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(Salon)   Rapper and flat earth truther B.o.B. is starting a Go Fund Me to try and prove a logical fallacy is true   ( salon.com) divider line
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2017-09-25 11:49:49 PM  
The site says that the donations will go towards the purchase and launch of multiple satellites

Or you could, you know, charter a plane and fly to the edge to take some pictures.
 
2017-09-26 12:36:00 AM  
Who?
 
2017-09-26 12:43:24 AM  
Why are we giving this illiterate d!ck any attention at all.
 
2017-09-26 01:49:54 AM  
So Biggie and Tupac end up with acute lead poisoning, but this guy just keeps showing up time after time...and nothing.
There is no justice.
 
2017-09-26 02:03:25 AM  
Didn't I see something about a reality TV show following flat-earthers trying to find the edge of the earth?
 
2017-09-26 03:17:46 AM  
Wait, wait, wait. He wants to put satellites into orbit to prove that the earth is flat?

I can find no words to express how stupid this is.
 
2017-09-26 03:21:33 AM  

SirSigsegV: Wait, wait, wait. He wants to put satellites into orbit to prove that the earth is flat?

I can find no words to express how stupid this is.


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2017-09-26 03:25:47 AM  
I remember when I used to think it was only a matter of time before the internet and the easily accessible information it provides would usher in a new age of science based logic and reasoning.

instead we got a new wave of flat earthers, anti vaccers, global warming deniers, words like "Scientism", and conspiracy theorists.

I went from being hopeful about the future to being absolutely terrified.
 
2017-09-26 03:28:09 AM  

optikeye: Who?


This guy:

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2017-09-26 03:40:42 AM  
Instead of wasting money on satellites, why doesn't he just save money and tie a camera to a balloon? It should be pretty easy to take a picture of that stack of turtles. It's not like they're going anywhere.
 
2017-09-26 03:41:33 AM  
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2017-09-26 03:43:42 AM  
Flat Earther Truthers vs Hollow Earth Truthers. Fights To Death.

www.gofundme.com/UltimateEartherFights
 
2017-09-26 03:50:02 AM  

log_jammin: I remember when I used to think it was only a matter of time before the internet and the easily accessible information it provides would usher in a new age of science based logic and reasoning.

instead we got a new wave of flat earthers, anti vaccers, global warming deniers, words like "Scientism", and conspiracy theorists.

I went from being hopeful about the future to being absolutely terrified.


That is the double-edged sword of the Internet. It allows you to throw out as much data as you want to, and you let people's own biases take over and mold it into something that fits their own mindset neatly.

What we've realized about humanity is that they are much more into continuing their own internal biases than learning the 'objective truth'.
 
2017-09-26 03:58:20 AM  
Stupid person is stupid. News at 11.
 
2017-09-26 04:03:07 AM  
I can't help but notice that there isn't a "Round Earth Society".
 
2017-09-26 04:04:45 AM  
You know, I haven't actually looked in Consumer Reports to learn what satellites cost, but I got a feeling that they cost more than $200,000.

But what do I know, I'm one of those silly people who thinks the earth is round.
 
2017-09-26 04:05:45 AM  

BlueDWarrior: That is the double-edged sword of the Internet. It allows you to throw out as much data as you want to, and you let people's own biases take over and mold it into something that fits their own mindset neatly.


unfortunately, that's what I've come to realize.

BlueDWarrior: What we've realized about humanity is that they are much more into continuing their own internal biases than learning the 'objective truth'.


and that was my mistake. I assumed I was like most people and everyone else wanted to know the 'objective truth', and failed to realize that most people would rather live with a comfortable lie rather than an inconvenient truth.
 
2017-09-26 04:06:20 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: I can't help but notice that there isn't a "Round Earth Society".


there is. but the name is pronounced "science".
 
2017-09-26 04:10:25 AM  
"She's flat like your head!" - Bugs Bunny - "Hare We Go" - Christopher Columbus
Youtube TBv3_0j0y_4
 
2017-09-26 04:17:18 AM  

wildcardjack: [img.fark.net image 425x239]


I don't see any turtles holding the thing up.

/all the way down.
 
2017-09-26 04:17:45 AM  
How many satellites can you buy for $200,000 ?
 
2017-09-26 04:22:46 AM  

spiralscratch: wildcardjack: [img.fark.net image 425x239]

I don't see any turtles holding the thing up.

/all the way down.


That's because the elephants are in the way.
 
2017-09-26 04:23:50 AM  
Since dude in the article has been covered, I just wanted to point out that logical fallacy is not a synonym for "wrong," subby.
 
2017-09-26 04:30:53 AM  

BlueDWarrior: log_jammin: I remember when I used to think it was only a matter of time before the internet and the easily accessible information it provides would usher in a new age of science based logic and reasoning.

instead we got a new wave of flat earthers, anti vaccers, global warming deniers, words like "Scientism", and conspiracy theorists.

I went from being hopeful about the future to being absolutely terrified.

That is the double-edged sword of the Internet. It allows you to throw out as much data as you want to, and you let people's own biases take over and mold it into something that fits their own mindset neatly.

What we've realized about humanity is that they are much more into continuing their own internal biases than learning the 'objective truth'.


Most of them, anyway.
 
2017-09-26 04:36:19 AM  

Sydney Bridges: How many satellites can you buy for $200,000 ?


.01
 
2017-09-26 04:41:12 AM  

Glitchwerks: You know, I haven't actually looked in Consumer Reports to learn what satellites cost, but I got a feeling that they cost more than $200,000.

But what do I know, I'm one of those silly people who thinks the earth is round.


It's not so much the cost of the item as the delivery charge.

Russian rockets ain't cheap inexpensive.
 
2017-09-26 04:59:19 AM  

farkyourface: Sydney Bridges: How many satellites can you buy for $200,000 ?

.01


So just the charger? This could take a while. $220 is a good start though <snort>
 
2017-09-26 05:16:35 AM  
What is it with the recent crop of black people thinking the world is flat? Or at least asserting it. Is it a thing about black crazy being a generation out of date from white crazy?
 
2017-09-26 05:16:58 AM  
BoB is financially well off, so he can afford a trip to Antarctica.  If no tour group will take him there then he will have confirmed a major part of FE dogma. On the other hand, if he goes and observes midnight sun, then the usual FE model will be shown to be false as it predicts midnight sun in the Arctic, but not in the South.

He could also buy a small telescope.  And do note that a Nikon P900 or any similar camera is not a telescope. He can verify that when properly focused. that one can observe the phases of Venus which is something that FE vehemently  deny.

He could arrange to have multiple observers scattered though the world to observe the next equinox.  They should note the direction of the Sun at sunrise and sunset as well as the times of sunrise and sunset.  This alone will disprove the usual FE model.
 
2017-09-26 05:18:54 AM  

fusillade762: The site says that the donations will go towards the purchase and launch of multiple satellites

Or you could, you know, charter a plane and fly to the edge to take some pictures.


Do you want to get shot down by the CIA's Predator Drones? Because that's how you get shot down by the CIA's Predator Drones.
 
2017-09-26 05:20:37 AM  
Would it not be cheaper to pay for a high hill, a horizon and some trigonometry lessons?
 
2017-09-26 05:23:31 AM  

log_jammin: I remember when I used to think it was only a matter of time before the internet and the easily accessible information it provides would usher in a new age of science based logic and reasoning.

instead we got a new wave of flat earthers, anti vaccers, global warming deniers, words like "Scientism", and conspiracy theorists.

I went from being hopeful about the future to being absolutely terrified.


The world wide web has only been around for about two decades. So internconnected-humanity is in the rebellious know-it-all college student phase. It's like when you first drop acid (or the internet version - conspiracy websites) and you think you just figured out everything and can't believe how the rest of the world doesn't see it too. Hopefully we'll grow out of it.
 
2017-09-26 05:34:51 AM  

farkyourface: Sydney Bridges: How many satellites can you buy for $200,000 ?

.01


Have not been paying attention to space for the last several years have you?  They now got things called cubesats. Basically it is a very tiny satellite. A single launch puts up a bunch of them at once.  $200k is doable, if he competent people.  Of course no FEer is competent. But they launch one for under $50K. They would still need to build it. As I doubt they need it to do much, they probably make the cheapest on ever. (Of course a cubsat is not going to be a communications relay, weather satellite, spy satellite, etc. as it is, well, small.)

Of course the whole thing is moot, as FEers will call anything even remotely related to space to be a hoax. So whatever experiment they put up in their cubesat, they will never believe the results.
 
2017-09-26 05:51:56 AM  
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2017-09-26 06:17:02 AM  
$200k seems like an awful lot for something Eratosthenes did with a couple of sticks and some walking.
 
2017-09-26 06:33:32 AM  
To believe earth is flat, you first have to ignore all evidences it's not.
 
2017-09-26 06:34:02 AM  
FTA: B.o.B. has raised a solid $220 thus far, but let's hope he can secure the rest of the funds so he can launch his navy of satellites, at last see the curvature of our beautiful blue marble himself and move on in peace.

Author doesn't understand how science denial works.
 
2017-09-26 06:36:18 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: $200k seems like an awful lot for something Eratosthenes did with a couple of sticks and some walking.


How could that possibly work?  He obviously fudged the data, he's was a corporate tool of big globe.
 
2017-09-26 06:46:08 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: $200k seems like an awful lot for something Eratosthenes did with a couple of sticks and some walking.


Oddly enough,it is a myth that Eratosthenes showed that the world is a sphere.  That was extremely old news at the time.  What he did was give the first good estimate of the size of the Earth.

If one assumes the Earth is flat, then one can use trig to measure the Sun.  We know the estimate will be wrong because, well, the Earth is not flat and the Sun is not a few thousand miles away.


Eratosthenes in his calculation assumed that the Sun was far enough away that its rays would be nearly parallel.  With that you can use basic geometry to calculate the size of the Earth.  His assumption can be shown to be true by observing the equinox: the Sun rises due East for everyone on the equinox. This is impossible if the Earth is flat, or if the Sun is extremely close.
 
2017-09-26 06:48:33 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: f one assumes the Earth is flat, then one can use trig to measure the Sun.


Measure the distance to the Sun.

/This is what I get for posting after getting up to early being unable to sleep in spite of being tired.
 
2017-09-26 07:47:55 AM  
Last week the rapper launched a GoFundMe page in an effort to raise $200,000 to help "B.o.B. find the curve!" ...B.o.B. has raised a solid $220 thus far, but let's hope he can secure the rest of the funds so he can launch his navy of satellites, at last see the curvature of our beautiful blue marble himself and move on in peace.

While he could put up a CubeSat or two for that money, might I suggest that his cash would be better spent on a high-altitude weather balloon with a good camera. In the event he was even able to get someone who knows what they're doing to build his CubeSat, the act of launching the thing means handing it over to someone who works for "big space," so of course all the results will be suspect.

The weather balloon is good for two reasons: First, he can babysit the payload more-or-less up until the moment of launch, so that the images are not suspect. Second, near as I can figure his entire argument for a flat earth has consisted of posting crappy cellphone photos that people take from airplanes and mountains on Instagram and then complaining that he can't see the curvature of the earth. Having multiple photos that he took with his own equipment every 10,000 ft from 30,000 ft to 100,000 ft is actually a very scientific way to prove "Oh, I guess you need to be slightly higher to see the curvature of the earth."

My opinion and expectations of B.o.B. are very low, but the weather balloon thing could actually be a perfect teachable moment if he gets someone very, very patient to help him work on it.
 
2017-09-26 07:57:07 AM  
That's not really a logical fallacy, just an incorrect belief.

But hey I took Logic 101 freshmen year too and wanted to use my new big vocabulary words to sound smrt.
 
2017-09-26 07:58:07 AM  
do FE folks think all the planets are flat as well or only earth ?

i mean we have pictures and everything. Im assuming they call them hoaxes ?
 
2017-09-26 07:58:26 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Instead of wasting money on satellites, why doesn't he just save money and tie a camera to a balloon? It should be pretty easy to take a picture of that stack of turtles. It's not like they're going anywhere.


Why?  All that will happen is it'll choke a deer and some dickwad will post about it on Facebook.
 
2017-09-26 07:59:32 AM  

padraig: To believe earth is flat, you first have to ignore all evidences it's not.


This.  According to this article, some were using the recent eclipse (as if those have never happened before) as proof that the Earth is flat, basically by ignoring, well, everything.  And using a "test" akin to the "small fire in chicken wire cage" used to "debunk" 9/11.
 
2017-09-26 08:02:56 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: Last week the rapper launched a GoFundMe page in an effort to raise $200,000 to help "B.o.B. find the curve!" ...B.o.B. has raised a solid $220 thus far, but let's hope he can secure the rest of the funds so he can launch his navy of satellites, at last see the curvature of our beautiful blue marble himself and move on in peace.

While he could put up a CubeSat or two for that money, might I suggest that his cash would be better spent on a high-altitude weather balloon with a good camera. In the event he was even able to get someone who knows what they're doing to build his CubeSat, the act of launching the thing means handing it over to someone who works for "big space," so of course all the results will be suspect.

The weather balloon is good for two reasons: First, he can babysit the payload more-or-less up until the moment of launch, so that the images are not suspect. Second, near as I can figure his entire argument for a flat earth has consisted of posting crappy cellphone photos that people take from airplanes and mountains on Instagram and then complaining that he can't see the curvature of the earth. Having multiple photos that he took with his own equipment every 10,000 ft from 30,000 ft to 100,000 ft is actually a very scientific way to prove "Oh, I guess you need to be slightly higher to see the curvature of the earth."

My opinion and expectations of B.o.B. are very low, but the weather balloon thing could actually be a perfect teachable moment if he gets someone very, very patient to help him work on it.


Another option is flying Little Rock, AR to San Diego, CA....done that a few times and I can assure y'all that the curvature of the Earth is able to be seen from a window seat.
 
2017-09-26 08:08:20 AM  
I'm still waiting to hear what the payoff is for this grand conspiracy . Even if we entertain the notion that there is a world wide hoax to hide the truth the world is flat, what is the benefit? I'm serious, what's the supposed payoff for a multi-century world wide conspiracy?
 
2017-09-26 08:09:37 AM  

StopDaddy: I'm still waiting to hear what the payoff is for this grand conspiracy . Even if we entertain the notion that there is a world wide hoax to hide the truth the world is flat, what is the benefit? I'm serious, what's the supposed payoff for a multi-century world wide conspiracy?


tree fiddy
 
2017-09-26 08:45:45 AM  

Glitchwerks: You know, I haven't actually looked in Consumer Reports to learn what satellites cost, but I got a feeling that they cost more than $200,000.

But what do I know, I'm one of those silly people who thinks the earth is round.


The satellites are relatively inexpensive. Launching them is somewhat more costly.  And then, of course, you need to communicate with them, which requires knowing where they are.  That step may be beyond our hero's mental capabilities.
 
2017-09-26 09:14:21 AM  

fusillade762: The site says that the donations will go towards the purchase and launch of multiple satellites

Or you could, you know, charter a plane and fly to the edge to take some pictures.


How about a kickstarter so he can take some college science classes?
 
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