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(The New York Times)   The electoral college has become the tyrannical minority and their wrath is costing us all   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2017-09-25 10:55:45 PM  
Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.
 
2017-09-25 10:59:49 PM  

Loose_Cannon: Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.


I don't think anyone's going to take someone who uses "leftward" seriously.

And in the two times it's happened, when has it not ended in disaster?
 
2017-09-25 11:08:33 PM  

Loose_Cannon: Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.


Huh...and when we elected the first black president what did your side do?


Oh yeah....years and years of Birtherism.

So...sure.  We'll plead guilty to wanting majority of actual people to elect the president.  And you can plead guilty to trying to add the '*but not a black one.'
 
2017-09-25 11:10:39 PM  
Well then, change the constitution and we can be rid of this once and for all.
 
2017-09-25 11:27:30 PM  

Loose_Cannon: Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.


Yes, I too remember the times when the Democrat lost the popular vote but was still elected President, because I'm 200 years old and also profoundly mentally challenged.
 
2017-09-25 11:28:37 PM  
To be fair, its only 3/5ths of a tyrannical minority
 
2017-09-26 12:18:51 AM  
Don't blame the electoral college, blame the electorate.
 
2017-09-26 12:19:43 AM  
Democrats had it figured out for decades until the Clintons showed up.

Just sayin'.
 
2017-09-26 12:20:09 AM  
I'm against the EC!
Unless they rule in my favor next time, then I'm cool with it.
 
2017-09-26 12:20:20 AM  

Loose_Cannon: Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.


Because when leftists win, they win the actual popular vote. In fact, the President who passed some of the most 'socialist' policies in American history also won four Presidential elections.
 
2017-09-26 12:20:59 AM  

Loose_Cannon: Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.


Why do you aggressive sh*theads always come screaming out of the gate with garbage like this but somehow or another you've got a decade old login?

Whatever. Get in the bin with the rest
 
2017-09-26 12:21:47 AM  
It's no Yale.
 
2017-09-26 12:24:39 AM  

Charletron: Don't blame the electoral college, blame the electorate.


For the ninety million or so people who didn't vote, how's that working out for you?
 
2017-09-26 12:24:44 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Democrats had it figured out for decades until the Clintons showed up.the GOP decided that making deals with our enemies to undercut Democrats, or outright tampering with the election process was acceptable.

Just sayin'.


FTFY. Nixon was the trial run, Reagan was the first big success, GWB was another, and now we have Donald Trump as yet another example.

Republicans have no ethics or morals; they will do whatever they can get away with to win, and to make themselves and their donors wealthier.
 
2017-09-26 12:25:45 AM  

Loose_Cannon: Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.


Funny how the right-tards can't remember every single election since 1960 when we've had this discussion.
 
2017-09-26 12:25:45 AM  
Not a mention of Hillary.
 
2017-09-26 12:28:28 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Loose_Cannon: Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.

Why do you aggressive sh*theads always come screaming out of the gate with garbage like this but somehow or another you've got a decade old login?

Whatever. Get in the bin with the rest


Basket
 
2017-09-26 12:28:46 AM  

spamdog: Not a mention of Hillary.


Because this is a root issue with how we conduct our politics. We're basically becoming a urbanized majority being ruled by a suburban/rural minority. What happens in a lot of states without overwhelmingly massive (by raw population and partisanship) cities is happening in the country at large now.
 
2017-09-26 12:28:52 AM  

LordJiro: Republicans Politicians have no ethics or morals; they will do whatever they can get away with to win, and to make themselves and their donors wealthier.


FTFY
 
2017-09-26 12:29:28 AM  

spamdog: Not a mention of Hillary.


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2017-09-26 12:30:27 AM  
FTFA This is Michelle Goldberg's debut column

farm4.staticflickr.com

/tired arguments are tired
 
2017-09-26 12:30:56 AM  
Well this thread is headed in several exceedingly stupid directions at once after only 16 posts. Good jerb.
 
2017-09-26 12:36:34 AM  

gingerjet: LordJiro: Republicans Politicians have no ethics or morals; they will do whatever they can get away with to win, and to make themselves and their donors wealthier.

FTFY


Found the republican.
 
2017-09-26 12:38:57 AM  
A vote in Wyoming is worth four times that of vote in California or New York.

The EC is literally affirmative action for rocks, sand, and tumbleweeds.
 
2017-09-26 12:40:43 AM  
I'd be all for permabans whenever anyone both sides are bad. Either that have them shot in the dick and i'll give myself a paper cut.
 
2017-09-26 12:40:57 AM  
To the asshole who downvoted this thing: fark you

Comprehensive electoral reform is what our country needs.

Not just getting rid of the EC, but designing a system that is more fair to everyone
 
2017-09-26 12:42:21 AM  

gingerjet: LordJiro: Republicans Politicians have no ethics or morals; they will do whatever they can get away with to win, and to make themselves and their donors wealthier.

FTFY


That is a lie and you are a liar for saying that.

Maybe all the politicians you vote for end up being immoral shiatbags, but that's just the price you pay when you vote Republican.
 
2017-09-26 12:51:11 AM  

Charletron: Don't blame the electoral college, blame the electorate.


R5D4: A vote in Wyoming is worth four times that of vote in California or New York.

The EC is literally affirmative action for rocks, sand, and tumbleweeds.


The problem with the electoral college isn't the law, it's the political tribalism. The fact that it failed us isn't because of the framework it was because of the electors.

Which would be true if we lived in a full fledged democracy in a one man one vote scenario but we don't. We have a republic, as long as we can keep it.

/Ben Franklin
//greatest Pensylvanian
 
2017-09-26 01:02:32 AM  

cman: To the asshole who downvoted this thing: fark you

Comprehensive electoral reform is what our country needs.

Not just getting rid of the EC, but designing a system that is more fair to everyone


Mixed Member Proportional System.

Works very well.
 
2017-09-26 01:06:42 AM  
I wish I could see who voted this smart, so I could tag them too.

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2017-09-26 01:09:36 AM  

R5D4: A vote in Wyoming is worth four times that of vote in California or New York.

The EC is literally affirmative action for rocks, sand, and tumbleweeds.


And a democratic vote in Wyoming or a republican vote in California are rendered useless thanks to the EC.

Sadly, I have people I know that didn't vote because 'Michigan has gone blue for 20 years'. That type of EC imposes learned helplessness is part of what got us here.
 
2017-09-26 01:13:21 AM  
The nice part is that it pushes some states further to the left, which ironically farks the people in the red states way more than those of us in the blue states.  My state/local taxes could be lower if I lived elsewhere, but then I'd live in a low rent shiathole.  I mean, other than the low rent shiathole that I literally live in since Portland is kind of expensive.

I guess having low unemployment, rising wages, no sales tax, and a D controlled state government should make us some kind of hellhole, but we seem to be okay, even if getting a bit pricey.

The funniest point is so many people from here are moving to Boise and Phoenix because they're cheaper that they'll probably turn Idaho and Arizona blue in a decade or so.
 
2017-09-26 01:15:12 AM  
Vice News recently did a segment on Redmap, the conservative electoral map-engineering machine they've created since Obama's election. The changes in the last ten years have been astounding, permitting the GOP to deny hundreds of seats to democrat representatives by "stacking" their own folks and "cracking" cities and minority neighborhoods out of representation in the current electoral system.

I'd highly encourage anyone who wants to learn more about how gerrymandering led us to this threat to our democracy to look up this segment, or set your dvr to record it if you have access to HBO on cable.
 
2017-09-26 01:17:34 AM  

davidphogan: The nice part is that it pushes some states further to the left, which ironically farks the people in the red states way more than those of us in the blue states.  My state/local taxes could be lower if I lived elsewhere, but then I'd live in a low rent shiathole.  I mean, other than the low rent shiathole that I literally live in since Portland is kind of expensive.

I guess having low unemployment, rising wages, no sales tax, and a D controlled state government should make us some kind of hellhole, but we seem to be okay, even if getting a bit pricey.

The funniest point is so many people from here are moving to Boise and Phoenix because they're cheaper that they'll probably turn Idaho and Arizona blue in a decade or so.


Dont forget texas
 
2017-09-26 01:18:24 AM  
If the electoral college is just a rubber stamp of the election results, might as well get rid of it as it's a useless anachronism. They had their chance, they could have denied trump office because of his obvious mental and emotional shortcomings, but they didn't. If it doesn't supply judgment or wisdom it serves no purpose.
 
2017-09-26 01:21:00 AM  

MichiganFTL: And a democratic vote in Wyoming


I can't believe that nobody has thought of a way to move a bunch of California retirees to Wyoming so they an rent out their Prop 13 protected houses while they vote D in Wyoming.  They'd have to live in a Republican controlled state for one or two election cycles, then boom, they just stole Wyoming!

It's like taking Yatutsk, but less strategic.  Buy hey, Colorado is next door!  And Utah is probably a polite neighbor.
 
2017-09-26 01:22:01 AM  

Charletron: davidphogan: The nice part is that it pushes some states further to the left, which ironically farks the people in the red states way more than those of us in the blue states.  My state/local taxes could be lower if I lived elsewhere, but then I'd live in a low rent shiathole.  I mean, other than the low rent shiathole that I literally live in since Portland is kind of expensive.

I guess having low unemployment, rising wages, no sales tax, and a D controlled state government should make us some kind of hellhole, but we seem to be okay, even if getting a bit pricey.

The funniest point is so many people from here are moving to Boise and Phoenix because they're cheaper that they'll probably turn Idaho and Arizona blue in a decade or so.

Dont forget texas


One of them just moved out from next door.  His dog was awesome, both in size and personality.  Texas to Oregon back to Texas.
 
2017-09-26 01:33:58 AM  

BlueDWarrior: spamdog: Not a mention of Hillary.

Because this is a root issue with how we conduct our politics. We're basically becoming a urbanized majority being ruled by a suburban/rural minority. What happens in a lot of states without overwhelmingly massive (by raw population and partisanship) cities is happening in the country at large now.


So we should be a majority-rule nation? One in which minorities will always be minorities and have zero power and zero influence? We have a Two-Party system as it stands now, what is the alternative?
 
Ant
2017-09-26 01:46:06 AM  
Well that was farking depressing. I couldn't finish. I really hope she's wrong about 2018.
 
2017-09-26 02:09:36 AM  
While were at it:

Can we do away with Iowa having a way oversized influence in the primary election.

Iowa does not represent the nation's makeup.

I argue Texas would be a very good place to have the nation's first primary.
 
2017-09-26 02:21:25 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: So we should be a majority-rule nation? One in which minorities will always be minorities and have zero power and zero influence? We have a Two-Party system as it stands now, what is the alternative?


My 3 step plan:
1. Campaign finance reform
2. End gerrymandering
3. Ranked voting
 
2017-09-26 02:27:09 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: BlueDWarrior: spamdog: Not a mention of Hillary.

Because this is a root issue with how we conduct our politics. We're basically becoming a urbanized majority being ruled by a suburban/rural minority. What happens in a lot of states without overwhelmingly massive (by raw population and partisanship) cities is happening in the country at large now.

So we should be a majority-rule nation? One in which minorities will always be minorities and have zero power and zero influence? We have a Two-Party system as it stands now, what is the alternative?


The idea that the minority should rule the majority because that's somehow fairer is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read. The minority will have power proportional to their size, why should they get more at the expense of the majority? It doesn't make sense, especially because we have several levels of government and they're advantaged already at lower levels of government, not to mention the extremely conservative rules of the legislature.
 
2017-09-26 02:28:21 AM  

LordJiro: Ow! That was my feelings!: Democrats had it figured out for decades until the Clintons showed up.the GOP decided that making deals with our enemies to undercut Democrats, or outright tampering with the election process was acceptable.

Just sayin'.

FTFY. Nixon was the trial run, Reagan was the first big success, GWB was another, and now we have Donald Trump as yet another example.

Republicans have no ethics or morals; they will do whatever they can get away with to win, and to make themselves and their donors wealthier.


This time around their methodology is so extreme that Attainder must be obtained.

Maximum Attainder.
 
2017-09-26 02:35:08 AM  

Loose_Cannon: Funny how this issue only comes up when the leftards lose.


news.vice.com
 
2017-09-26 02:43:05 AM  

LordJiro: Republicans have no ethics or morals; they will do whatever they can get away with to win, and to make themselves and their donors wealthier.


Possibly more accurate to say that those are their ethics/morals.
 
2017-09-26 02:47:01 AM  

JulieAzel626: While were at it:

Can we do away with Iowa having a way oversized influence in the primary election.

Iowa does not represent the nation's makeup.

I argue Texas would be a very good place to have the nation's first primary.


Primary elections are dubious.  At least closed primaries, anyway.
 
2017-09-26 03:33:01 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: So we should be a majority-rule nation? One in which minorities will always be minorities and have zero power and zero influence?


You're right!  Vermin Supreme should be the President! I want my pony!
 
2017-09-26 03:37:48 AM  

Duke of Madness Motors: the money is in the banana stand: BlueDWarrior: spamdog: Not a mention of Hillary.

Because this is a root issue with how we conduct our politics. We're basically becoming a urbanized majority being ruled by a suburban/rural minority. What happens in a lot of states without overwhelmingly massive (by raw population and partisanship) cities is happening in the country at large now.

So we should be a majority-rule nation? One in which minorities will always be minorities and have zero power and zero influence? We have a Two-Party system as it stands now, what is the alternative?

The idea that the minority should rule the majority because that's somehow fairer is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read. The minority will have power proportional to their size, why should they get more at the expense of the majority? It doesn't make sense, especially because we have several levels of government and they're advantaged already at lower levels of government, not to mention the extremely conservative rules of the legislature.


I totally agree. The trick is ensuring that minority groups and points of view have adequate protections. Unfortunately, in a majority-rule system, the needs and wants of the majority always outweigh and take precedence over the minority. Our current political system is a Two-Party system trying to effectively manage a very diverse populace. That diversity also includes rural versus urban politics. While the two groups tend to have vastly different needs and perspectives, we must figure out how to coexist in a society, particularly one in which the benefits of any one group are not done at the expense of another.
 
2017-09-26 03:58:38 AM  
Gerrymandering and voter suppression work, they're increasing rapidly, and no one is doing anything to stop them. Game over. We're farked.
 
2017-09-26 04:08:20 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: JulieAzel626: While were at it:

Can we do away with Iowa having a way oversized influence in the primary election.

Iowa does not represent the nation's makeup.

I argue Texas would be a very good place to have the nation's first primary.

Primary elections are dubious.  At least closed primaries, anyway.


Off hand I think a good compromise would be have primaries in batches of 4. Try to match electoral college vote totals so they're nearly the same totals from the previous presidential election. 3 red one blue, 2 red two blue etc
 
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