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(Variety)   Lynda Carter to James Cameron: "STOP dissing WW. You poor soul. Perhaps you do not understand the character. I most certainly do. Like all women--we are more than the sum of our parts...This movie was spot on. Gal Gadot was great"   ( variety.com) divider line
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2017-09-28 11:54:41 PM  
Bobbie Jo and the Outlaw was a great movie
 
2017-09-29 02:21:36 AM  
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2017-09-29 03:12:40 AM  
I enjoyed Wonder Woman. Which is a nice change of pace from recent DC movies.
 
2017-09-29 04:02:49 AM  

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Models cosplaying action heroes!  Hell yea!!  #feminism #gurlpower #killallmen
 
2017-09-29 05:46:25 AM  

Mike_LowELL: rzrwiresunrise: img.fark.net
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Models cosplaying action heroes!  Hell yea!!  #feminism #gurlpower #killallmen


Because males who play action heroes never mod...

*checks username*

Nevermind.
 
2017-09-29 05:47:38 AM  
What not enough giant blue Smurfs in it for him?
 
2017-09-29 05:49:49 AM  
Anyone who says it's more than the sum of its parts, just has poor part accounting.
 
2017-09-29 05:55:09 AM  

EvilEgg: Anyone who says it's more than the sum of its parts, just has poor part accounting.


Counterpoint: the parts are very, very nice.
 
2017-09-29 05:57:00 AM  

Summoner101: Because males who play action heroes never mod...


I dunno, I mod, all the time, when I am designing the Peter Griffin mod for Supreme Commander.  "Remember that one time I used nuclear weapons on the neighbors?"  And then BOOM, game over, I'm the best.

The point I'm making is that Gal Gadot sucks at both the nuclear weapons and the martial arts.  (Which is weird on both counts, since she's Israeli.)  If a male model sucks at the martial arts, like when Vince McMahon gets his roided-out bodybuilder types to fake wrestle, then I will call them out, and that's when Steven Seagal will be like, "Don't mess with Mike, he's a bad dude."

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Lynda Carter and Gal Gadot have never thrown a punch in their lives, and can't be taught to do it, and can't pretend to do it, so they shouldn't be doing it.  Still though, I think we can agree that we DO need to kill all of the men.  Whatever the male equivalent of cooties is, men have it, and it's a threat to us all.
 
2017-09-29 06:11:35 AM  
Lornette "Mace" Mason in "Strange Days" > Wonder Woman
 
2017-09-29 06:14:01 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Summoner101: Because males who play action heroes never mod...

I dunno, I mod, all the time, when I am designing the Peter Griffin mod for Supreme Commander.  "Remember that one time I used nuclear weapons on the neighbors?"  And then BOOM, game over, I'm the best.

The point I'm making is that Gal Gadot sucks at both the nuclear weapons and the martial arts.  (Which is weird on both counts, since she's Israeli.)  If a male model sucks at the martial arts, like when Vince McMahon gets his roided-out bodybuilder types to fake wrestle, then I will call them out, and that's when Steven Seagal will be like, "Don't mess with Mike, he's a bad dude."

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Lynda Carter and Gal Gadot have never thrown a punch in their lives, and can't be taught to do it, and can't pretend to do it, so they shouldn't be doing it.  Still though, I think we can agree that we DO need to kill all of the men.  Whatever the male equivalent of cooties is, men have it, and it's a threat to us all.


Try decaf.
 
2017-09-29 06:16:14 AM  

paradroid: Lornette "Mace" Mason in "Strange Days" > Wonder Woman


I love that movie... she was tough as nails in that movie.
 
2017-09-29 06:21:44 AM  
He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.
 
2017-09-29 06:22:50 AM  
Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.
 
2017-09-29 06:25:52 AM  

Summoner101: Mike_LowELL: rzrwiresunrise: img.fark.net
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Models cosplaying action heroes!  Hell yea!!  #feminism #gurlpower #killallmen

Because males who play action heroes never mod...

*checks username*

Nevermind.


He really is the best kind of troll.
 
2017-09-29 06:26:36 AM  
I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.
 
2017-09-29 06:34:59 AM  

josephina: He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.


*psst*! You can say "ass" here. Hell, we don't even mind "arse". And if you're really daring, you can say "bum"! Insane! I know!
 
2017-09-29 06:35:45 AM  

ol' gormsby: Try decaf.


We're on a shiatpost with NO BRAKESS
 
2017-09-29 06:35:56 AM  

JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.


She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.
 
2017-09-29 06:36:16 AM  
Our collective response to this tool should be in its entirety: huh.
 
2017-09-29 06:38:20 AM  

Mike_LowELL: rzrwiresunrise: img.fark.net
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Easy there, Bahar Mustafa.
 
2017-09-29 06:41:13 AM  
It did seem incredibly petty at the time, when he made those comments. T2 was on the other day, and in context to those comments, i was looking for something in depth about Sarah Connor.... What? She does chin-ups in jail?  That makes her some heroine or something?
 
2017-09-29 06:42:27 AM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


I'm always a bit puzzled by people that post things that are almost explicitly "everyone who knows about movies professionally always disagrees with me" in these threads.

I mean, you seem to be under the impression that you just said that you have some special insight from the tone, but the actual literal meaning of what you're saying is that you willfully and intentionally make decisions regarding your media consumption that you know to be bad choices.

... which, don't get me wrong, you're allowed to do, it's your time and money.  I'm just unsure what value you think sharing the fact that you know your taste in films is bad and are doubling down on it instead of questioning why has to other people.
 
2017-09-29 06:42:38 AM  
It was fine. Better than the bad Marvel/DC movies, worse than the good ones. Seems like an awful lot of brouhaha over an adequate movie, if you ask me.
 
2017-09-29 06:43:22 AM  
I enjoyed Wonder Woman, but I found I had the hawts for Hiposomethingorother. I think Robin Wright played her, and to be fair the other older ladies were sexy af too. Wonder Woman was just ok, so I missed Cameron's reasoning that she was some kind of sex symbol. I've seen sexier at the mall. And man, her knees...
 
2017-09-29 06:45:13 AM  

EvilEgg: Anyone who says it's more than the sum of its parts, just has poor part accounting.


Or they are a biologist:

Emergent Property:  any unique property that "emerges" when component objects are joined together in constraining relations to "construct" a higher-level aggregate object, a novel property that unpredictably comes from a combination of two simpler constituents.
 
2017-09-29 06:58:14 AM  

VTGremlin: It was fine. Better than the bad Marvel/DC movies, worse than the good ones. Seems like an awful lot of brouhaha over an adequate movie, if you ask me.


It's one of the most popular characters in comics, and one that historically has never been successfully ported over to the movie format before.

The whole DC comics movie thing was also on the verge of complete collapse, with only Suicide Squad (a film notable for not having any of the valuable, expensive DC characters in it) being unambiguously worthwhile in monetary terms and the entire line being an unmitigated disaster in critical terms.  For the people that like the DC characters and want to see more of them made into movies while the comic-book-movie fad is still a thing, WW being pretty good basically just salvaged what had begun looking like a pretty small chance of that happening.

As far as "brouhaha"... there really isn't any.  Cameron is intentionally starting shiat because he's an aging douchebag who is really insecure about his declining reputation (and about the cause of that decline... that he hasn't written anything considered well-written since 1997 and hasn't been involved in a movie considered good on any level since 2009).  He's lashing out at basically anything high-profile enough to get his name back into the headlines so that he can see his name in the entertainment section and finally get an erection again.  I doubt there's much actual malice in it or honestly that he even believes that complete bullshiat about Connor being a better character than Diana.  He's an old man yelling at teenagers about getting off his lawn: it's not about the lawn, it's about how even his children never call him anymore and at least the cops have to listen to him talk.
 
2017-09-29 06:59:25 AM  
Rose threw the diamond in the Atlantic! What the f*ck, Camaeron?  I guess she was a strong female character when she killed Jack, so we have that.
 
2017-09-29 07:00:54 AM  
Also, I'm glad James Cameron is back in the news.  He probably isn't here to hawk any new Terminator movies.  I'm sure this is his sincere opinion.  Oh, he is working on a new Terminator Trilogy?  I'm shocked that he is out there drumming up outrage and controversy.
 
2017-09-29 07:17:00 AM  
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2017-09-29 07:21:46 AM  

Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.


I want to bang your aunt
 
2017-09-29 07:26:01 AM  
I wouldn't mind superhero movies with heroes who are overweight or scrawny and don't seem to know how to fight.  When you are strong enough to pick up and throw a car then it would be like a normal person living on the moon.  Atrophy is going to happen unless you set up a gym where you can regularly lift weights that challenge your strength.  Clark Kent's real disguise should have been that he looked positively anorexic and his superman costume was padded.

Highly skilled humans need to look buff.  Super beings don't.

That all said I still haven't seen WW although I own it.  And I haven't read any of the rants Cameron has made yet.  So in this I have proven myself to be a true Farker.
 
2017-09-29 07:27:05 AM  

Ed Grubermann: JerkStore: I'd just like to go on record that I would still hit it with Lynda Carter. I'd totally wreck that 70 year old hotness.

She looks too much like my idiot aunt for me.


Updates farky....
 
2017-09-29 07:27:59 AM  

Ed Grubermann: josephina: He is right on one count- Sarah Connor kicked azz, and more realistically than WW. But WW is cool, in that fantasy superhero sorta way. No real comparison to make except that they're both female characters.

*psst*! You can say "ass" here. Hell, we don't even mind "arse". And if you're really daring, you can say "bum"! Insane! I know!


Reported.
 
2017-09-29 07:30:47 AM  
James Cameron is just trolling because Space Smurfs is no longer the biggest picture EVER. Stop feeding him, Lynda.

/and you are spot on right,Lynda
 
2017-09-29 07:42:20 AM  

Chris Ween: Rose threw the diamond in the Atlantic! What the f*ck, Camaeron?  I guess she was a strong female character when she killed Jack, so we have that.


And then pined for him for the rest of her life, while letting some other poor sap provide for her under the guise of love.
 
2017-09-29 07:54:39 AM  

Noah_Tall: I wouldn't mind superhero movies with heroes who are overweight or scrawny and don't seem to know how to fight. When you are strong enough to pick up and throw a car then it would be like a normal person living on the moon. Atrophy is going to happen unless you set up a gym where you can regularly lift weights that challenge your strength. Clark Kent's real disguise should have been that he looked positively anorexic and his superman costume was padded.

Highly skilled humans need to look buff. Super beings don't.


To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Wonder Woman. The storytelling is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of third-wave feminism most of the misogyny will go over a typical viewers head. There's also Diana's positive outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterisation- her personal philosophy draws heavily from Anita Sarkeesian, for instance.  The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the matriarchy, to realise that they're not just feminists- they say something deep about LIFE.  As a consequence people who dislike Wonder Woman truly ARE misogynists- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the submissive undertones of Diana's lasso, which itself is a cryptic reference to Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Patty Jenkin's genius wit unfolds itself on their movie screens.  What fools.. how I pity them. And yes, by the way, i DO have a Wonder Woman tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably higher) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
 
2017-09-29 07:54:57 AM  
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That means it's real for all you old farts out there who keep yelling at me to get off of your lawn.
 
2017-09-29 08:01:06 AM  

fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.


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2017-09-29 08:06:12 AM  
Can't wait to hear what James Cameron thinks of Alicia Vikander as Lara Croft. /sarcasm

IMHO, one of the reasons WW resonated so much with women: Here was a female character that just did, because it never occurs to her that she can't, or shouldn't. I think there's probably very few women who would give much of a shiat about the realism of fighting scenes in that context.

Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.
 
2017-09-29 08:12:21 AM  

Lydia_C: Can't wait to hear what James Cameron thinks of Alicia Vikander as Lara Croft. /sarcasm

IMHO, one of the reasons WW resonated so much with women: Here was a female character that just did, because it never occurs to her that she can't, or shouldn't. I think there's probably very few women who would give much of a shiat about the realism of fighting scenes in that context.

Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.


That is part of it. Also, she was smart, witty and willing to not only learn and experience, but take chances. Robin Wright as Antiope was my favorite - sharp, quick, lethal, and committed. These are women who, as you say, DO, instead of worry that they'll get smacked down for trying. Or that they need men to make them whole.

Most DC movies leave me rolling my eyes or going "meh" (even Suicide Squad, while it had some fun moments, lost me with that nonsense with the villain. It was OK through the set-up) and this one had me going "Now, that was fun! Not to mention, Professor Lupin was the baddie!"
 
2017-09-29 08:21:21 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Noah_Tall: I wouldn't mind superhero movies with heroes who are overweight or scrawny and don't seem to know how to fight. When you are strong enough to pick up and throw a car then it would be like a normal person living on the moon. Atrophy is going to happen unless you set up a gym where you can regularly lift weights that challenge your strength. Clark Kent's real disguise should have been that he looked positively anorexic and his superman costume was padded.

Highly skilled humans need to look buff. Super beings don't.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Wonder Woman. The storytelling is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of third-wave feminism most of the misogyny will go over a typical viewers head. There's also Diana's positive outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterisation- her personal philosophy draws heavily from Anita Sarkeesian, for instance.  The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the matriarchy, to realise that they're not just feminists- they say something deep about LIFE.  As a consequence people who dislike Wonder Woman truly ARE misogynists- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the submissive undertones of Diana's lasso, which itself is a cryptic reference to Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Patty Jenkin's genius wit unfolds itself on their movie screens.  What fools.. how I pity them. And yes, by the way, i DO have a Wonder Woman tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably higher) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.


Pace yourself. I've got a feeling it's going to be a long day.
 
2017-09-29 08:25:07 AM  

Cthulhukefka: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

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I love that gif, it looks like a glimpse of the real Gal having a fun moment in her life.

It often seems that actors and actress are never "off the clock" so you can never tell when they are truly being themselves when out in public.
 
2017-09-29 08:30:22 AM  

dennysgod: Cthulhukefka: fastfxr: Still haven't seen this movie, and now probably won't. Any time a movie is "you either get it or you don't" or "well you're THIS, so you can't understand THAT", I tend to turn away. Throw in the "what a strong female role" reviews this got and I can safely assume it's crap.

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I love that gif, it looks like a glimpse of the real Gal having a fun moment in her life.

It often seems that actors and actress are never "off the clock" so you can never tell when they are truly being themselves when out in public.


There's also stuff like this

Gal Gadot comforts young Wonder Woman fan at Comic Con 2017
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The more you see her out of character the more you realize how perfect she is for the role.
 
2017-09-29 08:35:40 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: James Cameron is just trolling because Space Smurfs is no longer the biggest picture EVER. Stop feeding him, Lynda.

/and you are spot on right,Lynda


Wut? LOL!
 
2017-09-29 08:36:28 AM  

Lydia_C: Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.


Convincing =/= realistic.  John Wick is not realistic, but it's awesome, and therefore convincing.

And yes, I am an expert on the martial arts, I have been thrown out of women's self-defense seminars on multiple occasions, for being a man.  Total misandry, if you ask me.
 
2017-09-29 08:38:11 AM  

foo monkey: Pace yourself. I've got a feeling it's going to be a long day.


The terms of my contract are pretty complicated, but I'm getting double bonus points for double XP right now.  I gotta make my posts count.

No matter anyway, I'll be asleep in about thirty minutes.  Driving to work in a second.
 
2017-09-29 09:06:13 AM  
They are both strong and powerful women.  But there are differences.

Diana Prince has been trained since birth to be a warrior.  Add to that the fact that she is also a demi-god and that ups her powers exponentially.  However, up until the final battle.  All of her fights are against normal, mortal men so it's not really a fair fight.  Sure we've got the added firepower when she's charging towards the German trenches.  But at the same time.  Demi-god.

Sarah Connor is a nobody.  No training, no survival skills at all and we get to see her learn and grow into a fierce warrior.  She's also fighting against a killer robot the entire time.  Something that outmatches her in every way.  Yet she succeeds in the end.

Thing is though.  Diana doesn't need Steve Trevor and his team to succeed.  She just needs them to point her in the right direction.  They helped in battles.  But were pretty insignificant when push came to shove.  Sarah Connor would not have survived without Kyle Reese in T1 and the The Terminator in T2.  She needed the men to survive.

And when it comes down to getting people in the seats for the movies.  People went to see the Terminator movies because of Arnold and once we knew the story, fighting killer robots.  People went to see Wonder Woman because of Wonder Woman.  Hell it's in the names.  One movie is named after the strong female protagonist.  The other is named for the strong male character.
 
2017-09-29 09:13:06 AM  
Eh, the villains were underdeveloped, but that's to be expected in an origin movie.
 
2017-09-29 09:19:08 AM  

Lydia_C: Can't wait to hear what James Cameron thinks of Alicia Vikander as Lara Croft. /sarcasm

IMHO, one of the reasons WW resonated so much with women: Here was a female character that just did, because it never occurs to her that she can't, or shouldn't. I think there's probably very few women who would give much of a shiat about the realism of fighting scenes in that context.

Movie screen fighting is rarely realistic even with male actors. Guys who complain about realism of WW fighting are pretty much full of it - playing Dark Souls 3 for hours on end doesn't make you an expert.


This, dammit.

I think I earn most of my misogyny points for being pissed when they make a movie where they tell, not show. I really don't like when they make a character that is SUPPOSEDLY awesome and the best ever but you never see any evidence of that. Is there a meta gyno Miles Gloriosus?
 
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