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2017-09-28 10:52:56 PM  
Unfortunately, as I've been diagnosed with OCD (in remission via medication), I don't concur wth the article conclusions.

However, OCD impacts suffers in different degrees and ways. So I'll defer to fellow OCD sufferers.

/Even with meds, I have bad days
 
2017-09-29 12:52:58 AM  
Gee, I wonder if it's in the DSM.
 
2017-09-29 12:56:06 AM  
*CDO
 
2017-09-29 12:58:26 AM  
In many ways, pretty much the opposite of Einstein's notion of insanity.

If turning the key three times as you lock or unlock the door worked last time, you expect it to work again. And I bet it does. If turning the key back and forth three times didn't work the last few times, and you do it again and again, that is Einstein's definition of insanity. But other than being completely wrong, nice try subs.
 
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2017-09-29 12:59:57 AM  
 
2017-09-29 01:03:22 AM  

AirForceVet: Unfortunately, as I've been diagnosed with OCD (in remission via medication), I don't concur wth the article conclusions.

However, OCD impacts suffers in different degrees and ways. So I'll defer to fellow OCD sufferers.

/Even with meds, I have bad days


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2017-09-29 01:21:06 AM  

uber humper: AirForceVet: Unfortunately, as I've been diagnosed with OCD (in remission via medication), I don't concur wth the article conclusions.

However, OCD impacts suffers in different degrees and ways. So I'll defer to fellow OCD sufferers.

/Even with meds, I have bad days

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2017-09-29 01:22:36 AM  

AirForceVet: Unfortunately, as I've been diagnosed with OCD (in remission via medication), I don't concur wth the article conclusions.

However, OCD impacts suffers in different degrees and ways. So I'll defer to fellow OCD sufferers.

/Even with meds, I have bad days


I too have suffered from OCD and like you have been in remission due to medication. I too still have good and bad days. It never really totally disappears, does it.
I find the theory proposed in the article interesting. Not too sure about the actual experiment. As far as the conclusions, well I'm not totally sure about. On the one hand, I can see about confidence and knowledge being cut off from action. I have observed this in myself as you probably have in yourself. It's odd to have a mind which logically knows that, for instance, the light is shut off, but you keep flicking the switch to make sure it is.
I agree there are different habits and behaviors (for instance counting, which I read Tesla had a problem in his OCD) that are more complex than the stated conclusion of the article. However, I think it's good that we're researching these mental illnesses more and in different ways. Perhaps some day we will reach a real understanding of them. Thank you for sharing and good luck to you!
 
2017-09-29 01:26:14 AM  

Toxophil: Gee, I wonder if it's in the DSM.


Apparently in the DSM 5 it gets its own chapter now. They moved it from a sub category of anxiety disorders to its own sort of classification. Didn't know that. I thought it was still classified as a general anxiety disorder. Well, mental illnesses are so odd that I guess that stuff happens more often than not.
 
2017-09-29 01:29:22 AM  
Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results.
Attributed to Albert Einstein (probably incorrectly).

As any coach will tell you, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of "practice".
 
2017-09-29 01:33:25 AM  
Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.
 
2017-09-29 01:33:59 AM  

Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.



*act*
 
2017-09-29 01:37:00 AM  

Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed by it.  You'll find some compulsion to deal with it, no matter how strange you may look doing it.

And that's the not funny part about OCD.


Thanks for sharing. And your description is dead on. The smallest things can seem life altering when you have OCD and it's so difficult for others to understand. But you did a great job explaining it. I salute you.
 
2017-09-29 01:40:02 AM  

Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed by it.  You'll find ...


I know that feel.

It's gotten somewhat better for me. Medication helped, CBT helped more. I still get flare-ups, but they're usually manageable. My case was probably milder than yours.

Still get bowled over by fears of bad things happening. Nowadays, when I run through the different scenarios, I can usually tell when they don't make sense. Usually.
 
2017-09-29 01:40:18 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 01:40:53 AM  

Ive come from afar: Trik: Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.


*act*

What card or document allows me to act out in public?


the one that says you have OCD.
You can print one out...
 
2017-09-29 01:47:29 AM  
Tourette's syndrome is more entertaining to the observer
 
2017-09-29 01:48:07 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-29 01:50:13 AM  

Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed by it.  You'll find ...


that's about what it's like.

Now imagine being told "it's all in your head" and to "just get over it"..and if you are female, to be called "hysterical" or an "attention whore" or a "drama queen" when having a panic attack over obsessions and fears gone wild.

Now imagine things in the far past feelng like they have just happened..over and over again..different memories that show up randomly and then stick all day..

thoughts are obsessive, yes, even if actions aren't always.
 
2017-09-29 02:09:27 AM  

Madman drummers bummers: [img.fark.net image 500x667]


Bet they just print money
 
2017-09-29 02:45:36 AM  
You down with OCD?
Who's down with OCD?
 
2017-09-29 02:55:56 AM  

fragMasterFlash: You down with OCD?
Who's down with OCD?


I am.
 
2017-09-29 02:58:01 AM  

fragMasterFlash: You down with OCD?
Who's down with OCD?


I am.
 
2017-09-29 02:58:33 AM  

fragMasterFlash: You down with OCD?
Who's down with OCD?


I am!
 
2017-09-29 02:58:34 AM  

Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.


What is, your Fark account?
 
2017-09-29 03:02:24 AM  

Kirablue42: Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed by it.  You'll find ...

that's about what it's like.

Now imagine being told "it's all in your head" and to "just get over it"..and if you are female, to be called "hysterical" or an "attention whore" or a "drama queen" when having a panic attack over obsessions and fears gone wild.

Now imagine things in the far past feelng like they have just happened..over and over again..different memories that show up randomly and then stick all day..

thoughts are obsessive, yes, even if actions aren't always.


For those of you with OCD, does smoking weed help?

It just seems like it might, given how you guys describe the symptoms. Some the descriptions feel eerily familiar to how I felt before I was a regular marijuana user.
 
2017-09-29 03:06:23 AM  

Kirablue42: Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed ...


Remedy for hysteria back in the day...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-an​d​-the-strange-history-vibrators
 
2017-09-29 03:09:46 AM  

cryinoutloud: Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.

What is, your Fark account?


look up, about 1/2" to 3/4" of an inch
 
2017-09-29 03:23:10 AM  

Trik: cryinoutloud: Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.

What is, your Fark account?

look up, about 1/2" to 3/4" of an inch


whoosh
 
2017-09-29 03:35:30 AM  

emtwo: Trik: cryinoutloud: Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.

What is, your Fark account?

look up, about 1/2" to 3/4" of an inch

whoosh


Surfs Up!
 
2017-09-29 03:38:36 AM  

Ive come from afar: KodosZardoz: Ive come from afar: Well, I guess I'll share and tell my CSB.

I have OCD.

As long as I can remember being cognizant, I have had OCD.  It has changed manifestations over the years.
OCD remains the one of mental health issues that is socially acceptable to mock.  And , truthfully, I see the humor in it sometimes.  I know when I am having a tic, that it is totally unreasonable and appears funny.  I do weird things with my hands in an attempt to count on my fingers.  It's one of the ways I de-stress the obsessions.  And yes, I do have the cleanliness thing to varying degrees of severity, depending on how bad my ocd flare is.  Ok, yeah, its funny, point and laugh at the guys compulsions, even I see a touch of humor in it sometimes I guess.
However, many people do not realize that along with the compulsions, there is the obsessive part of it, and that's mainly what drives the compulsions. The compulsions are a way to de-stress or deal with the obsessions.  And, obsessions are bad.  Imagine having repetitive thoughts that you cannot stop thinking about.  Imagine you cannot walk down a street for fear of someone bumping into you, or you inadvertently bumping into someone.  Imagine standing in public with a fear that your fly is down, but being too terrified to check in case someone sees you adjusting your crotch and thinks you're touching yourself in public and calls the police.  Then you'll b charged with indecency and maybe be a sex offender forever, and have to tell people when you move and your whole life and everything you've worked for will be taken away for a misunderstanding, and now your standing there convinced your fly is down but too terrified to do anything about it or even check.  All the while you're sure your fly is down and every sees it and thinks you're a pervert.  Now you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and your whole life is on the line.
Now imagine those thoughts running through your head at a thousand miles and hour, and you're paralyzed ...

Thanks.

I hope you find or have found a good way to deal with it.  I've become at ease with it in some ways.


I do okay. Vast improvement from the worst times years ago. Medication and some reading helped a bunch. I still have some bad moments. Interestingly they crop up in stress situations, like times when I'm really excited or really worried about something that is actually happening in my life.
I hope you can find more peace and eliminate more the the bad times.
 
2017-09-29 03:39:21 AM  

KodosZardoz: Toxophil: Gee, I wonder if it's in the DSM.

Apparently in the DSM 5 it gets its own chapter now. They moved it from a sub category of anxiety disorders to its own sort of classification. Didn't know that. I thought it was still classified as a general anxiety disorder. Well, mental illnesses are so odd that I guess that stuff happens more often than not.


While I respect what the DSM does, i.e. without definitions not everyone would get treatment, it's going to be a new day when there's tests for mental illnesses and not just checklists.
 
2017-09-29 03:39:44 AM  
ruinmyweek.com
 
2017-09-29 03:42:28 AM  
An act is just a cat in alphabetical order.
 
2017-09-29 03:43:33 AM  
Now I'm thinking we should have a Fark OCD group. Hell, we could probably divide every Fark account into groups of different mental illnesses! It'll be fun!
 
2017-09-29 03:47:17 AM  

UsikFark: KodosZardoz: Toxophil: Gee, I wonder if it's in the DSM.

Apparently in the DSM 5 it gets its own chapter now. They moved it from a sub category of anxiety disorders to its own sort of classification. Didn't know that. I thought it was still classified as a general anxiety disorder. Well, mental illnesses are so odd that I guess that stuff happens more often than not.

While I respect what the DSM does, i.e. without definitions not everyone would get treatment, it's going to be a new day when there's tests for mental illnesses and not just checklists.


So true. Much of psychology/psychiatry is so difficult because of the complexities of the mind. I read an interesting book by a doctor called "Against Depression."  Much of the book is wrestling with the idea of how to classify depression. Is it an illness? A disease? Some real fascinating, thoughtful stuff. And any layman can understand it.
 
2017-09-29 04:00:51 AM  

Trik: emtwo: Trik: cryinoutloud: Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.

What is, your Fark account?

look up, about 1/2" to 3/4" of an inch

whoosh

Surfs Up!


It's not the gentle crash of ocean waves you're hearing, it's the sound of everything going over your head.
 
2017-09-29 04:06:45 AM  

KodosZardoz: UsikFark: KodosZardoz: Toxophil: Gee, I wonder if it's in the DSM.

Apparently in the DSM 5 it gets its own chapter now. They moved it from a sub category of anxiety disorders to its own sort of classification. Didn't know that. I thought it was still classified as a general anxiety disorder. Well, mental illnesses are so odd that I guess that stuff happens more often than not.

While I respect what the DSM does, i.e. without definitions not everyone would get treatment, it's going to be a new day when there's tests for mental illnesses and not just checklists.

So true. Much of psychology/psychiatry is so difficult because of the complexities of the mind. I read an interesting book by a doctor called "Against Depression."  Much of the book is wrestling with the idea of how to classify depression. Is it an illness? A disease? Some real fascinating, thoughtful stuff. And any layman can understand it.


I'm currently reading a book called "thinking fast and slow" which is not about illness (not yet, at least) but it outlines how some are trying to tighten the knowledge on how we think. The guy who writes it focuses on what there's evidence for (what can be tested) and it's fascinating. There's researchers who are trying to get real feedback on the nervous system and the information in the book is as close as I'll get to biofeedback anytime soon.

Eventually, mental health pros will get their equivalents of a blood pressure cuff.
 
2017-09-29 04:18:23 AM  

emtwo: Trik: emtwo: Trik: cryinoutloud: Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.

What is, your Fark account?

look up, about 1/2" to 3/4" of an inch

whoosh

Surfs Up!

It's not the gentle crash of ocean waves you're hearing, it's the sound of everything going over your head.


Have you ever met someone who wouldn't give you satisfaction?
It was BLATANTLY obvious.
Completely lacking in subtly.
 
2017-09-29 04:21:55 AM  

fragMasterFlash: You down with OCD?
Who's down with OCD?


ugh, not me until I wash my hands again
 
2017-09-29 04:23:05 AM  

KodosZardoz: Now I'm thinking we should have a Fark OCD group. Hell, we could probably divide every Fark account into groups of different mental illnesses! It'll be fun!


What about a group for Farkers without mental illness? Wouldn't want either of them to feel left out.
 
2017-09-29 04:31:00 AM  
As someone who used to have to walk through a non existent doorway four times when having a particular thought occur, I can attest.

/door's closed
//thanks LSD
 
2017-09-29 04:37:55 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: [ruinmyweek.com image 550x481]


my hero.

and to the poster who asked, yes, weed helps.

I do not use psychiatric medications at all, because for many years I was given pills that only made me worse by doctors who used me as a human lab rat. I would like therapy, but am finding trying to get any very difficult.

For me, it's about baby steps. it's about not setting myself up for failure by trying to do more than I can, even if it's not as much as others can do, and even if others think I can do more, because when I do try to do more than I am able, I not only fail, but fail spectacularly and set myself back by doing so.

baby steps, I guess. I don't do well around crowds or loud noises at all the vast majority of the time.

most of the time I stay home, except when I have to do stuff, but once in a while I can make it out and about, I just never know when. There's no schedule that can be put to a panic attack.
 
2017-09-29 05:06:33 AM  
I suggest anyone struggling with Ocd try neurofeedback before meds. Just my. 02
 
2017-09-29 05:51:53 AM  
OCD must feel pretty bad on the inside, because watching it from the outside is rough. When my sons medications aren't quite doing the trick, he takes benadryl. It calms his mind enough to get some relief. These days I don't find OCD jokes as funny as I used to.
 
2017-09-29 06:09:16 AM  

KodosZardoz: Now I'm thinking we should have a Fark OCD group. Hell, we could probably divide every Fark account into groups of different mental illnesses! It'll be fun!


The alcoholics would just be regular old Fark. No subgroups needed!
 
2017-09-29 06:53:47 AM  

Trik: Ive come from afar: Trik: Trik: Just an excuse to cat out with a card / document that lets you get away with it.


*act*

What card or document allows me to act out in public?

the one that says you have OCD.
You can print one out...


Over and over again...

*wash, rinse, repeat*
 
2017-09-29 06:57:40 AM  
Its possible to have 2 or even dozens of concurrent beliefs, even if they are in direct conflict with the other ideas.... Its just what mood you happen to be in, at that moment..  If that makes me crazy, oh well.
 
2017-09-29 07:37:29 AM  
So, "tax cuts help the economy" is a form of OCD?
 
2017-09-29 08:14:25 AM  

emtwo: For those of you with OCD, does smoking weed help?


Absolutely.
 
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