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(CBS Sports)   Two college football players have died due to injuries sustained during games Saturday. That raises the 2017 college football death toll to 5   ( cbssports.com) divider line
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2017-09-20 06:21:53 PM  
shiat happens. Lotta kids playing football. Football's a little risky. Roll enough dice some come up 1.
 
2017-09-20 07:10:24 PM  

doglover: shiat happens. Lotta kids playing football. Football's a little risky. Roll enough dice some come up 1.


Rolling a 1 is a concussion or a broken leg, not death.
 
2017-09-20 07:19:50 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: doglover: shiat happens. Lotta kids playing football. Football's a little risky. Roll enough dice some come up 1.

Rolling a 1 is a concussion or a broken leg, not death.


Depends on the saving throw.
 
2017-09-20 07:48:10 PM  
It's as close to a blood sport as "polite society" will allow.  Well, along with MMA, Boxing, and reality TV.
 
2017-09-20 08:04:51 PM  
Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now. You're starting to see baseball players described in football terms ("he looks like a linebacker"). That's not an accident. As parents become more aware of deaths and CTE syndrome, the fewer kids you're going to see playing football. That will impact quality of play and casual viewership will go down. (FF players and bettors won't care.)

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.
 
2017-09-20 08:22:59 PM  

SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now. You're starting to see baseball players described in football terms ("he looks like a linebacker"). That's not an accident. As parents become more aware of deaths and CTE syndrome, the fewer kids you're going to see playing football. That will impact quality of play and casual viewership will go down. (FF players and bettors won't care.)

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.


I often have people say "your boys look like good football players!"

I tell them "Only if they're a kicker".

A mind is a terrible thing to puree inside your skull at a young age.
 
2017-09-20 08:41:58 PM  
FOOBAWAH!
 
2017-09-20 08:43:00 PM  
Should get your boys into a real sport, like Jousting.
 
2017-09-20 09:54:55 PM  
What's the over/under on that stat?

Gamble, gamble, bet, bet, drop some cash on it.
 
2017-09-20 10:05:42 PM  

croesius: "Only if they're a kicker".


Why don't you just save some time and shove them into lockers yourself?
 
2017-09-20 10:07:28 PM  

SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now. You're starting to see baseball players described in football terms ("he looks like a linebacker"). That's not an accident. As parents become more aware of deaths and CTE syndrome, the fewer kids you're going to see playing football. That will impact quality of play and casual viewership will go down. (FF players and bettors won't care.)

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.


Soccer fan-like typing detected.
It's called soccer. They play soccer with the soccer ball on the soccer field.
/Soccer
//Soccer
///It's still called soccer.
 
2017-09-20 10:08:08 PM  

stoli n coke: croesius: "Only if they're a kicker".

Why don't you just save some time and shove them into lockers yourself?


Hah, joke's on you. There's no lockers in our homeschool basement.
 
2017-09-20 10:10:38 PM  
maybe there should be a max on how jacked these guys get....250lb max bench press, ect. Like a restrictor plate for football players
 
2017-09-20 10:12:43 PM  

croesius: stoli n coke: croesius: "Only if they're a kicker".

Why don't you just save some time and shove them into lockers yourself?

Hah, joke's on you. There's no lockers in our homeschool basement.


That's gonna be a very awkward prom.
 
2017-09-20 10:13:36 PM  

TommyDeuce: It's as close to a blood sport as "polite society" will allow.  Well, along with MMA, Boxing, and reality TV.


Nascar too.

stoli n coke: Why don't you just save some time and shove them into lockers yourself?


Nobody puts Sebastian Janikowski in a corner! Or a locker. He simply won't fit, the guy is like 260.
 
2017-09-20 10:14:20 PM  
This is the third article I've seen about the kid from Midwestern State and none of them has said which one
 
2017-09-20 10:14:24 PM  

SurfaceTension: What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.


Yes. Nixon's plan for drugs and gangs worked wonders.
 
2017-09-20 10:16:57 PM  

Lifeless: This is the third article I've seen about the kid from Midwestern State and none of them has said which one


His name was Robert Paulson.
 
2017-09-20 10:17:13 PM  

redly1: maybe there should be a max on how jacked these guys get....250lb max bench press, ect. Like a restrictor plate for football players


I'm an out of shape mid 30's IT guy.... and my max bench is over 250. I think you are going to have to set that bar quite a bit higher unless you want to see floppy schlubs like me attempt and fail to run... and no one ever want's to see that.
 
2017-09-20 10:20:53 PM  

stoli n coke: croesius: stoli n coke: croesius: "Only if they're a kicker".

Why don't you just save some time and shove them into lockers yourself?

Hah, joke's on you. There's no lockers in our homeschool basement.

That's gonna be a very awkward prom.


Dancing not allowed. We shall have quiet, comtemplative study time.

But with fancy hats.
 
2017-09-20 10:53:42 PM  

Zombies ate my neighbors: redly1: maybe there should be a max on how jacked these guys get....250lb max bench press, ect. Like a restrictor plate for football players

I'm an out of shape mid 30's IT guy.... and my max bench is over 250. I think you are going to have to set that bar quite a bit higher unless you want to see floppy schlubs like me attempt and fail to run... and no one ever want's to see that.


It's not a strong movement for everyone. It's also not necessarily a predictor of one's ability to play football at a high level. What you'd really need to restrict is combinations of body mass and speed. Guys like Larry Allen, who played guard at well over 300 but once came astonishingly close to catching a cornerback on an interception return for TD, would have to find something else to do.
 
2017-09-20 10:58:46 PM  

doglover: Should get your boys into a real sport, like bullfighting, motor racing, or mountaineering.


FTFY

/ All the rest are merely games
 
2017-09-20 11:19:32 PM  

Zombies ate my neighbors: redly1: maybe there should be a max on how jacked these guys get....250lb max bench press, ect. Like a restrictor plate for football players

I'm an out of shape mid 30's IT guy.... and my max bench is over 250. I think you are going to have to set that bar quite a bit higher unless you want to see floppy schlubs like me attempt and fail to run... and no one ever want's to see that.


Ever heard of old man strength
 
2017-09-20 11:43:42 PM  
Most of them died because of overexertion in practice. They need to step up medical clearances and start training smarter, not harder. Get rid of the macho shiat.
 
2017-09-21 12:01:35 AM  

morg: Most of them died because of overexertion in practice. They need to step up medical clearances and start training smarter, not harder. Get rid of the macho shiat.


this.  Amazed that trainers and coaches are unable to spot a players symptoms and let them get so hot that their organs shut down or their brain boils.

Better training on technique would clear out a lot of the rest.  They should outlaw all spearing instead of just outlawing just hitting with their head.  Launching a shoulder is just too dangerous for its questionable gains.
 
2017-09-21 12:04:06 AM  

morg: Most of them died because of overexertion in practice. They need to step up medical clearances and start training smarter, not harder. Get rid of the macho shiat.


This.

In addition, you guys act like football is the only sport where people die:
http://nypost.com/2017/08/28/13-year-old-boy-dies-after-asking-to-sit​-​out-soccer-game/
https://patch.com/georgia/lawrenceville-ga/parkview-soccer-player-die​s​-during-practice

There is risk in sport. Period.
 
2017-09-21 12:16:05 AM  

phimuskapsi: morg: Most of them died because of overexertion in practice. They need to step up medical clearances and start training smarter, not harder. Get rid of the macho shiat.

This.

In addition, you guys act like football is the only sport where people die:
http://nypost.com/2017/08/28/13-year-old-boy-dies-after-asking-to-sit-​out-soccer-game/
https://patch.com/georgia/lawrenceville-ga/parkview-soccer-player-dies​-during-practice

There is risk in sport. Period.


...and you'll find that football is, by far, the worst of the lot. Plus, you don't see a lot of soccer players killing themselves because they spent years traumatizing their brains to the point of suicide as escape.
 
2017-09-21 12:51:22 AM  

FormlessOne: phimuskapsi: morg: Most of them died because of overexertion in practice. They need to step up medical clearances and start training smarter, not harder. Get rid of the macho shiat.

This.

In addition, you guys act like football is the only sport where people die:
http://nypost.com/2017/08/28/13-year-old-boy-dies-after-asking-to-sit-​out-soccer-game/
https://patch.com/georgia/lawrenceville-ga/parkview-soccer-player-dies​-during-practice

There is risk in sport. Period.

...and you'll find that football is, by far, the worst of the lot. Plus, you don't see a lot of soccer players killing themselves because they spent years traumatizing their brains to the point of suicide as escape.


They've got the soccer fans for that!
 
2017-09-21 01:36:36 AM  

Saiga410: morg: Most of them died because of overexertion in practice. They need to step up medical clearances and start training smarter, not harder. Get rid of the macho shiat.

this.  Amazed that trainers and coaches are unable to spot a players symptoms and let them get so hot that their organs shut down or their brain boils.

Better training on technique would clear out a lot of the rest.  They should outlaw all spearing instead of just outlawing just hitting with their head.  Launching a shoulder is just too dangerous for its questionable gains.


True story, our junior high football coach (7th and 8th grade) wouldn't let anyone have a single sip of water or any liquid through an entire practice that typically lasted about 2-3 hours. In full pads, in Louisiana. Said it toughened us up. This was around 1998.

It took a classmate of mine being taken away in an ambulance to get us water. But it was only for a few weeks, then back to nothing. How that coach wasn't sued or beaten is beyond me. I crossed him once as an adult and told him he was a farking lunatic sadist. Hope he dies thirsty.
 
2017-09-21 03:40:56 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Saiga410: morg: Most of them died because of overexertion in practice. They need to step up medical clearances and start training smarter, not harder. Get rid of the macho shiat.

this.  Amazed that trainers and coaches are unable to spot a players symptoms and let them get so hot that their organs shut down or their brain boils.

Better training on technique would clear out a lot of the rest.  They should outlaw all spearing instead of just outlawing just hitting with their head.  Launching a shoulder is just too dangerous for its questionable gains.

True story, our junior high football coach (7th and 8th grade) wouldn't let anyone have a single sip of water or any liquid through an entire practice that typically lasted about 2-3 hours. In full pads, in Louisiana. Said it toughened us up. This was around 1998.

It took a classmate of mine being taken away in an ambulance to get us water. But it was only for a few weeks, then back to nothing. How that coach wasn't sued or beaten is beyond me. I crossed him once as an adult and told him he was a farking lunatic sadist. Hope he dies thirsty.


I had a coach like that.  He was a soccer coach.  But he played football and so we practiced like a football team.
Long story short, we lost a bunch of games because of instead of being smart he'd leave people in too long and once we were losing he'd sub them out.
 
2017-09-21 07:31:36 AM  

stoli n coke: SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now. You're starting to see baseball players described in football terms ("he looks like a linebacker"). That's not an accident. As parents become more aware of deaths and CTE syndrome, the fewer kids you're going to see playing football. That will impact quality of play and casual viewership will go down. (FF players and bettors won't care.)

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.

Soccer fan-like typing detected.
It's called soccer. They play soccer with the soccer ball on the soccer field.
/Soccer
//Soccer
///It's still called soccer.


No, it's called football, just like the 7 other types of football I can mention.

Association Football
Rugby Football (of the Union style)
Rugby Football (of the League style)
American Football
Gaelic Football
Australian Rules Football
American Football
Canadian Football
 
2017-09-21 07:38:55 AM  
The game needs mud.

For all the warfare metaphors that get tossed around, the game looks less and less like the players go through anything other than strenuous exercise - at least from the fan's perspective. Everything's as manicured at the end of 60 minutes as it was when the players came out of the tunnel.

And anything that slows the players down will also reduce the violence of the collisions.

John Facenda game narration optional.
 
2017-09-21 07:42:12 AM  
Obviously they didn't pray enough beforehand.  God is kind of a dick.
 
2017-09-21 08:01:02 AM  

Gulper Eel: The game needs mud.

For all the warfare metaphors that get tossed around, the game looks less and less like the players go through anything other than strenuous exercise - at least from the fan's perspective. Everything's as manicured at the end of 60 minutes as it was when the players came out of the tunnel.

And anything that slows the players down will also reduce the violence of the collisions.

John Facenda game narration optional.


And trenches!
 
2017-09-21 08:30:57 AM  
How many have died binge drinking so far?
 
2017-09-21 08:58:28 AM  

SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now.

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.


img.fark.net
Is that a surprise? There are fewer ten year-olds than there were 10 years ago.

Football is still the most widely-played sport, for combined genders. Which means it's at least twice as popular as the next-most-popular male sport, because 99% of all players are male.
 
2017-09-21 09:00:21 AM  

Zombies ate my neighbors: I'm an out of shape mid 30's IT guy.... and my max bench is over 250.


It's more impressive benching 250-lbs when it's twice your body weight, not 80% of it.
 
2017-09-21 09:01:33 AM  

Saiga410: They should outlaw all spearing instead of just outlawing just hitting with their head.


Spearing is universally illegal.

It's just rarely called.
 
2017-09-21 09:15:05 AM  

Norfolking Chance: stoli n coke: SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now. You're starting to see baseball players described in football terms ("he looks like a linebacker"). That's not an accident. As parents become more aware of deaths and CTE syndrome, the fewer kids you're going to see playing football. That will impact quality of play and casual viewership will go down. (FF players and bettors won't care.)

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.

Soccer fan-like typing detected.
It's called soccer. They play soccer with the soccer ball on the soccer field.
/Soccer
//Soccer
///It's still called soccer.

No, it's called football, just like the 7 other types of football I can mention.

Association Football
Rugby Football (of the Union style)
Rugby Football (of the League style)
American Football
Gaelic Football
Australian Rules Football
American Football
Canadian Football


Knock yourself out explaining to people which one of those seven sports you're talking about when you say "football".  We'll just say "soccer" and get to the point.
 
2017-09-21 09:50:38 AM  

FLMountainMan: How many have died binge drinking so far?


On the field?
 
2017-09-21 10:14:57 AM  

TommyDeuce: It's as close to a blood sport as "polite society" will allow.  Well, along with MMA, Boxing, and reality TV.


Well, this is want fans want.  Any effort to improve safety is met with shouts of "pussification."  Some people aren't going to be satisfied until a high profile player is outright killed on field.
 
2017-09-21 10:17:43 AM  

stoli n coke: SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now. You're starting to see baseball players described in football terms ("he looks like a linebacker"). That's not an accident. As parents become more aware of deaths and CTE syndrome, the fewer kids you're going to see playing football. That will impact quality of play and casual viewership will go down. (FF players and bettors won't care.)

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.

Soccer fan-like typing detected.
It's called soccer. They play soccer with the soccer ball on the soccer field.
/Soccer
//Soccer
///It's still called soccer.


img.fark.net
 
2017-09-21 11:07:04 AM  

Norfolking Chance: stoli n coke: SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now. You're starting to see baseball players described in football terms ("he looks like a linebacker"). That's not an accident. As parents become more aware of deaths and CTE syndrome, the fewer kids you're going to see playing football. That will impact quality of play and casual viewership will go down. (FF players and bettors won't care.)

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.

Soccer fan-like typing detected.
It's called soccer. They play soccer with the soccer ball on the soccer field.
/Soccer
//Soccer
///It's still called soccer.

No, it's called football, just like the 7 other types of football I can mention.

Association Football
Rugby Football (of the Union style)
Rugby Football (of the League style)
American Football
Gaelic Football
Australian Rules Football
American Football
Canadian Football


You said American Football twice.
 
2017-09-21 11:36:22 AM  

Norfolking Chance: stoli n coke: SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now. You're starting to see baseball players described in football terms ("he looks like a linebacker"). That's not an accident. As parents become more aware of deaths and CTE syndrome, the fewer kids you're going to see playing football. That will impact quality of play and casual viewership will go down. (FF players and bettors won't care.)

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.

Soccer fan-like typing detected.
It's called soccer. They play soccer with the soccer ball on the soccer field.
/Soccer
//Soccer
///It's still called soccer.

No, it's called football, just like the 7 other types of football I can mention.

Association Football
Rugby Football (of the Union style)
Rugby Football (of the League style)
American Football
Gaelic Football
Australian Rules Football
American Football
Canadian Football


Still called soccer. Or foreignball, if you prefer.
 
2017-09-21 11:36:35 AM  
Only one of these is an actual "injury" in that all the others are either related to heat or some other underlying medical condition (i.e. could happen in any sport).  College football players dying from traumatic injuries sustained in games or practices are still exceedingly rare..like five or six over the last twenty years rare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_football_players_who_d​i​ed_during_their_careers#College
 
2017-09-21 12:19:43 PM  
People love funding institutionalized brain damage. I wonder if that's a cause of, or if it just correlates very nicely with, poverty and GOP voting records.
 
2017-09-21 01:18:50 PM  

Cataholic: Only one of these is an actual "injury" in that all the others are either related to heat or some other underlying medical condition (i.e. could happen in any sport).  College football players dying from traumatic injuries sustained in games or practices are still exceedingly rare..like five or six over the last twenty years rare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_football_players_who_di​ed_during_their_careers#College


Part of this is thanks to any athlete that might die due to heat already died in High School.  Theres a few every year, but its worth it because football.
 
2017-09-21 01:23:39 PM  

This text is now purple: SurfaceTension: Participation in youth football has declined almost continuously for over ten years now.

What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years American football as we know it won't exist.

[img.fark.net image 350x263]
Is that a surprise? There are fewer ten year-olds than there were 10 years ago.

Football is still the most widely-played sport, for combined genders. Which means it's at least twice as popular as the next-most-popular male sport, because 99% of all players are male.


Citation needed.

I could see it being the most popular high school sport to play, but that's only because an average high school will have 50+ on the roster while basketball teams are limited to 15 at most.

But if you're talking all youth sports, it's gotta be soccer or basketball.
 
2017-09-21 01:36:45 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Cataholic: Only one of these is an actual "injury" in that all the others are either related to heat or some other underlying medical condition (i.e. could happen in any sport).  College football players dying from traumatic injuries sustained in games or practices are still exceedingly rare..like five or six over the last twenty years rare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_football_players_who_di​ed_during_their_careers#College

Part of this is thanks to any athlete that might die due to heat already died in High School.  Theres a few every year, but its worth it because football.


Or maybe they drowned in buckets.

" A study by Andrew J. Grundstein, an associate professor in the department of geography at the University of Georgia, reported that 123 high school football players died of heat-related illnesses between 1960 and 2009."

http://www.cnhinews.com/sports/article_19696d9c-4b55-11e5-8518-076ca3​a​c0074.html

"Though rare, such incidents are not unheard of. Anywhere from 10 to 40 children a year drown in buckets nationwide, according to reports from the Consumer Products Safety Commission."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/though-rare-common-household-buckets-res​p​onsible-for-child-drowning-deaths/1183710


But it's worth it..because buckets.
 
2017-09-21 01:39:09 PM  

Saiga410: morg: Most of them died because of overexertion in practice. They need to step up medical clearances and start training smarter, not harder. Get rid of the macho shiat.


this.  Amazed that trainers and coaches are unable to spot a players symptoms and let them get so hot that their organs shut down or their brain boils.


It's not even limited to lower levels where the trainers might not be as good either. Iowa had like 20% of their team end up with rhabdo after an offseason workout a few years ago.
 
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