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(Medical Xpress)   OCD sounds a lot like Einstein's definition of insanity   ( medicalxpress.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Brain, OCD, OCD symptoms, senior author Benedetto, University College London, graduate students Matilde, Brain Decision Modelling, relatively new field  
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2017-09-29 12:58:26 AM  
15 votes:
In many ways, pretty much the opposite of Einstein's notion of insanity.

If turning the key three times as you lock or unlock the door worked last time, you expect it to work again. And I bet it does. If turning the key back and forth three times didn't work the last few times, and you do it again and again, that is Einstein's definition of insanity. But other than being completely wrong, nice try subs.
2017-09-29 01:29:22 AM  
14 votes:
Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results.
Attributed to Albert Einstein (probably incorrectly).

As any coach will tell you, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of "practice".
2017-09-29 01:40:18 AM  
12 votes:
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2017-09-29 01:37:00 AM  
9 votes:

Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed by it.  You'll find some compulsion to deal with it, no matter how strange you may look doing it.

And that's the not funny part about OCD.


Thanks for sharing. And your description is dead on. The smallest things can seem life altering when you have OCD and it's so difficult for others to understand. But you did a great job explaining it. I salute you.
2017-09-29 12:56:06 AM  
8 votes:
*CDO
2017-09-28 10:52:56 PM  
7 votes:
Unfortunately, as I've been diagnosed with OCD (in remission via medication), I don't concur wth the article conclusions.

However, OCD impacts suffers in different degrees and ways. So I'll defer to fellow OCD sufferers.

/Even with meds, I have bad days
2017-09-29 01:50:13 AM  
5 votes:

Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed by it.  You'll find ...


that's about what it's like.

Now imagine being told "it's all in your head" and to "just get over it"..and if you are female, to be called "hysterical" or an "attention whore" or a "drama queen" when having a panic attack over obsessions and fears gone wild.

Now imagine things in the far past feelng like they have just happened..over and over again..different memories that show up randomly and then stick all day..

thoughts are obsessive, yes, even if actions aren't always.
2017-09-29 03:39:21 AM  
4 votes:

KodosZardoz: Toxophil: Gee, I wonder if it's in the DSM.

Apparently in the DSM 5 it gets its own chapter now. They moved it from a sub category of anxiety disorders to its own sort of classification. Didn't know that. I thought it was still classified as a general anxiety disorder. Well, mental illnesses are so odd that I guess that stuff happens more often than not.


While I respect what the DSM does, i.e. without definitions not everyone would get treatment, it's going to be a new day when there's tests for mental illnesses and not just checklists.
2017-09-29 05:51:53 AM  
3 votes:
OCD must feel pretty bad on the inside, because watching it from the outside is rough. When my sons medications aren't quite doing the trick, he takes benadryl. It calms his mind enough to get some relief. These days I don't find OCD jokes as funny as I used to.
2017-09-29 03:43:33 AM  
3 votes:
Now I'm thinking we should have a Fark OCD group. Hell, we could probably divide every Fark account into groups of different mental illnesses! It'll be fun!
2017-09-29 01:40:02 AM  
3 votes:

Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed by it.  You'll find ...


I know that feel.

It's gotten somewhat better for me. Medication helped, CBT helped more. I still get flare-ups, but they're usually manageable. My case was probably milder than yours.

Still get bowled over by fears of bad things happening. Nowadays, when I run through the different scenarios, I can usually tell when they don't make sense. Usually.
2017-09-29 01:26:14 AM  
2 votes:

Toxophil: Gee, I wonder if it's in the DSM.


Apparently in the DSM 5 it gets its own chapter now. They moved it from a sub category of anxiety disorders to its own sort of classification. Didn't know that. I thought it was still classified as a general anxiety disorder. Well, mental illnesses are so odd that I guess that stuff happens more often than not.
2017-09-29 01:22:36 AM  
2 votes:

AirForceVet: Unfortunately, as I've been diagnosed with OCD (in remission via medication), I don't concur wth the article conclusions.

However, OCD impacts suffers in different degrees and ways. So I'll defer to fellow OCD sufferers.

/Even with meds, I have bad days


I too have suffered from OCD and like you have been in remission due to medication. I too still have good and bad days. It never really totally disappears, does it.
I find the theory proposed in the article interesting. Not too sure about the actual experiment. As far as the conclusions, well I'm not totally sure about. On the one hand, I can see about confidence and knowledge being cut off from action. I have observed this in myself as you probably have in yourself. It's odd to have a mind which logically knows that, for instance, the light is shut off, but you keep flicking the switch to make sure it is.
I agree there are different habits and behaviors (for instance counting, which I read Tesla had a problem in his OCD) that are more complex than the stated conclusion of the article. However, I think it's good that we're researching these mental illnesses more and in different ways. Perhaps some day we will reach a real understanding of them. Thank you for sharing and good luck to you!
2017-09-29 10:46:37 AM  
1 vote:

Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.


I think I am going to need to see your card
2017-09-29 05:06:33 AM  
1 vote:
I suggest anyone struggling with Ocd try neurofeedback before meds. Just my. 02
2017-09-29 04:31:00 AM  
1 vote:
As someone who used to have to walk through a non existent doorway four times when having a particular thought occur, I can attest.

/door's closed
//thanks LSD
2017-09-29 04:23:05 AM  
1 vote:

KodosZardoz: Now I'm thinking we should have a Fark OCD group. Hell, we could probably divide every Fark account into groups of different mental illnesses! It'll be fun!


What about a group for Farkers without mental illness? Wouldn't want either of them to feel left out.
2017-09-29 03:39:44 AM  
1 vote:
ruinmyweek.com
2017-09-29 03:06:23 AM  
1 vote:

Kirablue42: Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed ...


Remedy for hysteria back in the day...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-an​d​-the-strange-history-vibrators
 
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