael Star Wars
Youtube 2-EouZi1mvQ
 
2017-10-01 02:00:13 AM  

MythDragon: Fark I feel old now. And DF is good and all,  but THIS was my first Star Wars game:
[www.arcade-museum.com image 640x480]


That one was great. I don't remember that being the very first Star Wars game. I vaguely remember an Empire Strikes Back game on the Atari 2600 that was like Attack of the Mutant Camels except it had you shooting at AT-AT walkers instead of giant camels. There might have been one or two others. I think there was a top down game involving swinging lightsabres at a floating ball but I'm not sure.

That arcade game was definitely the first great one. Atari put out some fantastic vector arcade games at that time IMO Red Baron was the very best of the them but Star Wars was the best after that one and Tempest.

Good times. One of these days I really need to treat myself to a nice MAME setup.
 
2017-10-01 02:05:17 AM  

Last Man on Earth: Practical_Draconian: Just to ask, does the Steam Tie Fighter games work w/ steam controller? Been playing retro titles on an old laptop since my tower died. Xwing alliance and the Jedi Knight games sound tempting.

And maybe I will give the original Xwing another shot.

Not sure about the Steam version, but the GOG release is controller-compatible, so I'd assume so.  It's no patch on an actual flightstick, but given how few flight sims there are these days, those aren't really worth the money.  I cobbled together more-or-less the same controller-and-minimal-keyboard control scheme I use for Elite.  The trick is to have the mid-combat controls like guns and throttle easy to hand on the controller, and leaving less-urgent controls like jumping to lightspeed on the keyboard to be selected at your leisure.


Get it on GOG.

As I mentioned, the steam versions don't work due to some sort of update that they added. I've tried compatibility mode flags on the .exe and everything else I can think of, looking online only pulls up info that was last updated in 2013 that is no longer a fix.

As it stands, playing it with a steam install, JK will play the opening cutscene, let you kill the first couple on enemies and then crash.

Outcast and Academy seem to work though.

/not sure on controller comparability for XWing though
 
2017-10-01 02:06:37 AM  
Subby, that's bullcrap.

Sgt. Pepper came out in 1967.
 
2017-10-01 03:24:55 AM  

6nome: MythDragon: Fark I feel old now. And DF is good and all,  but THIS was my first Star Wars game:
[www.arcade-museum.com image 640x480]

That was a good one. Though the hardware for it was kind of bulky.

[img.fark.net image 370x300]


im fairly certian that is an automat
 
2017-10-01 07:47:18 AM  

GoldSpider: Is it over-the-top nerd of me to say that my favorite part of TIE Fighter was that they made Thrawn official canon?


Uh, Thrawn was canon from the time he first appeared in Heir to the Empire.

Before the 2014 reboot, official Lucasfilm policy on canon was that all* novels, comics ect. were part of the canon.

TIE Fighter didn't make Thrawn canonical, Heir to the Empire did. . .TIE Fighter including him was because he was canonical.

*Except for a handful of comic books published under the "Infinities" (i.e. "What if" stories) and "Tales" (i.e. amusing stories but too silly or strange to fit into the canon), and some of the earlier novels from the 1970's and 1980's that were made before they were particularly strict about continuity were "S-Canon" meaning they were officially part of the canon, but if anything contradicted anything later, the later work takes precedence.
 
2017-10-01 08:50:08 AM  

Last Man on Earth: Practical_Draconian: Just to ask, does the Steam Tie Fighter games work w/ steam controller? Been playing retro titles on an old laptop since my tower died. Xwing alliance and the Jedi Knight games sound tempting.

And maybe I will give the original Xwing another shot.

Not sure about the Steam version, but the GOG release is controller-compatible, so I'd assume so.  It's no patch on an actual flightstick, but given how few flight sims there are these days, those aren't really worth the money.  I cobbled together more-or-less the same controller-and-minimal-keyboard control scheme I use for Elite.  The trick is to have the mid-combat controls like guns and throttle easy to hand on the controller, and leaving less-urgent controls like jumping to lightspeed on the keyboard to be selected at your leisure.


Just do what I did, and keep an eye open at local thrift stores, indie game stores and so on. Eventually you'll find a usb sidewinder for three bux.

God I miss my Gravis Phoenix and Saitek X36 hotas. Those were heady days.
 
2017-10-01 08:54:27 AM  

studebaker hoch: The original Star Wars game and still the best:

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If we're throwing in tabletop stuff, then there's no question what the best was:

vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2017-10-01 12:20:43 PM  

GoldSpider: iheartscotch: wonkable: X-wing alliance. You could fly an X-WING or the millennium falcon. Awesome graphics for the time as well.

Barring that X-WING vs TIE fighter as the best multiplayer of the generation.

Um, you misspelled "Tie Fighter"; greatest game in the history of ever.

/ a close second was the 1990 Red Baron.

Is it over-the-top nerd of me to say that my favorite part of TIE Fighter was that they made Thrawn official canon?


Really? I read the books but I can't remember if that was before or after playing TIE Fighter, must have been after because I'd probably remember seeing Thrawn in a game.

I need to get another joystick one of these years.
 
2017-10-01 01:36:28 PM  
no list of starwars games is complete without shadows of the empire on the N64.
 
2017-10-01 05:14:41 PM  

Beerguy: [img.fark.net image 850x637]

Pre-CU Star Wars Galaxies was released just over 14 years ago Subby......and yes, that is the greatest Star Wars game of all time.


Indeed.

Wookies, the most painful grind to make them into the most overpowered Jedi ever.
 
2017-10-01 10:26:09 PM  

Silverstaff: TIE Fighter was awesome, I played the hell out of that back in the day.  X-Wing was pretty good, but TIE Fighter improved on it so much.

The Dark Forces series was pretty dang good, I played the heck out of Jedi Academy.

I still play Star Wars: The Old Republic some, but not as much as I used to.


Once I got through ALL 8 of the class-specific quests/story-lines , I got bored....

/ I played for the stories; the MMO aspect of the game was of no interest to me...
 
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