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2017-09-21 03:08:05 PM  
How the right lost it's collective minds and souls to follow Trump
 
2017-09-21 03:12:48 PM  
I still seriously question if there's a single one of them who ever had either
 
2017-09-21 03:18:17 PM  
FTA: In the 1980s, after Reagan became the face of the right, conservatives seemed like a united, monolithic force (especially to liberals who never really listened to what we had to say). The truth is, we have long been a jumble-a contentious collection of disparate, often querulous factions: libertarians, evangelicals, traditionalists, chamber of commerce types.

Paused reading there; find "segregation": 0 results. Stopped.

If you're not willing to face the extent that racists have been an ever-increasing part of the GOP ever since Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat bid for the presidency failed, you're still missing a piece of the puzzle.
 
2017-09-21 03:20:36 PM  
the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst

That wasn't liberal overreach that had them in a tizzy.  It was a man presidenting while black.

Not one of these jackholes can be honest with themselves.
 
2017-09-21 03:29:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst

That wasn't liberal overreach that had them in a tizzy.  It was a man presidenting while black.

Not one of these jackholes can be honest with themselves.


"Please show us on the doll where the overreach touched you"
 
2017-09-21 03:41:03 PM  
There is nothing worse than a conservative who tries to pretend that Trump isn't the logical conclusion of their movement. This is what decades of intentionally screwing up governance looks like.
 
2017-09-21 03:44:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst

That wasn't liberal overreach that had them in a tizzy.  It was a man presidenting while black.

Not one of these jackholes can be honest with themselves.


They're not racists.  How can you say they're racists? Whenever they go to gay bars on business trips they always hit on the black guys
 
2017-09-21 03:46:38 PM  
'Loosing their minds' sounds so negative, can we use 'finding their insanity'?
 
2017-09-21 03:46:53 PM  

whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius: the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst

That wasn't liberal overreach that had them in a tizzy.  It was a man presidenting while black.

Not one of these jackholes can be honest with themselves.

They're not racists.  How can you say they're racists? Whenever they go to gay bars on business trips they always hit on the black guys


I was assured by Florida Man that the problem with Obama wasn't that he was black, but that he was a half breed.

This was explained to me by a sober person with a straight face.
 
2017-09-21 03:47:25 PM  

abb3w: FTA: In the 1980s, after Reagan became the face of the right, conservatives seemed like a united, monolithic force (especially to liberals who never really listened to what we had to say). The truth is, we have long been a jumble-a contentious collection of disparate, often querulous factions: libertarians, evangelicals, traditionalists, chamber of commerce types.

Paused reading there; find "segregation": 0 results. Stopped.

If you're not willing to face the extent that racists have been an ever-increasing part of the GOP ever since Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat bid for the presidency failed, you're still missing a piece of the puzzle.


And luminaries like Buckley helped bring the racists into the party.
 
2017-09-21 03:56:18 PM  

abb3w: FTA: In the 1980s, after Reagan became the face of the right, conservatives seemed like a united, monolithic force (especially to liberals who never really listened to what we had to say). The truth is, we have long been a jumble-a contentious collection of disparate, often querulous factions: libertarians, evangelicals, traditionalists, chamber of commerce types.

Paused reading there; find "segregation": 0 results. Stopped.

If you're not willing to face the extent that racists have been an ever-increasing part of the GOP ever since Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat bid for the presidency failed, you're still missing a piece of the puzzle.


Racism (and stigginit) are the only things those groups have in common.
 
2017-09-21 04:03:12 PM  
While I don't agree with everything in the article (or its numerous, ahem, omissions), it was a pretty good read.
 
2017-09-21 04:27:03 PM  
What other minds do they have but a collective (Borg)?
 
2017-09-21 05:19:40 PM  
Look, when someone grabs you by the pussy, you just fall in love and do what they say.
 
2017-09-21 05:20:30 PM  
I really don't care any more. The reality is that we have a senile pussy-grabbing narcissist grifter in the White House threatening pretty much everything you can possibly imagine.

If Blog Man wants to blame that on "liberal overreach" fine, whatever, doesn't change jackshiat.
 
2017-09-21 05:20:46 PM  
Oh yes, the GOP was never tainted, it has just been failed by people who were.......and all that bullshiat.  The GOP got to this place because they trained their voter base to follow the annointed leader.  The GOP thought they had a handle on it.  Enter Trump.  And now watch as the GOP tries to follow the leader (who happens to be a rich guy) while trying to rein him in.  And see how well it has done so far??

The training of their stupid base to follow anybody who feeds them a little racism has now turned into the GOP's hubris falling back on them.  If it wasn't Trump it would be someone just like him.  And now they follow because the Republicans, like any good stupid dog, follows its master.  They can scream about how they want to rein him in, but they never ever will.
 
2017-09-21 05:21:23 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius: the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst

That wasn't liberal overreach that had them in a tizzy.  It was a man presidenting while black.

Not one of these jackholes can be honest with themselves.

They're not racists.  How can you say they're racists? Whenever they go to gay bars on business trips they always hit on the black guys

I was assured by Florida Man that the problem with Obama wasn't that he was black, but that he was a half breed.

This was explained to me by a sober person with a straight face.


You should have introduced him to booze by smashing a forty of JD over his head.
 
2017-09-21 05:25:50 PM  
That's the kind of history that can't really fit into an article. One day, if Western Civilization survives this period of conservative narcissistic nihilism, volumes will be written about the time the GOP and its voters decided that the only things that matter are winning and irritating/hurting the "other". Once they decided it was okay to cheat in order to win they crossed a line.
 
2017-09-21 05:27:39 PM  
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2017-09-21 05:29:04 PM  
Everyone I know who voted Trump is an evangelical or racist.

There's nobody I know who voted for him based on any fact based rational argument.

Even the Gary Johnson voters I know were at least "Legal Weed & No War"
 
2017-09-21 05:29:11 PM  

abb3w: FTA: In the 1980s, after Reagan became the face of the right, conservatives seemed like a united, monolithic force (especially to liberals who never really listened to what we had to say). The truth is, we have long been a jumble-a contentious collection of disparate, often querulous factions: libertarians, evangelicals, traditionalists, chamber of commerce types.

Paused reading there; find "segregation": 0 results. Stopped.

If you're not willing to face the extent that racists have been an ever-increasing part of the GOP ever since Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat bid for the presidency failed, you're still missing a piece of the puzzle.


Being "socially conservative" basically means "fear of people not exactly like me", basically by definition.  Racism, anti-semitism, etc., are therefore par for the course, not to mention things like gay bashing.
 
2017-09-21 05:29:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst


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2017-09-21 05:30:46 PM  
If only someone had pointed all this out to them BEFORE the election! If only they hadn't had to come to this realization all alone, unaided and unsupported! Those poor lonely conservatives!
 
2017-09-21 05:32:12 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst

That wasn't liberal overreach that had them in a tizzy.  It was a man presidenting while black.

Not one of these jackholes can be honest with themselves.


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2017-09-21 05:32:40 PM  

The Silver Mullet: Marcus Aurelius: whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius: the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst

That wasn't liberal overreach that had them in a tizzy.  It was a man presidenting while black.

Not one of these jackholes can be honest with themselves.

They're not racists.  How can you say they're racists? Whenever they go to gay bars on business trips they always hit on the black guys

I was assured by Florida Man that the problem with Obama wasn't that he was black, but that he was a half breed.

This was explained to me by a sober person with a straight face.

You should have introduced him to booze by smashing a forty of JD over his head.


JD comes in 40s? Where can I get one?
 
2017-09-21 05:32:48 PM  

The Silver Mullet: You should have introduced him to booze by smashing a forty of JD over his head.


Hard liquor doesn't come in that size. Malt liquor and shiat beer comes like that. Hard liquor you have airplane shots, morning bottles, ass pockets, fifths and handles.
 
2017-09-21 05:33:23 PM  
I'm a little tired of people saying we deserve Trump. No we farking don't.
 
2017-09-21 05:33:45 PM  
You know, I enjoyed watching leopards eating faces for eight months. I'm over the schadenfreude, it's giving me nothing. I'm beginning to feel compassion for people who are being turned into a permanent under class. I don't care how they voted any more, I don't care that they're ignorant racist yahoos. I just want to see these people get the help they need.
 
2017-09-21 05:34:44 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era to blind them to the crackpots and bigots in their midst

That wasn't liberal overreach that had them in a tizzy.  It was a man presidenting while black.

Not one of these jackholes can be honest with themselves.


Remember, both sides are bad, especially when the Democrats aren't saving Republicans from themselves.
 
2017-09-21 05:35:20 PM  
"Decades of liberal well-earned contempt, including the deliberate and consideredalmost reflexive dismissal of conservatives who were clearly as ignorant racists"
 
2017-09-21 05:36:08 PM  

Mugato: What other minds do they have but a collective (Borg)?


They have too much in common with the Kazon and are therefore safe from assimilation.
 
2017-09-21 05:36:25 PM  
Electing Obama in 08 was a traumatic experience for the conservative movement. A black president was not only chosen, but their worst nightmares came true in that he was respectably popular and successful. There was a lot of blame thrown McCain's way, but most of the base recognized that the party strategists doomed the campaign with caribou barbie.

But the 2012 election was set up as a MUST WIN for them. A referendum on Obama, Obama care and liberals in general. It was supposed to be a humiliating defeat for the left and a moment of triumph for the right. The smug liberals were to be made fools of. But instead, Obama won handily.

The right went insane that day. Obama turned into the Kenyan Muslim America hating isis founder we all know and love. Every criticism, no matter how outlandish, was given credence in order to justify their rage. After that they were willing to elect ANYONE just to get a win.
 
2017-09-21 05:36:29 PM  
Lost their minds and souls?  What are you talking about?!  The left is so jealous.  Why just earlier today Trump met with Turkey's wonderful, benevolent leader, Erdogan, and said that he had become a friend of his and that our relationship with Turkey is the best its ever been.  Liberals just don't like the fact that Trump does things they would never do, like making friends with the best people.  Sad!
 
2017-09-21 05:37:43 PM  

culebra: That's the kind of history that can't really fit into an article. One day, if Western Civilization survives this period of conservative narcissistic nihilism, volumes will be written about the time the GOP and its voters decided that the only things that matter are winning and irritating/hurting the "other". Once they decided it was okay to cheat in order to win they crossed a line.


Yeah, it's a long story, but it didn't start with Trump:

The political realignment of black voters set in motion at the close of Reconstruction gradually accelerated in the early 20th century, pushed by demographic shifts such as the Great Migration and by black discontent with the increasingly conservative racial policies of the Republican Party in the South. A decades-long process ensued in which blacks were effectively pushed outside or left the Republican fold because of its increasingly ambiguous racial policies. By the end of this era, the major parties' policies and a re-emergent activism among younger African Americans positioned blacks for a mass movement in the early and mid-1930s to the northern Democratic Party.

Weakened to the point of irrelevancy, southern Republicans after 1900 curried favor with the political power structure to preserve their grasp on local patronage jobs dispensed by the national party. Therefore, southern white GOP officials embraced Jim Crow. Through political factions such as the "lily white" movement, which excluded blacks, and "black and tan" societies, which extended only token political roles to blacks, the party gradually ceased to serve as an outlet for the politically active cadre of southern African Americans.

Gradually, African-American leaders at the national level began to abandon their loyalty to the GOP. While the party's political strategy of creating a competitive wing in the postwar South was not incompatible with the promotion of black civil rights, by the 1890s party leaders were in agreement that this practical political end could not be achieved without attracting southern whites to the ticket. "Equalitarian ideals," explains a leading historian, "had to be sacrificed to the exigencies of practical politics."168
 
2017-09-21 05:38:31 PM  

STDMan69: The Silver Mullet: You should have introduced him to booze by smashing a forty of JD over his head.

Hard liquor doesn't come in that size. Malt liquor and shiat beer comes like that. Hard liquor you have airplane shots, morning bottles, ass pockets, fifths and handles.


187.5 ml Piccolo or Split: Typically used for a single serving of Champagne.
375 ml Demi or Half: Holds one-half of the standard 750 ml size.
750 ml Standard: Common bottle size for most distributed wine.
1.5 L Magnum: Equivalent to two standard 750 ml bottles.
3.0 L Double Magnum: Equivalent to two Magnums or four standard 750 ml bottles.
4.5 L Jeroboam (still wine): Equivalent to six standard 750 ml bottles.
6.0 L Imperial: Equivalent to eight standard 750 ml bottles or two Double Magnums.
9.0 L Salmanazar: Equivalent to twelve standard 750 ml bottles or a full case of wine!
12.0 L Balthazar: Equivalent to sixteen standard 750 ml bottles or two Imperials.
15.0 L Nebuchadnezzar: Equivalent to twenty standard 750 ml bottles.
 
2017-09-21 05:39:10 PM  
Also JD is horrible, most of us aren't 16 years old anymore.
 
2017-09-21 05:39:26 PM  
"...as the right allowed liberal overreach in the Obama era..."

I stopped reading right there. This guy is talking about how the party lost its minds and souls, yet he's so partisan, so unrepentant, that he can't even put down the toxic us-vs-them mentality that has turned the GOP into the party of cutting their own arms off just so they can stiggit to the liberals.

I'm sure the article is probably fine and enlightening, but this is just more proof of how tone-deaf and un-self-aware the right is.
 
2017-09-21 05:39:29 PM  

vrax: Lost their minds and souls?  What are you talking about?!  The left is so jealous.  Why just earlier today Trump met with Turkey's wonderful, benevolent leader, Erdogan, and said that he had become a friend of his and that our relationship with Turkey is the best its ever been.  Liberals just don't like the fact that Trump does things they would never do, like making friends with the best people.  Sad!


Alternative universe dweller ^^
 
2017-09-21 05:39:32 PM  
I think it's time for them all to tell Russia, "Thank you." for helping put this lump of fail in the Oval Office.
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2017-09-21 05:39:49 PM  
Yeah, f*ck Charlie Sykes and his bullsh*t whitewashing of the vast majority of the sins of the American right in the guise of accepting responsibility for a tiny subset of them.

Just because a right-wing nut is now narrowly criticizing the right wing shouldn't lead you to dismiss the decades of evidence of his terrible judgement and stupid ideas. Listen to the people who were right all along and ignore this self-promoting twat. Let him fade into well-deserved obscurity.
 
2017-09-21 05:40:07 PM  
"Somehow a movement based on real ideas-such as economic freedom and limited government-had devolved into a tribe that valued neither principle nor truth;"

Maybe "economic freedom" and "small government" had always just been window-dressing arranged around a centerpiece comprised of money-lust, whiteness and spite?
 
2017-09-21 05:41:02 PM  
They had souls and minds?
 
2017-09-21 05:41:33 PM  

Lochsteppe: STDMan69: The Silver Mullet: You should have introduced him to booze by smashing a forty of JD over his head.

Hard liquor doesn't come in that size. Malt liquor and shiat beer comes like that. Hard liquor you have airplane shots, morning bottles, ass pockets, fifths and handles.

187.5 ml Piccolo or Split: Typically used for a single serving of Champagne.
375 ml Demi or Half: Holds one-half of the standard 750 ml size.
750 ml Standard: Common bottle size for most distributed wine.
1.5 L Magnum: Equivalent to two standard 750 ml bottles.
3.0 L Double Magnum: Equivalent to two Magnums or four standard 750 ml bottles.
4.5 L Jeroboam (still wine): Equivalent to six standard 750 ml bottles.
6.0 L Imperial: Equivalent to eight standard 750 ml bottles or two Double Magnums.
9.0 L Salmanazar: Equivalent to twelve standard 750 ml bottles or a full case of wine!
12.0 L Balthazar: Equivalent to sixteen standard 750 ml bottles or two Imperials.
15.0 L Nebuchadnezzar: Equivalent to twenty standard 750 ml bottles.


Thats vino. Hard is 50 200 375 750 and 1750
 
2017-09-21 05:42:02 PM  
 
2017-09-21 05:44:02 PM  
Because they are
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2017-09-21 05:45:12 PM  

70Ford: I think it's time for them all to tell Russia, "Thank you." for helping put this lump of fail in the Oval Office.
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2017-09-21 05:45:38 PM  
I know people who are Conservative that I thought were pretty mainstream ones. Early in the campaign they were on board with Scott Walker or one of the other generic "establishment" candidates. They didn't think Trump had a chance, either.

What they had in common was they only things they wanted to talk about were Hillary and Obama. No matter what I said about Trump's policies they were incapable of providing an answer to any of it that didn't contain a "but HILLARY" or "but Obama" in the answer. It soon became clear that they were behind Trump only because of their hatred for Hillary.

Now that's he's President, they are fully in the tank for him. Anything he does is still Obama's fault or "still better than Hillary'. The only things they really ever want to talk about is ANTIFA, socialists, Deep State or whatever other conspiracy theory the right wing webasphere is pushing that particular week.

Republicans own everything at a federal and state level and yet they are more unhinged now than they were when Obama was President. They clearly have severe cognitive mental issues but when you point this out, they blame it on the eight years those poor dears had to spend being oppressed by Obama and the Liberals.

This country would be a much better place if all Republicans were raptured off to hebbin, or wherever it is they think they go. They're bascially useless eaters at this point. They occupy a totally different reality than everyone else and they need to go there and live and let us fix everything they keep breaking.
 
2017-09-21 05:46:55 PM  

Raspil: vrax: Lost their minds and souls?  What are you talking about?!  The left is so jealous.  Why just earlier today Trump met with Turkey's wonderful, benevolent leader, Erdogan, and said that he had become a friend of his and that our relationship with Turkey is the best its ever been.  Liberals just don't like the fact that Trump does things they would never do, like making friends with the best people.  Sad!

Alternative universe dweller ^^


I sure wish!  I'm still waiting for that farkin' crack in space/time to open up.
 
2017-09-21 05:48:02 PM  
Cause that uppity blah president made them feel funny in their pants?
 
2017-09-21 05:50:31 PM  
So incredibly easy to be a Koch brother right-wing libertarian when you're born filthy rich.

You have so much family money that guarantees the day you're born, you know that your great-great-great grandchildren won't have to work a single day in their entire lives.
 
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