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2017-09-22 12:21:10 AM  
It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.
 
2017-09-22 12:32:12 AM  

EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.


This.  Policies like that are in place to protect employees - just hand over the money and let the guy leave peacefully, getting into a shootout greatly increases the chances that you are going to get shot, or that the next person who tries to rob the place is just going to shoot first.

If you don't feel safe at your workplace, find another workplace.  It's not like cashier at a convenience store is a particularly hard gig to improve upon.
 
2017-09-22 12:52:01 AM  
She broke the rules of the delicate, informal agreement between clerks and robbers.
 
2017-09-22 01:06:03 AM  
Yeah, when a guy comes into the store with a gun, why give him reasons to use it? Give him the cash and wish him a very nice day. Your life isn't worth it.
 
2017-09-22 01:59:10 AM  

EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.


It's not the employer's life on the line.
 
2017-09-22 02:04:43 AM  
"He pointed the gun at my face, I grabbed my gun from my pocket, I cocked it and I shot," she said.

She's pretty lucky she got a robber with really slow reflexes.
 
2017-09-22 03:35:23 AM  
Since armed robbers are typically reasonable and don't shoot compliant employees, I see no reason why she should be carrying a gun.
 
2017-09-22 03:41:50 AM  
Don't corporations have insurance for this ... and wouldn't it cost the company more to clean up your dead body than to replace a handful of cash?
 
2017-09-22 03:48:50 AM  

doglover: EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.

It's not the employer's life on the line.


Exactly, so far the majority of posts have been: roll over and let an armed robber point a gun in your face.  Your life and death depends on their shaky trigger finger from drug addiction / adrenaline.  fark that, shoot them, less bad guys stealing shiat = better society.

/seriously, realizing FARK may be a pen pal site for San Quentin
 
2017-09-22 03:56:41 AM  
These responses... LOL

So many sheltered people in this country...

if YOU want to take a chance and be at the mercy of a deranged individual.. that is YOUR choice.  But just STFU with the "there's no need to try and defend yourself" whargarbl as if you are some authority into the motivations and intentions of all armed robbers.

The only explanation for otherwise intelligent people to come to such moronic conclusions is a great lack of exposure to reality.  It's unbelievable some of the stupid shiat I read on here.  You idiots are sheltered and delusional.  Go ahead and let an armed robber make the decision about whether you live or die.  It may not be like the movies though where everything ends well and everyone has a good laugh about it.  Smh...
 
2017-09-22 03:59:22 AM  

thegreatmurgatroid: These responses... LOL

So many sheltered people in this country...

if YOU want to take a chance and be at the mercy of a deranged individual.. that is YOUR choice.  But just STFU with the "there's no need to try and defend yourself" whargarbl as if you are some authority into the motivations and intentions of all armed robbers.

The only explanation for otherwise intelligent people to come to such moronic conclusions is a great lack of exposure to reality.  It's unbelievable some of the stupid shiat I read on here.  You idiots are sheltered and delusional.  Go ahead and let an armed robber make the decision about whether you live or die.  It may not be like the movies though where everything ends well and everyone has a good laugh about it.  Smh...


Fark is full of sheltered nutters.
 
2017-09-22 03:59:52 AM  
Many years ago I worked at a national chain donut shop that was open and the manager was working the graveyard shift because someone had called in sick. I might have been there but I was away from home and she couldn't get a hold of me. She was held up and did every thing according to corporate policy and handed over the money. The robber then shot her anyway (she did survive). It was his MO to shoot the clerk as he left. He did this at several places and killed one person. I worked there another three months until I got another job and you better believe I was packing.
 
2017-09-22 04:01:38 AM  

werty789: Many years ago I worked at a national chain donut shop that was open and the manager was working the graveyard shift because someone had called in sick. I might have been there but I was away from home and she couldn't get a hold of me. She was held up and did every thing according to corporate policy and handed over the money. The robber then shot her anyway (she did survive). It was his MO to shoot the clerk as he left. He did this at several places and killed one person. I worked there another three months until I got another job and you better believe I was packing.


Unpossible according to the posts above if she complied the robber would have thanked her and let her go.
 
2017-09-22 04:06:17 AM  
she broke two rules of common sense.

1. it's not your money. give the robber what he asks for.

2. you never ever draw a weapon on someone who's already drawn on you.

she's lucky she's still alive.
 
2017-09-22 04:06:44 AM  

Phony_Soldier: werty789: Many years ago I worked at a national chain donut shop that was open and the manager was working the graveyard shift because someone had called in sick. I might have been there but I was away from home and she couldn't get a hold of me. She was held up and did every thing according to corporate policy and handed over the money. The robber then shot her anyway (she did survive). It was his MO to shoot the clerk as he left. He did this at several places and killed one person. I worked there another three months until I got another job and you better believe I was packing.

Unpossible according to the posts above if she complied the robber would have thanked her and let her go.


Yes... this post doesn't fit the narrative.  Mods please purge this post because surely it's the post that's incorrect and not my sheltered worldview.  Everyone knows armed robbers deserve respect and to be listened to. After all why should someone be able to defend themselves with lethal force.. who made them  judge, jury, and executioner??!
 
2017-09-22 04:07:47 AM  
Erm, I've seen plenty of videos where the clerk does everything they're supposed to do and still get shot/ killed.

I think this particular clerk just had enough. Her life is at the whim of criminals on whether she lives or not. You guys seem to think that if she complies, that's the end of it. It might not be, and to be killed by doing absolutely nothing, even to defend herself in some way, is a crappy way to go.

Can't imagine having a gun pointed at me on a regular basis and playing the 'will he or wont he' game. Must fark you up somewhat.

Good on her - shame it wasn't a direct hit to the crim's face.
 
2017-09-22 04:10:52 AM  

GungFu: Erm, I've seen plenty of videos where the clerk does everything they're supposed to do and still get shot/ killed.


you know why? because no one is going to click a video titled "robber demands money. clerk complies and robber leaves. no one injured."
 
2017-09-22 04:13:14 AM  

log_jammin: GungFu: Erm, I've seen plenty of videos where the clerk does everything they're supposed to do and still get shot/ killed.

you know why? because no one is going to click a video titled "robber demands money. clerk complies and robber leaves. no one injured."


Erm, there's plenty of those as well. Usually on crime shows trying to ID the perp.
 
2017-09-22 04:14:59 AM  
You gotta do what you gotta do to go home to your family at the end of the shift.  fark your employer.  Do you think they'd spend the next however long making payments to your family in place of your income if you got shot over their money?
 
2017-09-22 04:15:06 AM  

EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.


Missing the point completely, and, I strongly suspect, deliberately.

I take  clear and direct threats to my life seriously.  You don't.  That is unwise.

 Im not a gun nut or some wanna be bad ass. I don't carry a weapon, either.  Fact is, we are literally talking life and death here, not 20 bucks and change from the insured register.  Pointing out that most of the time, if you just cooperate, they will take the money and run isn't comforting when you have a gun in your face  and  the stakes are so high.  Buh buh, negligent discharge, statistically speaking,  redneck......this one guy shot himself.....more dangerous....
You just don't understand what life is like for some people, but that doesn't stop you from telling them how to live.  Also unwise.
 
2017-09-22 04:16:19 AM  
I think the two issues people are discussing here are separate. You retain the right of self defense. She was defending herself, which is why the robber is the one in legal trouble. Your employer gets to set policy, which she violated, which is why she got suspended. Your right to self defense doesn't supersede their right to set policy.

In general, it's better for everyone if you just hand over the money. If armed robbers know clerks and others will be armed, they'll just shoot you to start with then steal the money. Armored cars get robbed and those guards are armed. It's not like armed robbers are going to say "Gee, all my victims are armed these days, I guess I can't rob people anymore".
 
2017-09-22 04:23:06 AM  

SoupGuru: Give him the cash and wish him a very nice day.


Then shoot him in the back until your magazine is empty, because if he's willing to risk your  life to take your employer's money then it's only a matter of time until he actually follows through and murder someone, and if you let him live when you have the opportunity to remove that possibility then you're essentially responsible for one or more innocent deaths yourself.
 
2017-09-22 04:24:04 AM  

thegreatmurgatroid: These responses... LOL

So many sheltered people in this country...

if YOU want to take a chance and be at the mercy of a deranged individual.. that is YOUR choice.  But just STFU with the "there's no need to try and defend yourself" whargarbl as if you are some authority into the motivations and intentions of all armed robbers.

The only explanation for otherwise intelligent people to come to such moronic conclusions is a great lack of exposure to reality.  It's unbelievable some of the stupid shiat I read on here.  You idiots are sheltered and delusional.  Go ahead and let an armed robber make the decision about whether you live or die.  It may not be like the movies though where everything ends well and everyone has a good laugh about it.  Smh...


Indeed. No one wants to get shot in the face. So what if he and his friends have the drop on you and you haven't spent much time practicing your quick draw how hard can it be to shoot some bad guys? Afterwards you can ride off into the sunset with Grace Kelly so cowboy it up!

/yippee-ki-yay motherfarker!
 
2017-09-22 04:26:39 AM  

Sid_6.7: She broke the rules of the delicate, informal agreement between clerks and robbers.


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2017-09-22 04:27:43 AM  

Phony_Soldier: thegreatmurgatroid: These responses... LOL

So many sheltered people in this country...

if YOU want to take a chance and be at the mercy of a deranged individual.. that is YOUR choice.  But just STFU with the "there's no need to try and defend yourself" whargarbl as if you are some authority into the motivations and intentions of all armed robbers.

The only explanation for otherwise intelligent people to come to such moronic conclusions is a great lack of exposure to reality.  It's unbelievable some of the stupid shiat I read on here.  You idiots are sheltered and delusional.  Go ahead and let an armed robber make the decision about whether you live or die.  It may not be like the movies though where everything ends well and everyone has a good laugh about it.  Smh...

Fark is full of sheltered nutters.


Many of them think that carrying a gun will solve problems they have never had.
 
2017-09-22 04:31:08 AM  

orbister: Phony_Soldier: thegreatmurgatroid: These responses... LOL

So many sheltered people in this country...

if YOU want to take a chance and be at the mercy of a deranged individual.. that is YOUR choice.  But just STFU with the "there's no need to try and defend yourself" whargarbl as if you are some authority into the motivations and intentions of all armed robbers.

The only explanation for otherwise intelligent people to come to such moronic conclusions is a great lack of exposure to reality.  It's unbelievable some of the stupid shiat I read on here.  You idiots are sheltered and delusional.  Go ahead and let an armed robber make the decision about whether you live or die.  It may not be like the movies though where everything ends well and everyone has a good laugh about it.  Smh...

Fark is full of sheltered nutters.

Many of them think that carrying a gun will solve problems they have never had.


Yes tell us the way truth-knower.  Lead us to the light of knowledge.
 
2017-09-22 04:32:24 AM  

orbister: Phony_Soldier: thegreatmurgatroid: These responses... LOL

So many sheltered people in this country...

if YOU want to take a chance and be at the mercy of a deranged individual.. that is YOUR choice.  But just STFU with the "there's no need to try and defend yourself" whargarbl as if you are some authority into the motivations and intentions of all armed robbers.

The only explanation for otherwise intelligent people to come to such moronic conclusions is a great lack of exposure to reality.  It's unbelievable some of the stupid shiat I read on here.  You idiots are sheltered and delusional.  Go ahead and let an armed robber make the decision about whether you live or die.  It may not be like the movies though where everything ends well and everyone has a good laugh about it.  Smh...

Fark is full of sheltered nutters.

Many of them think that carrying a gun will solve problems they have never had.


Don't know about farkers and carrying, but in this case it did solve her problem.
 
2017-09-22 05:16:23 AM  
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Getting a little stuffy in here - better turn on the filter.
 
2017-09-22 05:19:57 AM  

EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.


No, but she's allow to protect her own life with deadly force. Someone pointing a gun at your head qualifies in that respect.

Of course if the company wanted to protect their staff and prevent incidents like this they could implement more deterrents - high definition security cameras in and around the store, better lighting, security glass, limited cash in the till etc.
 
2017-09-22 05:30:56 AM  

thegreatmurgatroid: These responses... LOL

So many sheltered people in this country...

if YOU want to take a chance and be at the mercy of a deranged individual.. that is YOUR choice.  But just STFU with the "there's no need to try and defend yourself" whargarbl as if you are some authority into the motivations and intentions of all armed robbers.

The only explanation for otherwise intelligent people to come to such moronic conclusions is a great lack of exposure to reality.  It's unbelievable some of the stupid shiat I read on here.  You idiots are sheltered and delusional.  Go ahead and let an armed robber make the decision about whether you live or die.  It may not be like the movies though where everything ends well and everyone has a good laugh about it.  Smh...


It worked for her.  She's lucky.  Her assailant was probably using a BB gun or something like that. I can't say for certain, but if bet $10 that she agreed to comply with the demands of any stick-up artists that may decide demand the till.  Or maybe not.  I live in a state where your employer can fire you for providing CPR to someone that's been injured on the job.

Either way, if she violated company policy she deserves the suspension.  Perhaps this shooting was justified--it doesn't mean the next patron shot by convenience store clerk will be... I'm sure I'm not the only one that remembers a 12 year old girl being shot in the back of the head by a Korean clerk for shoplifting a candy bar.
 
2017-09-22 05:35:13 AM  
see? maybe automation taking over some jobs won't be so bad after all.
 
2017-09-22 05:39:43 AM  

sinko swimo: see? maybe automation taking over some jobs won't be so bad after all.


Why the hell would we build robots to hold up gas stations?
 
2017-09-22 05:44:03 AM  

electricjebus: sinko swimo: see? maybe automation taking over some jobs won't be so bad after all.

Why the hell would we build robots to hold up gas stations?


Catch up with the telemarketing industry, who are already using robots to commit fraud.
 
2017-09-22 06:06:32 AM  

FarkQued: doglover: EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.

It's not the employer's life on the line.

Exactly, so far the majority of posts have been: roll over and let an armed robber point a gun in your face.  Your life and death depends on their shaky trigger finger from drug addiction / adrenaline.  fark that, shoot them, less bad guys stealing shiat = better society.

/seriously, realizing FARK may be a pen pal site for San Quentin


Which explains all the anti-cop posts. Makes it easier for the murderers to get away with it
 
2017-09-22 06:15:07 AM  
 Every time I post on FARK a murderer goes free?
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2017-09-22 06:18:39 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: Every time I post on FARK a murderer goes free?
   sadface.jpg


Liberals ruin everything : (
 
2017-09-22 06:23:20 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: Every time I post on FARK a murderer goes free?
   sadface.jpg


my uncle just died because of your post. thanks asshole....
 
2017-09-22 06:23:42 AM  
It's ok guys. The NRA will likely offer her a job running their gift shop in the next state over.
 
2017-09-22 06:34:50 AM  

EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.


She wasn't protecting their money, she was protecting herself.
"He pointed the gun at my face, I grabbed my gun from my pocket, I cocked it and I shot," she said.

Do a quick google search for 'gas station employee killed during robbery' and  some of the articles. Those clerks are in a vulnerable position and deserve a modicum of protection. Most gas station/convenience stores don't provide ANY.
 
2017-09-22 06:39:59 AM  
Sounds like a violation of her constitutional 2nd Amendment rights.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A person's right to bear arms is their right to own and use guns, as a means of defense."-https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/bea​r-arms
 
2017-09-22 06:44:01 AM  

Phony_Soldier: werty789: Many years ago I worked at a national chain donut shop that was open and the manager was working the graveyard shift because someone had called in sick. I might have been there but I was away from home and she couldn't get a hold of me. She was held up and did every thing according to corporate policy and handed over the money. The robber then shot her anyway (she did survive). It was his MO to shoot the clerk as he left. He did this at several places and killed one person. I worked there another three months until I got another job and you better believe I was packing.

Unpossible according to the posts above if she complied the robber would have thanked her and let her go.


Probably would have left a tip also.
 
2017-09-22 06:45:13 AM  

JRoo: Sounds like a violation of her constitutional 2nd Amendment rights.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A person's right to bear arms is their right to own and use guns, as a means of defense."-https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/bear​-arms


how exactly were her rights violated?
 
2017-09-22 06:45:20 AM  

JRoo: Sounds like a violation of her constitutional 2nd Amendment rights.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A person's right to bear arms is their right to own and use guns, as a means of defense."-https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/bear​-arms


And how did the government infringe upon her rights? I'm sure your workplace has a rule about weapons on company property too.  This is as dumb an argument about free speech rights when someone gets fired for saying something stupid.
 
2017-09-22 06:46:57 AM  
It's too early for a gun thread and it's Friday.... I'm gonna let this thread percolate and heat up a while.... I'll be back.

/watch for spills
//clean up after yourselves
///and please, don't hold back.
 
2017-09-22 06:47:49 AM  

DLinds: EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.

She wasn't protecting their money, she was protecting herself.
"He pointed the gun at my face, I grabbed my gun from my pocket, I cocked it and I shot," she said.

Do a quick google search for 'gas station employee killed during robbery' and  some of the articles. Those clerks are in a vulnerable position and deserve a modicum of protection. Most gas station/convenience stores don't provide ANY.


I'm not saying they shouldn't protect themselves but she got extremely lucky. If someone has the drop on you like that they have a much better chance of getting a shot off before you do. That was pretty ballsy of her. Fortunately for her it worked out in her favor.
 
2017-09-22 06:48:34 AM  

MechaPyx: I'm not saying they shouldn't protect themselves but she got extremely lucky. If someone has the drop on you like that they have a much better chance of getting a shot off before you do. That was pretty ballsy of her. Fortunately for her it worked out in her favor.


someone gets it.
 
2017-09-22 06:52:14 AM  

log_jammin: JRoo: Sounds like a violation of her constitutional 2nd Amendment rights.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A person's right to bear arms is their right to own and use guns, as a means of defense."-https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/bear​-arms

how exactly were her rights violated?


The constitution says as an American citizen she has the right to carry a gun and use it in defense of herself. That's what she did.

Her rights were violated by her employer taking action against her for doing something perfectly legal.
 
2017-09-22 06:53:43 AM  
The robber lived, that's the real crying shame here.
 
2017-09-22 06:56:07 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: JRoo: Sounds like a violation of her constitutional 2nd Amendment rights.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A person's right to bear arms is their right to own and use guns, as a means of defense."-https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/bear​-arms

And how did the government infringe upon her rights? I'm sure your workplace has a rule about weapons on company property too.  This is as dumb an argument about free speech rights when someone gets fired for saying something stupid.


Why did you ask my opinion if you think my argument is dumb?

Also, I think constitutional law is above workplace rules. That's pretty much why we have laws.

Anyway, if the constitution says as an American citizen she has the right to carry a gun and use it in defense of herself and that's what she did, then her rights were violated by her employer taking action against her for doing something perfectly legal.
 
2017-09-22 06:56:22 AM  

MechaPyx: DLinds: EvilEgg: It's not your money, if your employer doesn't want you to protect it with deadly force, simply don't.

She wasn't protecting their money, she was protecting herself.
"He pointed the gun at my face, I grabbed my gun from my pocket, I cocked it and I shot," she said.

Do a quick google search for 'gas station employee killed during robbery' and  some of the articles. Those clerks are in a vulnerable position and deserve a modicum of protection. Most gas station/convenience stores don't provide ANY.

I'm not saying they shouldn't protect themselves but she got extremely lucky. If someone has the drop on you like that they have a much better chance of getting a shot off before you do. That was pretty ballsy of her. Fortunately for her it worked out in her favor.


Makes me think the guy had no intention of shooting her. But then of course she couldn't know that.
 
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