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(Daily Express)   White House says it's 'absurd' to suggest that the U.S. has declared war on North Korea because we've always been at war with North Korea (possible nsfw content on page)   ( express.co.uk) divider line
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2017-09-25 03:19:34 PM  
Technically, not true.  We've only been at war with North Korea since 1950.  For almost 2 years after the country was founded in 1948, and the start of the Korean War in 1950, we weren't at war with them.
 
2017-09-25 03:35:17 PM  
No take backs.
 
2017-09-25 03:36:54 PM  
Only Congress can declare war.

FAKE NEWS
 
2017-09-25 03:38:35 PM  

make me some tea: Only Congress can declare war.

FAKE NEWS


"Well you see Mr. Unhinged dictator with nuclear weapons technically Mr. Trump doesn't have the authority to... Okay I'll just leave then."
 
2017-09-25 03:45:35 PM  

make me some tea: Only Congress can declare war.

FAKE NEWS


Yes, *BUT* according to the War Powers Act, passed by Congress and signed into law in 1973 after two major undeclared wars (Korea and Vietnam), the president can initiate military hostilities without Congressional approval, and can keep them in theater and fighting for up to 60 days without Congressional approval.
 
2017-09-25 03:47:14 PM  
Also, interestingly, the President can veto a declaration of war by Congress.  I should have known that, but it's never happened before and quite frankly, probably never will happen, but it's part of the President's inherent veto power.

And of course, Congress can over-ride that veto.
 
2017-09-25 03:53:47 PM  
We have always been at war with Eastasia
 
2017-09-25 04:06:17 PM  
"It's never appropriate for a country to shoot down another countries aircraft when it is in international waters"

Yes it is, darling, they do it in war all the time.
 
2017-09-25 05:43:36 PM  
Honest question: short of somehow taking Trump's phone (and thus Twitter) and not allowing him to speak, how do we avoid a full blown war here?  I can't see either one giving an inch here until a lot of people are injured or dead. And Trump doesn't listen to anyone, and while reverse psychology seems to work on him, that's a hell of a gamble when it comes to potential nuclear war.
 
2017-09-25 06:07:27 PM  

make me some tea: Only Congress can declare war.

FAKE NEWS


So fake the link appears to be farked.
 
2017-09-25 06:21:56 PM  
I love Bigly Brother
 
2017-09-25 06:22:16 PM  

serpent_sky: Honest question: short of somehow taking Trump's phone (and thus Twitter) and not allowing him to speak, how do we avoid a full blown war here?  I can't see either one giving an inch here until a lot of people are injured or dead. And Trump doesn't listen to anyone, and while reverse psychology seems to work on him, that's a hell of a gamble when it comes to potential nuclear war.


You're assuming that avoiding war is the best option here.
 
2017-09-25 06:24:12 PM  

dittybopper: We've only been at war with North Korea since 1950.


Technically, even that's not true, since no formal declaration of war by the United States was ever issued.
 
2017-09-25 06:27:46 PM  
It's absurd to submit links with autoplay video too, but here we are...
 
2017-09-25 06:28:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "It's never appropriate for a country to shoot down another countries aircraft when it is in international waters"

Yes it is, darling, they do it in war all the time.


If a plane is in international waters, it's already been shot down.

Or it's a seaplane, but that might be some kind of ruse.
 
2017-09-25 06:29:25 PM  

FortyHams: make me some tea: Only Congress can declare war.

FAKE NEWS

"Well you see Mr. Unhinged dictator with nuclear weapons technically Mr. Trump doesn't have the authority to... Okay I'll just leave then."


Trump does have authority to authorize a nuke strike. The only way to "take away" that authority in the moment is if a series of Defense Secretaries resign, refusing to authenticate the order. And you know Trump is itching to use that gold phone.
 
2017-09-25 06:29:41 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: dittybopper: We've only been at war with North Korea since 1950.

Technically, even that's not true, since no formal declaration of war by the United States was ever issued.


I believe "Police action" is what we called it.  Same for Vietnam.
 
2017-09-25 06:29:59 PM  

Mouser: serpent_sky: Honest question: short of somehow taking Trump's phone (and thus Twitter) and not allowing him to speak, how do we avoid a full blown war here?  I can't see either one giving an inch here until a lot of people are injured or dead. And Trump doesn't listen to anyone, and while reverse psychology seems to work on him, that's a hell of a gamble when it comes to potential nuclear war.

You're assuming that avoiding war is the best option here.


That's like assuming the sun will rise in the east tomorriw morning.
 
2017-09-25 06:34:06 PM  

JDAT: rzrwiresunrise: dittybopper: We've only been at war with North Korea since 1950.

Technically, even that's not true, since no formal declaration of war by the United States was ever issued.

I believe "Police action" is what we called it.  Same for Vietnam.


If I'm not mistaken, WWII was the last war we formally declared. Kinda scary, considering all the military actions we've been in since.
 
2017-09-25 06:34:53 PM  
America is at war with itself.  The Coup is almost complete.
 
2017-09-25 06:35:19 PM  

Mouser: serpent_sky: Honest question: short of somehow taking Trump's phone (and thus Twitter) and not allowing him to speak, how do we avoid a full blown war here?  I can't see either one giving an inch here until a lot of people are injured or dead. And Trump doesn't listen to anyone, and while reverse psychology seems to work on him, that's a hell of a gamble when it comes to potential nuclear war.

You're assuming that avoiding war is the best option here.


There are times when not seeking peace at any cost is appropriate:

When your commander in chief is a tangerine white supremacist, that is incapable of walking 500 meters or even paying attention to one subject that isn't himself for more than 5 minutes, it might not be that time.
 
2017-09-25 06:35:49 PM  
Some little fat puke has been threatening to annihilate the United States for months and what would you have a president do? Make nice? Form a commission?

China will reel the bastard in, since any nuclear wind would blow in their general direction.

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2017-09-25 06:39:39 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: We have always been at war with Eastasia


Tomorrow I'll be demonstrating to celebrate chocolate rations being raised to 20 grammes a week!
 
2017-09-25 06:40:37 PM  

fernt: Some little fat puke has been threatening to annihilate the United States for months and what would you have a president do? Make nice? Form a commission?


Well, he could resign so his threats wouldn't carry weight.  Apart from that, Trump could just stop making the threats.
 
2017-09-25 06:40:53 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: JDAT: rzrwiresunrise: dittybopper: We've only been at war with North Korea since 1950.

Technically, even that's not true, since no formal declaration of war by the United States was ever issued.

I believe "Police action" is what we called it.  Same for Vietnam.

If I'm not mistaken, WWII was the last war we formally declared. Kinda scary, considering all the military actions we've been in since.


Correct.  I wonder why we are so hesitant with the declaration?
 
2017-09-25 06:41:04 PM  

serpent_sky: Honest question: short of somehow taking Trump's phone (and thus Twitter) and not allowing him to speak, how do we avoid a full blown war here?  I can't see either one giving an inch here until a lot of people are injured or dead. And Trump doesn't listen to anyone, and while reverse psychology seems to work on him, that's a hell of a gamble when it comes to potential nuclear war.


NK already covered that for us.  When NK said that Trump had "declared war," they FORCED him (and more accurately SHS) to walk it back and say "no we didn't declare war."  That by itself is a statement of de-escalation, and Trump's stupid mouth let NK look like the aggrieved party.

Make no mistake, the administration just backed down, and NK won this round.  As I suspect everyone will, as long as we have a predictable moron running the show.
 
2017-09-25 06:41:10 PM  

JayCab: Marcus Aurelius: "It's never appropriate for a country to shoot down another countries aircraft when it is in international waters"

Yes it is, darling, they do it in war all the time.

If a plane is in international waters, it's already been shot down.

Or it's a seaplane, but that might be some kind of ruse.


Watch out for that Hitler. He's a bad egg.
 
2017-09-25 06:41:41 PM  
Whether or not we've declared war on NK, they've unquestionably declared war on us.


Mr President, North Korea on line two.
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2017-09-25 06:44:53 PM  

JDAT: rzrwiresunrise: JDAT: rzrwiresunrise: dittybopper: We've only been at war with North Korea since 1950.

Technically, even that's not true, since no formal declaration of war by the United States was ever issued.

I believe "Police action" is what we called it.  Same for Vietnam.

If I'm not mistaken, WWII was the last war we formally declared. Kinda scary, considering all the military actions we've been in since.

Correct.  I wonder why we are so hesitant with the declaration?


Because congress is a bunch of cowards.  If they declare war, then their names are permanently attached to the vote if it goes south or becomes unpopular.  If they just authorize the president to spend the money needed to fight, then they can act like they weren't responsible.
 
2017-09-25 06:47:13 PM  

make me some tea: Only Congress can declare war.

FAKE NEWS


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Now just replace "bankruptcy" with "war."
 
2017-09-25 06:49:25 PM  
We've always been at war with Eastasia
 
2017-09-25 06:49:50 PM  
I wonder what the South Koreans think?

Asked no one.
 
2017-09-25 06:50:11 PM  
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2017-09-25 06:51:02 PM  
Dear Mrs. Sanders,
Please retire or go to hell.
 
2017-09-25 06:57:31 PM  

fernt: Some little fat puke has been threatening to annihilate the United States for months and what would you have a president do? Make nice? Form a commission?

China will reel the bastard in, since any nuclear wind would blow in their general direction.

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You certainly did fart in our general direction with that post.
 
2017-09-25 06:59:37 PM  

JDAT: rzrwiresunrise: JDAT: rzrwiresunrise: dittybopper: We've only been at war with North Korea since 1950.

Technically, even that's not true, since no formal declaration of war by the United States was ever issued.

I believe "Police action" is what we called it.  Same for Vietnam.

If I'm not mistaken, WWII was the last war we formally declared. Kinda scary, considering all the military actions we've been in since.

Correct.  I wonder why we are so hesitant with the declaration?


There are all these pesky rules associated with a formal declaration. We like to keep it casual, you know, shorts and aloha shirts and sh*t.
 
2017-09-25 07:09:35 PM  

dittybopper: Also, interestingly, the President can veto a declaration of war by Congress. I should have known that, but it's never happened before and quite frankly, probably never will happen, but it's part of the President's inherent veto power.


It may happen if Congress declares war on Russia.
 
2017-09-25 07:11:12 PM  

fernt: Some little fat puke has been threatening to annihilate the United States for months


Gee, I wonder what compelled him to start doing that?
 
2017-09-25 07:12:09 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: There are all these pesky rules associated with a formal declaration. We like to keep it casual, you know, shorts and aloha shirts and sh*t.


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2017-09-25 07:13:54 PM  

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At least he managed to keep his booger picker out of the trigger well.
 
2017-09-25 07:23:53 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "It's never appropriate for a country to shoot down another countries aircraft when it is in international waters"

Yes it is, darling, they do it in war all the time.


For example at the Battle of the Philippine Sea, Americans shot down more than 600 Japanese planes in two days.

Totally inappropriate. Trump should apologize.
 
2017-09-25 07:26:14 PM  

Ishkur: fernt: Some little fat puke has been threatening to annihilate the United States for months

Gee, I wonder what compelled him to start doing that?


You mean back in 2013 when they first started threatening nuclear pre-emptive strikes against the U.S.? Hard to say, it could have been any number of things that pushed them to that level, like the increased UN Sanctions passed the month before.
 
2017-09-25 07:28:34 PM  

ilambiquated: Marcus Aurelius: "It's never appropriate for a country to shoot down another countries aircraft when it is in international waters"

Yes it is, darling, they do it in war all the time.

For example at the Battle of the Philippine Sea, Americans shot down more than 600 Japanese planes in two days.

Totally inappropriate. Trump should apologize.


600 times Zero is still Zero.
 
2017-09-25 07:31:34 PM  

dittybopper: Also, interestingly, the President can veto a declaration of war by Congress.  I should have known that, but it's never happened before and quite frankly, probably never will happen, but it's part of the President's inherent veto power.

And of course, Congress can over-ride that veto.


Well now I want to know what happens if Congress declares War, the President vetos, Congress overrides, and then the Commander in Chief just never prosecutes the war.  Gives no orders, etc.  Congress' only move would be to veto I guess.
 
2017-09-25 07:41:50 PM  
Is the possible nsfw content Huckabee-Sanders' face?

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I know, that's not nice but she can go and fark herself
 
2017-09-25 08:20:13 PM  

BigNumber12: You mean back in 2013 when they first started threatening nuclear pre-emptive strikes against the U.S.?


Did he? I dunno, I haven't heard anything about him until this year. Almost as if there's a sense of urgency to it all.

I wonder what could have caused that.
 
2017-09-25 08:26:13 PM  

Ishkur: BigNumber12: You mean back in 2013 when they first started threatening nuclear pre-emptive strikes against the U.S.?

Did he? I dunno, I haven't heard anything about him until this year.


Yeah, hence my crack about people who've just started paying attention to world issues. It says less about the world, and more about those people.
 
2017-09-25 08:27:57 PM  
How in the hell does Trump keep on stepping on his own shrinky dink? I mean, in every sense of the phrase, he really has to try.
 
2017-09-25 09:12:04 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "It's never appropriate for a country to shoot down another countries aircraft when it is in international waters"

Yes it is, darling, they do it in war all the time.


And, of course, it's appropriate when we do it.  Ask the folks on Iran Air Flight 655.

(besides, are we saying that we wouldn't shoot down aircraft approaching one of our carriers because both were in international waters?)
 
2017-09-25 09:15:28 PM  
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