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(Think Progress)   Mike Pence dodges a question on Trumpcare by making up a fake quote by Thomas Jefferson. Can we get a smokebomb tag yet, please?   ( thinkprogress.org) divider line
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2017-09-21 07:20:06 PM  
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2017-09-21 07:38:39 PM  
Mike Pence to victims of Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria ""Thomas Jefferson said, 'Government that governs least, governs best,'"
 
2017-09-21 11:58:06 PM  
provision requiring any state that applies for a waiver to describe "how the state intends to maintain adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions."

Magic!

There, that was easy.
 
2017-09-22 01:13:14 AM  
A Boobies tag would be more effective against Pence.
 
2017-09-22 01:19:36 AM  

fusillade762: provision requiring any state that applies for a waiver to describe "how the state intends to maintain adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions."

Magic!

There, that was easy.


Only works if you legally define: "Adequate", "Affordable", AND "Pre-existing condition".

Do that, and their plan could potentially be slightly less bad.
 
2017-09-22 01:19:51 AM  
Lightning would be appropriate, if God still intervened in human affairs. Believe in the Bible or not, He hasn't given any clear messages in 2000 years.

It's like the last quarter of Mythbusters where they say, did we learn everything? Good, let's blow it all up. Or the science experiment is over, and you give the ants artificial flavoring and watch them freak out. Only with hurricanes and earthquakes and false prophets.
 
2017-09-22 01:20:16 AM  
He is not a smart man.
 
2017-09-22 01:26:35 AM  
I wonder what he would say about "defense" spending?
Not really.  I know what ALL "Christian" Republicans would say.

Thomas Jefferson said "Let's murder some more brown skinned foreigners!  So let's go broke killing them and their babies."

"Christian" Republicans are so "pro-life."  They all love murder of innocents.
 
2017-09-22 01:26:39 AM  

megarian: He is not a smart man.


Counter-point: We're not a smart country.
 
2017-09-22 01:29:58 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: megarian: He is not a smart man.

Counter-point: We're not a smart country.


At least we're pretty?
 
2017-09-22 01:30:06 AM  

rosebud_the_sled: I wonder what he would say about "defense" spending?
Not really.  I know what ALL "Christian" Republicans would say.

Thomas Jefferson said "Let's murder some more brown skinned foreigners!  So let's go broke killing them and their babies."

"Christian" Republicans are so "pro-life."  They all love murder of innocents.


I think it's pretty well documented that Jefferson loved people of color. Frequently.
 
2017-09-22 01:31:29 AM  
Mike majored in American History--Hanover should revoke his degree because he clearly didn't learn a goddamn thing.

His senior thesis was a dissertation on the faith of Abraham Lincoln, painting him as a fundie Christian, which anyone else who studied history knows is a crock.
 
2017-09-22 01:31:47 AM  
Thank you, 63 million Trump voters. Hope your loved ones suffer like the millions you will have made to suffer.

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2017-09-22 01:32:08 AM  
I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.
 
2017-09-22 01:32:43 AM  
Speaking of Mike Dense, did he tell Mother that he talked to a woman today?
 
2017-09-22 01:34:56 AM  

Captain Shaky: I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.


A lot of it is the mentality that there has to be a winner and a loser in everything and that the winner needs to stomp on the loser's throat after the game is over.
 
2017-09-22 01:38:27 AM  

fusillade762: provision requiring any state that applies for a waiver to describe "how the state intends to maintain adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions."

Magic!

There, that was easy.


I heard Eirin has a shady new drug that needs testing....
 
2017-09-22 01:40:30 AM  

rosebud_the_sled: I wonder what he would say about "defense" spending?
Not really.  I know what ALL "Christian" Republicans would say.

Thomas Jefferson said "Let's murder some more brown skinned foreigners!  So let's go broke killing them and their babies."

"Christian" Republicans are so "pro-life."  They all love murder of innocents.


The leader of the free worldTM spoke at the UN the other day. He spent half of his speech insisting that the nations of the world do more to respect other nation's sovereignty, and the other half of the speech talking about how some countries need to be invaded.

I suspect there are many people who don't realize that their positions don't make sense.
 
2017-09-22 01:43:40 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Thank you, 63 million Trump voters. Hope your loved ones suffer like the millions you will have made to suffer.

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No, I don't wanna fark whatever creature they are.
 
2017-09-22 01:46:22 AM  
To be fair, Pence didn't make up the quote. It's a pretty common US misattribution.
 
2017-09-22 01:47:28 AM  

Captain Shaky: I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.


Because rights are not for some. Single payer or fark off. For the last 70+ years we've been the only "civilized" nation to rely on a for-profit healthcare model and we're learning through exposure to the rest of the world that it doesn't work, it's unfair, and has no place in the nation we try to paint ourselves as.

The problem, is 110% the republicans. They just want to see who they can hurt, and the fact that a single payer public health care system would cover the poors, and women, and abortions, they can't stand it. And of course a large section of the electorate is the "silent majority" which is a code word for low-information, and willing to hate "OH MY GAWD THE SOSHULIZUMZ!" single payer because Ted Cruz or Mike Pence said it was evil.

Our founding documents outline "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (Not life liberty and property as the right wing would have you believe) and a system which either denies medical coverage outright due to an inability to pay, or enslaves you for the rest of your life under the pall of medical debt flies in the face of all three principals. It denies the right to life, it denies the liberty of those it is inflicted upon and it ensures that happiness will be only a fleeting hope.

Of course that is all secondary to this current attempt at destroying the healthcare system. This time, none of the hair-helmeted stooges even read the damn bill ALEC put in front of them. They're just trying to ram it through using procedural bullshiat.
 
2017-09-22 01:48:04 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: Captain Shaky: I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.

A lot of it is the mentality that there has to be a winner and a loser in everything and that the winner needs to stomp on the loser's throat after the game is over.


Oh yeah. My drinking led me to forget how US politics work for a moment. I was being inappropriately hopeful and optimistic, I apologize.
 
2017-09-22 01:49:05 AM  
"Mike pence is a dildo if you are brave enough" - the skinny guy from zz top
 
2017-09-22 01:56:32 AM  
The government that governs least invites the most corruption.
 
2017-09-22 01:58:43 AM  

Secret Troll Alt: Captain Shaky: I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.

Because rights are not for some. Single payer or fark off.

Secret Troll Alt: For the last 70+ years we've been the only "civilized" nation to rely on a for-profit healthcare model and we're learning through exposure to the rest of the world that it doesn't work

, it's unfair, and has no place in the nation we try to paint ourselves as.

The problem, is 110% the republicans. They just want to see who they can hurt, and the fact that a single payer public health care system would cover the poors, and women, and abortions, they can't stand it. And of course a large section of the electorate is the "silent majority" which is a code word for low-information, and willing to hate "OH MY GAWD THE SOSHULIZUMZ!" single payer because Ted Cruz or Mike Pence said it was evil.

Our founding documents outline "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (Not life liberty and property as the right wing would have you believe) and a system which either denies m ...


Secret Troll Alt: "Because rights are not for some."

Public option is meant for anyone interested. It isn't "for some." It is for everyone. But it isn't the ONLY option.

Secret Troll Alt: "For the last 70+ years we've been the only "civilized" nation to rely on a for-profit healthcare model and we're learning through exposure to the rest of the world that it doesn't work"

Except that that is not true. MOST of the developed world uses a hybridized healthcare system. And the nation with the best healthcare results in the world (*tied) uses a fully privatized system (Switzerland).

Universal healthcare isn't the only option that works.
 
2017-09-22 02:01:55 AM  

FatherChaos: The government that governs least invites the most corruption.


That's the republican MO. They want the least government possible so that nobody notices them robbing social security, accepting bribes from lobbyists, destroying the very fabric of American society for personal profit, and diverting military spending to defense contractors they have a stake in.

Seeing what we've seen these last 8 months, I don't even think "evil" is a strong enough word for the GOP. What they're doing would be a laugh riot with how incredibly over the top 'snidely whiplash' it all is, if the fate of millions weren't being decided by these hair-helmeted clowns.
 
2017-09-22 02:04:05 AM  

stoli n coke: I think it's pretty well documented that Jefferson loved people of color. Frequently.


Along those lines, I would have to write that I agree with him, but then, they weren't my slaves.  At least, until afterwards.  If you know what I mean.  I was just a man standing tall for a long time.

Not braggin'.
Just tellin'.
A very tall tale.
 
2017-09-22 02:12:29 AM  

Captain Shaky: Secret Troll Alt: Captain Shaky: I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.

Because rights are not for some. Single payer or fark off. Secret Troll Alt: For the last 70+ years we've been the only "civilized" nation to rely on a for-profit healthcare model and we're learning through exposure to the rest of the world that it doesn't work

, it's unfair, and has no place in the nation we try to paint ourselves as.

The problem, is 110% the republicans. They just want to see who they can hurt, and the fact that a single payer public health care system would cover the poors, and women, and abortions, they can't stand it. And of course a large section of the electorate is the "silent majority" which is a code word for low-information, and willing to hate "OH MY GAWD THE SOSHULIZUMZ!" single payer because Ted Cruz or Mike Pence said it was evil.

Our founding documents outline "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (Not life liberty and property as the right wing would have you belie ...


You seem to think that passing a medicare for all option will mean outlawing the private insurers. It won't. What will need to be done though is insulate the system form lobbyists who will try to get the GOP to completely gut it. Because if there's an option for medicare for all, and it can negotiate drug prices and there's cost caps as there are now, the private insurers won't be able to compete. They're out to make money, not serve the public good.

We can go for a hybrid system. But none of this "For some" bullshiat. It needs to be completely open to every single man woman and child. No proving your income or jumping through the million hoops that medicaid needs. Oh, but people would still pay the medicare tax, so that's evil socialism. Whatever will we do.
 
2017-09-22 02:16:57 AM  
So Mikey, the government which governs least, governs best? And how many "insert government into uteri" bills did you sign as governor of Indiana again?
 
2017-09-22 02:24:30 AM  
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2017-09-22 02:25:50 AM  

Secret Troll Alt: FatherChaos: The government that governs least invites the most corruption.

That's the republican MO. They want the least government possible so that nobody notices them robbing social security, accepting bribes from lobbyists, destroying the very fabric of American society for personal profit, and diverting military spending to defense contractors they have a stake in.

Seeing what we've seen these last 8 months, I don't even think "evil" is a strong enough word for the GOP. What they're doing would be a laugh riot with how incredibly over the top 'snidely whiplash' it all is, if the fate of millions weren't being decided by these hair-helmeted clowns.


Starting in the 1930's we put together a secret plan to use Chile as a testbed for right wing economics. We used taxpayer dollars to fund educating Chilean intellectuals in the "Chicago school" of economics. Eventually (the 1970's) we helped overthrow the Chilean Government for a fiscally far-rightwing tyrant.

Pinochet followed the economics of James McGill Buchanan closest. James McGill Buchanan is ALSO the economist that most GOP think tanks are based around, as well as a favorite of the Koch brothers.

Policies included privatizing the nations public education system, dismantling the nation's safety net and welfare programs, privatizing the freeway system..... etc.

Even Buchanan believed that his own economic policies would create such an enormous underclass that democracy would have to be suspended or drastically subverted. But, Chilean stock soared, and investors made a LOT of money. This is the aim of the GOP. They KNOW that their ideas attract wealth and investment to US business..... and they ALSO know that it HARMS most of the populace.

In Chile, unemployment soared. Most of the population had to watch billion dollar skyscrapers get built on their skyline..... from their plywood houses. But there was no dissent, because THAT would only get you killed.
 
2017-09-22 02:26:46 AM  
All these "small government" politicians should lead by example and resign.
 
2017-09-22 02:29:50 AM  

Teufelaffe: All these "small government" politicians should swallow a bullet


Pet peeve, had to fix that for you.
 
2017-09-22 02:30:53 AM  
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2017-09-22 02:32:12 AM  
Pence knows that if a Blue State in the US is made more attractive through good affordable  health care, all the brown and poor people will flock to it, leaving Indiana and other Red States more white and rich although with a comprised health system.

Much of this you can deduce from his reason for never being alone with a woman other than his wife.
 
2017-09-22 02:32:58 AM  

Captain Shaky: Secret Troll Alt: FatherChaos: The government that governs least invites the most corruption.

That's the republican MO. They want the least government possible so that nobody notices them robbing social security, accepting bribes from lobbyists, destroying the very fabric of American society for personal profit, and diverting military spending to defense contractors they have a stake in.

Seeing what we've seen these last 8 months, I don't even think "evil" is a strong enough word for the GOP. What they're doing would be a laugh riot with how incredibly over the top 'snidely whiplash' it all is, if the fate of millions weren't being decided by these hair-helmeted clowns.

Starting in the 1930's we put together a secret plan to use Chile as a testbed for right wing economics. We used taxpayer dollars to fund educating Chilean intellectuals in the "Chicago school" of economics. Eventually (the 1970's) we helped overthrow the Chilean Government for a fiscally far-rightwing tyrant.

Pinochet followed the economics of James McGill Buchanan closest. James McGill Buchanan is ALSO the economist that most GOP think tanks are based around, as well as a favorite of the Koch brothers.

Policies included privatizing the nations public education system, dismantling the nation's safety net and welfare programs, privatizing the freeway system..... etc.

Even Buchanan believed that his own economic policies would create such an enormous underclass that democracy would have to be suspended or drastically subverted. But, Chilean stock soared, and investors made a LOT of money. This is the aim of the GOP. They KNOW that their ideas attract wealth and investment to US business..... and they ALSO know that it HARMS most of the populace.

In Chile, unemployment soared. Most of the population had to watch billion dollar skyscrapers get built on their skyline..... from their plywood houses. But there was no dissent, because THAT would only get you killed.


During the election, there were people on Fark explicitly saying that America could use a Pinochet. As we now know that Poe's Law is dead, even if those Farkers were trolls, we know there are a lot of people who honestly believe it.

There is nothing redeemable about the GOP. Their policies have repeatedly, objectively been shown to be harmful to everyone that wasn't born a billionaire. They would sell orphans for Soylent Green if they thought they could get away with it.
 
2017-09-22 02:36:02 AM  
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2017-09-22 02:37:22 AM  

ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 425x666]


Totally fake. Just count the stars.
 
2017-09-22 02:37:49 AM  

Captain Shaky: Secret Troll Alt: Captain Shaky: I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.

Because rights are not for some. Single payer or fark off. Secret Troll Alt: For the last 70+ years we've been the only "civilized" nation to rely on a for-profit healthcare model and we're learning through exposure to the rest of the world that it doesn't work

, it's unfair, and has no place in the nation we try to paint ourselves as.

The problem, is 110% the republicans. They just want to see who they can hurt, and the fact that a single payer public health care system would cover the poors, and women, and abortions, they can't stand it. And of course a large section of the electorate is the "silent majority" which is a code word for low-information, and willing to hate "OH MY GAWD THE SOSHULIZUMZ!" single payer because Ted Cruz or Mike Pence said it was evil.

Our founding documents outline "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (Not life liberty and property as the right wing would have you belie ...


France has better patient satisfaction than Switzerland, lower costs and outcomes that are as good or better.
 
2017-09-22 02:40:26 AM  

sxacho: ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 425x666]

Totally fake. Just count the stars.


Oh hello, Dr. Tyson.
 
2017-09-22 02:40:26 AM  
"Brown sugar, how come you taste so good? - TJ

/yes, I know, it ain't about a woman
 
2017-09-22 02:48:52 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Thank you, 63 million Trump voters. Hope your loved ones suffer like the millions you will have made to suffer.

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I need that shirt, only I want mine to say F*CK YOUR DIABETES.
 
2017-09-22 02:50:34 AM  

Secret Troll Alt: Captain Shaky: Secret Troll Alt: Captain Shaky: I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.

Because rights are not for some. Single payer or fark off. Secret Troll Alt: For the last 70+ years we've been the only "civilized" nation to rely on a for-profit healthcare model and we're learning through exposure to the rest of the world that it doesn't work

, it's unfair, and has no place in the nation we try to paint ourselves as.

The problem, is 110% the republicans. They just want to see who they can hurt, and the fact that a single payer public health care system would cover the poors, and women, and abortions, they can't stand it. And of course a large section of the electorate is the "silent majority" which is a code word for low-information, and willing to hate "OH MY GAWD THE SOSHULIZUMZ!" single payer because Ted Cruz or Mike Pence said it was evil.

Our founding documents outline "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (Not life liberty and property as the right wing would ...


AH. Our only argument (I think) is that you want premiums to come out of taxes, and that private insurers can only offer upgrades to the insurance you already have. While I want Government insurance for anyone who doesn't get insurance from a private company, but allow the Government to charge premiums to those who can afford it, from JUST those who are on the Government option.

Everybody still gets insured either way, and there is still a place for private insurance and employer provided insurance plans. So I don't think we fundamentally disagree on anything.
 
2017-09-22 02:56:16 AM  

ViolentEastCoastCity: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Thank you, 63 million Trump voters. Hope your loved ones suffer like the millions you will have made to suffer.

[img.fark.net image 480x360]

I need that shirt, only I want mine to say F*CK YOUR DIABETES.


(Bout to go check to see if cafepress is still a thing... thinks about it for a minute and remembers not only does my mom have a vinyl cutting printer like thing and an embroidery machine, but she is only 10 miles away. Thinks about it a little more, wonders what the markup on cafepress is)

/in the extreme off chance my mom reads this, obviously joking, you know those farkers owe me money from over a decade ago over at cafepress, my "I got wood" shirt sold well.
 
2017-09-22 03:03:34 AM  
Like Mike Pence said, "Why do they sell hot dogs in packs of 8,when you only have one anus?"
 
2017-09-22 03:05:36 AM  
As George Washington said, thou shalt not bear false witness.
 
2017-09-22 03:28:51 AM  

STDMan69: "Mike pence is a dildo if you are brave enough" - the skinny guy from zz top


 Don't compare Pence to a dildo... Some people like dildos and dildos are useful.
 
2017-09-22 03:32:10 AM  

koe1974: Like Mike Pence said, "Why do they sell hot dogs in packs of 8,when you only have one anus?"


 So he can fark himself 8 times?
 
2017-09-22 03:56:59 AM  
"... and who do you think will be more responsive to your healthcare needs?  Your governor?  Or, the mean old federal government who lives far away on a mountain in a scary castle?"  At this point, Uncle Pencey closes the book and turns out the light.  "Time for sleep, tiger", he says...
 
2017-09-22 03:59:04 AM  

Captain Shaky: Secret Troll Alt: Captain Shaky: Secret Troll Alt: Captain Shaky: I really don't know why healthcare in the country is so bitterly politically divisive......

A small percentage of the nation is either too far right or too far left to accept a "medicare-for-some" public option that could be made available to everyone (albeit not without premiums).

The remaining 80% of the country would love to see something like that.
-NOT universal healthcare (which is efficient, but would require nationalizing industries that have many billions of dollars worth of investor money. Including most 401K plans and whatnot. And raising taxes drastically to pay for it while we kick many people off of plans they are happy with.)
-NOT deregulating the healthcare market to see what happens next.

Simple. Non-profit public option. People interested pay for it. More people on the Government plan gives the Government a stronger bargaining hand to influence healthcare pricing through market pressure, and NOT directly through law. Most of us have ideologies that would be satisfied with that. AND it's realistic for the US.

Because rights are not for some. Single payer or fark off. Secret Troll Alt: For the last 70+ years we've been the only "civilized" nation to rely on a for-profit healthcare model and we're learning through exposure to the rest of the world that it doesn't work

, it's unfair, and has no place in the nation we try to paint ourselves as.

The problem, is 110% the republicans. They just want to see who they can hurt, and the fact that a single payer public health care system would cover the poors, and women, and abortions, they can't stand it. And of course a large section of the electorate is the "silent majority" which is a code word for low-information, and willing to hate "OH MY GAWD THE SOSHULIZUMZ!" single payer because Ted Cruz or Mike Pence said it was evil.

Our founding documents outline "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (Not life liberty and property as th ...


Oh, I see what you're doing. The whole "I don't need it so why should I pay" argument. Yeah, that argument works great until you realize that it's just a way to gut the system and make sure it fails. We live in a civilized nation. The price to live in a civilized nation is that you pay taxes for the good of the society. Everybody contributes. We can't have some jagoff rich guys who can afford private insurance holding out and making sure the poors get sunk.

Single payer or fark off.
 
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