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jbc [TotalFark]
2017-09-29 12:24:06 AM  
List fails without Jeff.
 
2017-09-29 01:24:59 AM  
List needs Commander Sinclair.
 
2017-09-29 01:55:33 AM  
List fails without SHUT UP WESLEY!, but I guess they figured they couldn't do a TNG twofer.
 
2017-09-29 02:17:09 AM  
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2017-09-29 02:19:12 AM  

jbc: List fails without Jeff.


You'll get over it.
 
2017-09-29 03:04:56 AM  
9. Doctor Katherine Pulaski - Star Trek: The Next Generation

Sadly she fell down an empty turboshaft.
 
2017-09-29 03:07:23 AM  
I wanted to punch this one in the face when I was a kid.
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2017-09-29 03:23:54 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: List fails without SHUT UP WESLEY!, but I guess they figured they couldn't do a TNG twofer.


I just found out Crusher was almost played by

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Jenny Agutter.
 
2017-09-29 06:41:06 AM  
Realising their mistake, producers brought back Doctor Crusher for season three, and Pulaski beamed away (vanished).

Is that what "beamed away" means?  I thought it was something "the kids" were doing these days involving butt play and squirt guns.

/eyeroll
 
2017-09-29 06:43:09 AM  
Oy, Dawson's Creek is how Mrs. dragonchild got her celeb crush on Michelle Williams.

As for Pulaski, I thought she made Star Trek: TNG much more interesting than Bev Crusher.  Here was a woman who wasn't physically attractive (Troi was already the eye candy and otherwise more of a liability), could be abrasive, was even somewhat of a bigot toward Data but also had the air of unimpeachable competence.  I thought Diana Muldaur gave her a pretty good identity and plenty of chemistry in her own way -- the others played off her flaws.  Dr. Crusher played by McFadden was kind of just this one-note huffy biatch who happened to be a doctor.
 
2017-09-29 06:46:22 AM  
Julian Lennon?
 
2017-09-29 06:46:57 AM  
In one season Pulaski had 10x the personality Crusher ever had
 
2017-09-29 07:05:13 AM  
List fails without Mandy.
 
2017-09-29 07:07:56 AM  

BalugaJoe: List needs Commander Sinclair.


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Sinclair was written out because Michael O'Hare's schizophrenia was beginning to affect his work. JMS offered to suspend production for him to seek treatment but O'Hare felt that a break would threaten the future of the show so asked JMS to write him off the show.
 
2017-09-29 07:10:07 AM  
Angel the best romantic lead in TV history? I know several Buffy fans who don't care about Angel but would take Spike any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
2017-09-29 07:13:52 AM  

fusillade762: Farking Clown Shoes: List fails without SHUT UP WESLEY!, but I guess they figured they couldn't do a TNG twofer.

I just found out Crusher was almost played by

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Jenny Agutter.


Damn, now I'm imaging a Sejanus-era Sir Patrick as Logan.
 
2017-09-29 07:19:08 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: In one season Pulaski had 10x the personality Crusher ever had


Stuck-up biatch is a kind of personality, I guess.
 
2017-09-29 07:34:48 AM  

LoneWolf343: Plant Rights Activist: In one season Pulaski had 10x the personality Crusher ever had

Stuck-up biatch is a kind of personality, I guess.


She may have been hard on Data, but who else really got to know Worf in a short basis the way she did?

She was cool with the Klingon. I liked that.
 
2017-09-29 07:36:27 AM  

batlock666: Angel the best romantic lead in TV history? I know several Buffy fans who don't care about Angel but would take Spike any day of the week and twice on Sunday.


Angel was essentially the "adult" relationship, where he sincerely put in effort and dealt with his other concerns to try to make it work (and ultimately failed because, like an adult, he couldn't afford to make romance his entire life).  Spike was the "teenager" relationship, where he was always trying to seem deep and rebellious but was actually harmless, but as a result of having nothing of actual import to do he could devote his entire life to the relationship and play the creepily devoted stalker, which I guess some people are into.

I don't know that either of them were really supposed to represent a good relationship.  I mean, the whole point of the show was an absurdly over-extended metaphor for how teenagers feel about things, and Buffy was played pretty straight as a teen despite the age of the actors and one who continually made terrible decisions even by teenager standards at that.
 
2017-09-29 07:37:41 AM  

BalugaJoe: List needs Commander Sinclair.


... I liked Sinclair. He had a great arc in the story.

/in Valen's name?
 
2017-09-29 07:38:06 AM  

Shadow Blasko: LoneWolf343: Plant Rights Activist: In one season Pulaski had 10x the personality Crusher ever had

Stuck-up biatch is a kind of personality, I guess.

She may have been hard on Data, but who else really got to know Worf in a short basis the way she did?

She was cool with the Klingon. I liked that.


she was also right about Data.  He did hijack the ship several times.
 
2017-09-29 07:38:38 AM  
Married With Children's Seven really has to be in here.
 
2017-09-29 07:48:04 AM  

Snapper Carr: BalugaJoe: List needs Commander Sinclair.

notsureifserious.jpg.

Sinclair was written out because Michael O'Hare's schizophrenia was beginning to affect his work. JMS offered to suspend production for him to seek treatment but O'Hare felt that a break would threaten the future of the show so asked JMS to write him off the show.


TIL.
 
2017-09-29 07:54:25 AM  
It's not really fair to say the Lost characters were "written out." It was just a stupid ill-advised and poorly conceived side episode.

Also this list needs the youngest daughter from Family Matters.
 
2017-09-29 07:55:35 AM  
They should make a list of characters that ruined shows but somehow stayed around.
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2017-09-29 08:03:51 AM  

HawgWild: List fails without Mandy.


Yep. Donna was far better in the foil to Joshua role
 
2017-09-29 08:08:17 AM  
I used to work with a guy who claimed that in the mid 90s, he worked in Southern California hanging drywall with the blonde member of Koy and Vance. Apparently, people were still teasing him about being the blond member of Koy and Vance, but the dude claimed he got a lot of action out of it. And that the regular cast was pretty cold to Koy and Vance.
 
2017-09-29 08:21:39 AM  
Riley...he really should have died in the season 4 finale.  In season 5 he mostly just stood behind Buffy waiting for the final action sequence to start.
 
2017-09-29 08:21:59 AM  
I wish there was more Roy.
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2017-09-29 08:31:19 AM  

HawgWild: List fails without Mandy.


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HELLO?    HELLO?    I THINK YOU FORGOT ME!    HELLO?
 
2017-09-29 08:52:02 AM  

dragonchild: Oy, Dawson's Creek is how Mrs. dragonchild got her celeb crush on Michelle Williams.

As for Pulaski, I thought she made Star Trek: TNG much more interesting than Bev Crusher.  Here was a woman who wasn't physically attractive (Troi was already the eye candy and otherwise more of a liability), could be abrasive, was even somewhat of a bigot toward Data but also had the air of unimpeachable competence.  I thought Diana Muldaur gave her a pretty good identity and plenty of chemistry in her own way -- the others played off her flaws.  Dr. Crusher played by McFadden was kind of just this one-note huffy biatch who happened to be a doctor.


I always liked Pulaski as I found the whole Crusher/Picard/will they/won't they/Wesley may be their son/ nonsense real tiresome.
 
2017-09-29 08:59:09 AM  
Bobby Martin, in All My Children.

They lampshaded this a couple of times.
 
2017-09-29 09:00:35 AM  

HawgWild: List fails without Mandy.


West Wing Mandy? Because that's the first thing I thought of. Gods, she was awful.
 
2017-09-29 09:08:15 AM  
Brought into season four while Angel got his own series, and written out in season five because everyone hated him, Riley wasn't even invited back for the finale, which basically had EVERYONE in it.

Riley didn't need an invite to the finale.  The finale was already too crowded (look how short-changed Anya's death was).

Anyway Riley already had a good send off in he last episode As You Were where he's happily married and fighting along side with his wife and seeing this gives Buffy the strength to finally breakup with Spike.
 
2017-09-29 09:41:38 AM  

phaedra: HawgWild: List fails without Mandy.

West Wing Mandy? Because that's the first thing I thought of. Gods, she was awful.


She was without a doubt the worst part of S1 of West Wing, and I was so glad she got her one way ticket to Mandyville.
 
2017-09-29 09:42:19 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: List fails without SHUT UP WESLEY!, but I guess they figured they couldn't do a TNG twofer.


He wasn't written out, he left on his own.  They didn't want him to go, but he was trying to break free before he became a Trek-lifer.  A dumb move, he later admits.  But they weren't treating him well, and were restricting other projects he was interested in.  So he left.

dragonchild: As for Pulaski, I thought she made Star Trek: TNG much more interesting than Bev Crusher.


Yes and no.  I agree she generally had more interesting aspects that added a little testy conflict, but they basically just wrote a female McCoy, practically without variation.  Being a dick to Data didn't help endear her to the fans.  Though I did like how they attached her to Riker's father, and her pushy relationship with Picard was scripted pretty well.

In the end, you get the impression she never fit in with the "family" on the show, and everyone involved was happier when Gates returned.
 
2017-09-29 09:54:37 AM  
I never really had a problem with Riley Finn.

I mean, for one thing, it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to be a long-term (beyond his one season) love interest.  Not from the writing of the character or any specific episodes, but because of the very nature of the show itself.  It's about growing up, and the relationship with him was the one that demonstrated that falling in love with someone doesn't mean they're your "one true love / soulmate / destiny" and that two people can be in love and then realize that it's not working out and move on, and that's ok.

Buffy's relationship with Angel was very much the immature teenage "We're so in love and we're going to be together forever" thing.  Riley was Buffy's first more adult relationship.

He did get a follow up episode in a later season, but of course he didn't appear in the final season or the finale - he was established as being part of a Government monster hunting squad, and pulling him into the finale would have brought the resources of the government with him - and since the whole theme of the finale was about the Slayers stepping up, having the Feds roll in would massively undercut that.  Also, there was nothing else for him to do, no other purpose for him to serve within the narrative; Buffy had already dealt with "My ex is with someone else now" in his follow-up ep.
 
2017-09-29 09:57:08 AM  
Riley from Buffy was kind of a bad mix. Season 4 Buffy cooperated with and worked against a group of roided out and later zombified military operatives. Once Adam was defeated, Riley was still very much a member of that group and logically had to go where the military sent him. He offered to take her with him in a one-off episode later in the series. She decided not to go. He definitely got a send off and at least some fans like him as a character. He was more or less the one decent guy Buffy dated during the series. I love BtVS to death but pairing her with either Vampire lead is super cringey to me.

Also, Pullaski was the more interesting Doctor on TNG. She had more pointed conflicts with the rest of the cast and came off, to my mind, like the more competent professional.
 
2017-09-29 10:05:12 AM  
Somewhat related story.  I had two Shelties, got the second one late in the first one's life. Our youngest son, Dawson, never got along with the first dog, Pacey, so we let him pick the new dog which was named Joey.

After Pacey went to the bridge we agreed that it would have been much harder without Joey around, but I told my wife that he is the Cut and Vance of the dog world.

She didn't get it.
 
2017-09-29 10:12:37 AM  

batlock666: Angel the best romantic lead in TV history? I know several Buffy fans who don't care about Angel but would take Spike any day of the week and twice on Sunday.


With good reason. Angel didn't even have a personality until about five or six episodes before he left for his own show.

likefunbutnot: Riley from Buffy was kind of a bad mix. Season 4 Buffy cooperated with and worked against a group of roided out and later zombified military operatives. Once Adam was defeated, Riley was still very much a member of that group and logically had to go where the military sent him. He offered to take her with him in a one-off episode later in the series. She decided not to go. He definitely got a send off and at least some fans like him as a character. He was more or less the one decent guy Buffy dated during the series. I love BtVS to death but pairing her with either Vampire lead is super cringey to me.


You missed a bit of his arc. He left the Initiative/military before the finale against Adam, and actually reenlisted to join that demon-hunting special forces unit in his send-off episode. Between those he was thoroughly lost, and was getting suck-jobs from vampires while knowing Buffy had lost interest in him.

I swear the showrunners just couldn't agree on what to do with his character, but Marc Blucas gave a good performance.
 
2017-09-29 10:16:44 AM  
Know a family named Cunningham. They used to joke about their brother Chuck who went upstairs carrying his basketball and never came back down.
 
2017-09-29 10:16:53 AM  

Teaser: They should make a list of characters that ruined shows but somehow stayed around.
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That character was so terrible I think he gave me stomach cancer!
 
2017-09-29 10:28:35 AM  

Khellendros: Farking Clown Shoes: List fails without SHUT UP WESLEY!, but I guess they figured they couldn't do a TNG twofer.

He wasn't written out, he left on his own.  They didn't want him to go, but he was trying to break free before he became a Trek-lifer.  A dumb move, he later admits.  But they weren't treating him well, and were restricting other projects he was interested in.  So he left.


Yeah, you're right, he wasn't completely written out, and he came back later in the movies - although most of his wedding appearance ended up on the cutting-room floor. Still, the first two seasons of TNG are considered the weakest, and IIRC a lot of that is because lazy writing had the boy-genius saving the ship so often. He was their personified deux ex machina.

dragonchild: As for Pulaski, I thought she made Star Trek: TNG much more interesting than Bev Crusher.

Yes and no.  I agree she generally had more interesting aspects that added a little testy conflict, but they basically just wrote a female McCoy, practically without variation.  Being a dick to Data didn't help endear her to the fans.  Though I did like how they attached her to Riker's father, and her pushy relationship with Picard was scripted pretty well.

In the end, you get the impression she never fit in with the "family" on the show, and everyone involved was happier when Gates returned.


They really screwed the pooch with her character. She was supposed to be crusty and crotchety like McCoy, so they tried to generate the same kind of McCoy/Spock dynamic with her and Data. But it the justification they gave for her disliking Data was that he was an android, making her seem like a big old bigot. Teenage me hated her for that.
 
2017-09-29 10:43:12 AM  
Gates McFadden left the show because she was being harassed romantically by the writer they mentioned.  He left after season 2 and they asked her to come back.

/maybe
 
2017-09-29 10:47:07 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Khellendros: Farking Clown Shoes: List fails without SHUT UP WESLEY!, but I guess they figured they couldn't do a TNG twofer.

He wasn't written out, he left on his own.  They didn't want him to go, but he was trying to break free before he became a Trek-lifer.  A dumb move, he later admits.  But they weren't treating him well, and were restricting other projects he was interested in.  So he left.

Yeah, you're right, he wasn't completely written out, and he came back later in the movies - although most of his wedding appearance ended up on the cutting-room floor. Still, the first two seasons of TNG are considered the weakest, and IIRC a lot of that is because lazy writing had the boy-genius saving the ship so often. He was their personified deux ex machina.

dragonchild: As for Pulaski, I thought she made Star Trek: TNG much more interesting than Bev Crusher.

Yes and no.  I agree she generally had more interesting aspects that added a little testy conflict, but they basically just wrote a female McCoy, practically without variation.  Being a dick to Data didn't help endear her to the fans.  Though I did like how they attached her to Riker's father, and her pushy relationship with Picard was scripted pretty well.

In the end, you get the impression she never fit in with the "family" on the show, and everyone involved was happier when Gates returned.

They really screwed the pooch with her character. She was supposed to be crusty and crotchety like McCoy, so they tried to generate the same kind of McCoy/Spock dynamic with her and Data. But it the justification they gave for her disliking Data was that he was an android, making her seem like a big old bigot. Teenage me hated her for that.


 I probably never gave the Pulaski character much of a chance because she 'wasn't Crusher', but at that age Data was my favorite too and Pulaski just irked me.  Still can't watch the 'I'm turning really really old from this disease' episode.

 I've also read that Diana muldaur did not at all enjoy working on the show in season 2.   I know she was in an original series episode back in the day but that was drastically different from the experience she had in the late 80s working on a season of TNG.  ( I've also read that she had a hard time learning and remembering her lines, hated the technobabble aspect of the dialog,  and pretty much didn't get along with the rest of the cast anyway)
 
2017-09-29 10:53:21 AM  

clkeagle: batlock666: Angel the best romantic lead in TV history? I know several Buffy fans who don't care about Angel but would take Spike any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

With good reason. Angel didn't even have a personality until about five or six episodes before he left for his own show.


Some people also forget that a lot of the "Buffy/Angel Relationship" backstory was actually covered in Angel, too (as flashback, etc.) so his character wasn't fully fleshed out until well after he'd left Buffy.
 
2017-09-29 10:54:35 AM  

Khellendros: I agree she generally had more interesting aspects that added a little testy conflict, but they basically just wrote a female McCoy, practically without variation. Being a dick to Data didn't help endear her to the fans.

Without variation?  She wasn't openly hostile to Data like McCoy was to Spock; she was just a purist who considered him a machine, a view shared by others in the Federation who hadn't gotten to know him.  Consider that as a physician she's only ever worked on blood-and-guts "organic" life whereas Data himself was always repaired by the ship's chief engineer.  And since she was a newcomer I thought that was something they'd work on over time, and IIRC they were moving in that direction.  It'd have been more unrealistic if she just waltzed on board and fit like a glove.  And Muldaur gave Pulaski more of a maternal aloofness to compare to McCoy's yelling-at-clouds crustiness.

As for endearing, you don't always want to listen to fans in that regard because being unlikable could be the point.  GoT fans hate Joffrey but they tuned in regularly to watch that trainwreck.  Now, I personally don't care for dog-eat-dog dystopias but Pulaski's abrasiveness was downright tame even in a competence porn show.  And if anything, I found Dr. Crusher more of a biatch because if Pulaski could be quippy at times, it seemed like Crusher was perpetually annoyed for no reason at all.
 
2017-09-29 11:14:49 AM  
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2017-09-29 11:25:22 AM  

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He wasn't written out of the show for being a terrible character.  He was written out of the show for objecting to the dismissal of the original showrunner
 
2017-09-29 11:27:24 AM  

PlaidJaguar: abhorrent1: [img.fark.net image 232x317]

He wasn't written out of the show for being a terrible character.  He was written out of the show for objecting to the dismissal of the original showrunner


Was still a terrible character
 
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