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2017-09-22 07:07:50 PM  
I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.
 
2017-09-22 08:05:26 PM  
Well, duh! If they lose this case, there are hundreds of other cases waiting out there.
 
2017-09-22 08:09:30 PM  
So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....
 
2017-09-22 08:20:08 PM  

wooden_badger: So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....


4 years of high school ball, 4 years of college, 3 in the NFL.  NFL's defense is going to be:
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2017-09-22 08:47:00 PM  

Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.


Exactly....my only hope is that Hernandez is exonerated by the judicial system and forgiven as I am sure he was peaceful gentle giant before he played NFL football.  And hopefully his gang family will be appropriately financially compensated.
 
2017-09-22 08:47:29 PM  

wooden_badger: So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....


But you defend them anyway.
 
2017-09-22 08:51:44 PM  

WyDave: wooden_badger: So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....

4 years of high school ball, 4 years of college, 3 in the NFL.  NFL's defense is going to be:
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And well it should be, though it's 4-3-3 as he declared after his junior year.

 Now bear with me, because it's been a while since I read about how these lawsuits work in Killer Show (really good book, if not very depressing considering my history with the place). If you set up a lawsuit against people in this manner, I believe you have to go off of all sorts of factors like whose insurance will cover what, etc., and then deal with the individual liabilities. What will possibly save the NFL's butt in this, ironically enough, is the chronic under-reporting of head injuries, mostly because at the time there was no group watching over them all. If he had no major concussions that were diagnosed or brought up while with the Patriots, then we go back to the Gators and ask them, and so on. Keep in mind, of course, that the lower the level the less likely the documentation is in place. Which means that if the estate DOESN'T go after the NFL, then there's very little likelihood that they can go after anyone else.
 
2017-09-22 08:56:04 PM  

WyDave: wooden_badger: So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....

4 years of high school ball, 4 years of college, 3 in the NFL.  NFL's defense is going to be:
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"Your honor, my client gave that man a helmet to protect his head.  His injuries must have come AFTER football, in that jail cell full of hard walls and steel bars."

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2017-09-22 09:03:11 PM  

Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.


The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.
 
2017-09-22 09:06:31 PM  

little big man: WyDave: wooden_badger: So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....

4 years of high school ball, 4 years of college, 3 in the NFL.  NFL's defense is going to be:
[cdn.meme.am image 499x467]

"Your honor, my client gave that man a helmet to protect his head.  His injuries must have come AFTER football, in that jail cell full of hard walls and steel bars."

[img.fark.net image 640x480]


I read this in Phil Hartman's voice.
 
2017-09-22 09:10:32 PM  

duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.


Unless you broke a vertebrae, too, they were right.
 
2017-09-22 09:13:30 PM  

This text is now purple: duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.

Unless you broke a vertebrae, too, they were right.


Nice talk for someone without a clue
 
2017-09-22 09:25:04 PM  

duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.


I feel like there's a lot of other "major factors" that happen between "JV football injury" and "destitute for life".
 
2017-09-22 09:34:03 PM  

js34603: duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.

I feel like there's a lot of other "major factors" that happen between "JV football injury" and "destitute for life".


I feel like you're kind of being an asshole if you don't recognize how a debilitating back injury might affect how much income someone can miss out on.
 
2017-09-22 09:40:34 PM  

duke3522: This text is now purple: duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.

Unless you broke a vertebrae, too, they were right.

Nice talk for someone without a clue


Major pre-existing condition?....ummm citation needed.  I have had a blown out disc of or almost 20 years and never lost insurance.  My wife had as "bad as it gets" herniation according to her doctor which required surgery to repair and she got 4 weeks off, so unless you had a spinal cord injury I am going to go with 4 months out of school is a slight exaggeration, no?.
 
2017-09-22 09:43:40 PM  

CADMonkey79: duke3522: This text is now purple: duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.

Unless you broke a vertebrae, too, they were right.

Nice talk for someone without a clue

Major pre-existing condition?....ummm citation needed.  I have had a blown out disc of or almost 20 years and never lost insurance.  My wife had as "bad as it gets" herniation according to her doctor which required surgery to repair and she got 4 weeks off, so unless you had a spinal cord injury I am going to go with 4 months out of school is a slight exaggeration, no?.


You must have missed the part where he said that he aggravated the injury.

/and possibly couldn't afford the surgery
//You expect "pre-existing condition" to make sense?
///They tried to make pregnancy a pre-existing condition!
 
2017-09-22 09:55:58 PM  
Yeah, I'm gonna go point out that little bar fight and double shooting incidents in Gainesville and just say that Aaron wasn't exactly a well-adjusted figure when he entered the NFL...unless we're expected to believe the CTE started during high school football and the death of his dad during the time didn't have anything to do with it.

This lawsuit is DOA.  Anyone who says otherwise should take remedial journalism classes.
 
2017-09-22 10:01:16 PM  

LoneWolf343: You must have missed the part where he said that he aggravated the injury.


I think we all missed that part as it doesn't seem to be included in anything he wrote. Is that your alt or something?
 
2017-09-22 10:01:53 PM  

LoneWolf343: CADMonkey79: duke3522: This text is now purple: duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.

Unless you broke a vertebrae, too, they were right.

Nice talk for someone without a clue

Major pre-existing condition?....ummm citation needed.  I have had a blown out disc of or almost 20 years and never lost insurance.  My wife had as "bad as it gets" herniation according to her doctor which required surgery to repair and she got 4 weeks off, so unless you had a spinal cord injury I am going to go with 4 months out of school is a slight exaggeration, no?.

You must have missed the part where he said that he aggravated the injury.

/and possibly couldn't afford the surgery
//You expect "pre-existing condition" to make sense?
///They tried to make pregnancy a pre-existing condition!


And you missed the part where I said my wife's was "AS BAD AS IT GETS".   She went to a chiropractor for a second opinion and when they looked at her scans they the told her they would not work on her at all and to leave the facility.  She is not considered to have a "major" pre-existing condition.  We have had somewhere in the neighborhood of a half a dozen different insurances over the years and don't recall every even being asked if I have had a back injury.  Of course we both have in-demand job skills we worked our asses off to get and can both hold down a job so maybe we are just one of the few lucky ones with employer provided insurance.
 
2017-09-22 10:07:01 PM  

rjakobi: Yeah, I'm gonna go point out that little bar fight and double shooting incidents in Gainesville and just say that Aaron wasn't exactly a well-adjusted figure when he entered the NFL...unless we're expected to believe the CTE started during high school football and the death of his dad during the time didn't have anything to do with it.

This lawsuit is DOA.  Anyone who says otherwise should take remedial journalism classes.


People get CTE by just playing high school ball. Not saying that's the case with Hernandez, but I wouldn't dismiss it outright. It absolutely happens.

The bigger issue is that the NFL has long known about this issue and pretended it didn't exist.

I couldn't give a shiat less if this idiot's family sees a dime, but fu*k the NFL for ignoring the problem and f*ck fans for blaming players for receiving debilitating brain injuries.
 
2017-09-22 10:10:56 PM  
Just wow!  OK.  The facts.  Been awhile, so yes not exactly what I said.  Finally got someone to pay attention to my injury thee first week of January 1977.  Bed rest at home for 3 weeks.  Surgery February 3rd 1978.  Hospital for 16 days.  They set up a land line so I could attend my classes while still on bed rest.  Returned to school physically the 2nd week of May 1978.

I have no idea how others have dealt with this kind of injury, but I never really recovered.  Experiencing what seemed like random times when the muscles in my back would fail.  At these times I can nearly walk, and there have been a few times when I could not walk at all.  And yes, in the early 1980s I was turned away from jobs because their insurance would not except my preexisting condition.  I ended up using the ER as my main doctor when my back would go out, and ended up in years of continually chasing ER bills.

You can believe the above or not.  I do not really care.  But letting your kid play football adds a huge risk to their lives.  No one plays football for any period of time and come out unscathed.
 
2017-09-22 10:18:53 PM  

CADMonkey79: She went to a chiropractor for a second opinion and when they looked at her scans they the told her they would not work on her at all and to leave the facility.


Now you really have no business shiatting on someone else's medical problems.
 
2017-09-22 10:19:33 PM  

jaylectricity: LoneWolf343: You must have missed the part where he said that he aggravated the injury.

I think we all missed that part as it doesn't seem to be included in anything he wrote. Is that your alt or something?


Even if he did "aggravate" a herniated disc he would NOT have been in the hospital of 2 weeks. My wife got out of bed and walked to the car less then two hours after a major repair. Hell the doctor told her she should be walking two miles a day within a few days post-op.

/bs story is bs
 
2017-09-22 10:20:01 PM  

duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.


Jesus, sorry to hear that.

If I ever have a son who wants to play sports, I think I'll stronglysteer him towards anything but football.

/'course the sports I like are just as bad. *sigh* I'm gonna be a farking soccer mom, I just know it.
 
2017-09-22 10:22:21 PM  

LoneWolf343: CADMonkey79: She went to a chiropractor for a second opinion and when they looked at her scans they the told her they would not work on her at all and to leave the facility.

Now you really have no business shiatting on someone else's medical problems.


Well she had an important job and was desperate to find a solution that would not require extended time off for a surgery.  I'm certain that is something you've never had to worry about.
 
2017-09-22 10:31:19 PM  

CADMonkey79: jaylectricity: LoneWolf343: You must have missed the part where he said that he aggravated the injury.

I think we all missed that part as it doesn't seem to be included in anything he wrote. Is that your alt or something?

Even if he did "aggravate" a herniated disc he would NOT have been in the hospital of 2 weeks. My wife got out of bed and walked to the car less then two hours after a major repair. Hell the doctor told her she should be walking two miles a day within a few days post-op.

/bs story is bs


Well even though I joked about it upthread, when did this happen for your wife?

I had a hernia in 1988 and the surgery laid me up for about three weeks. I got another hernia in 2007 and the surgery laid me up for about two days.
 
2017-09-22 10:32:19 PM  

CADMonkey79: LoneWolf343: CADMonkey79: She went to a chiropractor for a second opinion and when they looked at her scans they the told her they would not work on her at all and to leave the facility.

Now you really have no business shiatting on someone else's medical problems.

Well she had an important job and was desperate to find a solution that would not require extended time off for a surgery.  I'm certain that is something you've never had to worry about.


You're right, I've never been in a position where I am consulting horseshiat peddlers for medical opinions. Tell me, did he scry goal entrails to make her diagnosis, or did he just pour water that had been in the general vicinity of an x-ray machine on her back?
 
2017-09-22 10:32:30 PM  
Players used to blow their ACL and were done for the year and weren't quite the same the following season. Now they're practically ready to go in about six months.
 
2017-09-22 10:34:58 PM  

duke3522: Just wow!  OK.  The facts.  Been awhile, so yes not exactly what I said.  Finally got someone to pay attention to my injury thee first week of January 1977.  Bed rest at home for 3 weeks.  Surgery February 3rd 1978.  Hospital for 16 days.  They set up a land line so I could attend my classes while still on bed rest.  Returned to school physically the 2nd week of May 1978.

I have no idea how others have dealt with this kind of injury, but I never really recovered.  Experiencing what seemed like random times when the muscles in my back would fail.  At these times I can nearly walk, and there have been a few times when I could not walk at all.  And yes, in the early 1980s I was turned away from jobs because their insurance would not except my preexisting condition.  I ended up using the ER as my main doctor when my back would go out, and ended up in years of continually chasing ER bills.

You can believe the above or not.  I do not really care.  But letting your kid play football adds a huge risk to their lives.  No one plays football for any period of time and come out unscathed.


I guess that just proves my wife is a bad-ass.  Less than a year after a major reconstruction she was working the busiest med-surg floor of the largest hospital in town doing 14 hour shifts.

/just spit-balling here but maybe you should not have told future employers about a high school football injury during your interviews
//never had a job ask me health questions before they hired me....that's wierd
///where the hell do you live?
 
2017-09-22 10:46:10 PM  

CADMonkey79: duke3522: Just wow!  OK.  The facts.  Been awhile, so yes not exactly what I said.  Finally got someone to pay attention to my injury thee first week of January 1977.  Bed rest at home for 3 weeks.  Surgery February 3rd 1978.  Hospital for 16 days.  They set up a land line so I could attend my classes while still on bed rest.  Returned to school physically the 2nd week of May 1978.

I have no idea how others have dealt with this kind of injury, but I never really recovered.  Experiencing what seemed like random times when the muscles in my back would fail.  At these times I can nearly walk, and there have been a few times when I could not walk at all.  And yes, in the early 1980s I was turned away from jobs because their insurance would not except my preexisting condition.  I ended up using the ER as my main doctor when my back would go out, and ended up in years of continually chasing ER bills.

You can believe the above or not.  I do not really care.  But letting your kid play football adds a huge risk to their lives.  No one plays football for any period of time and come out unscathed.

I guess that just proves my wife is a bad-ass.  Less than a year after a major reconstruction she was working the busiest med-surg floor of the largest hospital in town doing 14 hour shifts.

/just spit-balling here but maybe you should not have told future employers about a high school football injury during your interviews
//never had a job ask me health questions before they hired me....that's wierd
///where the hell do you live?


When did she have it done?  Mine was almost 40 years ago now.  No MRIs, no CAT scans.  My incision is almost a foot long, and to verify his diagnosis, my doc performed a spinal tap on me 3 days before the operation.

I am pretty sure today's surgeons would think of my surgery as archaic, and that it would be much different today.  But football is still a dangerous sport that leads to more than it's share of life changing injuries.
 
2017-09-22 10:50:24 PM  

jaylectricity: CADMonkey79: jaylectricity: LoneWolf343: You must have missed the part where he said that he aggravated the injury.

I think we all missed that part as it doesn't seem to be included in anything he wrote. Is that your alt or something?

Even if he did "aggravate" a herniated disc he would NOT have been in the hospital of 2 weeks. My wife got out of bed and walked to the car less then two hours after a major repair. Hell the doctor told her she should be walking two miles a day within a few days post-op.

/bs story is bs

Well even though I joked about it upthread, when did this happen for your wife?

I had a hernia in 1988 and the surgery laid me up for about three weeks. I got another hernia in 2007 and the surgery laid me up for about two days.


About two years ago.  She was literally walking around the recovery area 45 minutes after he finished the surgery. And if she had not got sick to her stomach she would have been on the road even sooner.  And again this was as bad a herniation as he had seen in probably 20 years of practice.
 
2017-09-22 11:07:12 PM  

CADMonkey79: jaylectricity: CADMonkey79: jaylectricity: LoneWolf343: You must have missed the part where he said that he aggravated the injury.

I think we all missed that part as it doesn't seem to be included in anything he wrote. Is that your alt or something?

Even if he did "aggravate" a herniated disc he would NOT have been in the hospital of 2 weeks. My wife got out of bed and walked to the car less then two hours after a major repair. Hell the doctor told her she should be walking two miles a day within a few days post-op.

/bs story is bs

Well even though I joked about it upthread, when did this happen for your wife?

I had a hernia in 1988 and the surgery laid me up for about three weeks. I got another hernia in 2007 and the surgery laid me up for about two days.

About two years ago.  She was literally walking around the recovery area 45 minutes after he finished the surgery. And if she had not got sick to her stomach she would have been on the road even sooner.  And again this was as bad a herniation as he had seen in probably 20 years of practice.


I was coming to say something snarky about comparing surgeries performed 4 decades apart, but DAMN people. February 3rd it will be 40 farking years!  I bet by today's standards I was freaking butchered.  But I get they did the best they could.  Still, it has been 40 years of being in pain everyday.  I never thought I would make it this long.  Sorry about this. I have no other outlet, and needed to share.
 
2017-09-22 11:08:38 PM  
Sorry CAD. Did not mean to quote you.  Glad your wife is ok
 
2017-09-22 11:11:46 PM  

LoneWolf343: CADMonkey79: LoneWolf343: CADMonkey79: She went to a chiropractor for a second opinion and when they looked at her scans they the told her they would not work on her at all and to leave the facility.

Now you really have no business shiatting on someone else's medical problems.

Well she had an important job and was desperate to find a solution that would not require extended time off for a surgery.  I'm certain that is something you've never had to worry about.

You're right, I've never been in a position where I am consulting horseshiat peddlers for medical opinions. Tell me, did he scry goal entrails to make her diagnosis, or did he just pour water that had been in the general vicinity of an x-ray machine on her back?


Like I said fukwad friend, she didn't get any treatment from the Chiropractor, it was a silly act of desperation.   My point was in illustrating the fact her herniation was so severe they turned her away in fear of doing more damage.   She went to board certified, highly respected Orthopedic Surgeon to fix the problem.  She missed a month of work and was not laid up in the hospital for several months.
 
2017-09-22 11:19:44 PM  

duke3522: Sorry CAD. Did not mean to quote you.  Glad your wife is ok


No worries.  I would just like to make a last point that I think you can put as much blame on your doctor as you can playing football.  I blew a disc out lifting an 80 lb bag of sand (sad I know) and although I have had pain every day for almost 20 years (even as we speak) I did not have any treatment (other than 2 sessions of "rehab") and have not been debilitated to the point of losing jobs or not being able to get insurance.   Ok, now that we have got that out of the way my suggestion for you is to do about three miles a day of walking.  That is the only thing that keeps the pain at bay for me.
 
2017-09-22 11:44:19 PM  
Anecdotes, studies, and all that... im kinda torn. Does Hernandez's family deserve compensation for his injuries while playing in the NFL, yes. Will that wreck my favorite sport, yes. I enjoy limited blood sport, but the CTE issue is complicated.
 
2017-09-22 11:46:43 PM  

baron von doodle: Anecdotes, studies, and all that... im kinda torn. Does Hernandez's family deserve compensation for his injuries while playing in the NFL, yes. Will that wreck my favorite sport, yes. I enjoy limited blood sport, but the CTE issue is complicated.


I feel the real blame should ultimately be laid at the feet of American culture and it's worship of football. If we spent only a quarter on the sciences as we did on football, who knows where we could have been by now.
 
2017-09-22 11:48:27 PM  

LoneWolf343: If we spent only a quarter on the sciences as we did on football, who knows where we could have been by now.


On the internet, complaining about something different.
 
2017-09-22 11:51:45 PM  

holdmybones: People get CTE by just playing high school ball. Not saying that's the case with Hernandez, but I wouldn't dismiss it outright. It absolutely happens.


Yes.  It does.

However, this will not be the case that specifically pushes it over the edge unless doctors can conclusively prove that the CTE started to appear in Hernandez during high school football.  If they can't, then this case is a waste of time.

Yes, it's despicable that CTE is still being denied by the NFL, but let's remember that this is not a cut and dried case, and certainly no backbreaker.
 
2017-09-22 11:59:58 PM  

LoneWolf343: I feel the real blame should ultimately be laid at the feet of American culture and it's worship of football. If we spent only a quarter on the sciences as we did on football, who knows where we could have been by now.


I'd say thirty years into a post-apocalyptic wasteland fighting off the robotic hordes that turned upon us after they fed off of our unused frustration and aggression we usually reserve for sports?
 
2017-09-23 12:32:18 AM  
1.) Most of this thread is just daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn guys.

2.) I'm glad I was bad at sports and did theatre instead.  Less traumatic physical injury.
 
2017-09-23 12:44:54 AM  

LoneWolf343: js34603: duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.

I feel like there's a lot of other "major factors" that happen between "JV football injury" and "destitute for life".

I feel like you're kind of being an asshole if you don't recognize how a debilitating back injury might affect how much income someone can miss out on.


I didn't say it couldn't. I said there's a lot of intervening steps between high school football injury and lifetime of poverty.

And what do you know I was right, there were a lot of intervening things that happened besides you getting hurt playing JV football before you became doomed to your life of poverty. Asshole.
 
2017-09-23 01:14:11 AM  

Mike_LowELL: little big man: WyDave: wooden_badger: So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....

4 years of high school ball, 4 years of college, 3 in the NFL.  NFL's defense is going to be:
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"Your honor, my client gave that man a helmet to protect his head.  His injuries must have come AFTER football, in that jail cell full of hard walls and steel bars."

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I read this in Phil Hartman's voice.


As it should be
 
2017-09-23 01:21:31 AM  

CADMonkey79: jaylectricity: CADMonkey79: jaylectricity: LoneWolf343: You must have missed the part where he said that he aggravated the injury.

I think we all missed that part as it doesn't seem to be included in anything he wrote. Is that your alt or something?

Even if he did "aggravate" a herniated disc he would NOT have been in the hospital of 2 weeks. My wife got out of bed and walked to the car less then two hours after a major repair. Hell the doctor told her she should be walking two miles a day within a few days post-op.

/bs story is bs

Well even though I joked about it upthread, when did this happen for your wife?

I had a hernia in 1988 and the surgery laid me up for about three weeks. I got another hernia in 2007 and the surgery laid me up for about two days.

About two years ago.  She was literally walking around the recovery area 45 minutes after he finished the surgery. And if she had not got sick to her stomach she would have been on the road even sooner.  And again this was as bad a herniation as he had seen in probably 20 years of practice.


Well there you go. Society has provided your wife with a much better treatment than the other dude got in the 70's.
 
Oak
2017-09-23 01:24:37 AM  

WhyKnot: Mike_LowELL: little big man: WyDave: wooden_badger: So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....

4 years of high school ball, 4 years of college, 3 in the NFL.  NFL's defense is going to be:
[cdn.meme.am image 499x467]

"Your honor, my client gave that man a helmet to protect his head.  His injuries must have come AFTER football, in that jail cell full of hard walls and steel bars."

[img.fark.net image 640x480]

I read this in Phil Hartman's voice.

As it should be


You may remember him from such films as Houseguest and Jingle All The Way.
 
2017-09-23 01:27:36 AM  
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2017-09-23 01:31:25 AM  

SamFlagg: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 600x450]


Wow....was this NOT the thread I thought I was posting in.
 
2017-09-23 01:56:41 AM  

js34603: LoneWolf343: js34603: duke3522: Munden: I don't understand why this isn't a settled issue.  If you play football semi or pro, you're subject to injury and concussions.  Even a single concussion is a traumatic event for the brain which requires appropriate and non-trivial care at the time, but repeated concussions compound this problem and likely exponentially and irreversibly after a point.  Give them a yearly seminar explaining the risks and have them sign away their brain health for cash if they so choose.

The problem there is you don't have to play at a high level to have a football injury ruin your life.  I was a sophomore in high school when I ruptured a disc in my back.  The trainers missed the injury.  Telling me all I needed was to stretch my back regularly, and making the injury much worse. Well, after two weeks in the hospital, and four months out of school, I was doomed to be in pain everyday.  And let's not forget I now had a major preexisting condition. That's why I have lived most of my adult life with out health insurance.

A stupid football injury, while playing on the reserves, was a major factor why I am one of the poorest of the poor today.

I feel like there's a lot of other "major factors" that happen between "JV football injury" and "destitute for life".

I feel like you're kind of being an asshole if you don't recognize how a debilitating back injury might affect how much income someone can miss out on.

I didn't say it couldn't. I said there's a lot of intervening steps between high school football injury and lifetime of poverty.

And what do you know I was right, there were a lot of intervening things that happened besides you getting hurt playing JV football before you became doomed to your life of poverty. Asshole.


I never said it was because of the football injury.  I said the injury was a major contributing factor.  Also, where did I ever say a lifetime of destitution?  I have had my ups and downs like everyone else.  I have mostly worked for myself since it was always difficult for me to work a regular job.  I have hauled trash, made clocks, sold clock parts, run festivals and flea markets,raised mums, sold produce, sold bedding plants, and scrapped to make a living.  My back injury didn't make working impossible.  It just raised the degree of difficulty.  And I didn't apply for disability until 5 years ago when my bone doc insisted.

But yes, I can say with full confidence, that if I had not injured 40 years ago, I would not be on SSI today.
 
2017-09-23 05:33:36 AM  
"Lawyer for the NFL says it intends to 'fight vigorously' the federal lawsuit filed by Aaron Hernandez's family"

It is what he would have wanted...
 
2017-09-23 06:30:08 AM  

wooden_badger: So why not start at the source, the High School he played at, or maybe the University of Florida, cuz it was obvious this guy was no good long before he got to the NFL.

Not that the NFL deserves any defense....


Wow.  Start with the high school? Even the lawyers have more humanity and common sense than you do.
 
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