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(Mother Jones)   The Embassy of Azerbaijan touts the meeting between their President and Donald Trump, which puts Trump in a bind as Aliyev's daughter is the ex-wife of Russian pop-singer Emin Agalarov who is enmeshed in the Russian influence scandal   ( motherjones.com) divider line
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2017-09-29 12:02:55 PM  
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2017-09-29 12:07:53 PM  
and Emin Agalarov once had a bit part in A Stir of Echoes starring Kevin Bacon so there's your connection.
 
2017-09-29 12:33:50 PM  

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First thing I thought, too.  Bravo.
 
2017-09-29 01:25:40 PM  
 
2017-09-29 02:16:15 PM  

Erma Gerdd: Confused? You won't be after this episode of Soap.

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Goddamnit, I got here waaay too late.
 
2017-09-29 04:15:56 PM  

Erma Gerdd: Confused? You won't be after this episode of Soap.

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Tune in tomorrow for the next episode of..."As The Stomach Churns"
 
2017-09-29 06:10:42 PM  
Weird how 45 gets along so well with corrupt kleptocrats. Did I say weird? I meant the opposite of that.
 
2017-09-29 06:16:20 PM  

Erma Gerdd: Confused? You won't be after this episode of Soap.

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Confused?

From a beta version of my "White Russian Paper"
Donald Trump's Business with Russia before the election.

Donald Trump got his start in the real estate business, originally in New York, but eventually branching out to properties up and down the atlantic coast from.   This would eventually branch out to casino, hotel, and golf properties as his primary ventures.   Through all of his success, Donald Trump's business have largely been mired in both controversy and failure.  On at least four different occasions, Trump properties have filed for bankruptcy.   A USA Today report found that Donald Trump and "and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades."

By the 2000s, Donald Trump was having to rely more on foreign banks to get loans for his ventures.  A Wall Street Journal report found that "After doing significant business with Mr. Trump in the 1980s and 1990s, Wall Street banks pulled back in part due to their frustration with his business practices."

One of the banks Donald Trump turned to for a new source of capital was Deutche Bank.  However, by November of 2008, Donald Trump was carrying a $640 million dollar loan to Deutche Bank, had a $40 million payment that was past due.  Deutche Bank was initiating legal proceedings to collect.   Donald Trump refused to pay, and even counter sued the bank.  Both parties settled out of court in 2009, and Deutche Bank went on to continue lending Trump Money.

Four months prior to the legal action by Duetche Bank,  Donald Trump was involved in the sale of a mansion in Palm Springs Florida for $95 million dollars to a Russian Oligarch named Dmitry Rybolovlev.   Four years earlier, in 2005, Donald Trump had purchased the Mansion for $41.5 million.    The Sale of the mansion for what was described as a $50 million dollar premium, and came at the exact time Trump was in need of the funds to make payment on the Duetche Bank loan.   Dmitry Rybolovlev never lived in the mansion, and the the mansion was eventually tore down.   Rybolovlev's wife accused him of using the purchase of the mansion to funnel and hide money that she was due, saying that Rybolovlev "has a history of secreting and transferring assets in order to avoid his obligations."

By the late 2000's, Russian Money laundering had become a global issue as Russian Oligarchs were attempting to use all kinds of complicated schemes to transfer massive sums of wealth out of Russia.   In 2017, Duetche Bank was fined over $630 million by both the US and UK governmnets for laundering over $10 billion by Russian interest.


This gives us the first two points of connection in 2008 between Donald Trump and Russian connected money laundering.  To what degree they are related is still uncertain, but they would both lead to further examples of money laundering and financial ties between Donald Trump and Russia.

Trump Tower itself would be ground zero for a Russian money laundering indictments when;

"For two years ending in 2013, the FBI had a court-approved warrant to eavesdrop on a sophisticated Russian organized crime money-laundering network that operated out of unit 63A in Trump Tower in New York.

The FBI investigation led to a federal grand jury indictment of more than 30 people, including one of the world's most notorious Russian mafia bosses, Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov. Known as the "Little Taiwanese," he was the only target to slip away, and he remains a fugitive from American justice.

Seven months after the April 2013 indictment and after Interpol issued a red notice for Tokhtakhounov, he appeared near Donald Trump in the VIP section of the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. Trump had sold the Russian rights for Miss Universe to a billionaire Russian shopping mall developer."


The Miss Universe Pageant of 2013 is another major point of contact between Donald Trump and Russian Oligarchs connected to Vladimir Putin.    It would also lay the groundwork for Trump's most ambitious project yet; Trump Tower Moscow.

In 2012, music producer Rob Goldstone began representing Emin Agalarov, the son of Russian Oligarch Aras Agalarov.    After it was announced that Rob Goldstone would be a judge at the Miss America Pageant, Emin Agalarov hired the winner of the Miss Universe Pageant.
In June of 2013, Rob Goldstone met Donald Trump during the Miss America contest.  The day after that meeting,  Donald Trump announced the Miss Universe Pageant would be held in Moscow in November 2013 at Crocus City Hall, home of Aras Agalarov.

This meeting also put Trump directly into Putin's sphere Aras Agalarov had close direct ties to Putin.  Just two weeks prior to the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow, Agalarov had been awarded the Order of Honor by Putin himself.   Agalarov's company, Crocus, also had been awarded several large Russian State construction projects after previously completing work on a military base.   Putin was originally scheduled to attend to the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow, but had to change plans.  He did send Donald Trump a personal note and a lacquer box to apologize for not attending.
While putting on the Miss Universe Pageant in 2013 in Moscow, Donald Trump
"also attended a private meeting with leading Russian businessmen at Nobu, the high-end Japanese restaurant chain for which Agalarov owns the Moscow franchise. The dinner was arranged by Herman Gref, Putin's former energy minister and now chief executive of the state-owned Sberbank, Russia's biggest bank. The bank, which was another sponsor of Miss Universe, was later among the Russian companies sanctioned by the US over Russia's annexing part of Ukraine in 2014"

Two days after the Pageant in  Moscow, Donald Trump Tweeted,
"@AgalarovAras I had a great weekend with you and your family. You have done a FANTASTIC job. TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next. EMIN was WOW!"

Eight days later, Sberbank announced to it was lending Aras Agalarov 55bl rubbles ($1.5 billion dollars) for " the financing of residential and commercial real estate projects in Moscow."

With this, we have, in a matter of months, Donald Trump coming in contact with Rob Goldstone and Emin Agalarov, Trump moved his Miss Universe Pageant to Moscow, where he met more Russian Oligarchs and arranged a billion dollar deal for Trump Tower Moscow.

The following year, In 2014, Eric Trump (son of President Trump) would tell Golf writer James Dodson,  "Well, we don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.'

Its also worth noting, that by early 2013, there was plenty of information out there suggesting a likely 2016 presidential run by Donald Trump.    By May of 2013, it was already being reported that Donald Trump had spent over $1 million on researching a campaign.  According to Trump's special counsel Michael Cohen, "The electoral research was commissioned. We did not spend $1 million on this research for it just to sit on my bookshelf."

What this means, is that by the time Rob Goldstone and Aras Emin first contacted Donald Trump, there was every reason to believe that Donald Trump was likely to become a presidential candidate on the 2016 ballot, and two years before he officially declared his candidacy, Russian officials with direct ties to Vladimir where financially courting Donald Trump and his business interest.
 
2017-09-29 07:06:56 PM  
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2017-09-29 07:09:29 PM  
The New Yorker - March 13, 2017 - Donald Trump's Worst Deal
The President helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan that appears to be a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran's Revolutionary Guard.
 
2017-09-29 07:14:19 PM  
Why does that put Trump in a bind?  His voters and supporters have already accepted that Russia is our bestest friend ever and that Putin's cock tastes pretty good after sucking it for 9 months straight.

/Yes, I do need a drink or several.
 
2017-09-29 07:20:15 PM  

blastoh: Erma Gerdd: Confused? You won't be after this episode of Soap.

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Confused?

From a beta version of my "White Russian Paper"
Donald Trump's Business with Russia before the election.

Donald Trump got his start in the real estate business, originally in New York, but eventually branching out to properties up and down the atlantic coast from.   This would eventually branch out to casino, hotel, and golf properties as his primary ventures.   Through all of his success, Donald Trump's business have largely been mired in both controversy and failure.  On at least four different occasions, Trump properties have filed for bankruptcy.   A USA Today report found that Donald Trump and "and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades."

By the 2000s, Donald Trump was having to rely more on foreign banks to get loans for his ventures.  A Wall Street Journal report found that "After doing significant business with Mr. Trump in the 1980s and 1990s, Wall Street banks pulled back in part due to their frustration with his business practices."

One of the banks Donald Trump turned to for a new source of capital was Deutche Bank.  However, by November of 2008, Donald Trump was carrying a $640 million dollar loan to Deutche Bank, had a $40 million payment that was past due.  Deutche Bank was initiating legal proceedings to collect.   Donald Trump refused to pay, and even counter sued the bank.  Both parties settled out of court in 2009, and Deutche Bank went on to continue lending Trump Money.

Four months prior to the legal action by Duetche Bank,  Donald Trump was involved in the sale of a mansion in Palm Springs Florida for $95 million dollars to a Russian Oligarch named Dmitry Rybolovlev.   Four years earlier, in 2005, Donald Trump had purchased the Mansion for $41.5 million.    The Sale of the mansion for what was described as a $50 million dollar premium, and came at the exact time Trump was in need of the funds to make payment on the Duetche Bank loan.   Dmitry Rybolovlev never lived in the mansion, and the the mansion was eventually tore down.   Rybolovlev's wife accused him of using the purchase of the mansion to funnel and hide money that she was due, saying that Rybolovlev "has a history of secreting and transferring assets in order to avoid his obligations."

By the late 2000's, Russian Money laundering had become a global issue as Russian Oligarchs were attempting to use all kinds of complicated schemes to transfer massive sums of wealth out of Russia.   In 2017, Duetche Bank was fined over $630 million by both the US and UK governmnets for laundering over $10 billion by Russian interest.


This gives us the first two points of connection in 2008 between Donald Trump and Russian connected money laundering.  To what degree they are related is still uncertain, but they would both lead to further examples of money laundering and financial ties between Donald Trump and Russia.

Trump Tower itself would be ground zero for a Russian money laundering indictments when;

"For two years ending in 2013, the FBI had a court-approved warrant to eavesdrop on a sophisticated Russian organized crime money-laundering network that operated out of unit 63A in Trump Tower in New York.

The FBI investigation led to a federal grand jury indictment of more than 30 people, including one of the world's most notorious Russian mafia bosses, Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov. Known as the "Little Taiwanese," he was the only target to slip away, and he remains a fugitive from American justice.

Seven months after the April 2013 indictment and after Interpol issued a red notice for Tokhtakhounov, he appeared near Donald Trump in the VIP section of the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. Trump had sold the Russian rights for Miss Universe to a billionaire Russian shopping mall developer."

The Miss Universe Pageant of 2013 is another major point of contact between Donald Trump and Russian Oligarchs connected to Vladimir Putin.    It would also lay the groundwork for Trump's most ambitious project yet; Trump Tower Moscow.

In 2012, music producer Rob Goldstone began representing Emin Agalarov, the son of Russian Oligarch Aras Agalarov.    After it was announced that Rob Goldstone would be a judge at the Miss America Pageant, Emin Agalarov hired the winner of the Miss Universe Pageant.
In June of 2013, Rob Goldstone met Donald Trump during the Miss America contest.  The day after that meeting,  Donald Trump announced the Miss Universe Pageant would be held in Moscow in November 2013 at Crocus City Hall, home of Aras Agalarov.

This meeting also put Trump directly into Putin's sphere Aras Agalarov had close direct ties to Putin.  Just two weeks prior to the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow, Agalarov had been awarded the Order of Honor by Putin himself.   Agalarov's company, Crocus, also had been awarded several large Russian State construction projects after previously completing work on a military base.   Putin was originally scheduled to attend to the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow, but had to change plans.  He did send Donald Trump a personal note and a lacquer box to apologize for not attending.
While putting on the Miss Universe Pageant in 2013 in Moscow, Donald Trump
"also attended a private meeting with leading Russian businessmen at Nobu, the high-end Japanese restaurant chain for which Agalarov owns the Moscow franchise. The dinner was arranged by Herman Gref, Putin's former energy minister and now chief executive of the state-owned Sberbank, Russia's biggest bank. The bank, which was another sponsor of Miss Universe, was later among the Russian companies sanctioned by the US over Russia's annexing part of Ukraine in 2014"

Two days after the Pageant in  Moscow, Donald Trump Tweeted,
"@AgalarovAras I had a great weekend with you and your family. You have done a FANTASTIC job. TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next. EMIN was WOW!"

Eight days later, Sberbank announced to it was lending Aras Agalarov 55bl rubbles ($1.5 billion dollars) for " the financing of residential and commercial real estate projects in Moscow."

With this, we have, in a matter of months, Donald Trump coming in contact with Rob Goldstone and Emin Agalarov, Trump moved his Miss Universe Pageant to Moscow, where he met more Russian Oligarchs and arranged a billion dollar deal for Trump Tower Moscow.

The following year, In 2014, Eric Trump (son of President Trump) would tell Golf writer James Dodson,  "Well, we don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.'

Its also worth noting, that by early 2013, there was plenty of information out there suggesting a likely 2016 presidential run by Donald Trump.    By May of 2013, it was already being reported that Donald Trump had spent over $1 million on researching a campaign.  According to Trump's special counsel Michael Cohen, "The electoral research was commissioned. We did not spend $1 million on this research for it just to sit on my bookshelf."

What this means, is that by the time Rob Goldstone and Aras Emin first contacted Donald Trump, there was every reason to believe that Donald Trump was likely to become a presidential candidate on the 2016 ballot, and two years before he officially declared his candidacy, Russian officials with direct ties to Vladimir where financially courting Donald Trump and his business interest.


Well done.

*Golf clap*
 
2017-09-29 07:20:54 PM  
blastoh:From a beta version of my "White Russian Paper"
Donald Trump's Business with Russia before the election....


What really gets me is that perhaps the worst perp Wilbur Ross is completely off the radar.
 
2017-09-29 07:25:03 PM  

gopher321: Erma Gerdd: Confused? You won't be after this episode of Soap.

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Tune in tomorrow for the next episode of..."The Blades of Our Knives"

 
2017-09-29 07:26:06 PM  

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Wrong former Soviet republic.
 
2017-09-29 07:27:57 PM  
Wait until the Death Eaters find out
 
2017-09-29 07:29:42 PM  

the_innkeeper: Well done.

*Golf clap*


thanks, its three of 16 pages (what will likely be just over 20ish)  I'm trying to put it all into a single digestible format.  The biggest problem is there are so many rabbit holes, and they go in so many different direction.  


berylman: blastoh:From a beta version of my "White Russian Paper"
Donald Trump's Business with Russia before the election....

What really gets me is that perhaps the worst perp Wilbur Ross is completely off the radar.


I'm returning to look at him.  Yes I know about the Bank of Cypress, but I have having a hard time putting Ross square in the mix.  He honestly looks more like one of many very organic connections to the whole than than something truly nefarious. But again, its on my radar to have another look at him.
 
2017-09-29 07:31:39 PM  

blastoh: Erma Gerdd: Confused? You won't be after this episode of Soap.

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Confused?

From a beta version of my "White Russian Paper"
Donald Trump's Business with Russia before the election.

Donald Trump got his start in the real estate business, originally in New York, but eventually branching out to properties up and down the atlantic coast from.   This would eventually branch out to casino, hotel, and golf properties as his primary ventures.   Through all of his success, Donald Trump's business have largely been mired in both controversy and failure.  On at least four different occasions, Trump properties have filed for bankruptcy.   A USA Today report found that Donald Trump and "and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades."

By the 2000s, Donald Trump was having to rely more on foreign banks to get loans for his ventures.  A Wall Street Journal report found that "After doing significant business with Mr. Trump in the 1980s and 1990s, Wall Street banks pulled back in part due to their frustration with his business practices."

One of the banks Donald Trump turned to for a new source of capital was Deutche Bank.  However, by November of 2008, Donald Trump was carrying a $640 million dollar loan to Deutche Bank, had a $40 million payment that was past due.  Deutche Bank was initiating legal proceedings to collect.   Donald Trump refused to pay, and even counter sued the bank.  Both parties settled out of court in 2009, and Deutche Bank went on to continue lending Trump Money.

Four months prior to the legal action by Duetche Bank,  Donald Trump was involved in the sale of a mansion in Palm Springs Florida for $95 million dollars to a Russian Oligarch named Dmitry Rybolovlev.   Four years earlier, in 2005, Donald Trump had purchased the Mansion for $41.5 million.    The Sale of the mansion for what was described as a $50 million dollar premium, and came at the exact time Trump was in need of the funds to make payment on the Duetche Bank loan.   Dmitry Rybolovlev never lived in the mansion, and the the mansion was eventually tore down.   Rybolovlev's wife accused him of using the purchase of the mansion to funnel and hide money that she was due, saying that Rybolovlev "has a history of secreting and transferring assets in order to avoid his obligations."

By the late 2000's, Russian Money laundering had become a global issue as Russian Oligarchs were attempting to use all kinds of complicated schemes to transfer massive sums of wealth out of Russia.   In 2017, Duetche Bank was fined over $630 million by both the US and UK governmnets for laundering over $10 billion by Russian interest.


This gives us the first two points of connection in 2008 between Donald Trump and Russian connected money laundering.  To what degree they are related is still uncertain, but they would both lead to further examples of money laundering and financial ties between Donald Trump and Russia.

Trump Tower itself would be ground zero for a Russian money laundering indictments when;

"For two years ending in 2013, the FBI had a court-approved warrant to eavesdrop on a sophisticated Russian organized crime money-laundering network that operated out of unit 63A in Trump Tower in New York.

The FBI investigation led to a federal grand jury indictment of more than 30 people, including one of the world's most notorious Russian mafia bosses, Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov. Known as the "Little Taiwanese," he was the only target to slip away, and he remains a fugitive from American justice.

Seven months after the April 2013 indictment and after Interpol issued a red notice for Tokhtakhounov, he appeared near Donald Trump in the VIP section of the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. Trump had sold the Russian rights for Miss Universe to a billionaire Russian shopping mall developer."

The Miss Universe Pageant of 2013 is another major point of contact between Donald Trump and Russian Oligarchs connected to Vladimir Putin.    It would also lay the groundwork for Trump's most ambitious project yet; Trump Tower Moscow.

In 2012, music producer Rob Goldstone began representing Emin Agalarov, the son of Russian Oligarch Aras Agalarov.    After it was announced that Rob Goldstone would be a judge at the Miss America Pageant, Emin Agalarov hired the winner of the Miss Universe Pageant.
In June of 2013, Rob Goldstone met Donald Trump during the Miss America contest.  The day after that meeting,  Donald Trump announced the Miss Universe Pageant would be held in Moscow in November 2013 at Crocus City Hall, home of Aras Agalarov.

This meeting also put Trump directly into Putin's sphere Aras Agalarov had close direct ties to Putin.  Just two weeks prior to the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow, Agalarov had been awarded the Order of Honor by Putin himself.   Agalarov's company, Crocus, also had been awarded several large Russian State construction projects after previously completing work on a military base.   Putin was originally scheduled to attend to the Miss Universe Pageant in Moscow, but had to change plans.  He did send Donald Trump a personal note and a lacquer box to apologize for not attending.
While putting on the Miss Universe Pageant in 2013 in Moscow, Donald Trump
"also attended a private meeting with leading Russian businessmen at Nobu, the high-end Japanese restaurant chain for which Agalarov owns the Moscow franchise. The dinner was arranged by Herman Gref, Putin's former energy minister and now chief executive of the state-owned Sberbank, Russia's biggest bank. The bank, which was another sponsor of Miss Universe, was later among the Russian companies sanctioned by the US over Russia's annexing part of Ukraine in 2014"

Two days after the Pageant in  Moscow, Donald Trump Tweeted,
"@AgalarovAras I had a great weekend with you and your family. You have done a FANTASTIC job. TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next. EMIN was WOW!"

Eight days later, Sberbank announced to it was lending Aras Agalarov 55bl rubbles ($1.5 billion dollars) for " the financing of residential and commercial real estate projects in Moscow."

With this, we have, in a matter of months, Donald Trump coming in contact with Rob Goldstone and Emin Agalarov, Trump moved his Miss Universe Pageant to Moscow, where he met more Russian Oligarchs and arranged a billion dollar deal for Trump Tower Moscow.

The following year, In 2014, Eric Trump (son of President Trump) would tell Golf writer James Dodson,  "Well, we don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.'

Its also worth noting, that by early 2013, there was plenty of information out there suggesting a likely 2016 presidential run by Donald Trump.    By May of 2013, it was already being reported that Donald Trump had spent over $1 million on researching a campaign.  According to Trump's special counsel Michael Cohen, "The electoral research was commissioned. We did not spend $1 million on this research for it just to sit on my bookshelf."

What this means, is that by the time Rob Goldstone and Aras Emin first contacted Donald Trump, there was every reason to believe that Donald Trump was likely to become a presidential candidate on the 2016 ballot, and two years before he officially declared his candidacy, Russian officials with direct ties to Vladimir where financially courting Donald Trump and his business interest.


Nice summary. Just a little note - it's DeutscheBank, you forgot the "s".
 
2017-09-29 07:32:54 PM  
Look, it is simple... Are they rich, corrupt and amoral? Well, then Trump knows and likes them...
 
2017-09-29 07:34:29 PM  

fusillade762: Weird how 45 gets along so well with corrupt kleptocrats. Did I say weird? I meant the opposite of that.


Well, sheit. You basically said what I did, but long before. That's what I get for posting before reading...
 
2017-09-29 07:35:24 PM  

King Something: TrixieDelite: [www.gstatic.com image 850x1275]

Wrong former Soviet republic.


They all start to sound the same after a while.
 
2017-09-29 07:40:32 PM  

blastoh: the_innkeeper: Well done.

*Golf clap*

thanks, its three of 16 pages (what will likely be just over 20ish)  I'm trying to put it all into a single digestible format.  The biggest problem is there are so many rabbit holes, and they go in so many different direction.


I think that's what makes it so hard to believe beyond "conspiracy theory", except this is what a big farking conspiracy looks like.

There is going to be some much ink printed about this, and our grandkids will be looking at like we were stupid, asking, "how could you all not see this?"

All I can say is, "not enough did."
 
2017-09-29 07:42:03 PM  

blastoh: the_innkeeper: Well done.

*Golf clap*

thanks, its three of 16 pages (what will likely be just over 20ish)  I'm trying to put it all into a single digestible format.  The biggest problem is there are so many rabbit holes, and they go in so many different direction.
berylman: blastoh:From a beta version of my "White Russian Paper"
Donald Trump's Business with Russia before the election....

What really gets me is that perhaps the worst perp Wilbur Ross is completely off the radar.

I'm returning to look at him.  Yes I know about the Bank of Cypress, but I have having a hard time putting Ross square in the mix.  He honestly looks more like one of many very organic connections to the whole than than something truly nefarious. But again, its on my radar to have another look at him.


Great work, dude. Keep it coming.
 
2017-09-29 07:42:11 PM  

blastoh: I'm returning to look at him.  Yes I know about the Bank of Cypress, but I have having a hard time putting Ross square in the mix.  He honestly looks more like one of many very organic connections to the whole than than something truly nefarious. But again, its on my radar to have another look at him.


Oh sure he looks like this ignorant folksy motherfarker. Don;t judge a person on looks ever.
 
2017-09-29 07:46:41 PM  

the_innkeeper: blastoh: the_innkeeper: Well done.

*Golf clap*

thanks, its three of 16 pages (what will likely be just over 20ish)  I'm trying to put it all into a single digestible format.  The biggest problem is there are so many rabbit holes, and they go in so many different direction.

I think that's what makes it so hard to believe beyond "conspiracy theory", except this is what a big farking conspiracy looks like.

There is going to be some much ink printed about this, and our grandkids will be looking at like we were stupid, asking, "how could you all not see this?"

All I can say is, "not enough did."


And a few decided to Not See this, because they were, are and forever will be upset that the 44th President of the United States was a guy whose father couldn't legally drink from the same water fountain as them (and their fathers, in some cases)
 
2017-09-29 07:46:51 PM  

the_innkeeper: blastoh: the_innkeeper: Well done.

*Golf clap*

thanks, its three of 16 pages (what will likely be just over 20ish)  I'm trying to put it all into a single digestible format.  The biggest problem is there are so many rabbit holes, and they go in so many different direction.

I think that's what makes it so hard to believe beyond "conspiracy theory", except this is what a big farking conspiracy looks like.

There is going to be some much ink printed about this, and our grandkids will be looking at like we were stupid, asking, "how could you all not see this?"

All I can say is, "not enough did."


after the election, a big point for me has been, "I'm not going to pretend that shiat didn't just happen."

Seirously, 
I refuse to pretend this shiat didn't happen:
..... Republican National convention which took place on July 18-21, 2016.  Three things occurred at the time of the convention that raises concern.

First, the only part of the GOP Platform anyone from Trump's team had any input on was removing language calling for the support of "lethal defensive weapons" for Ukraine against Russia. Despite Trumps many campaign promises such as a wall and a ban on Muslims, this was the only input his team had on the platform.  This change came from Trump himself.

Secondly, Sergey Kislyak (the Russian Ambassador to the United States) attended the GOP convention and met with High ranking members of Trump's campaign, including Then Senator (and now attorney General Jeff Sessions), Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort, and National Security adviser Michael Flynn.

Finally, the day after the Republican Convention was over, Wikileaks released the DNC hacked emails.

Five days later, Donald Trump looked directly into a camera and said, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing"

In short, while the Russian Ambassador was meeting with Trump's people at the convention, Trump got a single altercation made to the GOP platform that was beneficial to Russia.   Two days later, Russia used Wikileaks to release the DNC hacked emails.   The response from Donald Trump was to tell Russia to keep going.
 
2017-09-29 07:47:02 PM  

Lance Robdon: Why does that put Trump in a bind?  His voters and supporters have already accepted that Russia is our bestest friend ever and that Putin's cock tastes pretty good after sucking it for 9 months straight.


Here's the crux of the issue. Unless something dramatically changes in the next few months, there's about to be a shooting war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over the Nagorno-Karabach region. There have already been shots fired, and civilian deaths.

Azerbaijan's main regional ally is Turkey. Armenia has the backing of Russia. Trump is going to have to choose either Putin, or Erdogan and Aliyev. Winner gets mineral rights to what's basically the West Virginia of Azerbaijan.
 
2017-09-29 07:48:51 PM  
Are there any Russians who aren't involved in the scandal? Christ, it's like the entire country had dealings with Trump. If he put as much effort into making deals with them as he did, well, anythin gelse.
 
2017-09-29 07:52:20 PM  

blastoh: the_innkeeper: blastoh: the_innkeeper: Well done.

*Golf clap*

thanks, its three of 16 pages (what will likely be just over 20ish)  I'm trying to put it all into a single digestible format.  The biggest problem is there are so many rabbit holes, and they go in so many different direction.

I think that's what makes it so hard to believe beyond "conspiracy theory", except this is what a big farking conspiracy looks like.

There is going to be some much ink printed about this, and our grandkids will be looking at like we were stupid, asking, "how could you all not see this?"

All I can say is, "not enough did."

after the election, a big point for me has been, "I'm not going to pretend that shiat didn't just happen."

Seirously, 
I refuse to pretend this shiat didn't happen:
..... Republican National convention which took place on July 18-21, 2016.  Three things occurred at the time of the convention that raises concern.

First, the only part of the GOP Platform anyone from Trump's team had any input on was removing language calling for the support of "lethal defensive weapons" for Ukraine against Russia. Despite Trumps many campaign promises such as a wall and a ban on Muslims, this was the only input his team had on the platform.  This change came from Trump himself.

Secondly, Sergey Kislyak (the Russian Ambassador to the United States) attended the GOP convention and met with High ranking members of Trump's campaign, including Then Senator (and now attorney General Jeff Sessions), Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort, and National Security adviser Michael Flynn.

Finally, the day after the Republican Convention was over, Wikileaks released the DNC hacked emails.

Five days later, Donald Trump looked directly into a camera and said, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing"

In short, while the Russian Ambassador was meeting with Trump's people at the convention, Trump got a single altercation made to the GOP platform that was beneficial to Russia.   Two days later, Russia used Wikileaks to release the DNC hacked emails.   The response from Donald Trump was to tell Russia to keep going.


Nailed it.

I could chalk Manafort and lewandowski as trump clusterfarking his campaign.

Once the plank changed, and the ask for Russian hacking went out, I knew something was up. Trump isn't that smart or original.

Ross will get strung up with the rest. There are too many pissed off g-men and spooks to let this go lightly.
 
2017-09-29 08:01:09 PM  

Lackofname: Christ, it's like the entire country had dealings with Trump.


Legit banks won't lend to Trump. For a long time he's been dependent on Russian and other foreign interests looking for an opportunity to launder their dirty money.
 
2017-09-29 08:01:21 PM  
awesome, blastoh

i think that after the fall of the ussr, things like property rights in the ex-ussr were pretty much enforced by the mafia. globally, even pre-putin, they had a reputation for white-collar crime perpetrated by lots of highly educated members. on money laundering specifically, to give an idea of some background, again looking back pre-putin, their expertise was such that they were likely being used by other groups operating in the us, such as the cartels. for example:

"russian organized crime groups are believed to be heavily involved in the laundering of the profits of these colombian drug cartels" testimony of george j weise, commissioner, us customs service

Russian Organized Crime in the United States: Hearing Before the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations of the Committee on Governmental Affairs, United States Senate, One Hundred Fourth Congress, Second Session, May 15, 1996
 
2017-09-29 09:08:21 PM  
also, on the groups that have emerged since the early 90s, i don't think there's any real argument that they have serious political and business connections, or that there weren't a lot of roles taken up by ranking ex-kgb officers. a particular feature that might be in play is that while there may be a global russian 'boss of bosses,' the individual russian transnational organized crime groups are often described as 'fluid' compared to established, non-russian groups; with the suggestion being that they have for decades been functioning particularly effectively in significant part by what could be considered maximizing their available talent pool and drafting chosen experts in relevant fields in from different sources and putting them together for specific jobs, on behalf of themselves and others
 
2017-09-29 09:28:57 PM  

jaytkay: The New Yorker - March 13, 2017 - Donald Trump's Worst Deal
The President helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan that appears to be a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran's Revolutionary Guard.


Is that only how long ago that article came out?  Dear god
 
2017-09-29 09:35:59 PM  

blastoh: snipped


Goldstone is a music promoter, not producer, AFAIK. It's not like there's a guild or anything. Anyone can call themselves either, or both.

Russian officials with direct ties to Vladimir where were financially courting Donald Trump and his business interest.
 
2017-09-29 10:23:18 PM  
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Russia pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2017-09-29 10:36:57 PM  
Welcome to Americstan. Great success! Signed: Borat.
 
2017-09-29 10:42:44 PM  

willfullyobscure: My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Russia pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.


that would probably work better if you were not a gamergater and there was some chance, no matter how remote, of you having a best friend

perhaps switch it up to "My sister's best friend's" next time
 
2017-09-30 04:46:12 AM  

21-7-b: willfullyobscure: My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Russia pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

that would probably work better if you were not a gamergater and there was some chance, no matter how remote, of you having a best friend

perhaps switch it up to "My sister's best friend's" next time


Don't mind him. His foot's up a dog's butt all day.
 
2017-09-30 04:59:11 AM  

21-7-b: willfullyobscure: My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Russia pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

that would probably work better if you were not a gamergater and there was some chance, no matter how remote, of you having a best friend

perhaps switch it up to "My sister's best friend's" next time


I am not a gamergater. I have never professed support for the movement or for what it stands.,
 
2017-09-30 09:54:06 AM  
of course. for you the question was about ethics in gaming journalism
 
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