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(The Hill)   Two thirds of Republicans support citizenship for the 800k DACA recipients   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-09-22 05:35:37 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-22 06:09:32 PM  
They don't support it enough to change their votes if it doesn't pass, if that's what you're suggesting.

All this means is that it can pass without offending anybody, which makes it a better bargaining chip for that stupid wall. Republicans won't pass it on its own, but will gladly pass it as part of a package deal that is favorable to them.
 
2017-09-22 06:26:02 PM  
They say Trump gave away his greatest bargaining chip hostages.
 
2017-09-22 06:32:02 PM  
Wow, that's a lot of people who accidentally voted for the wrong party then. What a hilarious mix up!
 
2017-09-22 08:56:21 PM  
Thanks, Obama.

Seriously, DACA was a great idea to eventually force Congress to do something.
 
2017-09-22 10:13:46 PM  
but not their relatives
 
2017-09-22 10:15:12 PM  

davidphogan: Thanks, Obama.

Seriously, DACA was a great idea to eventually force Congress to do something.


Is Congress going to actually do something
 
2017-09-22 10:15:36 PM  
And the other third support using them as target practice as they cross back over the border
 
2017-09-22 10:15:45 PM  
In other news, only 1/16 of Americans support citizenship for Republicans.

/Badump psssss
 
2017-09-22 10:21:57 PM  
Well, it's the GOP, so you know their reasons why.
 
2017-09-22 10:23:41 PM  
In five months you're gonna start seeing some insane, heart-tugging stories about DACA people who are about to get kicked out. Are Republicans smart enough to avoid that?

Don't answer.
 
2017-09-22 10:23:58 PM  
but on the down low

Don't force them to admit it in public
 
2017-09-22 10:24:26 PM  
You have to be a special kind of evil to think somebody who was taken somewhere as a baby needs to be punished for it.
 
2017-09-22 10:25:26 PM  

pukingtrader: You have to be a special kind of evil to think somebody who was taken somewhere as a baby needs to be punished for it.


Like if someone makes meth their kids should suffer for it
 
2017-09-22 10:26:21 PM  
Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.
 
2017-09-22 10:26:36 PM  

Barfmaker: Wow, that's a lot of people who accidentally voted for the wrong party then. What a hilarious mix up!


Oh, those jolly jackanapes!
 
2017-09-22 10:28:21 PM  

phoenix352: Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.


like the base of national voters that defeated Hillary and elected Trump?
 
2017-09-22 10:30:53 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: In five months you're gonna start seeing some insane, heart-tugging stories about DACA people who are about to get kicked out. Are Republicans smart enough to avoid that?


I wonder if we're going to get stories of either a) soldiers being discharged, and/or b) soldiers finishing their tours only to find out they were deported in absentia, and have nowhere to go, thereby putting conservatives into a situation where they have to choose between loving the military or hating immigrants.

Forget I asked. I just remembered they did nothing when the GWB admin was discharging badly needed Arabic interpreters because of DADT.
 
2017-09-22 10:30:55 PM  

phoenix352: Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.

FTA: Seventy percent said the police should check a person's immigration status and cooperate with federal immigration authorities when an arrest is made.


So we count on your support to attach conditions to DACA to force local authorities to report illegals to ICE when they are arrested.
 
2017-09-22 10:34:06 PM  

Can'tAlwaysGet: phoenix352: Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.

like the base minority of national voters that defeated Hillary and elected Trump?

 
2017-09-22 10:35:57 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: Can'tAlwaysGet: phoenix352: Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.

like the base minority of national voters that defeated Hillary and elected Trump?

 
2017-09-22 10:37:56 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: phoenix352: Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.

FTA: Seventy percent said the police should check a person's immigration status and cooperate with federal immigration authorities when an arrest is made.

So we count on your support to attach conditions to DACA to force local authorities to report illegals to ICE when they are arrested.


fark ICE, they're Republicans first step towards having secret police. They already refuse to identify themselves to regular police.
 
2017-09-22 10:41:12 PM  
I said in an earlier thread even my right wing douchenozzle coworkers tended to like Dave and overwhelmingly felt the federal government shouldn't fark over existing DACA folk who've been granted benefits, as it undermines the word of our country.

Update: most of them side with the GOP line that even though the above are good things, they (the gop legislature) should only support them if the dems make concessions.

Meanwhile they still complain the ACA or the stimulus package were unilateral things that forced stuff down their throats.

fark. THESE. ASSHOLES.
 
2017-09-22 10:41:20 PM  

Can'tAlwaysGet: pukingtrader: You have to be a special kind of evil to think somebody who was taken somewhere as a baby needs to be punished for it.

Like if someone makes meth their kids should suffer for it


We are not talking about you, we are talking about 800k intelligent, well educated and useful members of society that are threatened with deportation.
 
2017-09-22 10:42:59 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: DrewCurtisJr: phoenix352: Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.

FTA: Seventy percent said the police should check a person's immigration status and cooperate with federal immigration authorities when an arrest is made.

So we count on your support to attach conditions to DACA to force local authorities to report illegals to ICE when they are arrested.

fark ICE, they're Republicans first step towards having secret police. They already refuse to identify themselves to regular police.


Voters in this poll think reporting people arrested to ICE is OK. If you want to discount their views that is fine, but discount all their views.
 
2017-09-22 10:45:36 PM  

Can'tAlwaysGet: pukingtrader: You have to be a special kind of evil to think somebody who was taken somewhere as a baby needs to be punished for it.

Like if someone makes meth their kids should suffer for it


????

Typically the kids of people who make meth DO suffer for it, just not at the hands of law enforcement.

So I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to make on this particular issue...
 
2017-09-22 10:47:57 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Duke of Madness Motors: DrewCurtisJr: phoenix352: Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.

FTA: Seventy percent said the police should check a person's immigration status and cooperate with federal immigration authorities when an arrest is made.

So we count on your support to attach conditions to DACA to force local authorities to report illegals to ICE when they are arrested.

fark ICE, they're Republicans first step towards having secret police. They already refuse to identify themselves to regular police.

Voters in this poll think reporting people arrested to ICE is OK. If you want to discount their views that is fine, but discount all their views.


They're Republicans, I already discount their views. They support trump, the ones who aren't hypocrites are flaming assholes. They're damaging the country more than they're capable of realizing.
 
2017-09-22 10:49:17 PM  

Barfmaker: Wow, that's a lot of people who accidentally voted for the wrong party then. What a hilarious mix up!


Yep, it's almost like they're kneejerk low-information voters, not given to deep thought or analysis.

"Poorly educated", as some guy named Donnie said...
 
2017-09-22 10:51:32 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: They're Republicans, I already discount their views. They support trump, the ones who aren't hypocrites are flaming assholes. They're damaging the country more than they're capable of realizing.

FTA: The Harvard-Harris Poll online survey of 2,177 registered voters was conducted from Sept. 17 to Sept. 20. The partisan breakdown was 37 percent Democrat, 31 percent Republican, 28 percent independent and 4 percent other.

 
2017-09-22 10:55:45 PM  
Sure, they might support letting some of them dirty illegals stick around.

But they hate women more and if kicking out a million brown people means we could possibly kick out one bad Mexican rapist (even though they've been vetted, there's still a chance they could flip) then it's all worth it.

Plus, those taxes don't cut themselves.
 
2017-09-22 10:59:14 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Duke of Madness Motors: They're Republicans, I already discount their views. They support trump, the ones who aren't hypocrites are flaming assholes. They're damaging the country more than they're capable of realizing.

FTA: The Harvard-Harris Poll online survey of 2,177 registered voters was conducted from Sept. 17 to Sept. 20. The partisan breakdown was 37 percent Democrat, 31 percent Republican, 28 percent independent and 4 percent other.


Did you read the headline?
 
2017-09-22 11:04:15 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: DrewCurtisJr: Duke of Madness Motors: They're Republicans, I already discount their views. They support trump, the ones who aren't hypocrites are flaming assholes. They're damaging the country more than they're capable of realizing.

FTA: The Harvard-Harris Poll online survey of 2,177 registered voters was conducted from Sept. 17 to Sept. 20. The partisan breakdown was 37 percent Democrat, 31 percent Republican, 28 percent independent and 4 percent other.

Did you read the headline?


I quote you content from the article and you ask if I read the headline?
 
2017-09-22 11:10:56 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Duke of Madness Motors: DrewCurtisJr: Duke of Madness Motors: They're Republicans, I already discount their views. They support trump, the ones who aren't hypocrites are flaming assholes. They're damaging the country more than they're capable of realizing.

FTA: The Harvard-Harris Poll online survey of 2,177 registered voters was conducted from Sept. 17 to Sept. 20. The partisan breakdown was 37 percent Democrat, 31 percent Republican, 28 percent independent and 4 percent other.

Did you read the headline?

I quote you content from the article and you ask if I read the headline?


Yes, because the headline sets the basis for the discussion. Which is that two thirds of Republicans support citizenship for DREAMers. Not what all voters or Democrats support. And the point here is that the level of support isn't reflected in the policies of their party or their incredibly stupid and ignorant leader.
 
2017-09-22 11:14:26 PM  
Don't care, they're still bigots and can go fark themselves.
 
2017-09-22 11:16:16 PM  

qorkfiend: davidphogan: Thanks, Obama.

Seriously, DACA was a great idea to eventually force Congress to do something.

Is Congress going to actually do something


Probably.  D's have indicated that they'll vote in favor of getting some form of DACA extension through Congress, and I have a feeling a few R's might swing that way.
 
2017-09-22 11:16:54 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: They're Republicans, I already discount their views. They support trump, the ones who aren't hypocrites are flaming assholes. They're damaging the country more than they're capable of realizing.


And we're supposed to make nice with them so that maybe they'll vote for a Democrat.  Fark that noise, and fark anyone who would sell their soul for votes.
 
2017-09-22 11:18:17 PM  

pukingtrader: You have to be a special kind of evil to think somebody who was taken somewhere as a baby needs to be punished for it.


Baby? The average age on arrival was almost seven! Seven year olds can do chores. They were ALREADY fluent in Mexican when they decided to leave and they knew right from wrong. Believe me, they knew exactly what they were doing.
 
2017-09-22 11:18:58 PM  

PunGent: Can'tAlwaysGet: pukingtrader: You have to be a special kind of evil to think somebody who was taken somewhere as a baby needs to be punished for it.

Like if someone makes meth their kids should suffer for it

????

Typically the kids of people who make meth DO suffer for it, just not at the hands of law enforcement.

So I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to make on this particular issue...


The point is that kids suffer for what their stupid parents actions are.

If, aside from nationality, a parent commits a crime, then the child goes into the foster program.   They have a bad life.   If the parent came to the US illegally, then the child has to deal with the crimes of their parents....it sucks that their parents commit crimes, burglary, drugs, migration...it sucks
 
2017-09-22 11:20:15 PM  
It is easy to support or not support something.

But it is alot harder when you do not have Special interests writing legislation for you to pass, like Tax reform, repealing health care, and Free Trade agreements
 
2017-09-22 11:20:30 PM  
Then point out the 33% of their party members who need a tire iron to the face. I'd hate to support beating people at random and hoping that probability is wrong.
 
2017-09-22 11:38:50 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: Yes, because the headline sets the basis for the discussion. Which is that two thirds of Republicans support citizenship for DREAMers. Not what all voters or Democrats support.


The headline is based on the poll, so the headline could have been, "Voters oppose the California sanctuary state law by a wide margin ", or one of the other finding from the poll.

Duke of Madness Motors: And the point here is that the level of support isn't reflected in the policies of their party or their incredibly stupid and ignorant leader.


Also from the article:so Democratic intransigence on this is out of step with public opinion," he continued.

So like I wrote before: If you want to discount their views that is fine, but discount all their views.
 
2017-09-22 11:55:20 PM  
This should be a nice thread, with lots of the LAW is the LAW and stuff.
 
2017-09-23 12:00:32 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: phoenix352: Don't let broad bipartisan national support get in the way of appeasing a small but dedicated bloc of base voters.

FTA: Seventy percent said the police should check a person's immigration status and cooperate with federal immigration authorities when an arrest is made.

So we count on your support to attach conditions to DACA to force local authorities to report illegals to ICE when they are arrested.


you really should stop hitting the smart button on your own posts
 
2017-09-23 12:03:58 AM  
I'm getting sick and tired of being told how republicans supposedly think about things.

You know what I know about republicans and DACA?

They nominated the guy who called all Mexicans rapists.

They voted for the guy who wants to build a wall to keep everybody out.

They continue to support the guy who speared DACA.

You want to know my response to literally every republican opinion at this point?

img.fark.net

Either republicans are complete farking morons who continually vote for people who are entirely anthithetical to their supposed beliefs, or they're lying to pollsters.

Either way, they can fark right off for the rest of forever as far as I'm concerned. They're just bad people.
 
2017-09-23 12:06:39 AM  
What does it matter they'll vote R either way...
 
2017-09-23 12:09:26 AM  
I smell a wedge
 
2017-09-23 12:15:32 AM  

God_Almighty_Himself: Duke of Madness Motors: They're Republicans, I already discount their views. They support trump, the ones who aren't hypocrites are flaming assholes. They're damaging the country more than they're capable of realizing.

And we're supposed to make nice with them so that maybe they'll vote for a Democrat.  Fark that noise, and fark anyone who would sell their soul for votes.


Na, people who are still R's through all of this will be R's after, that aint changing. The DNC needs to focus on getting their own out to vote and persuade the independents.
 
2017-09-23 12:16:12 AM  

dumbobruni: you really should stop hitting the smart button on your own posts


You should really stop posting. Seriously, this is all you have to contribute to the thread and you are dead wrong, as always. Stop being a pathetic loser and add something that has to do with the topic instead of whining about me.
 
2017-09-23 12:26:13 AM  

skozlaw: I'm getting sick and tired of being told how republicans supposedly think about things.

You know what I know about republicans and DACA?

They nominated the guy who called all Mexicans rapists.

They voted for the guy who wants to build a wall to keep everybody out.

They continue to support the guy who speared DACA.

You want to know my response to literally every republican opinion at this point?

[img.fark.net image 541x480]

Either republicans are complete farking morons who continually vote for people who are entirely anthithetical to their supposed beliefs, or they're lying to pollsters.

Either way, they can fark right off for the rest of forever as far as I'm concerned. They're just bad people.


No......

We voted for a guy that decided that we have enough crimials in the US we don't need more
We voted for a guy that decided that a Country is defined by its borders
We voted for a guy that believes laws mean something
We voted for a Congress that would get off their ass and make laws

As it is now, immigration law sucks.  It's not Trumps fault, it's Congress Fault
Congress make the laws....Tell them to fix immigration.
 
2017-09-23 12:27:16 AM  
66% of any group supporting DACA is a ridiculously low number. It's like being proud of getting that score on a test when you needed 95% for an A.
 
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