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2017-09-28 08:15:08 PM  
A self-driving car (SDC) should probably have one steering wheel for emergencies when the self-driving software fails or needs to be over-riidden. Like a spare tire, it should have a backup steering wheel in case of failure or special problems in an emergency.

At the present, self-driving cars (SDCs) may need help from a pilot or an expert driver, the way a Learning Driver does.

Common sense? I think so.

Perhaps if the design of the car changes significantly, it might make sense to replace the steering wheel with some other device and displace it from one seat to another when needed. Left and right hand drive ought to be obsolete perhaps in the SDCs of the future. Perhaps the steering column will not be needed and it will be sufficient to have a steering panel or some other device.

But one steering wheel should be available for now.
 
2017-09-28 08:22:28 PM  
Just hook an Xbox controller up to it. If it's good enough for Navy nuclear submarines, it's good enough for a car.
 
2017-09-29 01:50:35 AM  
one per passenger
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2017-09-29 01:54:49 AM  
One for each seat because my self driving car will be like the teacup ride at Disney World.
 
2017-09-29 02:09:19 AM  
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2017-09-29 02:25:36 AM  

wademh: one per passenger
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valerieroney.ca
 
2017-09-29 03:02:05 AM  
Stop the insanity. This is the worst idea ever. Who asked for this? No one. It's a rite of passage to get your license and have your freedom. If people go over a cliff following the GPS, what is a SDC going to do?
 
2017-09-29 03:03:12 AM  
Seven?
 
2017-09-29 03:36:59 AM  
Zero is the correct answer. Perhaps some kind of control that pops out of the dashboard in an emergency but in normal every day driving being in the 'drivers' seat should be no different than being in the 'passenger' seat.
 
2017-09-29 03:40:19 AM  

Kevin72: Stop the insanity. This is the worst idea ever. Who asked for this? No one. It's a rite of passage to get your license and have your freedom. If people go over a cliff following the GPS, what is a SDC going to do?


It would have to be a pretty farking stupid SDC to be more dangerous on the road than a human-driven car.
 
2017-09-29 04:40:36 AM  

wax_on: Zero is the correct answer. Perhaps some kind of control that pops out of the dashboard in an emergency but in normal every day driving being in the 'drivers' seat should be no different than being in the 'passenger' seat.


There were twice the number of steering wheels than I expected, but I don't think zero is acceptable at the present time. The auto pilots that exist are more of a driver assisting feature than a driver replacing one.

Eventually I think the best option will be a central mounted joystick. It works for emergencies and takes up very little space at a fraction of the hardware costs of a wheel and pedal system.

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2017-09-29 07:26:18 AM  
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2017-09-29 07:27:05 AM  

way south: wax_on: Zero is the correct answer. Perhaps some kind of control that pops out of the dashboard in an emergency but in normal every day driving being in the 'drivers' seat should be no different than being in the 'passenger' seat.

There were twice the number of steering wheels than I expected, but I don't think zero is acceptable at the present time. The auto pilots that exist are more of a driver assisting feature than a driver replacing one.

Eventually I think the best option will be a central mounted joystick. It works for emergencies and takes up very little space at a fraction of the hardware costs of a wheel and pedal system.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]


Neat
 
db2
2017-09-29 07:30:57 AM  
Well my guess was off by at least two.
 
2017-09-29 08:49:04 AM  
Wouldn't Bettridge's law of headlines indicate the answer is "none"?
 
2017-09-29 09:09:06 AM  
Eleven
 
2017-09-29 09:50:12 AM  

Kevin72: Stop the insanity. This is the worst idea ever. Who asked for this? No one. It's a rite of passage to get your license and have your freedom. If people go over a cliff following the GPS, what is a SDC going to do?


It also kills 35,000 people a year.  That "rite of passage" is the number one killer of people under age 35.  Accidents cost the economy tens of billions a year.

Drivers are - by far - the most dangerous element of any transportation system.  Automating the process should bring accident rates and deaths down by well over 95%.  Accidents will still happen (most typically from human intervention), but will be far safer than the safest human driver.
 
2017-09-29 09:55:23 AM  
Isn't a steering wheel in driverless cars like seatbelts, by the time you know you need it, its too late?
 
2017-09-29 10:45:42 AM  

brantgoose: A self-driving car (SDC) should probably have one steering wheel for emergencies when the self-driving software fails or needs to be over-riidden. Like a spare tire, it should have a backup steering wheel in case of failure or special problems in an emergency.

At the present, self-driving cars (SDCs) may need help from a pilot or an expert driver, the way a Learning Driver does.

Common sense? I think so.

Perhaps if the design of the car changes significantly, it might make sense to replace the steering wheel with some other device and displace it from one seat to another when needed. Left and right hand drive ought to be obsolete perhaps in the SDCs of the future. Perhaps the steering column will not be needed and it will be sufficient to have a steering panel or some other device.

But one steering wheel should be available for now.


There will be one.
It won't do anything, like the ones on a litte tyke car, but it will be there.
It's there to make you feel better, for the same reason electric cars have grills. People feel "weird" if they're missing.
 
2017-09-29 01:57:33 PM  
I read something earlier about how in their research, the designers of these cars have found that people are really bad at taking the controls in an emergency. They aren't being attentive, and it takes too long for their brains to shift gears (sorry for the pun) from passenger to driver. So they were talking about skipping that and just making a self-driving car that never needs a driver, since the difference in AI between "almost good enough" and "totally reliable" isn't all that big.
 
2017-09-29 06:45:34 PM  

Khellendros: Kevin72: Stop the insanity. This is the worst idea ever. Who asked for this? No one. It's a rite of passage to get your license and have your freedom. If people go over a cliff following the GPS, what is a SDC going to do?

It also kills 35,000 people a year.  That "rite of passage" is the number one killer of people under age 35.  Accidents cost the economy tens of billions a year.

Drivers are - by far - the most dangerous element of any transportation system.  Automating the process should bring accident rates and deaths down by well over 95%.  Accidents will still happen (most typically from human intervention), but will be far safer than the safest human driver.


Pardon my skepticism. I just can't believe that a SDC could be 20 times (95% decrease) more safe than a human driven car. There are so many unknowns that just can't be programmed or legislated into a SDC. NO ONE intends to get into an accident, but so much unknowns occur. The SDC will be caught in any of the flukes that happens to humans, but it willl NOT have the human intelligence to do something like swerve, honk, slow down, whatever. And God forbid a SDC is ever driven on snow or ice.
 
2017-09-29 06:45:34 PM  

way south: wax_on: Zero is the correct answer. Perhaps some kind of control that pops out of the dashboard in an emergency but in normal every day driving being in the 'drivers' seat should be no different than being in the 'passenger' seat.

There were twice the number of steering wheels than I expected, but I don't think zero is acceptable at the present time. The auto pilots that exist are more of a driver assisting feature than a driver replacing one.

Eventually I think the best option will be a central mounted joystick. It works for emergencies and takes up very little space at a fraction of the hardware costs of a wheel and pedal system.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]


Seems like that would really interfere with road head.
 
2017-09-29 06:47:06 PM  
www.ipaintiwrite.com
Duel steering wheel systems aren't exactly new technology.
It keeps the passengers from fighting.
 
2017-09-29 07:05:51 PM  

MythDragon: way south: [img.fark.net image 850x478]

Seems like that would really interfere with road head.


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if that's true, it's not a car i want
 
2017-09-30 01:41:22 AM  

Kevin72: Khellendros: Kevin72: Stop the insanity. This is the worst idea ever. Who asked for this? No one. It's a rite of passage to get your license and have your freedom. If people go over a cliff following the GPS, what is a SDC going to do?

It also kills 35,000 people a year.  That "rite of passage" is the number one killer of people under age 35.  Accidents cost the economy tens of billions a year.

Drivers are - by far - the most dangerous element of any transportation system.  Automating the process should bring accident rates and deaths down by well over 95%.  Accidents will still happen (most typically from human intervention), but will be far safer than the safest human driver.

Pardon my skepticism. I just can't believe that a SDC could be 20 times (95% decrease) more safe than a human driven car. There are so many unknowns that just can't be programmed or legislated into a SDC. NO ONE intends to get into an accident, but so much unknowns occur. The SDC will be caught in any of the flukes that happens to humans, but it willl NOT have the human intelligence to do something like swerve, honk, slow down, whatever. And God forbid a SDC is ever driven on snow or ice.


The really unbelievable part is how you seem to keep assuming that stupid monkey brains are better than specialized machines at a given task, especially since, you know, the whole computer revolution has been based around this truth. It makes as much sense as saying it is impossible for humans to fly because they don't have wings.

There's a difference between skepticism and stubbornness.
 
2017-09-30 03:56:09 AM  

LoneWolf343: Kevin72: Khellendros: Kevin72: Stop the insanity. This is the worst idea ever. Who asked for this? No one. It's a rite of passage to get your license and have your freedom. If people go over a cliff following the GPS, what is a SDC going to do?

It also kills 35,000 people a year.  That "rite of passage" is the number one killer of people under age 35.  Accidents cost the economy tens of billions a year.

Drivers are - by far - the most dangerous element of any transportation system.  Automating the process should bring accident rates and deaths down by well over 95%.  Accidents will still happen (most typically from human intervention), but will be far safer than the safest human driver.

Pardon my skepticism. I just can't believe that a SDC could be 20 times (95% decrease) more safe than a human driven car. There are so many unknowns that just can't be programmed or legislated into a SDC. NO ONE intends to get into an accident, but so much unknowns occur. The SDC will be caught in any of the flukes that happens to humans, but it willl NOT have the human intelligence to do something like swerve, honk, slow down, whatever. And God forbid a SDC is ever driven on snow or ice.

The really unbelievable part is how you seem to keep assuming that stupid monkey brains are better than specialized machines at a given task, especially since, you know, the whole computer revolution has been based around this truth. It makes as much sense as saying it is impossible for humans to fly because they don't have wings.

There's a difference between skepticism and stubbornness.


Driving isn't computing. I can't believe you think humans have stupid monkey brains, or that you think that all the imponderables can just be programmed into a car. Look at Babblefish Google Translate. It's gotten better, but I wouldn't bet my life on its translations, frequently I'll translate it back and edit before sending it out. And that's with constant improvements. So many things from parallel parking to braking on ice to sudden mistakes by others.....

/and you seem to be awfully horny to hear it must be true it must be true ot mudt be true to not accept reasonable skepticism and just label it "stubbornness".
 
2017-09-30 05:56:53 AM  

MythDragon: way south: wax_on: Zero is the correct answer. Perhaps some kind of control that pops out of the dashboard in an emergency but in normal every day driving being in the 'drivers' seat should be no different than being in the 'passenger' seat.

There were twice the number of steering wheels than I expected, but I don't think zero is acceptable at the present time. The auto pilots that exist are more of a driver assisting feature than a driver replacing one.

Eventually I think the best option will be a central mounted joystick. It works for emergencies and takes up very little space at a fraction of the hardware costs of a wheel and pedal system.

[img.fark.net image 850x478]

Seems like that would really interfere with road head.


Yes, but a joystick has many useful functions.

/if you're brave enough...
 
2017-09-30 09:30:49 AM  

wax_on: Zero is the correct answer. Perhaps some kind of control that pops out of the dashboard in an emergency but in normal every day driving being in the 'drivers' seat should be no different than being in the 'passenger' seat.


Even puling into the garage?
 
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