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(Politicus USA)   Trump: 'I have the votes for Graham-Cassidy'. everyone else: 'no you don't.'   ( politicususa.com) divider line
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2017-09-28 02:24:33 AM  
ok, look - a certain amount of lying comes with the job.  literally both parties do this - they fudge things in their favor, wink wink nudge nudge and so long as nobody is going over the top into full blown delusion its accepted in our culture.

but trump is being flat out delusional and borderline nuts with this ACA repeal stuff.  he's making up things that are manifestly UNTRUE and will NEVER be true no matter how much he'd prefer otherwise.
 
2017-09-28 02:38:12 AM  

Weaver95: ok, look - a certain amount of lying comes with the job.  literally both parties do this - they fudge things in their favor, wink wink nudge nudge and so long as nobody is going over the top into full blown delusion its accepted in our culture.

but trump is being flat out delusional and borderline nuts with this ACA repeal stuff.  he's making up things that are manifestly UNTRUE and will NEVER be true no matter how much he'd prefer otherwise.


Well, of course there's the scary theory, however unlikely, that he knows something we don't.
 
2017-09-28 03:33:14 AM  

fusillade762: he knows something


Now that would be worthy of a newsflash.

Did you know that? A lot of people don't know that...
 
2017-09-28 03:45:03 AM  

Weaver95: he's making up things that are manifestly UNTRUE and will NEVER be true no matter how much he'd prefer otherwise.


It got him elected. Why stop?
 
2017-09-28 03:51:18 AM  

AquaTatanka: Weaver95: he's making up things that are manifestly UNTRUE and will NEVER be true no matter how much he'd prefer otherwise.

It got him elected. Why stop?


and again - within certain soft limits, US voters expect candidates in an election to lie to us.  its considered part of the game.  Trump tho...he isn't 'rounding the edges' on his policy goals.  he's balls out delusional and making up things that don't even EXIST.

Candidate: 'My job plan is WAY better than the other guys job plan!' [in reality it only changes things around slightly]
Trump: 'I went to the moon yesterday, best moon ever.  we're working on building a bridge there ya know.  best bridge you'll ever see!  gonna build golf courses there!'

that's what we're looking at in a 'leader'.  a guy who's so out of touch he can't seem to find Puerto Rico on a map and just MADE UP a country in africa because he didn't know what he was talking about and got lost while in mid conversation.
 
2017-09-28 04:57:06 AM  
Last time I counted, 49 is not more than 51. But in Trump World, apparently the basic rules of math no longer apply. He probably still thinks he won the popular vote, too.
 
2017-09-28 05:17:46 AM  
Aww, you saw. I was winning!
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2017-09-28 05:25:38 AM  
He doesn't even have a clue, much less votes.
 
2017-09-28 05:48:04 AM  
I took a break from Trump the past few days. I feel much better.

I feel resigned, though. Resigned but interested with a dash of horror. Like when the Olympic figure skater falls and the fall completely destroys her focus and she just keeps falling again and again. The music for her performance keeps playing and you know it will eventually end. But she falls again. The commentary states the obvious. And I just can't look away.
 
2017-09-28 05:57:54 AM  

Weaver95: AquaTatanka: Weaver95: he's making up things that are manifestly UNTRUE and will NEVER be true no matter how much he'd prefer otherwise.

It got him elected. Why stop?

and again - within certain soft limits, US voters expect candidates in an election to lie to us.  its considered part of the game.  Trump tho...he isn't 'rounding the edges' on his policy goals.  he's balls out delusional and making up things that don't even EXIST.

Candidate: 'My job plan is WAY better than the other guys job plan!' [in reality it only changes things around slightly]
Trump: 'I went to the moon yesterday, best moon ever.  we're working on building a bridge there ya know.  best bridge you'll ever see!  gonna build golf courses there!'

that's what we're looking at in a 'leader'.  a guy who's so out of touch he can't seem to find Puerto Rico on a map and just MADE UP a country in africa because he didn't know what he was talking about and got lost while in mid conversation.


Hyperbole... extreme hyperbole sells.  Some people just have a moral compass that does not allow them to live a life of communicating in extreme hyperbole.  Some are good at it, it tends to work out well in their favor when it pays off.  Risky, but some people bet big on lies, and win big.

I can't do it personally.
 
2017-09-28 06:19:11 AM  
1.  Tell the world that you think lying is a viable practice to get what you want
2.  Run for president
3.  Win presidency
4.  Lie like it was your job
5.  Bacon!
 
2017-09-28 06:20:25 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: 1.  Tell the world that you think lying is a viable practice to get what you want
2.  Run for president
3.  Win presidency
4.  Lie like it was your job
5.  Bacon!


You lie, there is no bacon.  THE BACON IS A LIE!
 
2017-09-28 06:39:08 AM  
I worry about a secret just before midnight last minute vote on it.  Can they do that?
 
2017-09-28 07:00:20 AM  

oldernell: I worry about a secret just before midnight last minute vote on it.  Can they do that?


They could try something like that, but I'm fairly sure it would spell disaster for every Republican Senator running for re-election in 2018. Also, the Democratic leadership would keep at least one Senator around to warn the others, if such a thing were tried.
 
2017-09-28 07:02:27 AM  

MmmmBacon: oldernell: I worry about a secret just before midnight last minute vote on it.  Can they do that?

They could try something like that, but I'm fairly sure it would spell disaster for every Republican Senator running for re-election in 2018. Also, the Democratic leadership would keep at least one Senator around to warn the others, if such a thing were tried.


it would be an incredibly unwise move to pull a midnight repeal and subsequent implosion of the majority of the US heath care system.  that would make a LOT of rich people very not rich, very quickly.  tends to upset them quite a bit...and rich people who are upset get listened to by the GOP leadership.
 
2017-09-28 07:18:56 AM  

Ambivalence: bigfatbuddhist: 1.  Tell the world that you think lying is a viable practice to get what you want
2.  Run for president
3.  Win presidency
4.  Lie like it was your job
5.  Bacon!

You lie, there is no bacon.  THE BACON IS A LIE!


It's two scoops of ice cream.
 
2017-09-28 07:23:44 AM  

oldernell: I worry about a secret just before midnight last minute vote on it.  Can they do that?


They do that often. Early morning sessions, late night sessions. Because it's absolutely vital that votes not interfere with 9 months of vacation time.
 
2017-09-28 07:24:03 AM  

oldernell: I worry about a secret just before midnight last minute vote on it.  Can they do that?


They sure can. The could lie about not bringing the vote to the floor to keep the heat off then try to pass it at the last moment.
 
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2017-09-28 07:36:45 AM  
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2017-09-28 07:39:19 AM  
He's going to attach it to his tax plan, because he knows every Republican has to vote for tax cut bills or else they self combust
 
2017-09-28 07:43:31 AM  

Lost Thought 00: He's going to attach it to his tax plan, because he knows every Republican has to vote for tax cut bills or else they self combust


Interesting thought. Unfortunately, if he does that, it would likely require a super-majority in the Senate to pass (60 votes), and thus would fail automatically. No, I feel it is more likely that the Republicans will send this Tax Reform bill through the House and Senate 'clean', because they and the President need a "Win". They will tackle destroying the ACA again after the 2018 midterms, assuming they still have control of the Senate.
 
2017-09-28 07:47:05 AM  
Reality has never stopped Trump before. Maybe he paid to have Congress hacked and he can lose the vote and the vote will still pass.
 
2017-09-28 07:48:34 AM  

fusillade762: Weaver95: ok, look - a certain amount of lying comes with the job.  literally both parties do this - they fudge things in their favor, wink wink nudge nudge and so long as nobody is going over the top into full blown delusion its accepted in our culture.

but trump is being flat out delusional and borderline nuts with this ACA repeal stuff.  he's making up things that are manifestly UNTRUE and will NEVER be true no matter how much he'd prefer otherwise.

Well, of course there's the scary theory, however unlikely, that he knows something we don't.


Or the theory that he does have the votes, it's just going to take exactly as much time to get them as it takes for McCain to pass and his replacement to be named.
 
2017-09-28 07:49:18 AM  

Weaver95: MmmmBacon: oldernell: I worry about a secret just before midnight last minute vote on it.  Can they do that?

They could try something like that, but I'm fairly sure it would spell disaster for every Republican Senator running for re-election in 2018. Also, the Democratic leadership would keep at least one Senator around to warn the others, if such a thing were tried.

it would be an incredibly unwise move to pull a midnight repeal and subsequent implosion of the majority of the US heath care system.  that would make a LOT of rich people very not rich, very quickly.  tends to upset them quite a bit...and rich people who are upset get listened to by the GOP leadership.


I can't believe the number of people getting less obscenely wealthy would come close to even bothering those who would get even more wealthy as of this repeal year. If it was, we would have more pushback besides articles and segments from the working class people. Maybe I've been ignoring things, but I have yet to even see or hear a published article (after this January) telling me how company X Is some liberal plot to get all the Jew gold or whatever tinfoil lies.

Insurance companies don't want to insure sick people, because they get less of a percentage back as golden toilet seat covers every quarter.
 
2017-09-28 07:52:14 AM  
Trump is making it up, and a president who lives in a fantasy land is unfit to hold the office.


This is what everyone needs to focus on, act on.  Of course it will never happen as the government as it is now is nearly irretrievably broken.
 
2017-09-28 07:52:27 AM  
It should be noted that the media is taking that line out of context again. The whole quote was more that they had the votes, but they have to shelve the vote until the next year, because of the one Senator who is in the hospital who can't vote.

I mean, granted, right now they doesn't have the votes, and the guy isn't in the hospital ( he's recovering at home ), but the whole quote was just a case of spinning victory while there was no vote taking place, and that they'll come back to it next year.
 
2017-09-28 07:57:18 AM  
Reporter:  Hmm.  These two sentences aren't really enough for a whole article. I know, I'll just copy and paste them down the page to fill it up.
 
2017-09-28 07:57:33 AM  
Maybe he believes that he can make it law with an EO?
 
2017-09-28 07:57:41 AM  
Cool blog bro.
 
2017-09-28 07:57:57 AM  

Xythero: Reporter:  Hmm.  These two sentences aren't really enough for a whole article. I know, I'll just copy and paste them down the page to fill it up.


"Reporter"
 
2017-09-28 07:58:17 AM  

ModernLuddite: oldernell: I worry about a secret just before midnight last minute vote on it.  Can they do that?

They do that often. Early morning sessions, late night sessions. Because it's absolutely vital that votes not interfere with 9 months of vacation time.


soliciting bribes time.
 
2017-09-28 08:00:03 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Trump is making it up, and a president who lives in a fantasy land is unfit to hold the office.


This is what everyone needs to focus on, act on.  Of course it will never happen as the government as it is now is nearly irretrievably broken.


It really should be easier to remove a President from office. That could never possibly back fire ever.

Maybe if lots of the people who didn't vote for him get angry they should be able to remove him from office.
 
2017-09-28 08:00:30 AM  
What ever happened to revenue neutral Republicans? You know, gut Medicare before passing a massive tax cut for the wealthy?

Oh wait, they never existed.

I present the Republican National Debt courtesy of one arms race, three tax cuts, two unnecessary wars.
 
2017-09-28 08:03:03 AM  
It is kinda not surprising that he has approach style akin to tilting at windmills.  In business, you need a bit of self-delusion to make it; especially in sales.  Donny may just have a few scoops extra of self-delusion.

Didn't sell anything last week?  no matter, you are still going to try to sell the same vacuum tomorrow to someone else.   Been told "no" a few times?  keep asking until they say yes.  Any of us who ever trained as a sales person or encountered them (or pick-up artists), they have to ignore previous failures to keep up the bravado for the next sales pitch.

How many movies/plays have we watched where people are looking into a mirror and pumping themselves up before a big boardroom presentation, or opening the house to greet potential homebuyers (real estate)

So Donny Two-Scoops approaching politics with the same style is not surprising and we are seeing it in examples like this one.  The one reason why it fails is these are not "new customers"; these are the same 538 yokels you tried to sell the vacuum to yesterday, and the day before.  Same with the media and the public.  There is no option to transfer from the northeast sales territory to the western one to find new people who haven't heard the sales pitch.
 
2017-09-28 08:04:13 AM  

js34603: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Trump is making it up, and a president who lives in a fantasy land is unfit to hold the office.


This is what everyone needs to focus on, act on.  Of course it will never happen as the government as it is now is nearly irretrievably broken.

It really should be easier to remove a President from office. That could never possibly back fire ever.

Maybe if lots of the people who didn't vote for him get angry they should be able to remove him from office.


So you're fine with a world leader who lives in a fantasy land.

Gotcha.

Have a nice day.
 
2017-09-28 08:04:31 AM  
Much simpler explanation.. He forgot it failed.

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2017-09-28 08:05:55 AM  

Xythero: Reporter:  Hmm.  These two sentences aren't really enough for a whole article. I know, I'll just copy and paste them down the page to fill it up.


Fark Troll: Hmm.  I can't argue with the facts in this article so I'll make up some criticism of the article's style and attack that.
 
2017-09-28 08:17:10 AM  

Ambivalence: bigfatbuddhist: 1.  Tell the world that you think lying is a viable practice to get what you want
2.  Run for president
3.  Win presidency
4.  Lie like it was your job
5.  Bacon!

You lie, there is no bacon.  THE BACON IS A LIE!


Bacon? Bacon. No you're the bacon!
 
2017-09-28 08:17:17 AM  

NathanAllen: What ever happened to revenue neutral Republicans? You know, gut Medicare before passing a massive tax cut for the wealthy?

Oh wait, they never existed.

I present the Republican National Debt courtesy of one arms race, three tax cuts, two unnecessary wars.


Point of order:  1.5 unnecessary wars.

Of course, going into Afghanistan was indirectly caused by retarded Republican foreign policy in the first place, so...
 
2017-09-28 08:17:58 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Trump is making it up, and a president who lives in a fantasy land is unfit to hold the office.


This is what everyone needs to focus on, act on.  Of course it will never happen as the government as it is now is nearly irretrievably broken.


I wouldn't say "broken," so much as infested. Our government is infested with Republicans.
 
2017-09-28 08:18:17 AM  
Maybe this is what he was told has actually happened? Maybe the administration around him has decided it would be easier to just lie to him about how great he's doing and settle him down in a corner with a sippy cup and some crayons, so they can go about the business of government without him?
 
2017-09-28 08:25:30 AM  

js34603: It really should be easier to remove a President from office. That could never possibly back fire ever.

Maybe if lots of the people who didn't vote for him get angry they should be able to remove him from office.


Because that's what this is all about: all the corruption, Trump's confused-racist-grandpa routine, Russia being connected to every facet of our federal government, most of Trump's appointees having secret Russian connections that they lie about under oath...

All of this is because a bunch of people who didn't vote for Republican President Donald Trump are "angry" that he won.

Go be deeply stupid somewhere else.
 
2017-09-28 08:28:28 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: js34603: It really should be easier to remove a President from office. That could never possibly back fire ever.

Maybe if lots of the people who didn't vote for him get angry they should be able to remove him from office.

Because that's what this is all about: all the corruption, Trump's confused-racist-grandpa routine, Russia being connected to every facet of our federal government, most of Trump's appointees having secret Russian connections that they lie about under oath...

All of this is because a bunch of people who didn't vote for Republican President Donald Trump are "angry" that he won.

Go be deeply stupid somewhere else.


But, but, Stupid Is King, right here.
 
2017-09-28 08:29:28 AM  

And I've just finished my milk: Maybe this is what he was told has actually happened? Maybe the administration around him has decided it would be easier to just lie to him about how great he's doing and settle him down in a corner with a sippy cup and some crayons, so they can go about the business of government without him?


Lies are always cheaper than any truth.
And they work harder.
 
2017-09-28 08:34:31 AM  

Weaver95: ok, look - a certain amount of lying comes with the job.  literally both parties do this - they fudge things in their favor, wink wink nudge nudge and so long as nobody is going over the top into full blown delusion its accepted in our culture.

but trump is being flat out delusional and borderline nuts with this ACA repeal stuff.  he's making up things that are manifestly UNTRUE and will NEVER be true no matter how much he'd prefer otherwise.


Most politicians tell you 2+2 = 5

Trump wants you to believe that 2+2= eleventy billion and if anyone says differently it's fake news
 
2017-09-28 08:36:10 AM  

limeyfellow: Ambivalence: bigfatbuddhist: 1.  Tell the world that you think lying is a viable practice to get what you want
2.  Run for president
3.  Win presidency
4.  Lie like it was your job
5.  Bacon!

You lie, there is no bacon.  THE BACON IS A LIE!

Bacon? Bacon. No you're the bacon!


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Utopia!!!!
 
2017-09-28 08:37:18 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Trump is making it up, and a president who lives in a fantasy land is unfit to hold the office.


This is what everyone needs to focus on, act on.  Of course it will never happen as the government as it is now is nearly irretrievably broken.

I wouldn't say "broken," so much as infested. Our government is infested with Republicans.


Good point, I agree completely.
 
2017-09-28 08:42:35 AM  

Armchair_Invective: Fark Troll: Hmm. I can't argue with the facts in this article so I'll make up some criticism of the article's style and attack that.


While what the article is saying is true, it is indeed being repetitive.
 
2017-09-28 08:44:56 AM  
this guy couldn't pass a prune juice smoothie
 
2017-09-28 08:52:43 AM  
Ultimately it won't matter if he has the votes or not. He's going to kill the ACA by not paying out the subsidies to the insurance companies. Repeal and\or replace is just publicity.
 
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