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(Talking Points Memo)   Mr. White House Official, what kind of impact will the Graham-Cassidy healthcare bill have? Mr. White House Official: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2017-09-22 11:51:53 AM  
Translation -- We're done giving a rat's ass how much we destroy the country, we promised to burn it down, we're burning this motherfarker down!!
 
2017-09-22 11:57:57 AM  
I don't know why everyone complains about not being able to read the Republican healthcare plan. I've seen the summary, and it would fit on a matchbook:
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2017-09-22 01:12:45 PM  
It's a lot easier to understand once you accept the fact the goal is, was, and forever will be "POORS? With *health care?* You may as well ask me to switch to domestic monocle polish. Cancel that and get me a tax cut to repair my Haitian Volcano Lair/Succulent Boy Prostitute Preserve, tout suite! What do I even own you Senators for?"
 
2017-09-22 02:01:08 PM  
They don't know what the impact is going to be but Trump will charge through a crowd to sign it because "Winning!"
 
2017-09-22 02:21:10 PM  
Did you really expect him to say: "On the face of things it looks like a farking catastrophe and even in the best case scenario it'll be worse than what we have now."
 
2017-09-22 02:22:36 PM  

rightylefty: Translation -- We're done giving a rat's ass how much we destroy the country, we promised to burn it down, we're burning this motherfarker down!!


That's essentially the response I got from Pat Roberts.
 
2017-09-22 02:32:13 PM  
"It's going to make great ads to turn out folks we really don't like..."
 
2017-09-22 05:25:31 PM  
"Look, we've only got until the 30th to pass this with just 50 votes by using a protocol unintended for this purpose.  Do you blame us for trying to sneak one past ya'll at the buzzer?"
 
2017-09-22 05:34:50 PM  
Just think of all the grannies in nursing homes these people want to murder. It's actually staggering.
 
2017-09-22 05:36:03 PM  
First the "rammed through" hypocrisy, now the "have to pass it to see what's in it" hypocrisy.

They're LITERALLY doing everything they accused Democrats of for the past 8 years.
 
2017-09-22 05:36:25 PM  

neongoats: Just think of all the grannies in nursing homes these people want to murder. It's actually staggering.


Medicare cuts come next.
 
2017-09-22 05:38:16 PM  

skyotter: First the "rammed through" hypocrisy, now the "have to pass it to see what's in it" hypocrisy.

They're LITERALLY doing everything they accused Democrats of for the past 8 years.


When do they start saying they were born in Kenya?
 
2017-09-22 05:40:03 PM  
Trump doesn't care. He's just grasping at straws for some kind of legislation to sign that doesn't involve limiting his ability to lift sanctions against Russia.
 
2017-09-22 05:40:52 PM  
I MUST BE FED

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2017-09-22 05:41:20 PM  

skyotter: First the "rammed through" hypocrisy, now the "have to pass it to see what's in it" hypocrisy.

They're LITERALLY doing everything they accused Democrats of for the past 8 years.


None of which was actually true, or accurate...but hey, facts never stopped them before
 
2017-09-22 05:41:30 PM  
It will Make America Great Again. Duh.
 
2017-09-22 05:41:44 PM  
The only impact that it would have that Republicans care about is that it would end Obamacare. That's literally the only thing they care about, making sure that the black guy can't have a legacy of having been a good president.
 
2017-09-22 05:47:06 PM  

skyotter: First the "rammed through" hypocrisy, now the "have to pass it to see what's in it" hypocrisy.

They're LITERALLY doing everything they accused Democrats of for the past 8 years.


This has been going on for more than a decade now. Like, at least back to Rove and Rumsfeld. If you want to know what sort of shiat the Republicans are actually doing, listen to what they accuse the Democrats of doing.
 
2017-09-22 05:48:55 PM  
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2017-09-22 05:49:01 PM  

skyotter: First the "rammed through" hypocrisy, now the "have to pass it to see what's in it" hypocrisy.

They're LITERALLY doing everything they accused Democrats of for the past 8 years.


Calling the Republicans hypocrites is like calling the sun "hot". It's accurate, but completely inadequate to capture the situation.
 
2017-09-22 05:49:51 PM  
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2017-09-22 05:49:52 PM  
Hey folks, there's no way to tell what the effect will be because it's up to the individual states.

From today's WSJ:

"In fact, a state that receives a waiver from ObamaCare's regulations must show plans that retain access to "adequate and affordable" coverage for people with pre-existing conditions. ObamaCare's rules are not the only way to do this, despite the claims of Jimmy Kimmel. The Affordable Care Act's price restrictions have in practice degraded the quality of care for the ill and sent insurers shopping for healthy patients who are more profitable. (See "Pre-Existing Confusion," May 2)

States could set up high-risk pools, for example. These pools subsidize care for those who need costly treatment without concealing the expense across healthy patients, who may drop coverage if they can't afford it. This can lower premiums for everyone.

Another complaint is that Republicans may vote without a score from the Congressional Budget Office, which has said it will release a preliminary estimate but won't rule on premiums or coverage effects for several weeks. CBO forecasts are often wrong, but in this case they'd also be meaningless. The point of Graham-Cassidy is to allow states to experiment and tailor approaches to local populations. Some might try to expand Medicaid's reach or even go single-payer. Others might tinker with reinsurance. The budget office can't possibly know what 50 states would do or how that would affect coverage.

The irony is that even as critics say little is known about the bill, progressive groups are pumping out black box estimates of what would happen. A report flying around the internet from the consulting firm Avalere says that states will lose $4 trillion in funding over 20 years..."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-panic-over-graham-cassidy-1506035850​
 
2017-09-22 05:51:09 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Did you really expect him to say: "On the face of things it looks like a farking catastrophe and even in the best case scenario it'll be worse than what we have now."


Not really; just was hoping that they might find some benefits that deserve a talking point or two to try to refute the facts, but they don't even bother. That tells me that they know that it's going to be a disaster for everyone short of the super wealthy that this bill actually benefits, so they're hoping by raming it through before anyone gets a chance to look at it that it will pass and they can pretend that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. The people who would believe them already eat it up no matter what facts are shown about what the bill really does.
 
2017-09-22 05:51:11 PM  
They don't care what it does. Scary blah man did it, so they want to undo it.
 
2017-09-22 05:52:41 PM  
This new Healthcare bill will cover Shrugging Shoulders Syndrome? Sweet.
 
2017-09-22 05:53:43 PM  

fernt: Hey folks, there's no way to tell what the effect will be because it's up to the individual states.


Wow, it's almost like this bill is a disaster, but you're doing your best to try and spin it. The ACA left exchanges up to individual states- the states that took the deal are doing pretty darn well, the states that didn't are getting the shaft. In what way does this bill change the calculus?
 
2017-09-22 05:54:47 PM  

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God damnit that movie sucked.

Sucked more than the post and the poster below it.
 
2017-09-22 05:58:24 PM  

t3knomanser: fernt: Hey folks, there's no way to tell what the effect will be because it's up to the individual states.

Wow, it's almost like this bill is a disaster, but you're doing your best to try and spin it. The ACA left exchanges up to individual states- the states that took the deal are doing pretty darn well,


Come again? What the hell news sources are you reading?

Almost half of Obamacare exchanges face financial struggles in the future
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/almost-half-of​-​obamacare-exchanges-are-struggling-over-their-future/2015/05/01/f32eee​a2-ea03-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html?utm_term=.2dd01cc71cca 

$474M for 4 failed ACA exchanges
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/obamacare-cost-failed-exchanges​-​106535

Why The Obamacare Exchanges Are Failing
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-27/why-obamacare-exchanges-are-​f​ailing

Oregon's Failed ObamaCare Exchange Is A Warning For Other States
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gracemarieturner/2015/03/31/oregons-fail​e​d-obamacare-exchange-is-a-warning-for-other-states/#3d37b55825fd
 
2017-09-22 05:59:36 PM  

fernt: Hey folks, there's no way to tell what the effect will be because it's up to the individual states.


Well that's 100% bullshiat. The CBO makes estimates all the time about bills that allow states to vary in the funding or application of a law. Just because you and the WSJ don't understand it doesn't mean that other people don't.
 
2017-09-22 05:59:57 PM  

fernt: Hey folks, there's no way to tell what the effect will be because it's up to the individual states.


You're saying this as if it's a counterpoint to "we don't know what the effects will be"

Why not just take a shiat on a piece of paper and call it a health care bill, nobody can tell what will happen then either.
 
2017-09-22 06:00:28 PM  

fernt: Come again? What the hell news sources are you reading?


Ones from 2017. I mean, honestly? You're citing 2-3 year old sources to claim that exchanges are failing? If they were failing 2-3 years ago... why haven't they gone and failed already?
 
2017-09-22 06:01:16 PM  
Guys this 2 year old article from a guy that calls himself Tyler Durden says the exchanges are failing
 
2017-09-22 06:03:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Guys this 2 year old article from a guy that calls himself Tyler Durden says the exchanges are failing


Yes, Zerohedge, the site that's predicted 20 of the last 2 recessions.
 
2017-09-22 06:05:33 PM  

t3knomanser: fernt: Come again? What the hell news sources are you reading?

Ones from 2017. I mean, honestly? You're citing 2-3 year old sources to claim that exchanges are failing? If they were failing 2-3 years ago... why haven't they gone and failed already?


Why don't you search on rising premiums and get back to us?
 
2017-09-22 06:06:07 PM  

fernt: Hey folks, there's no way to tell what the effect will be because it's up to the individual states.

From today's WSJ:

"In fact, a state that receives a waiver from ObamaCare's regulations must show plans that retain access to "adequate and affordable" coverage for people with pre-existing conditions. ObamaCare's rules are not the only way to do this, despite the claims of Jimmy Kimmel. The Affordable Care Act's price restrictions have in practice degraded the quality of care for the ill and sent insurers shopping for healthy patients who are more profitable. (See "Pre-Existing Confusion," May 2)

States could set up high-risk pools, for example. These pools subsidize care for those who need costly treatment without concealing the expense across healthy patients, who may drop coverage if they can't afford it. This can lower premiums for everyone.

Another complaint is that Republicans may vote without a score from the Congressional Budget Office, which has said it will release a preliminary estimate but won't rule on premiums or coverage effects for several weeks. CBO forecasts are often wrong, but in this case they'd also be meaningless. The point of Graham-Cassidy is to allow states to experiment and tailor approaches to local populations. Some might try to expand Medicaid's reach or even go single-payer. Others might tinker with reinsurance. The budget office can't possibly know what 50 states would do or how that would affect coverage.

The irony is that even as critics say little is known about the bill, progressive groups are pumping out black box estimates of what would happen. A report flying around the internet from the consulting firm Avalere says that states will lose $4 trillion in funding over 20 years..."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-panic-over-graham-cassidy-1506035850


Anyone smell ozone?
 
2017-09-22 06:07:59 PM  

fernt: t3knomanser: fernt: Come again? What the hell news sources are you reading?

Ones from 2017. I mean, honestly? You're citing 2-3 year old sources to claim that exchanges are failing? If they were failing 2-3 years ago... why haven't they gone and failed already?

Why don't you search on rising premiums and get back to us?


Premiums weren't rising every year before that?  Oh wait, they got around it by making high deductible plans instead.  Like  $10-15,000 high.  For a single person.
 
2017-09-22 06:09:40 PM  
Who fernted, y'all?
 
2017-09-22 06:13:49 PM  
Without an ACA repeal, there's no money for upper class tax cuts. That's all this is about.
 
2017-09-22 06:14:39 PM  
None.  Failed bills have no impact.
 
2017-09-22 06:23:06 PM  

King Something: Who fernted, y'all?


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2017-09-22 06:23:16 PM  

fernt: t3knomanser: fernt: Come again? What the hell news sources are you reading?

Ones from 2017. I mean, honestly? You're citing 2-3 year old sources to claim that exchanges are failing? If they were failing 2-3 years ago... why haven't they gone and failed already?

Why don't you search on rising premiums and get back to us?


I already have

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2017-09-22 06:29:51 PM  

Duke of Madness Motors: fernt: t3knomanser: fernt: Come again? What the hell news sources are you reading?

Ones from 2017. I mean, honestly? You're citing 2-3 year old sources to claim that exchanges are failing? If they were failing 2-3 years ago... why haven't they gone and failed already?

Why don't you search on rising premiums and get back to us?

I already have

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Fernt bernt
 
2017-09-22 06:32:13 PM  
STOP SNIFFING THE STENCH
 
2017-09-22 06:36:19 PM  
Give McCain's now saying he's a 'no', I'd say the bill will have the impact of a snowball thrown into a volcano.
 
2017-09-22 06:38:13 PM  
Someone open a window.
 
2017-09-22 06:46:31 PM  

fernt: Hey folks, there's no way to tell what the effect will be because it's up to the individual states.


So, if representatives and senators don't know how it will impact their state, why would they support it? Besides simply stigginit.
 
2017-09-22 06:49:42 PM  
Ok, fernt, what benefit do you see from this bill that nobody else is seeing?
 
2017-09-22 06:52:16 PM  

iron_city_ap: fernt: Hey folks, there's no way to tell what the effect will be because it's up to the individual states.

So, if representatives and senators don't know how it will impact their state, why would they support it?


Because they can define and stipulate it.

Next question.
 
2017-09-22 06:54:56 PM  

jsnbase: Ok, fernt, what benefit do you see from this bill that nobody else is seeing?


Plenty of people realize the benefit of local control over centralized, Washington control of a hell of a lot of things. Starting with the Framers and Founders.

The way healthcare dollars are best spent in Alaska is probably different than the way healthcare dollars are spent in Texas, for example.
 
2017-09-22 06:56:54 PM  

fernt: jsnbase: Ok, fernt, what benefit do you see from this bill that nobody else is seeing?

Plenty of people realize the benefit of local control over centralized, Washington control of a hell of a lot of things. Starting with the Framers and Founders.

The way healthcare dollars are best spent in Alaska is probably different than the way healthcare dollars are spent in Texas, for example.


Because Alaskans are a different species and biologically distinct?
 
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