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(Variety)   Lynda Carter to James Cameron: "STOP dissing WW. You poor soul. Perhaps you do not understand the character. I most certainly do. Like all women--we are more than the sum of our parts...This movie was spot on. Gal Gadot was great"   ( variety.com) divider line
    More: Followup, James Cameron, Patty Jenkins, director James Cameron, Wonder Woman, Sarah Connor, Lynda Carter, poor soul, TV series  
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2017-09-29 01:30:36 PM  

peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?


I think Harley Quinn is climbing the ladder.
 
2017-09-29 01:31:55 PM  

Mugato: peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?

I think Harley Quinn is climbing the ladder.


I'd like her to climb my ladder IYKWIMAITYD
 
2017-09-29 01:34:36 PM  

rummonkey: My wife loved the new exhibit at Disney, so I guess they've got that going for them...


It is pretty awesome. The lines were too long for the rides but the area itself is pretty amazing. Didn't make the movie any better but it captured everything good about it, the visuals.

It's like Harry Potter Land at Universal. I don't like or dislike Harry Potter but the Land was spectacular. I didn't know what anything was but it looked great.
 
2017-09-29 01:35:04 PM  

Mugato: peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?

I think Harley Quinn is climbing the ladder.


I'll be right behind her on that ladder...
 
2017-09-29 01:36:04 PM  

Mugato: rummonkey: My wife loved the new exhibit at Disney, so I guess they've got that going for them...

It is pretty awesome. The lines were too long for the rides but the area itself is pretty amazing. Didn't make the movie any better but it captured everything good about it, the visuals.

It's like Harry Potter Land at Universal. I don't like or dislike Harry Potter but the Land was spectacular. I didn't know what anything was but it looked great.


She had the disabled pass and was able to skip a lot of lines. It made the trip bearable for me and the little ones.
 
2017-09-29 01:39:50 PM  

GungFu: [www.kino.dk image 538x667]
No joke, this is from Avatar 2: Kiddy Smurfs

So who are they? Mostly a cast of unknowns and young actors who will play members of Jake Sully (Sam Worthington) and Neytiri's (Zoe Saldana) family, plus some from the Metkayina clan, who are ruled by Cliff Curtis' Tonowari and one from the human outpost of Hell's Gate. Shown left to right are: Duane Evans Jr (Rotxo of the Metkayina Clan), Britain Dalton (Lo'ak of the Sully Family), Filip Geljo (Aonung of the Metkayina Clan), Trinity Bliss (Tuktirey of the Sully Family), Bailey Bass (Tsireya of the Metkayina Clan), Jack Champion (Javier "Spider" Socorro), and Jamie Flatters (Neteyam of the Sully Family, standing).

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/avatar/avatar-sequels-first-look-ne​w-young-cast/

I like James Cameron, but he should not speak so much.


I get the feeling this is going to be really bad.
 
2017-09-29 01:40:01 PM  

Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.

I want to bang your aunt

Okay....

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2017-09-29 01:41:20 PM  

peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?


Less and less so, the longer they spend around Zach Snyder.
 
2017-09-29 01:44:05 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.

I want to bang your aunt

Okay....
[img.fark.net image 342x400]

[img.fark.net image 500x616]


Thanks, now I have some 'splainin' to do at work. Purchasing isn't supposed to be funny.
 
2017-09-29 02:04:08 PM  
HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!
 
2017-09-29 02:07:48 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

[www.frockflicks.com image 600x898]


I'd like to pull that dress off.

/reported
 
2017-09-29 02:11:08 PM  
Cameron made some decent action films but WW is literally an icon and has been the idol o' millions of women and girls for decades. I guess he's just talking about this one movie and pretty much everyone likes Sarah Connor but the comparison seems petty and self-serving.
 
2017-09-29 02:18:56 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.

I want to bang your aunt

Okay....
[img.fark.net image 342x400]

[img.fark.net image 500x616]


Comedy Gold!!
 
2017-09-29 02:36:04 PM  
Cameron's problem is that he keeps thinking its a zero sum game. Sarah Conor is a great character and Wonder Woman changes that in no way shape or form. I loved the first two Terminator movies. Because I loved Wonder Woman I did not leave the theater thinking, 'After seeing Wonder Woman I guess the Sarah Conor character really sucked."
 
2017-09-29 02:40:12 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

[www.frockflicks.com image 600x898]


Two possible responses come to mind:

A> He totally could, but he'd be thinking of Peggy and/or Sharon

or

B>  He totally could:

nerdreactor.com
 
2017-09-29 02:42:51 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

[www.frockflicks.com image 600x898]


I would be willing to die trying to pull off that dress. (respectfully and with her expressly granted permission, of course).
 
2017-09-29 03:11:43 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.
She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.
I want to bang your aunt
Okay....
[img.fark.net image 342x400]
[img.fark.net image 500x616]


img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 03:23:36 PM  

skyotter: HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!


Well you seem to be the first to mention it here.

Why don't you write a treatise on Spider-Man while you're at it, Dr. Freud?
 
2017-09-29 03:34:38 PM  
Actually, WW looking like she couldn't deliver a punch made sense to me, particularly with her growing up on an island of jacked up Amazons. Seriously, can you imagine trying to build muscle when pushing tens of tons worth of weight isn't going to make you sweat?
 
2017-09-29 03:35:42 PM  

Mugato: skyotter: HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!

Well you seem to be the first to mention it here.

Why don't you write a treatise on Spider-Man while you're at it, Dr. Freud?


img.fark.net

And in almost every issue, she is chained or tied up. This plot staple provoked debate from the start: opponents of comic books thought it smacked of sexual fetishism (and fetishists agreed). But whatever it represented in Marston's personal psychology, bondage was an obvious metaphor for the many ways in which women were collectively and individually constrained by law and "tied down" by marriage, domesticity, children, and all the rest of it. What marvels would women achieve if only they could set themselves free? The myth of the Amazons shows how close to the surface of even the most misogynistic societies-and ancient Greece definitely qualifies-is the idea that women are at least men's equals, and possibly even their superiors. Only relentless repression keeps them down. The myth shows, too, how threatening to men is the notion of a being who combines the strength, valor, and independence of the ideal man with the sexual allure and intuitive powers of the ideal woman. Marston was quite right to defend his bondage imagery from charges of sadism-there was no blood, no rape, no pain. Besides, Wonder Woman always escapes and wins the day.
 
2017-09-29 04:01:35 PM  

Nurglitch: Actually, WW looking like she couldn't deliver a punch made sense to me, particularly with her growing up on an island of jacked up Amazons. Seriously, can you imagine trying to build muscle when pushing tens of tons worth of weight isn't going to make you sweat?


No one whined that Christopher Reeve couldn't arm wrestle Tyrion.

Having someone who can lift a tank with arms like The Rock is just pointless.
 
2017-09-29 04:03:36 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Mugato: skyotter: HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!

Well you seem to be the first to mention it here.

Why don't you write a treatise on Spider-Man while you're at it, Dr. Freud?

[img.fark.net image 324x500]

And in almost every issue, she is chained or tied up. This plot staple provoked debate from the start: opponents of comic books thought it smacked of sexual fetishism (and fetishists agreed). But whatever it represented in Marston's personal psychology, bondage was an obvious metaphor for the many ways in which women were collectively and individually constrained by law and "tied down" by marriage, domesticity, children, and all the rest of it. What marvels would women achieve if only they could set themselves free? The myth of the Amazons shows how close to the surface of even the most misogynistic societies-and ancient Greece definitely qualifies-is the idea that women are at least men's equals, and possibly even their superiors. Only relentless repression keeps them down. The myth shows, too, how threatening to men is the notion of a being who combines the strength, valor, and independence of the ideal man with the sexual allure and intuitive powers of the ideal woman. Marston was quite right to defend his bondage imagery from charges of sadism-there was no blood, no rape, no pain. Besides, Wonder Woman always escapes and wins the day.


I really can't believe that much thought was put into a lot of comic book characters, at least initially.
"How about...Squirrel Man? He's dresses like a squirrel and lives in a treehouse!"
 
2017-09-29 04:15:15 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

[www.frockflicks.com image 600x898]


Pfft. Says you.

i.pinimg.com
 
2017-09-29 04:37:15 PM  
i.pinimg.comMost beautiful WW ever.
 
2017-09-29 05:10:33 PM  
James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.  He's turning into a bitter old man who is jealous of those who possess the creativity he once had.
 
2017-09-29 05:41:03 PM  

cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.


I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.
 
2017-09-29 06:11:40 PM  

peterthx: cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.

I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.


Never criticize a rich person's work, cefm. They are your betters. Your betters!
 
2017-09-29 06:12:13 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: James Cameron is just trolling because Space Smurfs is no longer the biggest picture EVER. Stop feeding him, Lynda.

/and you are spot on right,Lynda


I agree with you, and I will also never understand the love for the ridiculously high-budget Fern Gully. It was pretty, I grant you that, but the story was blah.
 
2017-09-29 06:49:24 PM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


Don't overthink it. The movie was fun and Gal Gadot is insanely hot. That's all I needed.
 
2017-09-29 06:54:10 PM  

Mugato: peterthx: cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.

I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.

Never criticize a rich person's work, cefm. They are your betters. Your betters!


More like he and his millions of fans don't give a shiat.
 
2017-09-29 07:08:37 PM  

jmr61: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Don't overthink it. The movie was fun and Gal Gadot is insanely hot. That's all I needed.


It was a basic popcorn movie with a female superhero lead. Thats it. And yes, that was groundbreaking but it wasn't freaking Shakespeare either. And yes, I liked it but wasn't thrilled with the ending.
 
2017-09-29 07:29:15 PM  
She was heroic, with no motivation other than wanting to do what's right.

She wasn't trying to atone for her past, like Iron Man or Black Widow.  She wasn't trying to avenge loved ones, like Batman or the Punisher or Black Panther.  She wasn't trying to protect her private life, like Spider-Man.  She wasn't making a mess to save a best friend, like Captain America.

She simply saw people in danger, and wanted to help them.

I think that's worth a lot in today's superhero genre.  :)
 
2017-09-29 07:36:35 PM  

peterthx: Mugato: peterthx: cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.

I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.

Never criticize a rich person's work, cefm. They are your betters. Your betters!

More like he and his millions of fans don't give a shiat.


Pretty sure he wasn't talking directly to James Cameron.
 
2017-09-29 07:45:42 PM  
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2017-09-29 08:02:06 PM  

skyotter: She was heroic, with no motivation other than wanting to do what's right.

She wasn't trying to atone for her past, like Iron Man or Black Widow.  She wasn't trying to avenge loved ones, like Batman or the Punisher or Black Panther.  She wasn't trying to protect her private life, like Spider-Man.  She wasn't making a mess to save a best friend, like Captain America.

She simply saw people in danger, and wanted to help them.

I think that's worth a lot in today's superhero genre.  :)


Yeah, that was the one thing I think this movie did better than any superhero movie since Superman: The Movie.  While it wasn't perfect, and the final battle was certainly flawed, I really did like the idea that someone can do something just because they are good.

I think it showed that people really like superheroes who are good people.  That's not boring; that's iconic and can be uplifting.
 
2017-09-29 10:04:08 PM  

T.rex: It did seem incredibly petty at the time, when he made those comments. T2 was on the other day, and in context to those comments, i was looking for something in depth about Sarah Connor.... What? She does chin-ups in jail?  That makes her some heroine or something?


She had better character development in the first one. Although the scene where she goes after Miles is pretty intense, better acting than she had to do in the first one. But the writing and the character were a lot more "natural" in the first one. The more I watch, the more I like the first one as an actual story.
 
2017-09-29 10:48:49 PM  

Mugato: Nurglitch: Actually, WW looking like she couldn't deliver a punch made sense to me, particularly with her growing up on an island of jacked up Amazons. Seriously, can you imagine trying to build muscle when pushing tens of tons worth of weight isn't going to make you sweat?

No one whined that Christopher Reeve couldn't arm wrestle Tyrion.

Having someone who can lift a tank with arms like The Rock is just pointless.


And he put on muscle for the role working out with Darth Vader.
But Henry Cavill is almost too muscular.
 
2017-09-29 10:49:12 PM  

RyansPrivates: skyotter: She was heroic, with no motivation other than wanting to do what's right.

She wasn't trying to atone for her past, like Iron Man or Black Widow.  She wasn't trying to avenge loved ones, like Batman or the Punisher or Black Panther.  She wasn't trying to protect her private life, like Spider-Man.  She wasn't making a mess to save a best friend, like Captain America.

She simply saw people in danger, and wanted to help them.

I think that's worth a lot in today's superhero genre.  :)

Yeah, that was the one thing I think this movie did better than any superhero movie since Superman: The Movie.  While it wasn't perfect, and the final battle was certainly flawed, I really did like the idea that someone can do something just because they are good.

I think it showed that people really like superheroes who are good people.  That's not boring; that's iconic and can be uplifting.


Historically-speaking, Marvel has been more successful because of its flawed heroes and (comic book) realism.  In the Golden Age, Superman would lift up a building and the bottom would be flat.  Marvel came in and when the Hulk would lift a building, there'd be broken pipes, water mains, and electricity sparking.  (The case can be made DC's bad guys are written better, but that's another conversation.)  I'm a first-class Marvel fanboy.  I worked in a comic book store in the 80's.  I watched Wonder Woman a few weeks ago, and loved it.  Maybe nowadays we just need heroes who are good for the sake of being good.

(Spiderman Homecoming did this well too, as far as the hero just wanting to do the right thing without selfish motivation or trying to fix some historical wrong.)
 
2017-09-29 10:50:19 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: [img.fark.net image 500x281]
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mesmerizing.
 
KIA
2017-09-30 07:45:43 AM  

skyotter: HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!


You leave me and Gal and her lasso and our 5 tubes of lube and gallon of gatorade out of this!!!
 
2017-09-30 09:40:50 AM  

Ed Grubermann: josephina: He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.

*psst*! You can say "ass" here. Hell, we don't even mind "arse". And if you're really daring, you can say "bum"! Insane! I know!


Semprini?
 
2017-09-30 10:26:37 AM  

peterthx: Mugato: peterthx: cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.

I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.

Never criticize a rich person's work, cefm. They are your betters. Your betters!

More like he and his millions of fans don't give a shiat.


In the end, a director or other artistic Creator is remembered most for their most recent work before they stopped. That last work is usually considered a bookend to their greatest success. If they make a great piece of work early in their career and go out on top then that is what they remembered for. If they make great works early on and then Peter out then the lasting remembrance of your career is " what happened?"

Sometimes you have to know when to pull a Jerry Seinfeld and quit while you're on top.
 
2017-09-30 02:09:41 PM  

foo monkey: RyansPrivates: skyotter: She was heroic, with no motivation other than wanting to do what's right.

She wasn't trying to atone for her past, like Iron Man or Black Widow.  She wasn't trying to avenge loved ones, like Batman or the Punisher or Black Panther.  She wasn't trying to protect her private life, like Spider-Man.  She wasn't making a mess to save a best friend, like Captain America.

She simply saw people in danger, and wanted to help them.

I think that's worth a lot in today's superhero genre.  :)

Yeah, that was the one thing I think this movie did better than any superhero movie since Superman: The Movie.  While it wasn't perfect, and the final battle was certainly flawed, I really did like the idea that someone can do something just because they are good.

I think it showed that people really like superheroes who are good people.  That's not boring; that's iconic and can be uplifting.

Historically-speaking, Marvel has been more successful because of its flawed heroes and (comic book) realism.  In the Golden Age, Superman would lift up a building and the bottom would be flat.  Marvel came in and when the Hulk would lift a building, there'd be broken pipes, water mains, and electricity sparking.  (The case can be made DC's bad guys are written better, but that's another conversation.)  I'm a first-class Marvel fanboy.  I worked in a comic book store in the 80's.  I watched Wonder Woman a few weeks ago, and loved it.  Maybe nowadays we just need heroes who are good for the sake of being good.

(Spiderman Homecoming did this well too, as far as the hero just wanting to do the right thing without selfish motivation or trying to fix some historical wrong.)


+100%.  I'm more on the DC side, but yeah I think we are entering a cycle where "realism fatigue" (if that's even a thing) is setting.  Escapism is back, and I think people are craving that shining beacon on the hill type thing.

So, for example, I watched the Punisher trailer.  At first I was really stoked, then i showed my wife and I started to think "damn that looks too gritty and dark, with all that I see in the news everyday, I think i'd rather see something more like Flash and Supergirl are doing on the small screen."

Funny thing, being a DC guy there were 3 comics I read from marvel growing up: Cap, Hulk, and Spidey.  My favorite of the 3 was actually Cap.

(Side note: I kind of agree on the villain side but DC hasn't done right by their villains for the most part in live action.  Wilson Fisk/Kingpin and Killgrave were done exceptionally well by Marvel on Netflix, though.  Especially Wilson Fisk)
 
2017-09-30 02:21:34 PM  

Chris Ween: tin_man: Chris Ween: Rose threw the diamond in the Atlantic! What the f*ck, Camaeron?  I guess she was a strong female character when she killed Jack, so we have that.

And then pined for him for the rest of her life, while letting some other poor sap provide for her under the guise of love.

She is as bad as Jenny from Forrest Gump...who grew up to be Wonder Woman's aunt who taught her to fight.  OMG it all makes sense now.


MIND BLOWN
 
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