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(Salon)   No, Trump's State Dept is NOT forcing Puerto Rican refugees to sign promissory notes to get off the island. At least not yet, anyway   ( salon.com) divider line
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2017-09-29 04:44:19 AM  
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2017-09-29 04:45:04 AM  
There is some truth to MarketWatch's report: American citizens in Caribbean islands not part of the U.S. - such as St. Martin and Dominica - would have to sign promissory notes and repay the costs of their evacuation.

What madness is this?

What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?
 
2017-09-29 04:51:00 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: There is some truth to MarketWatch's report: American citizens in Caribbean islands not part of the U.S. - such as St. Martin and Dominica - would have to sign promissory notes and repay the costs of their evacuation.

What madness is this?

What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?


It got voted in last november.
 
2017-09-29 04:54:53 AM  
They may not be purposefully preventing people from evacuating, but their incompetence is achieving the same objective.
 
2017-09-29 05:07:03 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?


I give you - the Trump administration!
 
2017-09-29 05:20:35 AM  

Weaver95: Commander Lysdexic: What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?

I give you - the Trump administration!


The Aristocrats!
 
2017-09-29 05:25:03 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: There is some truth to MarketWatch's report: American citizens in Caribbean islands not part of the U.S. - such as St. Martin and Dominica - would have to sign promissory notes and repay the costs of their evacuation.

What madness is this?

What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?


Do we even make an effort to rescue our citizens during foreign natural disasters?
 
2017-09-29 05:25:33 AM  

Weaver95: Commander Lysdexic: What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?

I give you - the Trump administration! Republican party.


FTFY. Let's not separate the actions of Trump and his party, because Trump represents his party. He's the culmination of everything the GOP's been becoming since the Southern Strategy; xenophobia, arrogance and soulless greed.
 
2017-09-29 05:30:09 AM  

Summoner101: They may not be purposefully preventing people from evacuating, but their incompetence is achieving the same objective.


yeah, that's certainly not helping matters any.
 
2017-09-29 05:46:20 AM  
How farked up is this treatment of American citizens because they speak Spanish, you want an example of this admins racism, well, Americans dying in rubble I guess.
 
2017-09-29 05:52:42 AM  
Sounds like something they would come up with after a circle jerk cabinet meeting.
Still sucks that in American Samoa they need a passport to visit the mainland.
 
2017-09-29 05:58:50 AM  
20,000 troops?  Jesus, if that's what it takes to recover, great, get them there and get them to work. But just the size of that number underscores just how that island got completely farked in the ass by Maria when it blasted through and by Trump the cuck president.
 
2017-09-29 05:59:44 AM  

Smoking GNU: Commander Lysdexic: There is some truth to MarketWatch's report: American citizens in Caribbean islands not part of the U.S. - such as St. Martin and Dominica - would have to sign promissory notes and repay the costs of their evacuation.

What madness is this?

What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?

It got voted in last november.


It's actually a pretty old policy. That said, I don't know if it's typically enforced.
 
2017-09-29 06:09:22 AM  
I've said it before, but America's territories need to be either let go, or given statehood. The 'limbo' they're in, where they're under American control but have no real say in our government, is unsustainable and just leads to them getting farked.

Wasn't there a pretty important war fought about a location's inability to represent itself in the controlling government?
 
2017-09-29 06:15:07 AM  

Helen Keller's Moaning Hand: 20,000 troops?  Jesus, if that's what it takes to recover, great, get them there and get them to work. But just the size of that number underscores just how that island got completely farked in the ass by Maria when it blasted through and by Trump the cuck president.


I'd laugh at you for using the term "cuck", but in Trump's it is probably factually accurate; you just know she was getting action on the side that didn't make her want to vomit.
 
2017-09-29 06:28:35 AM  

Helen Keller's Moaning Hand: 20,000 troops?  Jesus, if that's what it takes to recover, great, get them there and get them to work. But just the size of that number underscores just how that island got completely farked in the ass by Maria when it blasted through and by Trump the cuck president.


The UK sent 900 troops to restore order & infrastructure in the BVIs, and the BVIs have a population of 30k.

20k troops might be an underestimate.
 
2017-09-29 06:35:29 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Do we even make an effort to rescue our citizens during foreign natural disasters?


Yes, we do.  That's part of the reason we have embassies and consulates and shiat, to provide assistance and protection to American citizens living, working, or visiting foreign countries.

Now I don't know if it's ever been free to evacuate Americans from foreign countries in the middle of a natural disaster or civil unrest, but that would be worth finding out, I think.
 
2017-09-29 06:36:14 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Helen Keller's Moaning Hand: 20,000 troops?  Jesus, if that's what it takes to recover, great, get them there and get them to work. But just the size of that number underscores just how that island got completely farked in the ass by Maria when it blasted through and by Trump the cuck president.

I'd laugh at you for using the term "cuck", but in Trump's it is probably factually accurate; you just know she was getting action on the side that didn't make her want to vomit.


Yeah, but given it's heavy misuse by conservatives, I think it's important to identify them as the very thing they criticize. Honestly, is there anyone here who believes that the conservatives who shiat on this website don't have ex-wives and children with the mailman's eyes?
 
2017-09-29 06:36:35 AM  

SomeAmerican: Helen Keller's Moaning Hand: 20,000 troops?  Jesus, if that's what it takes to recover, great, get them there and get them to work. But just the size of that number underscores just how that island got completely farked in the ass by Maria when it blasted through and by Trump the cuck president.

The UK sent 900 troops to restore order & infrastructure in the BVIs, and the BVIs have a population of 30k.

20k troops might be an underestimate.


You're probably right.
 
2017-09-29 06:43:13 AM  

Ambivalence: insertsnarkyusername: Do we even make an effort to rescue our citizens during foreign natural disasters?

Yes, we do.  That's part of the reason we have embassies and consulates and shiat, to provide assistance and protection to American citizens living, working, or visiting foreign countries.

Now I don't know if it's ever been free to evacuate Americans from foreign countries in the middle of a natural disaster or civil unrest, but that would be worth finding out, I think.


My understanding is that even if a country wasn't directly imvolved in disaster relief in anothet country the embassy would work with local agencies to try and get their own citizens to safety.

I've never heard of individuals being billed for being rescued by their own country. Do taxes not cover that? Is citizenship not enough?
 
2017-09-29 06:58:34 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: There is some truth to MarketWatch's report: American citizens in Caribbean islands not part of the U.S. - such as St. Martin and Dominica - would have to sign promissory notes and repay the costs of their evacuation.

What madness is this?

What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?


Remember all that Republican rhetoric last year about how America needed to be run more like a business, about how what it REALLY needs is a businessman to step up and make the USA more like a corporation?

This is part of that.

. . .sadly.
 
2017-09-29 07:01:15 AM  
But, how can we cut taxes on the rich if we waste all our money saving American lives?
 
2017-09-29 07:09:26 AM  
So, US citizens go to non US territory and get stranded. US agrees to help evacuate US citizen but for the cost of a average coach ticket, payable later.  I am ok with this. we didn't ask them to go there. why should we have to pay to bring them back
 
2017-09-29 07:20:44 AM  
China needs an island in the Caribbean.  Trump is trying to deliver.  China will bring in its own people.
 
2017-09-29 07:45:35 AM  
Yeah but they probably would right? It's safe to state as factual something that probably would be true as long as it is about someone you don't agree with.
 
2017-09-29 07:57:07 AM  

LordJiro: I've said it before, but America's territories need to be either let go, or given statehood. The 'limbo' they're in, where they're under American control but have no real say in our government, is unsustainable and just leads to them getting farked.

Wasn't there a pretty important war fought about a location's inability to represent itself in the controlling government?


The monied interests behind Puerto Rico's debt are the ones that like them being in that limbo.  If you really want an idea of what they are hoping for since the multiple hurricanes trashed the island, read a bit of 'Shock Doctrine' sometime.  These are people that if they can, will buy up the entire island to do with as they please, and screw over the citizens as much as possible to force them to pay for it.
 
2017-09-29 08:03:15 AM  
I will say that, after the 2011 Tohoku earthquake/tsunami/Fukishima nuclear crisis, the US embassy in Tokyo chartered buses from the city of Sendai (the largest city in the area) to Tokyo, as well as a flight from Tokyo to Taiwan for US citizens and their family members who wished to leave, after signing a promissory note.

Also, a French citizen in Japan at that time could've gotten a free Air France flight to Paris.
 
2017-09-29 08:46:10 AM  

Voxper: I will say that, after the 2011 Tohoku earthquake/tsunami/Fukishima nuclear crisis, the US embassy in Tokyo chartered buses from the city of Sendai (the largest city in the area) to Tokyo, as well as a flight from Tokyo to Taiwan for US citizens and their family members who wished to leave, after signing a promissory note.

Also, a French citizen in Japan at that time could've gotten a free Air France flight to Paris.


Well it's not like US ex-pats pay US income taxes.  Oh...wait...
 
2017-09-29 08:56:51 AM  

Ambivalence: Voxper: I will say that, after the 2011 Tohoku earthquake/tsunami/Fukishima nuclear crisis, the US embassy in Tokyo chartered buses from the city of Sendai (the largest city in the area) to Tokyo, as well as a flight from Tokyo to Taiwan for US citizens and their family members who wished to leave, after signing a promissory note.

Also, a French citizen in Japan at that time could've gotten a free Air France flight to Paris.

Well it's not like US ex-pats pay US income taxes.  Oh...wait...


It really underscores how narrow the definition of "deserving American" is, on a political and legal level. Apparently anyone who leaves the contiguous 48 doesn't count. And don't get too near the coasts either...

Deserving of what, well that's a different story.
 
2017-09-29 09:00:35 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: There is some truth to MarketWatch's report: American citizens in Caribbean islands not part of the U.S. - such as St. Martin and Dominica - would have to sign promissory notes and repay the costs of their evacuation.

What madness is this?

What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?


Welcome to Trump's America. Enjoy your stay.
 
2017-09-29 09:24:55 AM  

Ambivalence: Voxper: I will say that, after the 2011 Tohoku earthquake/tsunami/Fukishima nuclear crisis, the US embassy in Tokyo chartered buses from the city of Sendai (the largest city in the area) to Tokyo, as well as a flight from Tokyo to Taiwan for US citizens and their family members who wished to leave, after signing a promissory note.

Also, a French citizen in Japan at that time could've gotten a free Air France flight to Paris.

Well it's not like US ex-pats pay US income taxes.  Oh...wait...


Well, we expats do need to file, and also declare our overseas bank deposits, but there is a foreign income exclusion (Form 2555) which allows (I believe) exemptions of approximately $100,000 from taxation.

Fun fact: In 2003, the Senate narrowly voted to remove this exclusion (thanks for throwing that tie-breaking vote which coincidentally cut your own taxes, Dick Cheney!) but that part of the bill never became law.

However, if you also have income in the U.S., such as from a business or from investment (I do) then, rest assured, that gets taxed at the U.S. rate. And then I can use that amount to apply for a tax credit here in Japan, but I needed to see a specialist to do that.
 
2017-09-29 05:51:29 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Commander Lysdexic: There is some truth to MarketWatch's report: American citizens in Caribbean islands not part of the U.S. - such as St. Martin and Dominica - would have to sign promissory notes and repay the costs of their evacuation.

What madness is this?

What sort of country responds to it's citizens being starving and in danger of death by saying: Pay up or farking die?

Do we even make an effort to rescue our citizens during foreign natural disasters?


My Dad has a hair-raising story about being rescued by Marines while he was building a textile mill in Peru.  The Shining Path were on the rampage, and the Embassy sent the Marines to get all the Americans out of the way.  I don't think they charged him for the escort, but Dad did mention taking care of some pretty hefty bar tabs, so maybe they considered it even.

CSD
 
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