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(CNBC)   Psychiatric exam ordered for Pharma Bro. Mental illness? Clever ploy to get him out of jail? Or is he just an a-hole?   ( cnbc.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, psychiatric exam motion, Shkreli, bizarre cash bounty, psychiatric examination, Matsumoto release restrictions, New York, disgraced pharmaceutical executive, fraud charges  
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2017-09-20 06:39:33 PM  
Yes.
 
2017-09-20 07:01:51 PM  
While it doesn't excuse his assholery, it's pretty clear that boy ain't right.
 
2017-09-20 07:31:42 PM  
I don't think general assholery is covered in the DSM-5
 
433 [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2017-09-20 08:04:08 PM  
He may very well pick up a diagnosis, but I think he'll still be found competent.  2c.
 
2017-09-20 08:13:22 PM  
"Your honor, my client couldn't help but act the way he did because he's a psychopath"
 
2017-09-20 08:14:53 PM  
In opening arguments at Shkreli's trial on fraud charges this past summer, which Matsumoto presided over, his own lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, told jurors, "Maybe he's just nuts, but that doesn't make him guilty."
"Will you find him strange? Yes. Will you find him weird? Yes!" Brafman also said at the time about his client, who has a history of erratic behavior.


And if any of that mattered to the charges brought against him, sure. But he committed several white-collar financial crimes - he didn't stab a bookie or run naked through a kindergarten - so his psychiatric status means exactly dick regarding his guilt.

I'm personally waiting for this asshole to flee when released for the exam, because he figures his money will get him out of the country before anyone can do anything about it.
 
2017-09-20 08:18:32 PM  
Assholes are usually diagnosed as BPD.
 
2017-09-20 08:19:33 PM  
Porque no los tres?
 
2017-09-20 08:53:32 PM  
"By reason of insanity" gets people off criminal charges far less often than the media would have you believe.
 
2017-09-20 09:02:02 PM  

czetie: "By reason of insanity" gets people off criminal charges far less often than the media would have you believe.


That's crazy.
 
2017-09-20 09:02:19 PM  
Sorry, your insurance won't cover standard electroconvulsive therapy so we just stripped the wires from this Ronco Set-It-And-Forget-It Rotisserie, jammed the plug in the outlet and will tape it to your nutsack until all the weekend NFL games are over.
 
2017-09-20 10:09:27 PM  
The guy is clearly a psychopath.

 If that's a viable legal defense we're all in trouble.
 
2017-09-20 11:03:20 PM  
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2017-09-20 11:03:35 PM  
"The ex-employee, Caroline Stewart, testified that she had believed Shkreli was mentally unstable because "in my opinion it's crazy to lie so much, particularly about things that are easily uncovered." "

And yet, we somehow elected Donald Trump.
 
2017-09-20 11:03:57 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: While it doesn't excuse his assholery, it's pretty clear that boy ain't right.


He ain't right. But psychopaths have a clear understanding of right and wrong, they just don't care.
 
2017-09-20 11:04:57 PM  

sithon: Assholes are usually diagnosed as BPD.


So are mother-in-laws. Well mine at least. That biatch is top to bottom a narcissistic coont.
 
2017-09-20 11:05:13 PM  
Crazy but competent.  Can assist with own defense.  Knows right from wrong, etc.  Get psych exam, add appropriate medications........continue with jail.
 
2017-09-20 11:05:14 PM  

lindseyp: The guy is clearly a psychopath.

 If that's a viable legal defense we're all in trouble.


Its not, so don't worry.

As long as he comprehended the difference between right and wrong and/or was able to appreciate the nature and quality of his acts, he can be nuttier than a cheese log and still do all his time.

And I believe his own statements are more than enough to sink him there.
 
2017-09-20 11:07:30 PM  

lindseyp: The guy is clearly a psychopath.

 If that's a viable legal defense we're all in trouble.


Not to worry in this case - his victims were even richer people, so they'll make sure it isn't. If he does get declared insane, They™ will ensure that his "treatment" facility is the one experimenting in electroshock therapy.
 
2017-09-20 11:09:51 PM  
Tell him he can go free as long as he's medicated.

Then jack up the price of his meds by 750%.
 
2017-09-20 11:10:24 PM  
If it were me, I wouldn't be so fast to assume that an inpatient mental health facility is any better than prison.
 
2017-09-20 11:12:11 PM  
Mentally ill and insane are totally different, you can be mentally ill, ie. your brain just don't work right but you know right from wrong versus insane which is not knowing right from wrong.  Note being mentally ill and not caring about right from wrong isn't enough, you actually have to be shown to be not able to distinguish right from wrong - for example you are totally convinced only by sacrificing a couple of people can the world be saved and so you are thinking you are doing right when you are doing wrong.

Really hard to prove and you usually end up with a long sentence than you would have had, let him do it and a how bunch of shrinks say "he will repeat his offence" for the next 60 years.
 
2017-09-20 11:12:36 PM  
I for one welcome our big pharm overlords as will need them when it really starts to hurt.
 
2017-09-20 11:14:05 PM  
img.fark.net

CCTV footage of Pharma Bro. on his way to prison.
 
2017-09-20 11:18:24 PM  

FormlessOne: I'm personally waiting for this asshole to flee when released for the exam, because he figures his money will get him out of the country before anyone can do anything about it.


Okay, a few things.

First, I am pretty sure that this exam will be taking place in prison.  If it's not, and it's involving this kid and his lawyers pinky-swearing to be home by nightfall, then you seem to be watching an episode of CSI and you need to cut that out.

Second, if the above scenario does play out, someone's hanging on a ten million bond.  Hell, Andrew Luster only had a million on him and even he was lucky to be alive after they dragged his ass out of Mexico.  Martin tries that, he'll be coming back in pieces.

Third, the Family Guy picture was irrelevant to this discussion.  Okay, that wasn't you per se.  It was the other guy.  Yeah.  You guy a few posts above me.  Stop it.  Bad.

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-20 11:20:20 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't think general assholery is covered in the DSM-5


I checked the dungeon masters guide and couldn't find it.
 
TWX
2017-09-20 11:21:07 PM  

433: He may very well pick up a diagnosis, but I think he'll still be found competent.  2c.


Yep, that's what happens when you piss-off the doc examining you. They give you the worst of both worlds.

/or we can only hope
 
2017-09-20 11:22:04 PM  

Phony_Soldier: ecmoRandomNumbers: I don't think general assholery is covered in the DSM-5

I checked the dungeon masters guide and couldn't find it.


I think it was on a percentile table in one of the old Gary Gygax written books.
 
2017-09-20 11:24:23 PM  
Another victim of an illness that's gripping our country by the throat right now, depriving us of our best and brightest: Affluenza.
 
2017-09-20 11:27:37 PM  

FormlessOne: In opening arguments at Shkreli's trial on fraud charges this past summer, which Matsumoto presided over, his own lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, told jurors, "Maybe he's just nuts, but that doesn't make him guilty."
"Will you find him strange? Yes. Will you find him weird? Yes!" Brafman also said at the time about his client, who has a history of erratic behavior.

And if any of that mattered to the charges brought against him, sure. But he committed several white-collar financial crimes - he didn't stab a bookie or run naked through a kindergarten - so his psychiatric status means exactly dick regarding his guilt.

I'm personally waiting for this asshole to flee when released for the exam, because he figures his money will get him out of the country before anyone can do anything about it.


Stab a bookie?  Jeesh if he'd gone that far, no one would have to worry about a trial.  You don't mess with those guys, they're small fish but they feed some damn big ones.  Some unamused big ones.
 
2017-09-20 11:28:02 PM  

czetie: "By reason of insanity" gets people off criminal charges far less often than the media would have you believe.


I like the conspiratorial thing you have going, but I've not seen much about that in the non fiction media. It's not people who write for entertainment's fault that some people need to take a kindergarten level class in not taking fiction literally.
 
2017-09-20 11:29:23 PM  

433: He may very well pick up a diagnosis, but I think he'll still be found competent.  2c.


He's way beyond competent at being an ahole.
 
2017-09-20 11:30:37 PM  

FormlessOne: In opening arguments at Shkreli's trial on fraud charges this past summer, which Matsumoto presided over, his own lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, told jurors, "Maybe he's just nuts, but that doesn't make him guilty."
"Will you find him strange? Yes. Will you find him weird? Yes!" Brafman also said at the time about his client, who has a history of erratic behavior.

And if any of that mattered to the charges brought against him, sure. But he committed several white-collar financial crimes - he didn't stab a bookie or run naked through a kindergarten - so his psychiatric status means exactly dick regarding his guilt.

I'm personally waiting for this asshole to flee when released for the exam, because he figures his money will get him out of the country before anyone can do anything about it.


www.ranthollywood.com
 
2017-09-20 11:31:08 PM  
He seems alright,  it's just everyone hates a success.
 
2017-09-20 11:31:46 PM  
I have to return some videotapes.
 
2017-09-20 11:34:18 PM  

lycanth: 433: He may very well pick up a diagnosis, but I think he'll still be found competent.  2c.

He's way beyond competent at being an ahole.


I really want to see the verbal gymnastics employed to attempt to convince people that a man with a BBA who interned for a Wall Street hedge fund at 17 is mentally incompetent.
 
2017-09-20 11:35:14 PM  
I'm sorry, sir. The tests came back positive. You're an asshole.
 
2017-09-20 11:36:27 PM  
This is dumb. He's not mental. He's Albanian. They are all like that.
 
2017-09-20 11:36:44 PM  
I assume the goal here is to show mental health issues to convince the judge to give him a lower sentence and to send him to a medical facility rather than a harsher prison.

It's all his lawyer has.  After the verdict, the lawyer publicly tried to pull the guy in and shut him up.  Shkreli told him to fark off and went off on the net until the judge revoked bail.

The lawyer is hoping to get the impulse control turned into an asset rather than an obvious liability.

Long odds against the judge buying in at this point or accepting it as some mitigating factor.  But what the hell.  Kid is an ass and his lawyer hates him by now...and Shkreli will hate dealing with a shrink.  Score!
 
2017-09-20 11:42:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: lindseyp: The guy is clearly a psychopath.

 If that's a viable legal defense we're all in trouble.

Its not, so don't worry.

As long as he comprehended the difference between right and wrong and/or was able to appreciate the nature and quality of his acts, he can be nuttier than a cheese log and still do all his time.

And I believe his own statements are more than enough to sink him there.


Just want to add that psychopaths usually know society's understanding of right and wrong. They lack the ability to care. They act methodically to advance their agendas, taking care to not get caught. This guy got caught and under scrutiny, is flailing like a simile I'm to tired to explain.
 
2017-09-20 11:44:36 PM  
C)
 
2017-09-20 11:44:43 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: He seems alright,  it's just everyone hates a success.


Username checks out.
 
2017-09-20 11:47:15 PM  
A-hole.
 
2017-09-20 11:48:45 PM  
A close examination will find he's a remarkable a-hole
 
2017-09-20 11:51:44 PM  

UberNeuman: [img.fark.net image 640x480]

CCTV footage of Pharma Bro. on his way to prison.


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Agreed
 
2017-09-20 11:52:18 PM  
it seems pretty obvious that he's a sociopath, just sayin'.
 
2017-09-20 11:53:21 PM  
I have...a plan.


img.fark.net

And my wife just volunteered herself for Animated GIF duty on this one.  Soon.
 
2017-09-20 11:55:24 PM  
He patented the asshole gene, so you can't test for it without paying.

Douchebag gene still public domain, for the moment.
 
2017-09-20 11:56:47 PM  
We go to great lengths to make sure that people who are actually crazy get their punishment.
upload.wikimedia.org
We owe pharmabro the same courtesy.
 
2017-09-21 12:10:33 AM  

eredan: it seems pretty obvious that he's a sociopath, just sayin'.


Doesn't mean he shouldn't be removed from society for as long as possible. Indeed, a regular criminal might be reformed by time away coupled with actual career training so they can support themselves after release. Do we actually have any way to reform a sociopath?
 
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