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(The New York Times)   "In private," Trump "admits that he is engaged in a culture war on behalf of his white, working-class base"   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2017-09-26 08:57:41 PM  
Charles Manson must be so proud
 
2017-09-26 09:01:57 PM  
So, he really isn't interested in being POTUS after all?

Nice to have that confirmed.
 
2017-09-26 09:14:26 PM  
"He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.
 
2017-09-26 09:22:50 PM  

naughtyrev: "He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.


Well Obama started the war. He was probably off playing golf the day it started too. just like he was on 9/11
 
2017-09-26 09:31:31 PM  

naughtyrev: "He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.


How exactly do you know you've won a culture war?
When all the yogurt is gone and they pry the spoon from your cold, dead hands?
 
2017-09-26 09:34:33 PM  

naughtyrev: "He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.


How the f*ck did Obama foist a culture war on Trump?

(Other than by Presidenting while Black)
 
2017-09-26 09:35:40 PM  
" "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""


And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC
 
2017-09-26 09:44:47 PM  
"Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium,"

Wrong.
 
2017-09-26 09:47:13 PM  

thorpe: " "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""

And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC


Given his life experience and the loss of his son in combat I can't begrudge his opinion there.  He also managed to state it without insulting anyone or calling for anyone to be fired.  Had Trump taken a similar tack I think it would have avoided the controversy he's now embroiled in.
 
2017-09-26 09:53:16 PM  

parasol: So, he really isn't interested in being POTUS after all?

Nice to have that confirmed.


He just wants to be POTWUS.
 
2017-09-26 09:59:35 PM  

El_Perro: naughtyrev: "He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.

How the f*ck did Obama foist a culture war on Trump?

(Other than by Presidenting while Black)


White genocide.
 
2017-09-26 10:00:04 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: thorpe: " "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""

And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC

Given his life experience and the loss of his son in combat I can't begrudge his opinion there.  He also managed to state it without insulting anyone or calling for anyone to be fired.  Had Trump taken a similar tack I think it would have avoided the controversy he's now embroiled in.


It's still 100 percent anti American
 
2017-09-26 10:05:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: TuteTibiImperes: thorpe: " "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""

And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC

Given his life experience and the loss of his son in combat I can't begrudge his opinion there.  He also managed to state it without insulting anyone or calling for anyone to be fired.  Had Trump taken a similar tack I think it would have avoided the controversy he's now embroiled in.

It's still 100 percent anti American


No, it isn't.
It's an OPINION offered by a man whose spent his life in the US military - an institution that revolves around symbols.

If we start calling other people's OPINIONS "100 percent anti-American" then aren't we also un-American?

He's allowed to opine and we to consider the source, what he brings to the table, try to understand his frame of reference and then agree or not - but un-American? don't do that, please.
 
2017-09-26 10:05:51 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: thorpe: " "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""

And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC

Given his life experience and the loss of his son in combat I can't begrudge his opinion there.  He also managed to state it without insulting anyone or calling for anyone to be fired.  Had Trump taken a similar tack I think it would have avoided the controversy he's now embroiled in.


My father lost 6 brothers and one son in wars for this country. He would support the guys kneeling.
 
2017-09-26 10:14:27 PM  

naughtyrev: TuteTibiImperes: thorpe: " "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""

And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC

Given his life experience and the loss of his son in combat I can't begrudge his opinion there.  He also managed to state it without insulting anyone or calling for anyone to be fired.  Had Trump taken a similar tack I think it would have avoided the controversy he's now embroiled in.

My father lost 6 brothers and one son in wars for this country. He would support the guys kneeling.


As is his right, and Kelly has every right to hold a contrary opinion.  I believe there's room for debate about whether or not showing unity and respect for your country through the symbolism of the anthem should come before personal disagreements about how certain things have been done (or are done) in that country, and Kelly made his point eloquently.

Trump, on the other hand, managed to make his statement in about the most divisive and inflammatory way possible, and whichever side of the issue you stand on, that should be condemned.
 
2017-09-26 10:43:53 PM  

parasol: cameroncrazy1984: TuteTibiImperes: thorpe: " "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""

And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC

Given his life experience and the loss of his son in combat I can't begrudge his opinion there.  He also managed to state it without insulting anyone or calling for anyone to be fired.  Had Trump taken a similar tack I think it would have avoided the controversy he's now embroiled in.

It's still 100 percent anti American

No, it isn't.
It's an OPINION offered by a man whose spent his life in the US military - an institution that revolves around symbols.

If we start calling other people's OPINIONS "100 percent anti-American" then aren't we also un-American?

He's allowed to opine and we to consider the source, what he brings to the table, try to understand his frame of reference and then agree or not - but un-American? don't do that, please.


That's great for the military but neither the flag nor the national anthem belong exclusively to them. It's short-sighted to ignore that.

That flag represents EVERY American. It's supposed to represent what America is or at least strives to be. The military has their role to play in that but so do ALL Americans.
 
2017-09-26 10:52:29 PM  

El_Perro: naughtyrev: "He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.

How the f*ck did Obama foist a culture war on Trump?

(Other than by Presidenting while Black)


Not knowing his place.
 
2017-09-26 11:20:09 PM  
Yet, during an interview given on a runway, Trump avowed that "I never mentioned race."
 
2017-09-26 11:42:30 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: naughtyrev: TuteTibiImperes: thorpe: " "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""

And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC

Given his life experience and the loss of his son in combat I can't begrudge his opinion there.  He also managed to state it without insulting anyone or calling for anyone to be fired.  Had Trump taken a similar tack I think it would have avoided the controversy he's now embroiled in.

My father lost 6 brothers and one son in wars for this country. He would support the guys kneeling.

As is his right, and Kelly has every right to hold a contrary opinion.  I believe there's room for debate about whether or not showing unity and respect for your country through the symbolism of the anthem should come before personal disagreements about how certain things have been done (or are done) in that country, and Kelly made his point eloquently.

Trump, on the other hand, managed to make his statement in about the most divisive and inflammatory way possible, and whichever side of the issue you stand on, that should be condemned.


This is a good object lesson in how what's considered "normal" drifts over time. John Kelly, a hard right conservative figure of the military establishment with an enthusiasm for terrorizing immigrants, is considered reasonable and respectable because he can clear the lofty bar of "able to express himself without flinging shiat or making baboon noises."

Kelly, like a lot of people in the career military culture, feels it's his place to instruct civilians when and where it's appropriate to exercise their rights. The specific matter might seem trivial. But the mindset that comes from is problematic, especially given the enthusiasm among Fark liberals for the military curbing Trump by fiat.

And if we're going by "lost a relative and is therefore an authority on what is appropriate," there's a large number of black folks who can claim that authority as well.
 
2017-09-26 11:49:40 PM  

Prey4reign: Yet, during an interview given on a runway, Trump avowed that "I never mentioned race."


He did flip the bird, though:
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2017-09-26 11:50:58 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: parasol: cameroncrazy1984: TuteTibiImperes: thorpe: " "Every American should take the three minutes or so that it takes for the national anthem to play to stand up, remove their hat, put their hand over their heart and think about the men and women that have been named, sacrificing their lives, so that song can be played in the stadium," Mr. Kelly, a former four-star Marine general, said in a statement late Monday.

"After that happens, folks should feel free to do whatever they want to do to express their opinions.""

And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy. JFC

Given his life experience and the loss of his son in combat I can't begrudge his opinion there.  He also managed to state it without insulting anyone or calling for anyone to be fired.  Had Trump taken a similar tack I think it would have avoided the controversy he's now embroiled in.

It's still 100 percent anti American

No, it isn't.
It's an OPINION offered by a man whose spent his life in the US military - an institution that revolves around symbols.

If we start calling other people's OPINIONS "100 percent anti-American" then aren't we also un-American?

He's allowed to opine and we to consider the source, what he brings to the table, try to understand his frame of reference and then agree or not - but un-American? don't do that, please.

That's great for the military but neither the flag nor the national anthem belong exclusively to them. It's short-sighted to ignore that.

That flag represents EVERY American. It's supposed to represent what America is or at least strives to be. The military has their role to play in that but so do ALL Americans.


No! Anything American that's worth anything is about the troops. The troops! Do you like flags, cotton candy, and root beer? The troops died for it. Do you like satin sheets, taco bell, or Monday night football? The troops died for that.

Literally everything you do should be a tribute to those brave men and women of the armed forces. Yes, even bowel movements in spotless porcelain toilets that the troops fought for.
 
2017-09-26 11:56:24 PM  
digging in on one side of an inflammatory issue amid praise from conservatives, and enjoying the spectacle of his critics condemning him

STIGGINIT!
 
2017-09-26 11:56:40 PM  
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*sigh*
 
2017-09-27 12:20:02 AM  
Trump has no interest whatsoever in doing anything FOR his base. None. He just wants them to foam at the mouth harder and go into more spittle-spraying rage on his behalf, because it makes him feel big and important and like he can still get boners.

That feeling -- and slurping up other peoples' money -- are his only motives in life.
 
2017-09-27 12:26:04 AM  
Mr. Trump is seldom at a loss for motives in picking a public fight, and conflict seems to soothe him in the way that it unnerves others. He loved getting a rise from the players and owners who linked arms in solidarity before Sunday's slate of football games, aides and associates said. His satisfaction was blighted only by the disapproval expressed by his friend Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots.

that's rather scary.  to have such an emotionally unstable man as leader is not good for this country, or the world.
 
2017-09-27 12:52:53 AM  

abhorrent1: Charles Manson must be so proud


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2017-09-27 01:02:32 AM  
I wonder how much longer this country can last without anyone in charge?  we're going mostly on inertia at the moment but....with trump's flubbing the disaster responses around the nation PLUS doubling down on a pointless race based slap fight on twitter with the NFL is killing the GOP's brand name.  on top of all this, trump's candidate Luther Strange got his ass kicked tonight AND the latest ACA repeal attempt is looking like its also imploding.

so this really hasn't been a great week for the Orange One.  its so bad that trump can't even pretend anymore he's popular or well liked.  now he's reduced to blaming everyone everywhere for everything.  dudes falling apart at the seams.
 
2017-09-27 01:12:25 AM  

abhorrent1: naughtyrev: "He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.

Well Obama started the war. He was probably off playing golf the day it started too. just like he was on 9/11


Obama was also playing golf when Katrina hit, when Kennedy was shot, and when Pearl Harbor was bombed. That last one was part of a ploy to plant Obama's birth certificate. Don't say anything about that, or you'll end up on the Clinton Kill List, which she kept on her private server. That's why she bleached the server. She always bleaches after wet work.
 
2017-09-27 02:15:51 AM  
Obvious tag stranded in Puerto Rico subby?
 
2017-09-27 02:20:55 AM  
I think trump is losing it. failure after failure and he's on the hook for all of it.  this is a guy who's NEVER faced any responsibility for his actions before in his entire life, and now everything is his responsibility.  its ALL on him, and he can't hand it off to anyone else.  we know the stress of being president is already pretty rough even for someone who's stable and prepared for it....but trump wasn't stable going into the office, and he was no where near ready to run this nation.

So its not outside the realm of possibility that trump might be falling apart.
 
2017-09-27 02:24:30 AM  

Weaver95: I wonder how much longer this country can last without anyone in charge?  we're going mostly on inertia at the moment but....with trump's flubbing the disaster responses around the nation PLUS doubling down on a pointless race based slap fight on twitter with the NFL is killing the GOP's brand name.  on top of all this, trump's candidate Luther Strange got his ass kicked tonight AND the latest ACA repeal attempt is looking like its also imploding.

so this really hasn't been a great week for the Orange One.  its so bad that trump can't even pretend anymore he's popular or well liked.  now he's reduced to blaming everyone everywhere for everything.  dudes falling apart at the seams.


With the current power vacuum, I figure we may get a government shutdown by the end of the year.. and it won't be temporary.  The states may eventually try to go their separate ways.
 
2017-09-27 02:26:16 AM  

davidphogan: [img.fark.net image 386x400]

*sigh*


2016:  OMG GIANT METEOR ALREADY!!!!

2017:  OMG TRUMP'S GONNA KILL US ALL!!!11


/you had one job to do, voters.
 
2017-09-27 02:26:39 AM  
Finally someone looking out for the white man
 
2017-09-27 02:28:04 AM  

Weaver95: I think trump is losing it. failure after failure and he's on the hook for all of it.  this is a guy who's NEVER faced any responsibility for his actions before in his entire life, and now everything is his responsibility.  its ALL on him, and he can't hand it off to anyone else.  we know the stress of being president is already pretty rough even for someone who's stable and prepared for it....but trump wasn't stable going into the office, and he was no where near ready to run this nation.

So its not outside the realm of possibility that trump might be falling apart.


Just imagine how he feels now after the candidate he "endorsed" lost last night.
 
2017-09-27 02:29:58 AM  
At least Nero could play the fiddle.
 
2017-09-27 02:30:25 AM  

parasol: It's an OPINION


Yes.

Specifically a 100% anti-american opinion.

... you do realize that being opposed to something is inherently an opinion, right?  And that "opinion" is not synonymous with "benign"?  If I were to say that I hated you and thought it should be legal to murder any one of your kind in the streets at whim like the dogs you all are... that would also be an opinion.

In fact, if 'your kind' happened to be 'black', that would also be our farking president's opinion, which, y'know, is a big part of the reason people are taking issue with this and why the general should have kept his fool nose out of this most recent PR clusterfark.
 
2017-09-27 02:34:26 AM  
Some of comments here show that's it's going to take a few more generations before we get the Military worship out of our systems. No other country attaches as much reverence as we do to ours.
 
2017-09-27 02:36:56 AM  

mdemon81: Some of comments here show that's it's going to take a few more generations before we get the Military worship out of our systems. No other country attaches as much reverence as we do to ours.


You tryin to take mah guns!?!?!?!
 
2017-09-27 02:38:58 AM  
My father told me today that he was going to stop watching the NFL, as they disrespect him as a former cop.
I said, "really? You think the National Anthem was being played in your honor? And you call me the crazy one?"
...no answer.
And then I said, "and their protest shoudn't upset you in the slightest if you weren't killing innocent black people when you were a cop, or harming them."
Him: "Of course I didn't do that - those incidents makes us all look bad."
Me: "Then the protest doesn't even apply to you. And you should support them in protesting the people that make you look bad."
...no answer.

But he is still not watching because "they're all millionaires, anyway."
"So is your so-called president, by his own accounts."

Aaaaand it was time to go. Logic and republicans. They do not go hand in hand.

Anyway, as for the headline... no kidding. That's been pretty obvious from day 1, though it initially just seemed to be Mexicans. What is is doing to Puerto Rico, though, is truly sickening. He's a racist fark who is going to let American citizens who faced a natural disaster on an island territory die... start a nuclear war... we narrowly escaped losing our healthcare protections... and he's literally making up shiat about what the anthem stands for.

Also, a good lot of this country could calm the fark down about "the troops" and how much they care about them until they want to ensure they have proper health care (physical and mental) and are only sent to war if absolutely necessary, with a clear and concise plan to go in, do the job, and get out.  Oh, no... that would be work, though. Much easier to yell at the NFL and put a "support the troops" sticker on your car, yelling at anyone that doesn't call a local veteran to thank them before eating a grilled cheese sandwich of freedom.
 
2017-09-27 02:39:50 AM  

mdemon81: Some of comments here show that's it's going to take a few more generations before we get the Military worship out of our systems. No other country attaches as much reverence as we do to ours.


I think North Korea does.
 
2017-09-27 02:43:17 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Just imagine how he feels now after the candidate he "endorsed" lost last night.


oh trump is already deleting those comments from twitter.  its....not going so well.
 
2017-09-27 02:45:16 AM  

El_Perro: naughtyrev: "He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.

How the f*ck did Obama foist a culture war on Trump?

(Other than by Presidenting while Black)


You just answered your own question

/fine people
 
2017-09-27 02:47:38 AM  

Weaver95: Mrtraveler01: Just imagine how he feels now after the candidate he "endorsed" lost last night.

oh trump is already deleting those comments from twitter.  its....not going so well.


He's a thin skinned pussy.
 
2017-09-27 02:47:44 AM  

serpent_sky: mdemon81: Some of comments here show that's it's going to take a few more generations before we get the Military worship out of our systems. No other country attaches as much reverence as we do to ours.

I think North Korea does.


Oh no. They worship the Kim dynasty. They fear the military.
 
2017-09-27 02:50:26 AM  
parasol:

If we start calling other people's OPINIONS "100 percent anti-American" then aren't we also un-American?

No. Compulsory symbolic acts and forced displays of patriotism are absolutely incompatible with western/democratic values. If anything is 'Un-American' then it is this.
 
2017-09-27 02:50:29 AM  

orangehat: Weaver95: Mrtraveler01: Just imagine how he feels now after the candidate he "endorsed" lost last night.

oh trump is already deleting those comments from twitter.  its....not going so well.

He's a thin skinned pussy.


bad enough that trump is weak, vain, arrogant and rather stupid.  worse that he's managed to weaken this country and convince our enemies abroad that now is an excellent time to strike at the United States.  Trump can't even handle the NFL without getting his ass kicked.  how's he supposed to handle a legitimate crisis?  badly, if Puerto Rico is any indication.  piling a couple of terror attacks on top of an economic and/or military disaster would be enough to shatter trump's fragile sanity for sure.
 
2017-09-27 02:50:35 AM  

naughtyrev: "He believes the war was foisted upon him by former President Barack Obama and other Democrats - and he is determined to win, current and former aides said."

Christ, everything is Obama's fault to him.


Doesn't winning just mean he's racist af
 
2017-09-27 02:52:10 AM  

thorpe: And Kelly's supposed to be the sane, reasonable guy.


He is the "sane, reasonable guy."
 
2017-09-27 02:56:12 AM  
Where is this sentiment coming from?

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I just can't seem to understand why he'd think this way...

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I mean, it must have come from somewhere...

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I dunno.  I guess we'll find out eventually.
 
2017-09-27 03:03:34 AM  
obvious tag would have sufficed, subs
 
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