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(New York Magazine)   You better sit down for this: The Trump administration just confirmed that they are actively trying to undermine Obamacare. Yeah, that wasn't shocking to me either   ( nymag.com) divider line
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2017-09-29 10:45:43 AM  
Great.  I now have to pay out of pocket for my fainting couch.
 
2017-09-29 10:51:00 AM  

harleyquinnical: Great.  I now have to pay out of pocket for my fainting couch.


Don't worry.  I'm sure that there will be other alternatives, like community and faith-based fainting couches to take up the slack.
 
2017-09-29 10:52:01 AM  
Uummm, is that not illegal?
WHY THE FARK NOT?
 
2017-09-29 10:55:49 AM  

snocone: Uummm, is that not illegal?
WHY THE FARK NOT?


"faithfully execute" in the presidential oath is more......aspirational....

Plus it says "to the best of my ability" which is rather limited for a guy with such tiny hands, ADHD and a literacy problem.
 
2017-09-29 11:14:41 AM  
I don't know how Obama sleeps at night - knowing how his mere existence haunts 2-scoops' soul (if he has one).
 
2017-09-29 11:18:24 AM  
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

"...unless the previous guy put it into place. Then, I'll screw the office, the Constitution, and the people by, to the best of my ability, defunding, undermining, and ultimately rendering useless anything that my political party doesn't like."

I must've missed the addendum to Trump's oath of office.
 
2017-09-29 11:19:43 AM  
i guess it was imploding so dangerously they had to carry out a controlled implosion, because putting safety first was the responsible thing to do
 
2017-09-29 11:21:11 AM  
Most GOP governors have been actively undermining the ACA for years now.
 
2017-09-29 11:27:38 AM  

FormlessOne: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

"...unless the previous guy put it into place. Then, I'll screw the office, the Constitution, and the people by, to the best of my ability, defunding, undermining, and ultimately rendering useless anything that my political party doesn't like."

I must've missed the addendum to Trump's oath of office.


I heard it. Many of us did. Period.

/It was some weird shiat.
 
2017-09-29 11:36:09 AM  
The American people know a bad deal when they see one and many won't be convinced to sign up for 'Washington-knows-best' health coverage that they can't afford.

Someone needs to inform HHS that the campaign is over and they have to govern according to the law.
 
2017-09-29 11:45:56 AM  

snocone: Uummm, is that not illegal?
WHY THE FARK NOT?


I recall a Fark thread about how they are already being sued by the insurance companies.
 
2017-09-29 11:52:02 AM  

mrshowrules: snocone: Uummm, is that not illegal?
WHY THE FARK NOT?

I recall a Fark thread about how they are already being sued by the insurance companies.


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2017-09-29 11:59:11 AM  

oldfarthenry: I don't know how Obama sleeps at night - knowing how his mere existence haunts 2-scoops' soul (if he has one).


I want to know how how he sleeps at night knowing that one person is willing to f*ck over an entire county (and possibly several others) just because said other person hates him with the blistering intensity of a thousand suns.

I mean, seriously, that shiat would keep me up at night.
 
2017-09-29 12:15:19 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 12:19:43 PM  
Well, my days of being shocked are rapidly coming to a middle.
 
2017-09-29 12:22:26 PM  
So Americans who have paid for coverage under the ACA are not getting their coverage because Trump wants to kill them in order to score some political points.

Good job, Trumplers. Here's hoping flesh eating bacteria likes GOP flesh with a side of rich people.
 
2017-09-29 12:23:38 PM  
Yeah, they're using the Obamacare advertising budget to run ads against it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-used-obamacare-money-to-run-a​d​s-against-it
 
2017-09-29 12:24:24 PM  
media.giphy.com
 
2017-09-29 12:24:44 PM  
I don't believe in that fancy-schmancy book-learnin' scientifical stuff. I heard there was somethin' called a Burn Ooley Principle or some such that says something about how the faster air blows, the weaker it pushes on things, and that that's how airplanes can fly.

Well, I don't believe it! Not for a gosh-darn minute! And I'll prove it doesn't work, and that big ol' heavy airplanes can't fly! But how?

Oooh, I got it! I'll train to become an airline pilot, then dive a crowded jetliner full o' people into the ground! That'll prove to the world that that silly Burn Ooley Principle fails!
 
2017-09-29 12:25:00 PM  

PainInTheASP: harleyquinnical: Great.  I now have to pay out of pocket for my fainting couch.

Don't worry.  I'm sure that there will be other alternatives, like community and faith-based fainting couches to take up the slack.


So a pile of full trash bags "donated" by a local restaurant (community supplied!) or the floor (Just have faith a couch will catch you, they get delivered in the same truck as 'thoughts and prayers').
 
2017-09-29 12:25:01 PM  
@charles_gaba has been doing excellent work estimating the impact of the Trump Admin's efforts at sabotaging the ACA individual markets. These are his estimates from 2 days ago across 14 states.

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 12:26:09 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: [img.fark.net image 587x601]


Now, now..what do you want HHS to prioritize, funding health programs that benefit American citizens, or ensuring that Secretary Price flies in the level of luxury that a great man like him so clearly deserves?

I think we all know which will Make America Great Again.
 
2017-09-29 12:27:49 PM  
Gonna need new cushions for the old fainting couch soon...
Emperor HiroCheeto is just accelerating what the republicans have been trying to do since 2010.
/meh.
 
2017-09-29 12:29:20 PM  

COMALite J: I don't believe in that fancy-schmancy book-learnin' scientifical stuff. I heard there was somethin' called a Burn Ooley Principle or some such that says something about how the faster air blows, the weaker it pushes on things, and that that's how airplanes can fly.

Well, I don't believe it! Not for a gosh-darn minute! And I'll prove it doesn't work, and that big ol' heavy airplanes can't fly! But how?

Oooh, I got it! I'll train to become an airline pilot, then dive a crowded jetliner full o' people into the ground! That'll prove to the world that that silly Burn Ooley Principle fails!


I heart September 11th jokes.
 
2017-09-29 12:30:28 PM  
Gee, and here I always believed that Trump wanted America to be great again.  Boy, am I going to have to reevaluate all my understanding of reality - said no Trump supporter ever.
 
2017-09-29 12:33:21 PM  

Catlenfell: Yeah, they're using the Obamacare advertising budget to run ads against it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-used-obamacare-money-to-run-ad​s-against-it


I think what bothers me the most about this is that we know a proven group that has done this sort of misinformation work in the past.

They're good at it.  When it comes to that sort of viral-aimed media you're not going to find someone with a better track record that'll give better results for our tax dollars.

And, I mean, we know someone in the White House has a way to get in touch with Putin to make it happen.  It just seems like the fiscally responsible thing for us to be doing.

Lookit, I don't like offshoring American jobs any more than anyone else.  But it's evident that no one in the White House really cares about that and I'd at least take comfort in knowing the job is being done right.
 
2017-09-29 12:38:19 PM  
Well, that's farking infuriating.
 
2017-09-29 12:38:26 PM  

FormlessOne: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

"...unless the previous guy put it into place. Then, I'll screw the office, the Constitution, and the people by, to the best of my ability, defunding, undermining, and ultimately rendering useless anything that my political party doesn't like."

I must've missed the addendum to Trump's oath of office.


He had his fingers crossed when he recited the Oath.
 
2017-09-29 12:41:41 PM  

STDMan69: COMALite J: I don't believe in that fancy-schmancy book-learnin' scientifical stuff. I heard there was somethin' called a Burn Ooley Principle or some such that says something about how the faster air blows, the weaker it pushes on things, and that that's how airplanes can fly.

Well, I don't believe it! Not for a gosh-darn minute! And I'll prove it doesn't work, and that big ol' heavy airplanes can't fly! But how?

Oooh, I got it! I'll train to become an airline pilot, then dive a crowded jetliner full o' people into the ground! That'll prove to the world that that silly Burn Ooley Principle fails!

I heart September 11th jokes.

Wasn't meant to be a 9/11 joke. I was more thinking of the crazy pilot who deliberately crashed an airliner full of passengers into a mountain. Was that last year?
 
2017-09-29 12:44:14 PM  
Some Health Insurers Bail On States Citing Trump-Fueled Uncertainty

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who met with President Donald Trump on Thursday to discuss health care, told TPM when he returned that the White House signaled its displeasure with continuing CSRs.

"The president really has a hard time writing checks to a failing program, doing something he thinks is outside the law," he said. "I came away thinking that the president is not going to continue this practice forever. He's not going to keep throwing good money after bad. He was in the mindset, to me, that these payments are a problem, but he wants to see what the market will bear."

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office calculated in August that cutting off CSRs would trigger premium increases of up to 25 percent over two years.
 
2017-09-29 12:44:46 PM  
So much for the centre square in Bingo.
 
2017-09-29 12:45:16 PM  

Gary-L: FormlessOne: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

"...unless the previous guy put it into place. Then, I'll screw the office, the Constitution, and the people by, to the best of my ability, defunding, undermining, and ultimately rendering useless anything that my political party doesn't like."

I must've missed the addendum to Trump's oath of office.

He had his fingers crossed when he recited the Oath.


Farkin' fingers are too short to cross.
 
2017-09-29 12:45:39 PM  

wejash: snocone: Uummm, is that not illegal?
WHY THE FARK NOT?

"faithfully execute" in the presidential oath is more......aspirational....

Plus it says "to the best of my ability" which is rather limited for a guy with such tiny hands, ADHD and a literacy problem.


Does this mean he can be impeached for violating the oath of office, or does that not actually count as perjury?
 
2017-09-29 12:48:46 PM  

harleyquinnical: wejash: snocone: Uummm, is that not illegal?
WHY THE FARK NOT?

"faithfully execute" in the presidential oath is more......aspirational....

Plus it says "to the best of my ability" which is rather limited for a guy with such tiny hands, ADHD and a literacy problem.

Does this mean he can be impeached for violating the oath of office, or does that not actually count as perjury?


No, it is a Bible Safety.
 
2017-09-29 12:49:04 PM  
Like a touchback, or is it a safety?
 
2017-09-29 12:49:19 PM  
Undermine implies that there is some sort of stealth involved.
 
2017-09-29 12:49:23 PM  

harleyquinnical: wejash: snocone: Uummm, is that not illegal?
WHY THE FARK NOT?

"faithfully execute" in the presidential oath is more......aspirational....

Plus it says "to the best of my ability" which is rather limited for a guy with such tiny hands, ADHD and a literacy problem.

Does this mean he can be impeached for violating the oath of office, or does that not actually count as perjury?


For the thousandth time, he can be impeached for anything.
 
2017-09-29 12:49:36 PM  
Donald Trump Is Destroying Obamacare From Within

Death by a Thousand Cuts

The Trump administration said it cut the navigator programs because recipients had not met previous enrollment goals (PDF). But navigators say this deliberately ignores the work they do, from educating people about their health care options to convincing those they do enroll to persuade others to do the same. For them, the dialing-back of the program reeks of a White House trying to gut a law they couldn't legislatively undo.

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 12:50:08 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: oldfarthenry: I don't know how Obama sleeps at night - knowing how his mere existence haunts 2-scoops' soul (if he has one).

I want to know how how he sleeps at night knowing that one person is willing to f*ck over an entire county (and possibly several others) just because said other person hates him with the blistering intensity of a thousand suns.

I mean, seriously, that shiat would keep me up at night.


He probably stopped worrying about it when he quietly gave all the various Law Enforcement Agencies the powers needed to pool information and to start sorting out the election mess and any and all possible Collusion days/hours before leaving office.

Also, a significant portion of the electorate basically voted specifically to spite him, while another chunk of the electorate thought they could skate on a "sure thing" and didn't put in the legwork to vote in support of his legacy. Hell if I were him I'd walk away and never give the entire farking country a second thought; the fact that he continues to care at all a testament to the fact that he's such a goddamned grown-up and decent human being.
 
2017-09-29 12:53:34 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Donald Trump Is Destroying Obamacare From Within

Death by a Thousand Cuts

The Trump administration said it cut the navigator programs because recipients had not met previous enrollment goals (PDF). But navigators say this deliberately ignores the work they do, from educating people about their health care options to convincing those they do enroll to persuade others to do the same. For them, the dialing-back of the program reeks of a White House trying to gut a law they couldn't legislatively undo.

[img.fark.net image 850x650]


"Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontention (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition."
 
2017-09-29 12:59:18 PM  
People are going to die, people are going to go bankrupt and we will blame it on Obama. Males me smile.

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 12:59:49 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Gee, and here I always believed that Trump wanted America to be great again.  Boy, am I going to have to reevaluate all my understanding of reality - said no Trump supporter ever.


I've lost all hope for them. After Charlottesville, I met up with a Trump supporting friend, and he told me, I'm tired of this ish by Trump. After the Nazis were up there protesting and killing folks, he should have been unequivocal in his denunciation of those assholes and their ilk. There's good and evil and the Nazis are evil. 

Then he followed it up with this:

That's what we hated about Obama, he refused to condemn evil, and now Trump is acting just like him. 

Me: But Obama did condemn evil, often, particularly after mass shootings, terrorist attacks, etc. 

Friend: No, he never uttered the phrase Radical Islamic Terrorism, he coddled those terrorists in Iraq and Syria and look at the mess he left. 

Me: Where do I begin in explaining why what you said is wrong. 

Friend: Typical liberal. Admit it, Obama was weak and ineffective and he was the worst President in history. 

Me: Do you think Obama would have condemned the Nazis in Charlottesville after they killed a protester? 

Friend: Of course, he was all about stoking racial divisions in the country. 

Me: Facepalm.
 
2017-09-29 01:00:38 PM  

snocone: Soup4Bonnie: Donald Trump Is Destroying Obamacare From Within

Death by a Thousand Cuts

The Trump administration said it cut the navigator programs because recipients had not met previous enrollment goals (PDF). But navigators say this deliberately ignores the work they do, from educating people about their health care options to convincing those they do enroll to persuade others to do the same. For them, the dialing-back of the program reeks of a White House trying to gut a law they couldn't legislatively undo.

[img.fark.net image 850x650]

"Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontention (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition."


I wouldn't go throwing around Sedition lightly but I thought there was actually some form of pre-existing rulings that an Administration can't starve a program it doesn't like. Didn't Reagan's admin get slapped for this?
 
2017-09-29 01:07:16 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: [img.fark.net image 587x601]


Looks a lot like they're particularly targeting red states to make sure Obamacare fails there to shore up their opposition to it.
 
2017-09-29 01:08:03 PM  

Shadow writer: rosebud_the_sled: Gee, and here I always believed that Trump wanted America to be great again.  Boy, am I going to have to reevaluate all my understanding of reality - said no Trump supporter ever.

I've lost all hope for them. After Charlottesville, I met up with a Trump supporting friend. . .


You're a better person than me.
 
2017-09-29 01:08:24 PM  
Shocked? No. Angry? Yes. I hope that this entire Administration develops some sort of rare, incurable disease that drains them financially.
 
2017-09-29 01:56:46 PM  
i.pinimg.com

This is my favorite exchange
 
2017-09-29 01:57:00 PM  

thehobbes: [i.pinimg.com image 564x318]

This is my favorite exchange


wrong thread
 
2017-09-29 02:12:25 PM  

Unobtanium: FormlessOne: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

"...unless the previous guy put it into place. Then, I'll screw the office, the Constitution, and the people by, to the best of my ability, defunding, undermining, and ultimately rendering useless anything that my political party doesn't like."

I must've missed the addendum to Trump's oath of office.

I heard it. Many of us did. Period.

/It was some weird shiat.


I heard it, too.

"That's what gave rise to the Dream Act. It says that if your parents brought you here as a child, you've been here for five years and you're willing to go to college or serve in our military, you can one day earn your citizenship. And I've said time and time and time again to Congress that - send me the Dream Act, put it on my desk, and I will sign it right away.

"Now, both parties wrote this legislation, and year and a half ago, Democrats passed the Dream Act in the House, but Republicans walked away from it. It got 55 votes in the Senate, but Republicans blocked it. The bill hasn't really changed; the need hasn't changed. It's still the right thing to do. The only thing that has changed, apparently, was the politics."

/I'll see myself out.
 
2017-09-29 02:18:10 PM  

FormlessOne: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

"...unless the previous guy put it into place. Then, I'll screw the office, the Constitution, and the people by, to the best of my ability, defunding, undermining, and ultimately rendering useless anything that my political party doesn't like."

I must've missed the addendum to Trump's oath of office.


Maybe the law was written so sloppily and gave a lot of deference to the President at the time to implement it as he saw fit... while fully believing that Hillary would follow him... and never envisioned someone like Trump.

Well... sucks to be them... they brought this girl to the dance and they have to stick with her...

So STFU and deal.
 
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