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2017-09-21 07:26:04 PM  
"We need to spread awareness this is not Woodstock weed," he said.

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2017-09-21 07:35:23 PM  
states that have legalized marijuana are showing significant increases in driver-impaired crashes and arrests of blacks and Latinos under 21

I'm gonna need a citation for that.


the marijuana industry is "targeting" poorer, minority communities because they are "more vulnerable to addiction."

GFY.
 
2017-09-21 07:45:22 PM  
I have never heard of an anti-pot warrior that could deal in realities.  Every last one of them resports to hyperbole and skewed facts.  Almost like they're suffering from some sort of mental illness....
 
2017-09-21 07:45:46 PM  

fusillade762: states that have legalized marijuana are showing significant increases in driver-impaired crashes and arrests of blacks and Latinos under 21

I'm gonna need a citation for that.


the marijuana industry is "targeting" poorer, minority communities because they are "more vulnerable to addiction."

GFY.


Statistics may show more impaired driving accidents...because more people are driving more miles as well.  You want to know what all the variables are.

The arrest of more black and Latino youth is a separate clause in that sentence and may be a completely independent variable and still be true.  It could be an aberration, where prior years were unusually low for the population size.  Or it could relate to ICE enforcement activities.  The setence does not, of course, even try to connect the accidents with minority arrests.

The racist dog whistle that minorities are "more vulnerable" to addiction is just sickening.

And the idea of targeting low-income communities for legal sales of weed is nutty.  Anyone selling a product will want to move up the income ladder, not down it.  Trying to get higher income people to buy your thing increases the odds of being able to raise the price for "premium" whatever-it-is.  Forgodsake, you want an heiress smoking el cronico, not the homeless guy who pisses on your store's dumpster...then sleeps in it.
 
2017-09-21 09:17:59 PM  

wejash: The racist dog whistle that minorities are "more vulnerable" to addiction is just sickening.


The Venn diagram that contains the set of "non-whites" and the set of "disadvantaged low-income adults" is such a close overlap that (white) folks often confuse them. We like to confuse race and class in America, because social and political arguments have welded them so tightly together that it's a convenient shorthand.

This isn't a race struggle. It's a class struggle, decked with the trappings of a race struggle to keep rich white folks scared of poor non-white folks (and, coincidentally, poor white folks - just ask most of Appalachia.)
 
2017-09-21 09:44:11 PM  
Given the pot shops advertising to "get your bud before Aspen", I have a feeling it's not just the poor buying weed.
 
2017-09-21 09:46:25 PM  
People need to get over the fact that everyone wants their escapes. Even poor people will find alcohol or pot or crack to use as an escape.

Trying to pretend like people shouldn't have escapes because they are too poor to really afford it is inhumane.

"You shouldn't spend your money on drugs and alcohol because you should save it so you can escape poverty." That misses the whole point of compassion and understanding. People who are in poverty are the most in need of drugs and alcohol.

The attempt to keep drugs and alcohol away from poor people has led to some of the worst aspects of our American culture.
 
2017-09-21 09:46:58 PM  
Leading opponent of marijuana legalization: The people who put out pot target the poor and minorities.

Wait until you tell him what the people who want to keep it illegal are doing.
 
2017-09-21 09:47:47 PM  
Poor people develop cheap addictions, like malt liquor and lotto scratchers
 
2017-09-21 09:53:06 PM  
I've met this guy. He's just as "charming" in person.
 
2017-09-21 09:54:27 PM  

fusillade762: the marijuana industry is "targeting" poorer, minority communities because they are "more vulnerable to addiction."

GFY.


I've had my fair share of shiatty jobs and while black and spanish kids certainly partook in weed... pretty much all the young white people had actually addictive vices like pill or coke habits and were generally surprised that my white ass didn't fark with that kinda shiat. I anecdotally feel that whole statement is anachronistic as fark and patronizing.
 
2017-09-21 09:54:29 PM  
Hahaha...

Lies.

The regulatory framework is very specific and definitely NOT targeted toward ANY one buyer, one way or another.

There are more weed shops in Lynwood and Redmond than there are in central Seattle or somewhere like Federal Way.

Why would a cash only business, run and staffed by hippies, put itself in a neighborhood where they'd get knocked off every other day?

And I see far far far more white people over 40 in rec shops than I do young Latinos or African American people.

Granted.  I'm not in a normal, average city in WA and I have no farking clue what the sitch is in CO or wherever else recreational pot is legal for 21 and Over.
 
2017-09-21 09:55:49 PM  
I don't smoke pot. But the people I know who do are wealthy, upright, hardworking, solid members of our society. And they are just making a rational gesture with their lighter and their bong as they watch the nightly news.

And I use red wine.
 
2017-09-21 09:56:20 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: People need to get over the fact that everyone wants their escapes. Even poor people will find alcohol or pot or crack to use as an escape.

Trying to pretend like people shouldn't have escapes because they are too poor to really afford it is inhumane.

"You shouldn't spend your money on drugs and alcohol because you should save it so you can escape poverty." That misses the whole point of compassion and understanding. People who are in poverty are the most in need of drugs and alcohol.

The attempt to keep drugs and alcohol away from poor people has led to some of the worst aspects of our American culture.


And I'm hoping to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2017-09-21 10:05:52 PM  
"Leading-opponent-of-marijuana-legalization"
Isn't that like winning the special Olympics?
 
2017-09-21 10:08:36 PM  
he sounds concerned for the minorities
 
2017-09-21 10:14:57 PM  
An overwhelmingly white group of drug pushers with their hands in the pockets of poor people and minorities?  I'm shocked.  Shocked, I tell you.

I notice in TFA that Mr. Smith, the spokesperson for the Pushers' Association, didn't deny Sabet's charges that minorities were being targeted by weed peddlers.  He deflected them, and he accused Sabet of citing "anecdotal data," whatever that is, but he didn't specifically refute them.

wejash: And the idea of targeting low-income communities for legal sales of weed is nutty.


Oh?

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/01/02/denvers-pot-businesses-mostly-in​-​low-income-minority-neighborhoods/

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/what-works-colorado-de​n​ver-marijuana-pot-industry-legalization-neighborhoods-dispensaries-neg​ative-213906

Fark thread on an article about *illegal* dealers targeting an overwhelmingly Black and Hispanic part of LA:

http://www.fark.com/comments/9596677/LA-Legal-sellers-of-marijuana-ar​e​-swamped-by-black-market-vendors-in-wake-of-legalization-They-dont-liv​e-in-community-they-dont-invest-in-community-they-just-know-that-our-p​eople-are-going-to-purchase-cannabis

fusillade762: I'm gonna need a citation for that.


Since you asked:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/25/colorado-marijuana-traffic-fatal​i​ties/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/06/21/legal-marijuana-pot-car-crashes​/

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/21/auto-crashes-are-on-the-rise-in-marij​u​ana-states.html

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/29/483954157/as-adults-legally-smoke-pot-i​n​-colorado-more-minority-kids-arrested-for-it

I can't find data for arrests of under-21s for weed possession in WA or OR.
 
2017-09-21 10:17:56 PM  

wejash: fusillade762: states that have legalized marijuana are showing significant increases in driver-impaired crashes and arrests of blacks and Latinos under 21

I'm gonna need a citation for that.


the marijuana industry is "targeting" poorer, minority communities because they are "more vulnerable to addiction."

GFY.

Statistics may show more impaired driving accidents...because more people are driving more miles as well.  You want to know what all the variables are.

The arrest of more black and Latino youth is a separate clause in that sentence and may be a completely independent variable and still be true.  It could be an aberration, where prior years were unusually low for the population size.  Or it could relate to ICE enforcement activities.  The setence does not, of course, even try to connect the accidents with minority arrests.

The racist dog whistle that minorities are "more vulnerable" to addiction is just sickening.

And the idea of targeting low-income communities for legal sales of weed is nutty.  Anyone selling a product will want to move up the income ladder, not down it.  Trying to get higher income people to buy your thing increases the odds of being able to raise the price for "premium" whatever-it-is.  Forgodsake, you want an heiress smoking el cronico, not the homeless guy who pisses on your store's dumpster...then sleeps in it.


I suspect that the arrest numbers are a flat-out lie.  I recall an article here some time ago about minority arrests being down in Colorado since legalization, I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

There is a lot of money to be made on low-income communities, so that's not out of the realm of possibility.  You don't make it in large chunks, but there's volume there.

/I'd rather bill rich people in big chunks, I feel less dirty about it.
 
2017-09-21 10:19:11 PM  

tirob: An overwhelmingly white group of drug pushers with their hands in the pockets of poor people and minorities?  I'm shocked.  Shocked, I tell you.

I notice in TFA that Mr. Smith, the spokesperson for the Pushers' Association, didn't deny Sabet's charges that minorities were being targeted by weed peddlers.  He deflected them, and he accused Sabet of citing "anecdotal data," whatever that is, but he didn't specifically refute them.

wejash: And the idea of targeting low-income communities for legal sales of weed is nutty.

Oh?

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/01/02/denvers-pot-businesses-mostly-in-​low-income-minority-neighborhoods/

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/what-works-colorado-den​ver-marijuana-pot-industry-legalization-neighborhoods-dispensaries-neg​ative-213906

Fark thread on an article about *illegal* dealers targeting an overwhelmingly Black and Hispanic part of LA:

http://www.fark.com/comments/9596677/LA-Legal-sellers-of-marijuana-are​-swamped-by-black-market-vendors-in-wake-of-legalization-They-dont-liv​e-in-community-they-dont-invest-in-community-they-just-know-that-our-p​eople-are-going-to-purchase-cannabis

fusillade762: I'm gonna need a citation for that.

Since you asked:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/25/colorado-marijuana-traffic-fatali​ties/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/06/21/legal-marijuana-pot-car-crashes/

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/21/auto-crashes-are-on-the-rise-in-mariju​ana-states.html

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/29/483954157/as-adults-legally-smoke-pot-in​-colorado-more-minority-kids-arrested-for-it

I can't find data for arrests of under-21s for weed possession in WA or OR.


 Hi Tirob, so your real name is Kevin Sabet?
 
2017-09-21 10:19:35 PM  
Because right now poor people are not doing drugs...
 
2017-09-21 10:19:52 PM  
So, it's okay as long as it's marketed only to the white and wealthy?
 
2017-09-21 10:20:37 PM  
The retail credit industry (that includes mortgages) have done more damage to the economic well being of lower and middle class Americans than alcohol, weed, cocaine and opiates combined. They've successfully exploited The Prisoners Dilemma (e.g. If I don't do it, someone else will) to the point that everything worth having requires a lifetime in debt.
 
2017-09-21 10:23:12 PM  

fusillade762: states that have legalized marijuana are showing significant increases in driver-impaired crashes and arrests of blacks and Latinos under 21


One explanation:  In states where recreational use is legal, cops who used to go out of their way to make marijuana arrests now find adults are no longer easy prey for pot busts.  Rather than just stop hunting pot smokers, they refocus their efforts, target underage users who can't legally possess (usually 18 for MMJ, or 21 in "recreational use" states)


I'm gonna need a citation for that.

Here's the actual car crash rate claim "According to the Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI), the number of vehicle collisions reported to insurance companies in Colorado, Oregon and Washington is 3 percent higher than what would have been expected if those states had not made it legal to buy pot. ".   The The HLDI is affiliated with the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, both are funded by insurers and tend to put out controversial (some say biased) studies promoting an agenda favored by the auto insurance industry.

It'll be interesting to see how HLDI/IIHS backpedal if their in-progess  large-scale case-control study in Oregon shows legalization decreases total alcohol intake, reducing fatal auto accidents.  For that we must wait until 2020 for preliminary results.
 
2017-09-21 10:25:18 PM  
I see the problem.  Instead of trying to put out pot, they should try to light it.
 
2017-09-21 10:26:01 PM  

H31N0US: The retail credit industry (that includes mortgages) have done more damage to the economic well being of lower and middle class Americans than alcohol, weed, cocaine and opiates combined. They've successfully exploited The Prisoners Dilemma (e.g. If I don't do it, someone else will) to the point that everything worth having requires a lifetime in debt.


Like what? Tell me please.

/Sitting here debt free, listening to some trashy talent show my wife is playing thru my whole house sound system that costs more than an average house. moved here to us with 50 bucks in my pocket. Tell me again how a lifetime of debt is required.
 
2017-09-21 10:29:54 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: "We need to spread awareness this is not Woodstock weed," he said.

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Of course it's more potent now.  You need better weed to listen to Nickelback than you needed to listen to Jimi Hendrix
 
2017-09-21 10:30:05 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I have never heard of an anti-pot warrior that could deal in realities.  Every last one of them resports to hyperbole and skewed facts.  Almost like they're suffering from some sort of mental illness....


There's a drug for that.

Oh. Wait.
 
2017-09-21 10:34:13 PM  

Klom Dark: Hi Tirob, so your real name is Kevin Sabet?


I'm not he, although I follow his Twitter thread, from which I got TFA, which I submitted.  He's anti-medical weed, I'm for it with adequate safeguards.

Marcus Aurelius: I have never heard of an anti-pot warrior that could deal in realities.


Funny, my experience with the pro-legalization side is that *they're* the ones who run away from facts and science.  See my comment above about the Pushers' Association spokesman deflecting Sabet's charges.

IHadMeAVision:  I anecdotally feel that whole statement is anachronistic as fark and patronizing.

Agree absolutely, also anecdotally.
 
2017-09-21 10:43:56 PM  
In Nebraska, our attorney general is giving assemblies to middle schoolers on the evils of marijuana.  And he tells them to watch their parents for signs they are using the weed.
 
2017-09-21 10:49:01 PM  
FTFA:

Sabet's organization advocates for decriminalization of marijuana use while promoting education about the dangers of the drug. The nonprofit also wants tighter regulation of marijuana such as "no edibles or advertising."
Marijuana users need to know it is addictive psychologically and that the product being sold these days is much more potent, Sabet said.
"We need to spread awareness this is not Woodstock weed," he said.

This is actually a fairly intelligent appeal (except for belaboring the obvious in the last statement.)  The claim that they advocate decriminalization but want education about the dangers and heavy restrictions would appeal to a lot of us who are not big fans of pot but simply have a problem with the consequences of the drug war.

His problem (and that of many others who are continuing to fight legalization where it has happened) is one of credibility.  The pot opponents have lied too long and too hard -- exaggerations, mis-characterisations, etc., ad nauseum.  Locally, I see many government officials putting every regulatory road block they can think up in the way of now-legitimate grow/sales/delivery operations.  They are trying to regulate out of business the industry that received a majority approval vote by state citizens.  Let's try the new way in an honest manner first.  If there are excessive problems as a result, we can go back and fix them with minor modifications.

I am somewhat worried about the possibility of both organized crime and its legal counterpart, multi-national corporations, dominating the industry and corrupting local government officials but that has yet to occur.
 
2017-09-21 10:50:31 PM  
The Highway Loss and Data Institute is Tirobs source for this current thread........
 
2017-09-21 10:51:02 PM  
Now that's just not fair, subby.

There's no reason to leave out Payday Loans, Liquor Stores, State Lotteries, Rent-A-Centers, Fast Food, Bad Credit Car Dealerships,....
 
2017-09-21 10:57:32 PM  
Anyone mentioned number of buildings burning down from negligent smokers? Damage must be in the billions by now.
 
2017-09-21 11:21:29 PM  
States rights, yo. We voted to allow it and we will vote on it again if it becomes a problem. Keep calm and bang a gong.
 
2017-09-21 11:23:21 PM  
The mod who green-lit this needs to take a step back and look at the submission.  Is this the best headline for this article?  Were there no others?  Could you not steal it and submit with a better?  This headline reads like a drunk rant, green-lit by the submitter.  We can do better.
 
2017-09-21 11:27:22 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: People need to get over the fact that everyone wants their escapes. Even poor people will find alcohol or pot or crack to use as an escape.

Trying to pretend like people shouldn't have escapes because they are too poor to really afford it is inhumane.

"You shouldn't spend your money on drugs and alcohol because you should save it so you can escape poverty." That misses the whole point of compassion and understanding. People who are in poverty are the most in need of drugs and alcohol.

The attempt to keep drugs and alcohol away from poor people has led to some of the worst aspects of our American culture.


Wake up America, you will never get rid of drugs until you cure pain.

/ Not the physical kind either
 
2017-09-21 11:29:18 PM  
The outlaw aspect has really always made it more fun, with all due respect to law enforcement.
 
2017-09-21 11:35:22 PM  
I don't feel poor or minority.
 
2017-09-21 11:38:33 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I have never heard of an anti-pot warrior that could deal in realities.  Every last one of them resports to hyperbole and skewed facts.  Almost like they're suffering from some sort of mental illness....


The mental illness to which you refer is due to consumption of too little marijuana.
 
2017-09-22 12:06:24 AM  
fusillade762:

I'm gonna need a citation for that.

Good luck getting them to give you one.  The data for 2014-2016 show declining numbers for impaired accidents in Colorado (average decrease of 3% per year, from 36% of DUI related fatalities to ~30% DUI related fatalities), and we won't see any data for the other states for at least 2 years because of the need for multiple data points.
 
2017-09-22 12:14:51 AM  
Well, he's right you know.
 
2017-09-22 12:16:22 AM  
tirob:

I'm not he, although I follow his Twitter thread, from which I got TFA, which I submitted.

A chronic liar and propagandist gets his link submissions from another liar and propagandist?  Where's my shocked face when I need one.

Oh, wait, found it.

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-09-22 12:18:23 AM  
Drugs have done more to destroy black and hispanic people and their cultures than anything else in human history.
 
2017-09-22 12:21:53 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Drugs have done more to destroy black and hispanic people and their cultures than anything else in human history.


I'm fairly certain that slavery, and the rampant racism of the past 150 years that followed the end of slavery, has done more damage to African American culture than a plant.

Then again, I'm not an imbecile who is ignorant of history.
 
2017-09-22 01:08:30 AM  

BitwiseShift: Anyone mentioned number of buildings burning down from negligent smokers? Damage must be in the billions by now.

Cigarette

smokers?  Yes.  I've been a part of several fire investigations just this year...fires, whose origins were tied to "smoking materials" (ie.  Improper disposal).  We didn't check if they were smoking weed also, though.  Most folks I know that partake are usually very careful regarding their surroundings and possessions.  You should see the front / back yards of some smokers I know.  There is a reason some call it a dirty / nasty habit.

/not all smokers...
//I had to quit two years ago for *reasons*
///doesn't matter to me what folks do on their own (time).
 
2017-09-22 01:16:26 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Drugs have done more to destroy black and hispanic people and their cultures than anything else in human history.


Really? Even the Incan practices?
What a weird way to proclaim how little you know about human history.
 
2017-09-22 01:54:50 AM  
Who the fark says PUT OUT?
 
2017-09-22 01:59:57 AM  
I have nothing to add other than I'm watching Cat Cora cook lamb w/ a pot marinade RIGHT NOW.
/they started the episode in a restaurant I went to for my birthday last year
 
2017-09-22 07:31:15 AM  

Murkanen: Ima4nic8or: Drugs have done more to destroy black and hispanic people and their cultures than anything else in human history.

I'm fairly certain that slavery, and the rampant racism of the past 150 years that followed the end of slavery, has done more damage to African American culture than a plant.

Then again, I'm not an imbecile who is ignorant of history.


Most people with a rational mind are aware of that. Ima4nic8or is not one of those people.

"In some ways marijuana legalization is probably worse than slavery.  In a sense it is just another form of slavery that is keeping the blacks and other minorities from achieving equal levels of success and wealth with whites and orientals.  Instead of working all day just to get fed a bit they are working all day to supply their dope dealer with more bling.  Worse yet it is destroying them physically.  I imagine most slaves were at least probably pretty healthy due to all the exercise."

Yes, he actually compared legal weed with slavery, with legal weed being higher on the 'bad' scale.
 
2017-09-22 07:42:35 AM  

The Captain's Ghost: The pot opponents have lied too long and too hard -- exaggerations, mis-characterisations, etc., ad nauseum.


Yes, starting with Anslinger.  It's a legacy that we need to overcome.  We need to stick to facts and science period.

And if the facts and science wind up showing that legalization at retail is the best social policy, I'll support legalization at retail.

Somaticasual: Now that's just not fair, subby.

There's no reason to leave out Payday Loans, Liquor Stores, State Lotteries, Rent-A-Centers, Fast Food, Bad Credit Car Dealerships,....


Yes on all counts.  I did mention alcohol in the headline, though.

Cyclonic Cooking Action: The Highway Loss and Data Institute is Tirobs source for this current thread........


Not the only one, though, on the subject of car accidents.

If you know of better data, post it.

 

Murkanen: link submissions from another liar and propagandist


Citation please for where I have "lied" or "propagandized."  Otherwise kindly cut out the BS accusations.  And yes, you have my permission--my encouragement, in fact--to find and to cite anything I've ever written on Fark on this subject.  At any time.

pnkgtr: Who the fark says PUT OUT?


I do.  My intent was to include growers, manufacturers (of extracts and products that are laced with extracts), and retailers.

foo monkey: This headline reads like a drunk rant, green-lit by the submitter.


I was cold sober when I wrote it, and I am not a mod.
 
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