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(Variety)   Lynda Carter to James Cameron: "STOP dissing WW. You poor soul. Perhaps you do not understand the character. I most certainly do. Like all women--we are more than the sum of our parts...This movie was spot on. Gal Gadot was great"   ( variety.com) divider line
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2017-09-28 11:54:41 PM  
Bobbie Jo and the Outlaw was a great movie
 
2017-09-29 02:21:36 AM  
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2017-09-29 03:12:40 AM  
I enjoyed Wonder Woman. Which is a nice change of pace from recent DC movies.
 
2017-09-29 04:02:49 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: img.fark.net
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Models cosplaying action heroes!  Hell yea!!  #feminism #gurlpower #killallmen
 
2017-09-29 05:46:25 AM  

Mike_LowELL: rzrwiresunrise: img.fark.net
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Models cosplaying action heroes!  Hell yea!!  #feminism #gurlpower #killallmen


Because males who play action heroes never mod...

*checks username*

Nevermind.
 
2017-09-29 05:47:38 AM  
What not enough giant blue Smurfs in it for him?
 
2017-09-29 05:49:49 AM  
Anyone who says it's more than the sum of its parts, just has poor part accounting.
 
2017-09-29 05:55:09 AM  

EvilEgg: Anyone who says it's more than the sum of its parts, just has poor part accounting.


Counterpoint: the parts are very, very nice.
 
2017-09-29 05:57:00 AM  

Summoner101: Because males who play action heroes never mod...


I dunno, I mod, all the time, when I am designing the Peter Griffin mod for Supreme Commander.  "Remember that one time I used nuclear weapons on the neighbors?"  And then BOOM, game over, I'm the best.

The point I'm making is that Gal Gadot sucks at both the nuclear weapons and the martial arts.  (Which is weird on both counts, since she's Israeli.)  If a male model sucks at the martial arts, like when Vince McMahon gets his roided-out bodybuilder types to fake wrestle, then I will call them out, and that's when Steven Seagal will be like, "Don't mess with Mike, he's a bad dude."

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Lynda Carter and Gal Gadot have never thrown a punch in their lives, and can't be taught to do it, and can't pretend to do it, so they shouldn't be doing it.  Still though, I think we can agree that we DO need to kill all of the men.  Whatever the male equivalent of cooties is, men have it, and it's a threat to us all.
 
2017-09-29 06:11:35 AM  
Lornette "Mace" Mason in "Strange Days" > Wonder Woman
 
2017-09-29 06:14:01 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Summoner101: Because males who play action heroes never mod...

I dunno, I mod, all the time, when I am designing the Peter Griffin mod for Supreme Commander.  "Remember that one time I used nuclear weapons on the neighbors?"  And then BOOM, game over, I'm the best.

The point I'm making is that Gal Gadot sucks at both the nuclear weapons and the martial arts.  (Which is weird on both counts, since she's Israeli.)  If a male model sucks at the martial arts, like when Vince McMahon gets his roided-out bodybuilder types to fake wrestle, then I will call them out, and that's when Steven Seagal will be like, "Don't mess with Mike, he's a bad dude."

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Lynda Carter and Gal Gadot have never thrown a punch in their lives, and can't be taught to do it, and can't pretend to do it, so they shouldn't be doing it.  Still though, I think we can agree that we DO need to kill all of the men.  Whatever the male equivalent of cooties is, men have it, and it's a threat to us all.


Try decaf.
 
2017-09-29 06:16:14 AM  

paradroid: Lornette "Mace" Mason in "Strange Days" > Wonder Woman


I love that movie... she was tough as nails in that movie.
 
2017-09-29 06:21:44 AM  
He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.
 
2017-09-29 06:22:50 AM  
Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.
 
2017-09-29 06:25:52 AM  

Summoner101: Mike_LowELL: rzrwiresunrise: img.fark.net
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Models cosplaying action heroes!  Hell yea!!  #feminism #gurlpower #killallmen

Because males who play action heroes never mod...

*checks username*

Nevermind.


He really is the best kind of troll.
 
2017-09-29 06:26:36 AM  
I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.
 
2017-09-29 06:34:59 AM  

josephina: He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.


*psst*! You can say "ass" here. Hell, we don't even mind "arse". And if you're really daring, you can say "bum"! Insane! I know!
 
2017-09-29 06:35:45 AM  

ol' gormsby: Try decaf.


We're on a shiatpost with NO BRAKESS
 
2017-09-29 06:35:56 AM  

JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.


She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.
 
2017-09-29 06:36:16 AM  
Our collective response to this tool should be in its entirety: huh.
 
2017-09-29 06:38:20 AM  

Mike_LowELL: rzrwiresunrise: img.fark.net
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Easy there, Bahar Mustafa.
 
2017-09-29 06:41:13 AM  
It did seem incredibly petty at the time, when he made those comments. T2 was on the other day, and in context to those comments, i was looking for something in depth about Sarah Connor.... What? She does chin-ups in jail?  That makes her some heroine or something?
 
2017-09-29 06:42:27 AM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


I'm always a bit puzzled by people that post things that are almost explicitly "everyone who knows about movies professionally always disagrees with me" in these threads.

I mean, you seem to be under the impression that you just said that you have some special insight from the tone, but the actual literal meaning of what you're saying is that you willfully and intentionally make decisions regarding your media consumption that you know to be bad choices.

... which, don't get me wrong, you're allowed to do, it's your time and money.  I'm just unsure what value you think sharing the fact that you know your taste in films is bad and are doubling down on it instead of questioning why has to other people.
 
2017-09-29 06:42:38 AM  
It was fine. Better than the bad Marvel/DC movies, worse than the good ones. Seems like an awful lot of brouhaha over an adequate movie, if you ask me.
 
2017-09-29 06:43:22 AM  
I enjoyed Wonder Woman, but I found I had the hawts for Hiposomethingorother. I think Robin Wright played her, and to be fair the other older ladies were sexy af too. Wonder Woman was just ok, so I missed Cameron's reasoning that she was some kind of sex symbol. I've seen sexier at the mall. And man, her knees...
 
2017-09-29 06:45:13 AM  

EvilEgg: Anyone who says it's more than the sum of its parts, just has poor part accounting.


Or they are a biologist:

Emergent Property:  any unique property that "emerges" when component objects are joined together in constraining relations to "construct" a higher-level aggregate object, a novel property that unpredictably comes from a combination of two simpler constituents.
 
2017-09-29 06:58:14 AM  

VTGremlin: It was fine. Better than the bad Marvel/DC movies, worse than the good ones. Seems like an awful lot of brouhaha over an adequate movie, if you ask me.


It's one of the most popular characters in comics, and one that historically has never been successfully ported over to the movie format before.

The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it) being unambiguously worthwhile in monetary terms and the entire line being an unmitigated disaster in critical terms.  For the people that like the DC characters and want to see more of them made into movies while the comic-book-movie fad is still a thing, WW being pretty good basically just salvaged what had begun looking like a pretty small chance of that happening.

As far as "brouhaha"... there really isn't any.  Cameron is intentionally starting shiat because he's an aging douchebag who is really insecure about his declining reputation (and about the cause of that decline... that he hasn't written anything considered well-written since 1997 and hasn't been involved in a movie considered good on any level since 2009).  He's lashing out at basically anything high-profile enough to get his name back into the headlines so that he can see his name in the entertainment section and finally get an erection again.  I doubt there's much actual malice in it or honestly that he even believes that complete bullshiat about Connor being a better character than Diana.  He's an old man yelling at teenagers about getting off his lawn: it's not about the lawn, it's about how even his children never call him anymore and at least the cops have to listen to him talk.
 
2017-09-29 06:59:25 AM  
Rose threw the diamond in the Atlantic! What the f*ck, Camaeron?  I guess she was a strong female character when she killed Jack, so we have that.
 
2017-09-29 07:00:54 AM  
Also, I'm glad James Cameron is back in the news.  He probably isn't here to hawk any new Terminator movies.  I'm sure this is his sincere opinion.  Oh, he is working on a new Terminator Trilogy?  I'm shocked that he is out there drumming up outrage and controversy.
 
2017-09-29 07:17:00 AM  
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2017-09-29 07:21:46 AM  

Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.


I want to bang your aunt
 
2017-09-29 07:26:01 AM  
I wouldn't mind superhero movies with heroes who are overweight or scrawny and don't seem to know how to fight.  When you are strong enough to pick up and throw a car then it would be like a normal person living on the moon.  Atrophy is going to happen unless you set up a gym where you can regularly lift weights that challenge your strength.  Clark Kent's real disguise should have been that he looked positively anorexic and his superman costume was padded.

Highly skilled humans need to look buff.  Super beings don't.

That all said I still haven't seen WW although I own it.  And I haven't read any of the rants Cameron has made yet.  So in this I have proven myself to be a true Farker.
 
2017-09-29 07:27:05 AM  

Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.


Updates farky....
 
2017-09-29 07:27:59 AM  

Ed Grubermann: josephina: He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.

*psst*! You can say "ass" here. Hell, we don't even mind "arse". And if you're really daring, you can say "bum"! Insane! I know!


Reported.
 
2017-09-29 07:30:47 AM  
James Cameron is just trolling because Space Smurfs is no longer the biggest picture EVER. Stop feeding him, Lynda.

/and you are spot on right,Lynda
 
2017-09-29 07:42:20 AM  

Chris Ween: Rose threw the diamond in the Atlantic! What the f*ck, Camaeron?  I guess she was a strong female character when she killed Jack, so we have that.


And then pined for him for the rest of her life, while letting some other poor sap provide for her under the guise of love.
 
2017-09-29 07:54:39 AM  

Noah_Tall: I wouldn't mind superhero movies with heroes who are overweight or scrawny and don't seem to know how to fight. When you are strong enough to pick up and throw a car then it would be like a normal person living on the moon. Atrophy is going to happen unless you set up a gym where you can regularly lift weights that challenge your strength. Clark Kent's real disguise should have been that he looked positively anorexic and his superman costume was padded.

Highly skilled humans need to look buff. Super beings don't.


To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Wonder Woman. The storytelling is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of third-wave feminism most of the misogyny will go over a typical viewers head. There's also Diana's positive outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterisation- her personal philosophy draws heavily from Anita Sarkeesian, for instance.  The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the matriarchy, to realise that they're not just feminists- they say something deep about LIFE.  As a consequence people who dislike Wonder Woman truly ARE misogynists- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the submissive undertones of Diana's lasso, which itself is a cryptic reference to Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Patty Jenkin's genius wit unfolds itself on their movie screens.  What fools.. how I pity them. And yes, by the way, i DO have a Wonder Woman tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably higher) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
 
2017-09-29 07:54:57 AM  
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Feminism has a sponsor now and don't you forget it.

That means it's real for all you old farts out there who keep yelling at me to get off of your lawn.
 
2017-09-29 08:01:06 AM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


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2017-09-29 08:06:12 AM  
Can't wait to hear what James Cameron thinks of Alicia Vikander as Lara Croft. /sarcasm

IMHO, one of the reasons WW resonated so much with women: Here was a female character that just did, because it never occurs to her that she can't, or shouldn't. I think there's probably very few women who would give much of a shiat about the realism of fighting scenes in that context.

Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.
 
2017-09-29 08:12:21 AM  

Lydia_C: Can't wait to hear what James Cameron thinks of Alicia Vikander as Lara Croft. /sarcasm

IMHO, one of the reasons WW resonated so much with women: Here was a female character that just did, because it never occurs to her that she can't, or shouldn't. I think there's probably very few women who would give much of a shiat about the realism of fighting scenes in that context.

Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.


That is part of it. Also, she was smart, witty and willing to not only learn and experience, but take chances. Robin Wright as Antiope was my favorite - sharp, quick, lethal, and committed. These are women who, as you say, DO, instead of worry that they'll get smacked down for trying. Or that they need men to make them whole.

Most DC movies leave me rolling my eyes or going "meh" (even Suicide Squad, while it had some fun moments, lost me with that nonsense with the villain. It was OK through the set-up) and this one had me going "Now, that was fun! Not to mention, Professor Lupin was the baddie!"
 
2017-09-29 08:21:21 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Noah_Tall: I wouldn't mind superhero movies with heroes who are overweight or scrawny and don't seem to know how to fight. When you are strong enough to pick up and throw a car then it would be like a normal person living on the moon. Atrophy is going to happen unless you set up a gym where you can regularly lift weights that challenge your strength. Clark Kent's real disguise should have been that he looked positively anorexic and his superman costume was padded.

Highly skilled humans need to look buff. Super beings don't.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Wonder Woman. The storytelling is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of third-wave feminism most of the misogyny will go over a typical viewers head. There's also Diana's positive outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterisation- her personal philosophy draws heavily from Anita Sarkeesian, for instance.  The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the matriarchy, to realise that they're not just feminists- they say something deep about LIFE.  As a consequence people who dislike Wonder Woman truly ARE misogynists- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the submissive undertones of Diana's lasso, which itself is a cryptic reference to Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Patty Jenkin's genius wit unfolds itself on their movie screens.  What fools.. how I pity them. And yes, by the way, i DO have a Wonder Woman tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably higher) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.


Pace yourself. I've got a feeling it's going to be a long day.
 
2017-09-29 08:25:07 AM  

Cthulhukefka: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

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I love that gif, it looks like a glimpse of the real Gal having a fun moment in her life.

It often seems that actors and actress are never "off the clock" so you can never tell when they are truly being themselves when out in public.
 
2017-09-29 08:30:22 AM  

dennysgod: Cthulhukefka: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

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I love that gif, it looks like a glimpse of the real Gal having a fun moment in her life.

It often seems that actors and actress are never "off the clock" so you can never tell when they are truly being themselves when out in public.


There's also stuff like this

Gal Gadot comforts young Wonder Woman fan at Comic Con 2017
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The more you see her out of character the more you realize how perfect she is for the role.
 
2017-09-29 08:35:40 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: James Cameron is just trolling because Space Smurfs is no longer the biggest picture EVER. Stop feeding him, Lynda.

/and you are spot on right,Lynda


Wut? LOL!
 
2017-09-29 08:36:28 AM  

Lydia_C: Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.


Convincing =/= realistic.  John Wick is not realistic, but it's awesome, and therefore convincing.

And yes, I am an expert on the martial arts, I have been thrown out of women's self-defense seminars on multiple occasions, for being a man.  Total misandry, if you ask me.
 
2017-09-29 08:38:11 AM  

foo monkey: Pace yourself. I've got a feeling it's going to be a long day.


The terms of my contract are pretty complicated, but I'm getting double bonus points for double XP right now.  I gotta make my posts count.

No matter anyway, I'll be asleep in about thirty minutes.  Driving to work in a second.
 
2017-09-29 09:06:13 AM  
They are both strong and powerful women.  But there are differences.

Diana Prince has been trained since birth to be a warrior.  Add to that the fact that she is also a demi-god and that ups her powers exponentially.  However, up until the final battle.  All of her fights are against normal, mortal men so it's not really a fair fight.  Sure we've got the added firepower when she's charging towards the German trenches.  But at the same time.  Demi-god.

Sarah Connor is a nobody.  No training, no survival skills at all and we get to see her learn and grow into a fierce warrior.  She's also fighting against a killer robot the entire time.  Something that outmatches her in every way.  Yet she succeeds in the end.

Thing is though.  Diana doesn't need Steve Trevor and his team to succeed.  She just needs them to point her in the right direction.  They helped in battles.  But were pretty insignificant when push came to shove.  Sarah Connor would not have survived without Kyle Reese in T1 and the The Terminator in T2.  She needed the men to survive.

And when it comes down to getting people in the seats for the movies.  People went to see the Terminator movies because of Arnold and once we knew the story, fighting killer robots.  People went to see Wonder Woman because of Wonder Woman.  Hell it's in the names.  One movie is named after the strong female protagonist.  The other is named for the strong male character.
 
2017-09-29 09:13:06 AM  
Eh, the villains were underdeveloped, but that's to be expected in an origin movie.
 
2017-09-29 09:19:08 AM  

Lydia_C: Can't wait to hear what James Cameron thinks of Alicia Vikander as Lara Croft. /sarcasm

IMHO, one of the reasons WW resonated so much with women: Here was a female character that just did, because it never occurs to her that she can't, or shouldn't. I think there's probably very few women who would give much of a shiat about the realism of fighting scenes in that context.

Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.


This, dammit.

I think I earn most of my misogyny points for being pissed when they make a movie where they tell, not show. I really don't like when they make a character that is SUPPOSEDLY awesome and the best ever but you never see any evidence of that. Is there a meta gyno Miles Gloriosus?
 
2017-09-29 09:19:32 AM  

tin_man: Chris Ween: Rose threw the diamond in the Atlantic! What the f*ck, Camaeron?  I guess she was a strong female character when she killed Jack, so we have that.

And then pined for him for the rest of her life, while letting some other poor sap provide for her under the guise of love.


She is as bad as Jenny from Forrest Gump...who grew up to be Wonder Woman's aunt who taught her to fight.  OMG it all makes sense now.
 
2017-09-29 09:23:48 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Eh, the villains were underdeveloped, but that's to be expected in an origin movie.


Prior to them dropping the ball in the last ten minutes of the movie, something I assume from the sudden shift in the writing and action composition to be mostly Zach Snyder's fault, the moral of the story was clearly supposed to be that there wasn't a villain.  That war was just part of human nature, that we have to gradually overcome by putting in the work and effort to make ourselves better and thinking about what causes we're willing to dedicate our lives to a bit more carefully.

I mean... basically everything was leading up to that, starting with setting it in WW1 (which was a war with basically that exact moral, no winners and everyone lost).  The on-screen villain was blatantly just, y'know, a military officer, who would be replaced immediately if he was removed.  All the dog-kicking and moustache-twirling tacked on after the fact clearly was tacked on after the fact, since the bulk of the writing didn't really match up with him being a supervillain.
 
2017-09-29 09:28:45 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Noah_Tall: I wouldn't mind superhero movies with heroes who are overweight or scrawny and don't seem to know how to fight. When you are strong enough to pick up and throw a car then it would be like a normal person living on the moon. Atrophy is going to happen unless you set up a gym where you can regularly lift weights that challenge your strength. Clark Kent's real disguise should have been that he looked positively anorexic and his superman costume was padded.

Highly skilled humans need to look buff. Super beings don't.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Wonder Woman. The storytelling is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of third-wave feminism most of the misogyny will go over a typical viewers head. There's also Diana's positive outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterisation- her personal philosophy draws heavily from Anita Sarkeesian, for instance.  The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the matriarchy, to realise that they're not just feminists- they say something deep about LIFE.  As a consequence people who dislike Wonder Woman truly ARE misogynists- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the submissive undertones of Diana's lasso, which itself is a cryptic reference to Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Patty Jenkin's genius wit unfolds itself on their movie screens.  What fools.. how I pity them. And yes, by the way, i DO have a Wonder Woman tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably higher) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.


Wonder Woman's lasso is actually a reference to the lie detector invented by Wonder Woman's creator.

And incidently, if you want actual feminist role models, Professor Marsden and the Wonder Women provides better ones than either the Terminator movies or Wonder Woman.
 
2017-09-29 09:29:56 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Eh, the villains were underdeveloped, but that's to be expected in an origin movie.


I was angry about three things in Wonder Woman.

1) That the villain turned out to be a single individual instead of the dark impulses that are in all of us.
2) She never did the spin.
3) My wife won't dress up as Wonder Woman for me.

In increasing order of importance, of course.
 
2017-09-29 09:32:55 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Tyrone Slothrop: Eh, the villains were underdeveloped, but that's to be expected in an origin movie.

I was angry about three things in Wonder Woman.

1) That the villain turned out to be a single individual instead of the dark impulses that are in all of us.
2) She never did the spin.
3) My wife won't dress up as Wonder Woman for me.

In increasing order of importance, of course.


Weird.  She dresses up for me.
 
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2017-09-29 09:38:00 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Tyrone Slothrop: Eh, the villains were underdeveloped, but that's to be expected in an origin movie.

Prior to them dropping the ball in the last ten minutes of the movie, something I assume from the sudden shift in the writing and action composition to be mostly Zach Snyder's fault, the moral of the story was clearly supposed to be that there wasn't a villain.  That war was just part of human nature, that we have to gradually overcome by putting in the work and effort to make ourselves better and thinking about what causes we're willing to dedicate our lives to a bit more carefully.

I mean... basically everything was leading up to that, starting with setting it in WW1 (which was a war with basically that exact moral, no winners and everyone lost).  The on-screen villain was blatantly just, y'know, a military officer, who would be replaced immediately if he was removed.  All the dog-kicking and moustache-twirling tacked on after the fact clearly was tacked on after the fact, since the bulk of the writing didn't really match up with him being a supervillain.


Readers and viewers like problems with simple solutions, a clean feel-good action that solves everything and gives them the payoff from their time and attention.  If you slap them in the face and tell them that humans are stupid and violent and willfully ignorant, refusing to learn from history and wisdom, and they always will be despite everyone's best efforts, that's not really the upbeat type of ending that sells movies and comic books.  The audience that would target would basically be... goths and mopers and people who suffer from depression and seek validation.

Let's face it: if people want a classic tragedy or a work of Russian philosophy, then they will go seek that out.  If they want a superhero movie, they want a win.
 
2017-09-29 09:41:45 AM  
Someone forgot to lock up Mike_LowELL's medicine cabinet.

I love it.
 
2017-09-29 09:42:57 AM  

Mike_LowELL: John Wick is not realistic


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John Wick, the Accountant, and Leon are in a fight to the death. Discuss.

Also, I enjoyed WW much more than I thought I would. There wasn't anything really super special about the movie (not talking about behind the scenes implications with women, etc.) and was another superhero origin story, but it was really well done. When it comes up for rent I'd watch it again.
 
2017-09-29 09:49:10 AM  

Jim_Callahan: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

I'm always a bit puzzled by people that post things that are almost explicitly "everyone who knows about movies professionally always disagrees with me" in these threads.

I mean, you seem to be under the impression that you just said that you have some special insight from the tone, but the actual literal meaning of what you're saying is that you willfully and intentionally make decisions regarding your media consumption that you know to be bad choices.

... which, don't get me wrong, you're allowed to do, it's your time and money.  I'm just unsure what value you think sharing the fact that you know your taste in films is bad and are doubling down on it instead of questioning why has to other people.


I don't think even Freud could have unthreaded my post and reach the same conclusion you did.
I stated that movies that people "don't get" for reason A or B tend to be weak in general.
Regardless, in this case, it was touted by everyone for the "strong female role", an attribute typically reserved for Oscar-winning actresses. Any review that disparaged the movie was met with claims of sexism or lack of understanding.
Again, thigs that make a movie typically crap.

/TLDR: it sucks cuz I said it does.
 
2017-09-29 09:49:46 AM  
Wasn't the entire character of Wonder Woman invented partly as some guy's bondage fetish?
It was a decent movie and Gal Gadot played the part well, but how does it champion feminism any more than other movies with a female lead? It was the first to do...nothing.
 
2017-09-29 09:51:12 AM  

foo monkey: I May Be Crazy But...: Tyrone Slothrop: Eh, the villains were underdeveloped, but that's to be expected in an origin movie.

I was angry about three things in Wonder Woman.

1) That the villain turned out to be a single individual instead of the dark impulses that are in all of us.
2) She never did the spin.
3) My wife won't dress up as Wonder Woman for me.

In increasing order of importance, of course.

Weird.  She dresses up for me.


How does she keep her chestplace/bustier up?
 
2017-09-29 09:52:34 AM  
I thought it was a fine retelling of The Fifth Element. Can't we just leave it at that?
 
2017-09-29 10:01:28 AM  

JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.


She's only 66, but by the looks of this line she might be 70 by the time it's your turn.
 
2017-09-29 10:08:10 AM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


Most people liked it and it was a nice movie.  Don't watch it or watch it, whatever, but it was a fun movie and way better than what DC has been putting out lately.

And it's true that there's more than one way to be a strong female character which is the original issue at hand.  If that's a turnoff for watching a movie that's a weird personal problem.
 
2017-09-29 10:11:03 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I dunno, I mod, all the time, when I am designing the Peter Griffin mod for Supreme Commander.  "Remember that one time I used nuclear weapons on the neighbors?"  And then BOOM, game over, I'm the best.

The point I'm making is that Gal Gadot sucks at both the nuclear weapons and the martial arts.  (Which is weird on both counts, since she's Israeli.)  If a male model sucks at the martial arts, like when Vince McMahon gets his roided-out bodybuilder types to fake wrestle, then I will call them out, and that's when Steven Seagal will be like, "Don't mess with Mike, he's a bad dude."

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Lynda Carter and Gal Gadot have never thrown a punch in their lives, and can't be taught to do it, and can't pretend to do it, so they shouldn't be doing it.  Still though, I think we can agree that we DO need to kill all of the men.  Whatever the male equivalent of cooties is, men have it, and it's a threat to us all.


What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard....[billymadison.jpg]
 
2017-09-29 10:28:45 AM  

Fano: Lydia_C: Can't wait to hear what James Cameron thinks of Alicia Vikander as Lara Croft. /sarcasm

IMHO, one of the reasons WW resonated so much with women: Here was a female character that just did, because it never occurs to her that she can't, or shouldn't. I think there's probably very few women who would give much of a shiat about the realism of fighting scenes in that context.

Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.

This, dammit.

I think I earn most of my misogyny points for being pissed when they make a movie where they tell, not show. I really don't like when they make a character that is SUPPOSEDLY awesome and the best ever but you never see any evidence of that. Is there a meta gyno Miles Gloriosus?


That's what made Furiosa so awesome.  Joe gave her an important position and she spent the next 100 minutes showing you why.
 
2017-09-29 10:35:53 AM  
I just found it really distracting that her height changes throughout the movie. Sometimes she's taller than Steve. Sometimes she's shorter than Steve. Sometimes they're the same height.

For the record, she should be taller than Steve all the time. Bigger, too.
 
2017-09-29 10:40:52 AM  
Good for Lynda. Some actors who were the original characters are snarky about their replacements. And Cameron is just a clueless dick. T1 and T2 was great. True Lies was fun I suppose. Everything else looked great but the screenplays mostly sucked. .

And stop bathing everything in blue light.
 
2017-09-29 10:41:07 AM  
Isn't this Cameron the same one who remade "Dances with Wolves" using blue Indians?
 
2017-09-29 10:46:19 AM  

foo monkey: I May Be Crazy But...: Tyrone Slothrop: Eh, the villains were underdeveloped, but that's to be expected in an origin movie.

I was angry about three things in Wonder Woman.

1) That the villain turned out to be a single individual instead of the dark impulses that are in all of us.
2) She never did the spin.
3) My wife won't dress up as Wonder Woman for me.

In increasing order of importance, of course.

Weird.  She dresses up for me.


he said "his wife"not your mom
 
2017-09-29 10:51:02 AM  

josephina: He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.


The first thing I look for in my demigod based superheroes is realism.
 
2017-09-29 10:52:07 AM  

EmptyCup: Mike_LowELL: John Wick is not realistic

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John Wick, the Accountant, and Leon are in a fight to the death. Discuss.

Also, I enjoyed WW much more than I thought I would. There wasn't anything really super special about the movie (not talking about behind the scenes implications with women, etc.) and was another superhero origin story, but it was really well done. When it comes up for rent I'd watch it again.


Leon.  He knew about the fight ahead of time and blew that shiat up, not even bothering to show up.
 
2017-09-29 10:52:43 AM  
"Avatar 2" will feature a character in a red / white / blue outfit and a gold tiara. Cameron will insist he thought of that idea back in 1823, and get irate when anyone suggests it's less-than-original.
 
kab
2017-09-29 10:53:30 AM  
He's not completely wrong, just mostly wrong.   Sarah Conner is an interesting character in her own right, but doesn't really work as a god-descendant-superhero.   Apples, oranges, etc.

Did he have this same sorrt of complaint about 300, Captain America, Thor, etc?    I'll bet he didn't.

/WW was a good superhero flick for the most part, better than some other recent ones
//GG is Audrey Hepburn-level beautiful.
 
2017-09-29 10:53:37 AM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: Isn't this Cameron the same one who remade "Dances with Wolves" using blue Indians?


I thought it was a remake of "Ferngully".
 
2017-09-29 10:56:25 AM  
My ex mother-in-law used to tell a story about Lynda Carter approaching her husband at the time (the 1970s) and flirting with him. He indicated he was married. She said she was famous and certainly more interesting than his wife, and persisted in trying to come back to her room. Then his wife-- who happened to be the bartender at the place and had been standing there listening to the whole thing-- told Lynda Carter to stop trying to f*ck other womens' husbands. Lynda replied that she didn't really have to try.

So I'll take Lynda's opinions on social/moral issues with a grain of salt. I'm sure she has grown up a bit since the 1970s, but she still shouldn't be picking up any rocks to throw from one glass house to the next... not without knowing for sure if she's still inside her own.
 
kab
2017-09-29 10:58:54 AM  

WilderKWight: I just found it really distracting that her height changes throughout the movie. Sometimes she's taller than Steve. Sometimes she's shorter than Steve. Sometimes they're the same height.

For the record, she should be taller than Steve all the time. Bigger, too.


I never picked up on that.    Her magically appearing sword annoyed the hell out of me though, and her "why I fight" statement at the end of the movie.....

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2017-09-29 11:00:20 AM  

Flappyhead: Fano: Lydia_C: Can't wait to hear what James Cameron thinks of Alicia Vikander as Lara Croft. /sarcasm

IMHO, one of the reasons WW resonated so much with women: Here was a female character that just did, because it never occurs to her that she can't, or shouldn't. I think there's probably very few women who would give much of a shiat about the realism of fighting scenes in that context.

Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.

This, dammit.

I think I earn most of my misogyny points for being pissed when they make a movie where they tell, not show. I really don't like when they make a character that is SUPPOSEDLY awesome and the best ever but you never see any evidence of that. Is there a meta gyno Miles Gloriosus?

That's what made Furiosa so awesome.  Joe gave her an important position and she spent the next 100 minutes showing you why.


No doubt. I feel like Fury Road was a massive step forward in terms of a female protagonist. Detractors can point to a cliche story but it's in all the details, like Max being unable to take the rifle shot but being a rest for Furiosa to take the shot.
You didn't see all the badass things she must have done to become a general, but they didn't tell either, you could just imagine because she was otherwise so badass.
It was a masterpiece of characterization, especially compared to how it normally plays out- in an ordinary Hollywood movie she would have the same position, but Max would have done all the heavy lifting and she would have had some girl to fight while he beat up all the guys and despite SAYING all the proud warrior woman talk her giny would eventually tingle at the thought of Max and she'd get all weepy as he kissed as he walked away to save another town.
 
2017-09-29 11:03:26 AM  

BadReligion: I enjoyed Wonder Woman. Which is a nice change of pace from recent DC movies.


I enjoyed Wonder Woman as well. I thought it was a decent movie.

Not quite the amazing, groundbreaking, Academy Award winning masterpiece that some people would have you believe, however.
 
2017-09-29 11:06:20 AM  
William Marston was a Harvard graduate, a psychologist, inventer of the lie detector machine/test, a polyamorist, and a bondage lover. He invented Wonder Woman. Note all of the bondage in the comics and movies, also note how the lasso acts as a lie detector.

/The more you know...
 
2017-09-29 11:10:19 AM  

WilderKWight: My ex mother-in-law used to tell a story about Lynda Carter approaching her husband at the time (the 1970s) and flirting with him. He indicated he was married. She said she was famous and certainly more interesting than his wife, and persisted in trying to come back to her room. Then his wife-- who happened to be the bartender at the place and had been standing there listening to the whole thing-- told Lynda Carter to stop trying to f*ck other womens' husbands. Lynda replied that she didn't really have to try.

So I'll take Lynda's opinions on social/moral issues with a grain of salt. I'm sure she has grown up a bit since the 1970s, but she still shouldn't be picking up any rocks to throw from one glass house to the next... not without knowing for sure if she's still inside her own.


Carter isn't moralizing, she's telling an out of touch old man to STFU.
 
2017-09-29 11:10:22 AM  

WilderKWight: For the record, she should be taller than Steve all the time. Bigger, too.


I'm for consistent height.  But this complaint the she should be "bigger" i don't get.  Superhumans don't need to be bigger; they have genetic superirority.  In fact, one of my biggest complaints about the new superman is that he is too buff, almost musclebound.

So I look at Stephen Amell, and his physique makes sense.  Same with Grant Gustin as the flash (the dude is built like a runner).  For Superman, Christopher Reeve was a perfect physique: fit, strong, but not body builderish.  Chris Evens is right, too, considering the whole supersoldier thing. 

Now these physiques in film are different than they are in the comics, and I am ok with that because the comics are stylized.  Physiques built for war and fighting aren't the same as physiques built for "show" like you see in the comics (or in bodybuilding).  If you look at Wonder Woman and the scenese on themyscera, Diana's physique makes since.  Their training isn't strength training: it is agility and quick hits.  That lends itself to a wiry physique.
 
2017-09-29 11:16:11 AM  

Flappyhead: WilderKWight: My ex mother-in-law used to tell a story about Lynda Carter approaching her husband at the time (the 1970s) and flirting with him. He indicated he was married. She said she was famous and certainly more interesting than his wife, and persisted in trying to come back to her room. Then his wife-- who happened to be the bartender at the place and had been standing there listening to the whole thing-- told Lynda Carter to stop trying to f*ck other womens' husbands. Lynda replied that she didn't really have to try.

So I'll take Lynda's opinions on social/moral issues with a grain of salt. I'm sure she has grown up a bit since the 1970s, but she still shouldn't be picking up any rocks to throw from one glass house to the next... not without knowing for sure if she's still inside her own.

Carter isn't moralizing, she's telling an out of touch old man to STFU.


She's older than he is and pretty much only famous for being pretty. Clearly she must be full of better wisdom.
 
kab
2017-09-29 11:23:05 AM  
 
2017-09-29 11:27:09 AM  

Warrior Kermit: 2) She never did the spin.


You're kidding right?

I watched it for the first time last night (for various reasons couldn't get to the theater) and I thought the WWI stuff was fantastic. In fact I thought it was the best super hero movie I've seen in a long time. It was an origin story but her origin didn't seem like some exposition you have to sit through to get to the movie. My only complaint was that the ending was drawn out a bit but that seems to be true of almost every superhero movie now.

No it wasn't realistic. If Batman would stroll across No Man's Land I'd call bullshiat but they gave enough set up as for her weaponry/shielding and her being a demigod for my suspension of disbelief to be satisfied. I'd put it ahead of most of the Batman movies, most (if not all) of the Avengers movies and everything with Spider-Man and the X-Men in it.

And unlike a lot of movies with female protagonists, the male protagonist wasn't a bumbling idiot. That was refreshing.
 
2017-09-29 11:41:08 AM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.
 
2017-09-29 11:44:59 AM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


I for one am excited to rent this on Amazon on our basement system and have my daughter have a sleepover. DC got one right and hopefully it isn't the last. Probably time it for when I have Boy Scout camp with my son, the estrogen flowing in my house that weekend might cover everything in glitter and rainbows.
 
2017-09-29 11:49:31 AM  
Tricky Feat. John Frusciante & Flea - Wonder Woman (Subtitulado)
Youtube rAiVu3E23KI
 
2017-09-29 12:35:55 PM  

Flappyhead: dennysgod: Cthulhukefka: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

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I love that gif, it looks like a glimpse of the real Gal having a fun moment in her life.

It often seems that actors and actress are never "off the clock" so you can never tell when they are truly being themselves when out in public.

There's also stuff like this

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Pr-XZiaEDuY]

The more you see her out of character the more you realize how perfect she is.


Fixed.
 
2017-09-29 12:55:22 PM  
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No joke, this is from Avatar 2: Kiddy Smurfs

So who are they? Mostly a cast of unknowns and young actors who will play members of Jake Sully (Sam Worthington) and Neytiri's (Zoe Saldana) family, plus some from the Metkayina clan, who are ruled by Cliff Curtis' Tonowari and one from the human outpost of Hell's Gate. Shown left to right are: Duane Evans Jr (Rotxo of the Metkayina Clan), Britain Dalton (Lo'ak of the Sully Family), Filip Geljo (Aonung of the Metkayina Clan), Trinity Bliss (Tuktirey of the Sully Family), Bailey Bass (Tsireya of the Metkayina Clan), Jack Champion (Javier "Spider" Socorro), and Jamie Flatters (Neteyam of the Sully Family, standing).

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/avatar/avatar-sequels-first-look-​ne​w-young-cast/

I like James Cameron, but he should not speak so much.
 
2017-09-29 12:57:33 PM  

TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.


Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

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2017-09-29 01:01:33 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

[www.frockflicks.com image 600x898]


I'd like to pull that dress off, iykwimaityd.
 
2017-09-29 01:09:33 PM  

GungFu: No joke, this is from Avatar 2: Kiddy Smurfs


Yeah I'll be skipping the rest of the 15 Avatars. I saw it for the 3D before I hated 3D and the VFX was all it had going for it. Sam Worthington makes Channing Tatum look like Al Pacino after a couple 8 balls. And everything about the story's already been said.

To this day I can't explain how it became the #1 highest grossing movie of all time (not adjusting for inflation). Must have been the extra 3D fee.
 
2017-09-29 01:11:01 PM  

DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.

I want to bang your aunt


Okay....
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2017-09-29 01:13:34 PM  

Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.

I want to bang your aunt

Okay....
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Penis goes whar?
 
2017-09-29 01:19:52 PM  

Mugato: GungFu: No joke, this is from Avatar 2: Kiddy Smurfs

Yeah I'll be skipping the rest of the 15 Avatars. I saw it for the 3D before I hated 3D and the VFX was all it had going for it. Sam Worthington makes Channing Tatum look like Al Pacino after a couple 8 balls. And everything about the story's already been said.

To this day I can't explain how it became the #1 highest grossing movie of all time (not adjusting for inflation). Must have been the extra 3D fee.


There was also a very strategic marketing/release plan.  They hyped the living daylights out if it then dropped it in the movie equivalent of the Dead Zone.  It had zero competition and a full court press media assault.
 
2017-09-29 01:27:00 PM  

Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)


Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?
 
2017-09-29 01:28:03 PM  

Flappyhead: There was also a very strategic marketing/release plan.  They hyped the living daylights out if it then dropped it in the movie equivalent of the Dead Zone.  It had zero competition and a full court press media assault.


That's true, I remember it not having any competition. Cameron practically invented releasing summer blockbusters in the winter with Titanic. Too many movies being released in the summer nowadays. Too few good ones.
 
2017-09-29 01:28:17 PM  

Flappyhead: Mugato: GungFu: No joke, this is from Avatar 2: Kiddy Smurfs

Yeah I'll be skipping the rest of the 15 Avatars. I saw it for the 3D before I hated 3D and the VFX was all it had going for it. Sam Worthington makes Channing Tatum look like Al Pacino after a couple 8 balls. And everything about the story's already been said.

To this day I can't explain how it became the #1 highest grossing movie of all time (not adjusting for inflation). Must have been the extra 3D fee.

There was also a very strategic marketing/release plan.  They hyped the living daylights out if it then dropped it in the movie equivalent of the Dead Zone.  It had zero competition and a full court press media assault.


I haven't figured it out either. I saw it once and have never really had the motivation to watch it again; I even try to re-watch movies I hated just to see if I gave it a fair shake. Avatar was just "meh".

My wife loved the new exhibit at Disney, so I guess they've got that going for them...
 
2017-09-29 01:30:25 PM  

peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?


Not that version of The Joker.
 
2017-09-29 01:30:36 PM  

peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?


I think Harley Quinn is climbing the ladder.
 
2017-09-29 01:31:55 PM  

Mugato: peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?

I think Harley Quinn is climbing the ladder.


I'd like her to climb my ladder IYKWIMAITYD
 
2017-09-29 01:34:36 PM  

rummonkey: My wife loved the new exhibit at Disney, so I guess they've got that going for them...


It is pretty awesome. The lines were too long for the rides but the area itself is pretty amazing. Didn't make the movie any better but it captured everything good about it, the visuals.

It's like Harry Potter Land at Universal. I don't like or dislike Harry Potter but the Land was spectacular. I didn't know what anything was but it looked great.
 
2017-09-29 01:35:04 PM  

Mugato: peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?

I think Harley Quinn is climbing the ladder.


I'll be right behind her on that ladder...
 
2017-09-29 01:36:04 PM  

Mugato: rummonkey: My wife loved the new exhibit at Disney, so I guess they've got that going for them...

It is pretty awesome. The lines were too long for the rides but the area itself is pretty amazing. Didn't make the movie any better but it captured everything good about it, the visuals.

It's like Harry Potter Land at Universal. I don't like or dislike Harry Potter but the Land was spectacular. I didn't know what anything was but it looked great.


She had the disabled pass and was able to skip a lot of lines. It made the trip bearable for me and the little ones.
 
2017-09-29 01:39:50 PM  

GungFu: [www.kino.dk image 538x667]
No joke, this is from Avatar 2: Kiddy Smurfs

So who are they? Mostly a cast of unknowns and young actors who will play members of Jake Sully (Sam Worthington) and Neytiri's (Zoe Saldana) family, plus some from the Metkayina clan, who are ruled by Cliff Curtis' Tonowari and one from the human outpost of Hell's Gate. Shown left to right are: Duane Evans Jr (Rotxo of the Metkayina Clan), Britain Dalton (Lo'ak of the Sully Family), Filip Geljo (Aonung of the Metkayina Clan), Trinity Bliss (Tuktirey of the Sully Family), Bailey Bass (Tsireya of the Metkayina Clan), Jack Champion (Javier "Spider" Socorro), and Jamie Flatters (Neteyam of the Sully Family, standing).

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/avatar/avatar-sequels-first-look-ne​w-young-cast/

I like James Cameron, but he should not speak so much.


I get the feeling this is going to be really bad.
 
2017-09-29 01:40:01 PM  

Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.

I want to bang your aunt

Okay....

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2017-09-29 01:41:20 PM  

peterthx: Jim_Callahan: The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it)

Batman & Joker aren't valuable DC characters?


Less and less so, the longer they spend around Zach Snyder.
 
2017-09-29 01:44:05 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.

I want to bang your aunt

Okay....
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Thanks, now I have some 'splainin' to do at work. Purchasing isn't supposed to be funny.
 
2017-09-29 02:04:08 PM  
HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!
 
2017-09-29 02:07:48 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

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I'd like to pull that dress off.

/reported
 
2017-09-29 02:11:08 PM  
Cameron made some decent action films but WW is literally an icon and has been the idol o' millions of women and girls for decades. I guess he's just talking about this one movie and pretty much everyone likes Sarah Connor but the comparison seems petty and self-serving.
 
2017-09-29 02:18:56 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.

I want to bang your aunt

Okay....
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Comedy Gold!!
 
2017-09-29 02:36:04 PM  
Cameron's problem is that he keeps thinking its a zero sum game. Sarah Conor is a great character and Wonder Woman changes that in no way shape or form. I loved the first two Terminator movies. Because I loved Wonder Woman I did not leave the theater thinking, 'After seeing Wonder Woman I guess the Sarah Conor character really sucked."
 
2017-09-29 02:40:12 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

[www.frockflicks.com image 600x898]


Two possible responses come to mind:

A> He totally could, but he'd be thinking of Peggy and/or Sharon

or

B>  He totally could:

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2017-09-29 02:42:51 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

[www.frockflicks.com image 600x898]


I would be willing to die trying to pull off that dress. (respectfully and with her expressly granted permission, of course).
 
2017-09-29 03:11:43 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Ed Grubermann: DubyaHater: Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.
She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.
I want to bang your aunt
Okay....
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[img.fark.net image 500x616]


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2017-09-29 03:23:36 PM  

skyotter: HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!


Well you seem to be the first to mention it here.

Why don't you write a treatise on Spider-Man while you're at it, Dr. Freud?
 
2017-09-29 03:34:38 PM  
Actually, WW looking like she couldn't deliver a punch made sense to me, particularly with her growing up on an island of jacked up Amazons. Seriously, can you imagine trying to build muscle when pushing tens of tons worth of weight isn't going to make you sweat?
 
2017-09-29 03:35:42 PM  

Mugato: skyotter: HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!

Well you seem to be the first to mention it here.

Why don't you write a treatise on Spider-Man while you're at it, Dr. Freud?


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And in almost every issue, she is chained or tied up. This plot staple provoked debate from the start: opponents of comic books thought it smacked of sexual fetishism (and fetishists agreed). But whatever it represented in Marston's personal psychology, bondage was an obvious metaphor for the many ways in which women were collectively and individually constrained by law and "tied down" by marriage, domesticity, children, and all the rest of it. What marvels would women achieve if only they could set themselves free? The myth of the Amazons shows how close to the surface of even the most misogynistic societies-and ancient Greece definitely qualifies-is the idea that women are at least men's equals, and possibly even their superiors. Only relentless repression keeps them down. The myth shows, too, how threatening to men is the notion of a being who combines the strength, valor, and independence of the ideal man with the sexual allure and intuitive powers of the ideal woman. Marston was quite right to defend his bondage imagery from charges of sadism-there was no blood, no rape, no pain. Besides, Wonder Woman always escapes and wins the day.
 
2017-09-29 04:01:35 PM  

Nurglitch: Actually, WW looking like she couldn't deliver a punch made sense to me, particularly with her growing up on an island of jacked up Amazons. Seriously, can you imagine trying to build muscle when pushing tens of tons worth of weight isn't going to make you sweat?


No one whined that Christopher Reeve couldn't arm wrestle Tyrion.

Having someone who can lift a tank with arms like The Rock is just pointless.
 
2017-09-29 04:03:36 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Mugato: skyotter: HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!

Well you seem to be the first to mention it here.

Why don't you write a treatise on Spider-Man while you're at it, Dr. Freud?

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And in almost every issue, she is chained or tied up. This plot staple provoked debate from the start: opponents of comic books thought it smacked of sexual fetishism (and fetishists agreed). But whatever it represented in Marston's personal psychology, bondage was an obvious metaphor for the many ways in which women were collectively and individually constrained by law and "tied down" by marriage, domesticity, children, and all the rest of it. What marvels would women achieve if only they could set themselves free? The myth of the Amazons shows how close to the surface of even the most misogynistic societies-and ancient Greece definitely qualifies-is the idea that women are at least men's equals, and possibly even their superiors. Only relentless repression keeps them down. The myth shows, too, how threatening to men is the notion of a being who combines the strength, valor, and independence of the ideal man with the sexual allure and intuitive powers of the ideal woman. Marston was quite right to defend his bondage imagery from charges of sadism-there was no blood, no rape, no pain. Besides, Wonder Woman always escapes and wins the day.


I really can't believe that much thought was put into a lot of comic book characters, at least initially.
"How about...Squirrel Man? He's dresses like a squirrel and lives in a treehouse!"
 
2017-09-29 04:15:15 PM  

foo monkey: TNel: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Did you watch Captain America?  Well replace the male lead with a female lead and bam you now have WW.

Steve Rogers could never pull off this dress.

[www.frockflicks.com image 600x898]


Pfft. Says you.

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2017-09-29 04:37:15 PM  
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Most beautiful WW ever.
 
2017-09-29 05:10:33 PM  
James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.  He's turning into a bitter old man who is jealous of those who possess the creativity he once had.
 
2017-09-29 05:41:03 PM  

cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.


I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.
 
2017-09-29 06:11:40 PM  

peterthx: cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.

I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.


Never criticize a rich person's work, cefm. They are your betters. Your betters!
 
2017-09-29 06:12:13 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: James Cameron is just trolling because Space Smurfs is no longer the biggest picture EVER. Stop feeding him, Lynda.

/and you are spot on right,Lynda


I agree with you, and I will also never understand the love for the ridiculously high-budget Fern Gully. It was pretty, I grant you that, but the story was blah.
 
2017-09-29 06:49:24 PM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


Don't overthink it. The movie was fun and Gal Gadot is insanely hot. That's all I needed.
 
2017-09-29 06:54:10 PM  

Mugato: peterthx: cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.

I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.

Never criticize a rich person's work, cefm. They are your betters. Your betters!


More like he and his millions of fans don't give a shiat.
 
2017-09-29 07:08:37 PM  

jmr61: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

Don't overthink it. The movie was fun and Gal Gadot is insanely hot. That's all I needed.


It was a basic popcorn movie with a female superhero lead. Thats it. And yes, that was groundbreaking but it wasn't freaking Shakespeare either. And yes, I liked it but wasn't thrilled with the ending.
 
2017-09-29 07:29:15 PM  
She was heroic, with no motivation other than wanting to do what's right.

She wasn't trying to atone for her past, like Iron Man or Black Widow.  She wasn't trying to avenge loved ones, like Batman or the Punisher or Black Panther.  She wasn't trying to protect her private life, like Spider-Man.  She wasn't making a mess to save a best friend, like Captain America.

She simply saw people in danger, and wanted to help them.

I think that's worth a lot in today's superhero genre.  :)
 
2017-09-29 07:36:35 PM  

peterthx: Mugato: peterthx: cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.

I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.

Never criticize a rich person's work, cefm. They are your betters. Your betters!

More like he and his millions of fans don't give a shiat.


Pretty sure he wasn't talking directly to James Cameron.
 
2017-09-29 07:45:42 PM  
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2017-09-29 08:02:06 PM  

skyotter: She was heroic, with no motivation other than wanting to do what's right.

She wasn't trying to atone for her past, like Iron Man or Black Widow.  She wasn't trying to avenge loved ones, like Batman or the Punisher or Black Panther.  She wasn't trying to protect her private life, like Spider-Man.  She wasn't making a mess to save a best friend, like Captain America.

She simply saw people in danger, and wanted to help them.

I think that's worth a lot in today's superhero genre.  :)


Yeah, that was the one thing I think this movie did better than any superhero movie since Superman: The Movie.  While it wasn't perfect, and the final battle was certainly flawed, I really did like the idea that someone can do something just because they are good.

I think it showed that people really like superheroes who are good people.  That's not boring; that's iconic and can be uplifting.
 
2017-09-29 10:04:08 PM  

T.rex: It did seem incredibly petty at the time, when he made those comments. T2 was on the other day, and in context to those comments, i was looking for something in depth about Sarah Connor.... What? She does chin-ups in jail?  That makes her some heroine or something?


She had better character development in the first one. Although the scene where she goes after Miles is pretty intense, better acting than she had to do in the first one. But the writing and the character were a lot more "natural" in the first one. The more I watch, the more I like the first one as an actual story.
 
2017-09-29 10:48:49 PM  

Mugato: Nurglitch: Actually, WW looking like she couldn't deliver a punch made sense to me, particularly with her growing up on an island of jacked up Amazons. Seriously, can you imagine trying to build muscle when pushing tens of tons worth of weight isn't going to make you sweat?

No one whined that Christopher Reeve couldn't arm wrestle Tyrion.

Having someone who can lift a tank with arms like The Rock is just pointless.


And he put on muscle for the role working out with Darth Vader.
But Henry Cavill is almost too muscular.
 
2017-09-29 10:49:12 PM  

RyansPrivates: skyotter: She was heroic, with no motivation other than wanting to do what's right.

She wasn't trying to atone for her past, like Iron Man or Black Widow.  She wasn't trying to avenge loved ones, like Batman or the Punisher or Black Panther.  She wasn't trying to protect her private life, like Spider-Man.  She wasn't making a mess to save a best friend, like Captain America.

She simply saw people in danger, and wanted to help them.

I think that's worth a lot in today's superhero genre.  :)

Yeah, that was the one thing I think this movie did better than any superhero movie since Superman: The Movie.  While it wasn't perfect, and the final battle was certainly flawed, I really did like the idea that someone can do something just because they are good.

I think it showed that people really like superheroes who are good people.  That's not boring; that's iconic and can be uplifting.


Historically-speaking, Marvel has been more successful because of its flawed heroes and (comic book) realism.  In the Golden Age, Superman would lift up a building and the bottom would be flat.  Marvel came in and when the Hulk would lift a building, there'd be broken pipes, water mains, and electricity sparking.  (The case can be made DC's bad guys are written better, but that's another conversation.)  I'm a first-class Marvel fanboy.  I worked in a comic book store in the 80's.  I watched Wonder Woman a few weeks ago, and loved it.  Maybe nowadays we just need heroes who are good for the sake of being good.

(Spiderman Homecoming did this well too, as far as the hero just wanting to do the right thing without selfish motivation or trying to fix some historical wrong.)
 
2017-09-29 10:50:19 PM  

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mesmerizing.
 
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2017-09-30 07:45:43 AM  

skyotter: HEY GUYS, HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THAT WONDER WOMAN'S CREATOR WAS INTO BONDAGE?

BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A MODERN DISCUSSION OF THE CHARACTER!!!


You leave me and Gal and her lasso and our 5 tubes of lube and gallon of gatorade out of this!!!
 
2017-09-30 09:40:50 AM  

Ed Grubermann: josephina: He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.

*psst*! You can say "ass" here. Hell, we don't even mind "arse". And if you're really daring, you can say "bum"! Insane! I know!


Semprini?
 
2017-09-30 10:26:37 AM  

peterthx: Mugato: peterthx: cefm: James Cameron may want to shut the fark up.  His last forays into film have sucked hind tit.

I'm sure he's crying into the billions his last forays have made.

Never criticize a rich person's work, cefm. They are your betters. Your betters!

More like he and his millions of fans don't give a shiat.


In the end, a director or other artistic Creator is remembered most for their most recent work before they stopped. That last work is usually considered a bookend to their greatest success. If they make a great piece of work early in their career and go out on top then that is what they remembered for. If they make great works early on and then Peter out then the lasting remembrance of your career is " what happened?"

Sometimes you have to know when to pull a Jerry Seinfeld and quit while you're on top.
 
2017-09-30 02:09:41 PM  

foo monkey: RyansPrivates: skyotter: She was heroic, with no motivation other than wanting to do what's right.

She wasn't trying to atone for her past, like Iron Man or Black Widow.  She wasn't trying to avenge loved ones, like Batman or the Punisher or Black Panther.  She wasn't trying to protect her private life, like Spider-Man.  She wasn't making a mess to save a best friend, like Captain America.

She simply saw people in danger, and wanted to help them.

I think that's worth a lot in today's superhero genre.  :)

Yeah, that was the one thing I think this movie did better than any superhero movie since Superman: The Movie.  While it wasn't perfect, and the final battle was certainly flawed, I really did like the idea that someone can do something just because they are good.

I think it showed that people really like superheroes who are good people.  That's not boring; that's iconic and can be uplifting.

Historically-speaking, Marvel has been more successful because of its flawed heroes and (comic book) realism.  In the Golden Age, Superman would lift up a building and the bottom would be flat.  Marvel came in and when the Hulk would lift a building, there'd be broken pipes, water mains, and electricity sparking.  (The case can be made DC's bad guys are written better, but that's another conversation.)  I'm a first-class Marvel fanboy.  I worked in a comic book store in the 80's.  I watched Wonder Woman a few weeks ago, and loved it.  Maybe nowadays we just need heroes who are good for the sake of being good.

(Spiderman Homecoming did this well too, as far as the hero just wanting to do the right thing without selfish motivation or trying to fix some historical wrong.)


+100%.  I'm more on the DC side, but yeah I think we are entering a cycle where "realism fatigue" (if that's even a thing) is setting.  Escapism is back, and I think people are craving that shining beacon on the hill type thing.

So, for example, I watched the Punisher trailer.  At first I was really stoked, then i showed my wife and I started to think "damn that looks too gritty and dark, with all that I see in the news everyday, I think i'd rather see something more like Flash and Supergirl are doing on the small screen."

Funny thing, being a DC guy there were 3 comics I read from marvel growing up: Cap, Hulk, and Spidey.  My favorite of the 3 was actually Cap.

(Side note: I kind of agree on the villain side but DC hasn't done right by their villains for the most part in live action.  Wilson Fisk/Kingpin and Killgrave were done exceptionally well by Marvel on Netflix, though.  Especially Wilson Fisk)
 
2017-09-30 02:21:34 PM  

Chris Ween: tin_man: Chris Ween: Rose threw the diamond in the Atlantic! What the f*ck, Camaeron?  I guess she was a strong female character when she killed Jack, so we have that.

And then pined for him for the rest of her life, while letting some other poor sap provide for her under the guise of love.

She is as bad as Jenny from Forrest Gump...who grew up to be Wonder Woman's aunt who taught her to fight.  OMG it all makes sense now.


MIND BLOWN
 
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