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2017-09-29 09:24:42 AM  
fm.cnbc.com

"Thanks for your support, lefties"
 
2017-09-29 09:36:37 AM  
Article by one, Vladamir Putinofski, American from Main Street America. Go America.

Democrats have long been terrified that the Sanders-Clinton slugfest of 2016 would set off a prolonged civil war in the party, forcing incumbents to fight off primary challengers from the left in Senate and gubernatorial races.
It hasn't happened, dammit.
 
2017-09-29 09:49:43 AM  
Sure, that's one way to read it...if you are mentally retarded.

I wouldn't mind kicking Manchin out on his ass though, if I'm honest.

I'm generally fine with moderate Democrats in the near term. Other than their lack of support for Medicare for All, and they'll come around on that too.
 
2017-09-29 09:53:16 AM  
IMO, we really need to break away from the 2 party system.
 
2017-09-29 09:57:15 AM  

SpaceyCat: IMO, we really need to break away from the 2 party system.


But then how will we know who won the majority?
 
2017-09-29 10:02:43 AM  

SpaceyCat: IMO, we really need to break away from the 2 party system.


It is cheaper to buy just two parties, instead of four or more.

That being said, what we really need to do is undo the Citizens United ruling, which basically lets any billionaire with a hair up his ass to start his own party whenever they damned please. If Robert Mercer & Sheldon Adelson are limited in what they can donate and can't be the Medicis for every batshiat crazy lunatic in this country that's a start in the right direction.

The parties have basically been gutted at this point; they're almost a complete non-factor. The billionaires are calling the shots now.
 
2017-09-29 10:06:39 AM  
Not sure we're expected to "like" it, but Republican lite doesn't look all that bad right now.
 
2017-09-29 10:07:59 AM  

harleyquinnical: But then how will we know who won the majority?


*snerk*  The group with the highest percentage.  And it would hopefully lead to cooperation to get things done instead of this BS.

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: The billionaires are calling the shots now.


Yep
 
2017-09-29 10:10:01 AM  

bdub77: Sure, that's one way to read it...if you are mentally retarded.

I wouldn't mind kicking Manchin out on his ass though, if I'm honest.

I'm generally fine with moderate Democrats in the near term. Other than their lack of support for Medicare for All, and they'll come around on that too.


Yeah, but the counter to that is that Manchin in 2019 votes against ACA repeal.  Manchin's GOP successor supports it.  And given the 2018 Senate map, there is a very real danger that Republicans pick up enough seats to withstand Collins, Murkowski, McCain (if he's still alive), and Paul.
 
2017-09-29 10:23:05 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: bdub77: Sure, that's one way to read it...if you are mentally retarded.

I wouldn't mind kicking Manchin out on his ass though, if I'm honest.

I'm generally fine with moderate Democrats in the near term. Other than their lack of support for Medicare for All, and they'll come around on that too.

Yeah, but the counter to that is that Manchin in 2019 votes against ACA repeal.  Manchin's GOP successor supports it.  And given the 2018 Senate map, there is a very real danger that Republicans pick up enough seats to withstand Collins, Murkowski, McCain (if he's still alive), and Paul.


Go ahead repeal the ACA. Have fun with that, assholes. It's become increasingly clear that America is going to need some hard farking lessons, at the expense of its people, and that requires some actual reality thrown in there for good measure. No, I'm not happy about it, but as much I would like to avoid this scenario, this is what it seems to be coming to. So be it.
 
2017-09-29 10:24:42 AM  

SpaceyCat: harleyquinnical: But then how will we know who won the majority?

*snerk*  The group with the highest percentage.  And it would hopefully lead to cooperation to get things done instead of this BS.

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: The billionaires are calling the shots now.

Yep


It kills me that people have such a problem with plurality in politics; it's some nonsense about not being the true voice of the people.  I would rather the representatives cooperate and compromise rather than go all or nothing
 
2017-09-29 10:26:23 AM  

bdub77: ToastmasterGeneral: bdub77: Sure, that's one way to read it...if you are mentally retarded.

I wouldn't mind kicking Manchin out on his ass though, if I'm honest.

I'm generally fine with moderate Democrats in the near term. Other than their lack of support for Medicare for All, and they'll come around on that too.

Yeah, but the counter to that is that Manchin in 2019 votes against ACA repeal.  Manchin's GOP successor supports it.  And given the 2018 Senate map, there is a very real danger that Republicans pick up enough seats to withstand Collins, Murkowski, McCain (if he's still alive), and Paul.

Go ahead repeal the ACA. Have fun with that, assholes. It's become increasingly clear that America is going to need some hard farking lessons, at the expense of its people, and that requires some actual reality thrown in there for good measure. No, I'm not happy about it, but as much I would like to avoid this scenario, this is what it seems to be coming to. So be it.


If only there were examples from history about what happens when the poor are treated like garbage by the ruling class.
 
2017-09-29 10:31:23 AM  
That's pretty much the opposite of what the article actually says, Idiotmitter.

FTA: "Because of Donald Trump, the last two years have allowed these people to take positions that are very much on the side of progressives," said Pollock. They "take positions that the progressives embrace, that [are politically] beneficial even in states Trump won by 40 points."
 
2017-09-29 10:53:32 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Not sure we're expected to "like" it, but Republican lite doesn't look all that bad right now.


We've hit bottom in that basic competency is a significant selling point.
 
2017-09-29 10:54:24 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Not sure we're expected to "like" it, but Republican lite doesn't look all that bad right now.


I'd take full-bore (moderate) republican with a please and a thank you.

President Charlie Baker?
 
2017-09-29 10:54:37 AM  

harleyquinnical: SpaceyCat: harleyquinnical: But then how will we know who won the majority?

*snerk*  The group with the highest percentage.  And it would hopefully lead to cooperation to get things done instead of this BS.

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: The billionaires are calling the shots now.

Yep

It kills me that people have such a problem with plurality in politics; it's some nonsense about not being the true voice of the people.  I would rather the representatives cooperate and compromise rather than go all or nothing


Our system is set up, from Day 1, to be "all or nothing". Our system is "Weeners the post", not percentage representation, or even 50% +1. 

Until we rewrite the Constitution to change the base rules of our system, this is how it is.
 
2017-09-29 10:55:08 AM  
That is some A+ clickbait there, subby.
 
2017-09-29 10:56:35 AM  
I know the article is about the 2018 midterms, but this seems like an appropriate time to post this.
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 10:57:04 AM  

SpaceyCat: IMO, we really need to break away from the 2 party system.


The two party system only works when both parties can cooperate and reach reasonable compromise. That hasn't happened in a long time.
 
2017-09-29 10:57:27 AM  
A lot of would-be political scholars should go back and watch Bulls-era Phil Jackson press conferences to learn about playing the refs.

The reason Jordan got away with so much -- traveling, pushing off, betting on basketball games -- was his coach got everybody to scrutinize the reffing, according to Jackson's narrative.

So, next time you hear about how we're center-right, imagine Phil Jackson saying that in a WGN news show.
 
2017-09-29 10:58:12 AM  

SpaceyCat: IMO, we really need to break away from the 2 party system.


The nature of the system setup in the constitution naturally fosters and reinforces a two party system.  The real problem is that the Republicans have taken tribalism to such an absurd degree that there is rarely any dissent or individual thinking involved in determining goals.  It's just people following whatever bullshiat comes out of their party spokespeople's mouths, and their failures recently are only happening because the bills aren't pure enough to appease internal party politics.
 
2017-09-29 10:59:07 AM  

Teufelaffe: I know the article is about the 2018 midterms, but this seems like an appropriate time to post this.
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Dude, she's not running again.
 
2017-09-29 10:59:49 AM  
That article can't be right.  I was assured by Fark's DNC pearl clutchers that progressives would ruin everything and should be purged from the party for the greater good.
 
2017-09-29 10:59:53 AM  
If there is anyone who can look at the fecal carnival that is the Trump administration, or the GOP Congress and their repeated attempts to take healthcare away from millions, and still think there's no real difference between the Democrats and Republicans - seriously, look around you.
 
2017-09-29 11:00:06 AM  

Teufelaffe: I know the article is about the 2018 midterms, but this seems like an appropriate time to post this.
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Looks like someone didn't RTFA.
 
2017-09-29 11:01:06 AM  

'MURIKA!

pbs.twimg.com
 
2017-09-29 11:02:19 AM  
Republicans need to clean house, go back to Eisenhower-ish ideals and work off of that foundation.
 
2017-09-29 11:02:19 AM  

Teufelaffe: I know the article is about the 2018 midterms, but this seems like an appropriate time to post this.
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Condescension and blame-shifting is certainly a great way to get people to motivate people.  Wonderful job, I'm sure you're going places in the DNC.
 
2017-09-29 11:06:32 AM  

Murkanen: Teufelaffe: I know the article is about the 2018 midterms, but this seems like an appropriate time to post this.
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Condescension and blame-shifting is certainly a great way to get people to motivate people.  Wonderful job, I'm sure you're going places in the DNC.


Which items in that liat do you think are likely to be untrue?
 
2017-09-29 11:06:59 AM  

Teufelaffe: I know the article is about the 2018 midterms, but this seems like an appropriate time to post this.
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It's self-righteous shiat like this which will drive those very same people to vote Trump.
 
2017-09-29 11:07:23 AM  

bdub77: Sure, that's one way to read it...if you are mentally retarded.

I wouldn't mind kicking Manchin out on his ass though, if I'm honest.

I'm generally fine with moderate Democrats in the near term. Other than their lack of support for Medicare for All, and they'll come around on that too.


No manchin = no ACA
 
2017-09-29 11:08:13 AM  
Why would progressives vote GOP? The party is completely opposed to progress.
 
2017-09-29 11:08:32 AM  

CipollinaFan: SpaceyCat: IMO, we really need to break away from the 2 party system.

The two party system only works when both parties can cooperate and reach reasonable compromise. That hasn't happened in a long time.



We've got two cats fighting in a burlap sack, and you want to toss in a few more cats? How will that help?
 
2017-09-29 11:09:30 AM  

Teufelaffe: [img.fark.net image 850x918]


Dear majority of American voters:


Sorry, but our billionaire owners have spoken. Pray we don't alter the deal further right.
 
2017-09-29 11:10:00 AM  

bdub77: ToastmasterGeneral: bdub77: Sure, that's one way to read it...if you are mentally retarded.

I wouldn't mind kicking Manchin out on his ass though, if I'm honest.

I'm generally fine with moderate Democrats in the near term. Other than their lack of support for Medicare for All, and they'll come around on that too.

Yeah, but the counter to that is that Manchin in 2019 votes against ACA repeal.  Manchin's GOP successor supports it.  And given the 2018 Senate map, there is a very real danger that Republicans pick up enough seats to withstand Collins, Murkowski, McCain (if he's still alive), and Paul.

Go ahead repeal the ACA. Have fun with that, assholes. It's become increasingly clear that America is going to need some hard farking lessons, at the expense of its people, and that requires some actual reality thrown in there for good measure. No, I'm not happy about it, but as much I would like to avoid this scenario, this is what it seems to be coming to. So be it.


"Who cares if people die as long as I get to prove a political point!"

Who's the Republican lite here?
 
2017-09-29 11:10:06 AM  
Da comrade, both sides do appear to be badski.
 
2017-09-29 11:10:35 AM  

Fart_Machine: That article can't be right.  I was assured by Fark's DNC pearl clutchers that progressives would ruin everything and should be purged from the party for the greater good.


Could argue that they already did....
 
2017-09-29 11:10:43 AM  

LucklessWonder: 'MURIKA![pbs.twimg.com image 801x1200]


I'm good with that.
 
2017-09-29 11:11:02 AM  

give me doughnuts: CipollinaFan: SpaceyCat: IMO, we really need to break away from the 2 party system.

The two party system only works when both parties can cooperate and reach reasonable compromise. That hasn't happened in a long time.


We've got two cats fighting in a burlap sack, and you want to toss in a few more cats? How will that help?


It would at least be more entertaining.
 
2017-09-29 11:11:21 AM  
Oh good we have decided to shiat all over the progressive wing of the party again.  I was worried we might try to make progress and save this country instead of throwing another election or two.

Make me proud DNC, flush our chances down the toilet!
 
2017-09-29 11:11:38 AM  
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2017-09-29 11:11:51 AM  

SpaceyCat: IMO, we really need to break away from the 2 party system.


The Republican primary showed why that isn't a fix-all. There were at least a dozen candidates, dividing the non-idiotic vote which let Trump win the nomination with less than a majority. If Trump had to face off against only one or two opponents in their primary, there was a far better chance of someone other than him being the winner.

The problem isn't the parties, it's the voters. As long as there are people filling their heads with total BS and then voting while the more sane don't vote, we will get crappy results no matter how the system is structured.
 
2017-09-29 11:12:23 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Teufelaffe: I know the article is about the 2018 midterms, but this seems like an appropriate time to post this.
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It's self-righteous shiat like this which will drive those very same people to vote Trump.


If you vote for Trump because of some guy on the internet, you're an irredeemable moron.
 
2017-09-29 11:13:07 AM  

FlashHarry: That's pretty much the opposite of what the article actually says, Idiotmitter.

FTA: "Because of Donald Trump, the last two years have allowed these people to take positions that are very much on the side of progressives," said Pollock. They "take positions that the progressives embrace, that [are politically] beneficial even in states Trump won by 40 points."


It's a blatantly false clickbait headline greened to make a 400 post Dem vs Dem shiatfest because maybe 10% of Farkers RTFA.  Progressives vs Centrists, Sanders vs Clinton, old vs young.  FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

Are you new here?
 
2017-09-29 11:13:12 AM  
Subby apparently just read the headline and didn't bother reading the article.

True, "Give a pass" usually means "pass over" not "give a passing grade to". But the latter meaning was the one used in the headline.
 
2017-09-29 11:14:16 AM  
Archidude:

Which items in that liat do you think are likely to be untrue?

If the DNC has finally learned from the mistakes of Gore, Kerry, and Clinton then hopefully all of the valid ones will be untrue.

/no one expects "100% ideological purity"
//it's just a bullshiat strawman
///and is therefore not a valid concern
 
2017-09-29 11:14:47 AM  

jethroe: FlashHarry: That's pretty much the opposite of what the article actually says, Idiotmitter.

FTA: "Because of Donald Trump, the last two years have allowed these people to take positions that are very much on the side of progressives," said Pollock. They "take positions that the progressives embrace, that [are politically] beneficial even in states Trump won by 40 points."

It's a blatantly false clickbait headline greened to make a 400 post Dem vs Dem shiatfest because maybe 10% of Farkers RTFA.  Progressives vs Centrists, Sanders vs Clinton, old vs young.  FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

Are you new here?


When one considers Jethroe's dangerous, dirty fibs, an apparent contradiction arises between the necessity of freeing people from the fetters of Maoism's poisonous embrace while simultaneously trying to debate the efficacy of Jethroe's pigheaded apothegms. The problem is that there is no contradiction. Indeed, the former necessitates the latter. That is to say, Jethroe is reluctant to resolve problems. He always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that his stinking enormities disgust me. Of course, this sounds simple, but in reality, the real issue is simple: I recently checked out one of Jethroe's recent tracts. Oh, look; he's again saying that the best way to serve one's country is to divert us from proclaiming what in our innermost conviction is absolutely necessary.

Raise your hand if you're surprised.

Seriously, though, you could put most of Jethroe's satraps into what I call the "basket of deplorables". These are the scoundrels who are obtuse, tactless, hubristic, incorrigible-you name it. Jethroe has lifted such people up and given them a voice. As a result, one could safely say that I suggest that we say "no" to Jethroe's immoral ethics. This right and truthful proposition, practically established, will help us celebrate knowledge and truth for the sake of knowledge and truth. A final note: Jethroe's predatory goals will lead to worldwide financial collapse in a lustrum or two.
 
2017-09-29 11:16:32 AM  

Teufelaffe: I know the article is about the 2018 midterms, but this seems like an appropriate time to post this.
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FTFY.

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 11:16:36 AM  
Thanks the many of you who are already proving the point of what I posted.
 
2017-09-29 11:18:14 AM  

Teufelaffe: Thanks the many of you who are already proving the point of what I posted.


What's important is you got to feel superior those who likely vote 97% the same as you.
 
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