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(STLToday)   Family receives 7-figure settlement and cop gets jail time for negligence in man's drowning death. Why, *yes*, the victim was white   ( stltoday.com) divider line
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2017-09-19 08:16:05 PM  
Subby, monetary settlements aren't all that unusual, but the officer getting any ammount of time is something, even if the victim is a white person.  Baby steps.
 
2017-09-19 10:05:10 PM  
Piercy avoided an involuntary manslaughter trial by pleading guilty in June to a misdemeanor charge of negligent operation of a vessel.

Jack McCoy never would've accepted that deal
 
2017-09-20 12:31:31 AM  
That officer never should have been charged with anything. If that thug didn't want to die, he should have been obeying the law.
 
2017-09-20 12:35:16 AM  
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2017-09-20 12:36:32 AM  

whither_apophis: Piercy avoided an involuntary manslaughter trial by pleading guilty in June to a misdemeanor charge of negligent operation of a vessel.

Jack McCoy never would've accepted that deal


If a civilian handcuffed a drunk person with essentially no life vest and caused that person to be thrown from a boat you can bet your ass he would get a felony and do more than 10 days in protective custody.
 
2017-09-20 12:37:24 AM  
Monetary settlements are often based on the lost earning potential of the person that died.
 
2017-09-20 12:39:03 AM  

tarheel07: whither_apophis: Piercy avoided an involuntary manslaughter trial by pleading guilty in June to a misdemeanor charge of negligent operation of a vessel.

Jack McCoy never would've accepted that deal

If a civilian handcuffed a drunk person with essentially no life vest and caused that person to be thrown from a boat you can bet your ass he would get a felony and do more than 10 days in protective custody.


If a civilian handcuffed a cop with essentially no life vest and caused that person to be thrown from a boat... Well, I'm just saying, jury nullification exists for a reason.
 
2017-09-20 12:39:48 AM  
Okay, the civil settlement covers the fact the officer was poorly trained to make arrests on the water. But where does criminal liability for improper official training exist? We're in the realm of purely accidental manslaughter. If a person thinks they've been trained sufficiently and it was lacking, doesn't the liability fall on the licensing or supervisory?
 
2017-09-20 12:50:36 AM  
I am supposed to be outraged or happy that the victim was white?

Come on mods-- passive aggressive race baiting is still race baiting... ad space premiums must be in decline. So i guess it's time to create controversy. Hey let me check the next main page greelight... Yup.
 
2017-09-20 12:51:03 AM  
The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."
 
2017-09-20 12:51:56 AM  

wildcardjack: Okay, the civil settlement covers the fact the officer was poorly trained to make arrests on the water. But where does criminal liability for improper official training exist? We're in the realm of purely accidental manslaughter. If a person thinks they've been trained sufficiently and it was lacking, doesn't the liability fall on the licensing or supervisory?



Thank you.

Sometimes the training and procedures are the problem.

Sometimes the common sense of the cops are the problem.  That's why we have trials.
 
2017-09-20 12:52:32 AM  
Ten day of jail and two years probation isn't enough.  But it's better than what is typical.  We'll have to settle for these small victories for the moment.
 
2017-09-20 12:53:44 AM  
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2017-09-20 12:56:23 AM  
You missed the most disgusting part of the story subby:

Ellingson's family fought for three years to uncover what happened, alleging the state and the patrol initially covered up the drowning by claiming an intoxicated Brandon may have jumped into the water. His family received a $9 million settlement from the state last year and earlier won a lawsuit over the patrol's initial handling of the case.

And people wonder why the police have an issue with trust.
 
2017-09-20 01:00:43 AM  

Mrtraveler01: You missed the most disgusting part of the story subby:

Ellingson's family fought for three years to uncover what happened, alleging the state and the patrol initially covered up the drowning by claiming an intoxicated Brandon may have jumped into the water. His family received a $9 million settlement from the state last year and earlier won a lawsuit over the patrol's initial handling of the case.

And people wonder why the police have an issue with trust.


You missed a spot on that boot.
 
2017-09-20 01:02:26 AM  
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2017-09-20 01:03:59 AM  
Uh, Michael Brown's family got seven figures for wrongful death. $1.5 million

Anthony Smith's family got $900,000

Both for killing probable felons in altercations that started only after the police conducted a lawful stop and were ruled self defense by the court.

Nobody got off scot free because they were black- the city paid out the ass and the officers will never work in law enforcement again.
 
2017-09-20 01:05:42 AM  

mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."


Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.
 
2017-09-20 01:08:26 AM  

facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.


Jesus Christ. You're one of those cop apologists.  Not securing a prisoner and traveling 40 mph over rough chop is enough for me.  At the very least it's vehicular manslaighter.  The farker got 10 days of weekend jail.
 
2017-09-20 01:11:35 AM  

stilted: That officer never should have been charged with anything. If that thug didn't want to die, he should have been obeying the law.


I found the boot-licker!  What do I win?
 
2017-09-20 01:11:48 AM  

wildcardjack: Okay, the civil settlement covers the fact the officer was poorly trained to make arrests on the water. But where does criminal liability for improper official training exist? We're in the realm of purely accidental manslaughter.


I don't necessarily agree with that. According to the article linked within TFA:
In interviews with the patrol, several of Ellingson's friends said Piercy sped off after putting Ellingson under arrest.
"He took off and it was almost like he floored the boat," Goertz said.
The patrol's report said Ellingson went overboard after standing up from a passenger seat when Piercy "slowed for a large boat wake produced by an unidentified vessel(s)."
The Ellingson family's lawyer, Matt Boles, said he thinks the trooper's speed in choppy water caused Ellingson to go overboard. Boles said a preliminary investigation showed Piercy drove more than 40 mph.


This is no different than if you handcuffed someone and put them in the back of your open-bed pickup truck, then drove at 40 mph over cobblestones and speed bumps. Unless you take steps to secure them, them falling out is entirely foreseeable. In fact, Missouri, where this took place, has a law on the books criminalizing driving with people in the back of a pickup truck unless "there is a device to keep the passenger from being thrown or falling out of the vehicle."

I'd say this was equivalent to the Freddie Grey "rough ride". Particularly so in light of the fact that (again, from that other article), the cop was visibly aggravated with him, the cop concealed his speed in his report of the incident, there were 6 foot waves at the time of the incident and yet he was going 40 mph, and the memory card for the cameras on the patrol boat was mysteriously removed.
 
2017-09-20 01:12:18 AM  

mikebellman: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Jesus Christ. You're one of those cop apologists.  Not securing a prisoner and traveling 40 mph over rough chop is enough for me.  At the very least it's vehicular manslaighter.  The farker got 10 days of weekend jail.


I'm apologizing for nothing. Murder requires intent, and being hyperbolic accomplishes nothing. Of course it was massive negligence, but the cop didn't head out on the lake hoping to kill someone that day.

As others have said, this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.
 
2017-09-20 01:14:12 AM  

Theaetetus: the memory card for the cameras on the patrol boat was mysteriously removed.


To me, that bumps it from an accident through negligence to criminal intent.
 
2017-09-20 01:14:58 AM  

facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.


Second degree murder, in Missouri, requires only that the cop had the intent to cause serious physical injury, and someone died. I'd say having someone bouncing around in a boat doing 40 mph in 6' waves, unsecured, is evidence of intent to cause serious physical injury.
 
2017-09-20 01:17:00 AM  

facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.


We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.
 
2017-09-20 01:17:22 AM  
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2017-09-20 01:19:10 AM  
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*huff puff*

Rotating this farker is hard
 
2017-09-20 01:19:24 AM  

Theaetetus: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Second degree murder, in Missouri, requires only that the cop had the intent to cause serious physical injury, and someone died. I'd say having someone bouncing around in a boat doing 40 mph in 6' waves, unsecured, is evidence of intent to cause serious physical injury.


Where do you get six foot waves from? The Lake of the Ozarks is a dammed river- six foot waves there means we've hit the apocalypse.

This is a lake where 40mph is not unusual at all.
 
2017-09-20 01:19:39 AM  

OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.

We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.


Well, maybe the police departments should start training cops not to kill people? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2017-09-20 01:22:10 AM  

Theaetetus: OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.

We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.

Well, maybe the police departments should start training cops not to kill people? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


How much have you had to drink?
 
2017-09-20 01:23:43 AM  

OgreMagi: Theaetetus: OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.

We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.

Well, maybe the police departments should start training cops not to kill people? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How much have you had to drink?


Not enough to pretend murderous cops aren't a problem
 
2017-09-20 01:25:34 AM  

facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.


Whether it was intentional, or not, it's still, by definition, Negligent Homicide - PERIOD.
 
2017-09-20 01:25:44 AM  

facepalm.jpg: Theaetetus: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Second degree murder, in Missouri, requires only that the cop had the intent to cause serious physical injury, and someone died. I'd say having someone bouncing around in a boat doing 40 mph in 6' waves, unsecured, is evidence of intent to cause serious physical injury.

Where do you get six foot waves from? The Lake of the Ozarks is a dammed river- six foot waves there means we've hit the apocalypse.


Derp, from misreading this, obviously:
The patrol's reports do not address Piercy's speed when Ellingson went overboard but do indicate the lake was choppy with waves between 6 inches and 2 feet.
 
2017-09-20 01:26:11 AM  

doglover: OgreMagi: Theaetetus: OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.

We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.

Well, maybe the police departments should start training cops not to kill people? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How much have you had to drink?

Not enough to pretend murderous cops aren't a problem


You may have missed my point.  To suggest the police department not train murderous thugs suggests a drinking problem.  Where would that lead?  Proper oversight?  Honest cops?   MADNESS!
 
2017-09-20 01:26:47 AM  

MSBFDffpm: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Whether it was intentional, or not, it's still, by definition, Negligent Homicide - PERIOD.


Yes, duh. Not murder
 
2017-09-20 01:28:01 AM  

OgreMagi: Theaetetus: OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.

We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.

Well, maybe the police departments should start training cops not to kill people? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How much have you had to drink?


[sob] none, yet.

/brb
 
2017-09-20 01:34:03 AM  

Theaetetus: facepalm.jpg: Theaetetus: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Second degree murder, in Missouri, requires only that the cop had the intent to cause serious physical injury, and someone died. I'd say having someone bouncing around in a boat doing 40 mph in 6' waves, unsecured, is evidence of intent to cause serious physical injury.

Where do you get six foot waves from? The Lake of the Ozarks is a dammed river- six foot waves there means we've hit the apocalypse.

Derp, from misreading this, obviously:
The patrol's reports do not address Piercy's speed when Ellingson went overboard but do indicate the lake was choppy with waves between 6 inches and 2 feet.


Large boat wakes are a huge problem on this lake, and Richie Rich's yacht doing 40mph absolutely can create six foot waves. The leading cause of injury and death is "water conditions", a euphemism for reckless assholes boating too fast next to structures and other boats.

But this is not normal. Normally this lake is smooth. I went kayaking there last month and the natural wave height is usually inches.

So while it is definitely reckless to travel 40mph on a boat with a drunk whose hands are tied behind their back, the truth is that drunks fly up and down that lake at 40mph day in day out without problem. It is definitely normal behavior for the area.

Hence, reckless and negligent. Not murder.
 
2017-09-20 01:36:21 AM  

facepalm.jpg: MSBFDffpm: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Whether it was intentional, or not, it's still, by definition, Negligent Homicide - PERIOD.

Yes, duh. Not murder


I think the point is that 10 day sentence is a *farce*, and a few folks here are bent , over such a light sentence.  I would like to know the exact jury instructions?  And what their options were??
 
2017-09-20 01:41:13 AM  

OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.

We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.


No one said he's not at fault. I said it's not murder.

Thought experiment time

Suppose we live in a prefect world where all cops are good people looking out for everyone. Do these cops ever make mistakes? Do they ever injure or kill someone due to negligence? Yes, they do.

We will never know the contents of this guy's head, but it's a far smaller leap to think that he made a huge mistake and tried to erase evidence of his negligence than it is to assume he maliciously wanted to kill this one particular guy.
 
2017-09-20 01:42:17 AM  

MSBFDffpm: facepalm.jpg: MSBFDffpm: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Whether it was intentional, or not, it's still, by definition, Negligent Homicide - PERIOD.

Yes, duh. Not murder

I think the point is that 10 day sentence is a *farce*, and a few folks here are bent , over such a light sentence.  I would like to know the exact jury instructions?  And what their options were??


Who here is disagreeing with this?
 
2017-09-20 01:45:19 AM  

facepalm.jpg: OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.

We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.

No one said he's not at fault. I said it's not murder.

Thought experiment time

Suppose we live in a prefect world where all cops are good people looking out for everyone. Do these cops ever make mistakes? Do they ever injure or kill someone due to negligence? Yes, they do.

We will never know the contents of this guy's head, but it's a far smaller leap to think that he made a huge mistake and tried to erase evidence of his negligence than it is to assume he maliciously wanted to kill this one particular guy.


If you or I drove a car or boat recklessly and killed someone, we're likely to get charged with manslaughter.  Negligent operation of a vessel is absolute bullshiat.
 
2017-09-20 01:51:09 AM  

facepalm.jpg: MSBFDffpm: facepalm.jpg: MSBFDffpm: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Whether it was intentional, or not, it's still, by definition, Negligent Homicide - PERIOD.

Yes, duh. Not murder

I think the point is that 10 day sentence is a *farce*, and a few folks here are bent , over such a light sentence.  I would like to know the exact jury instructions?  And what their options were??

Who here is disagreeing with this?


YOU, I owe an apology to, as I finally realized I had originally clicked the wrong "comment" in the beginning.  No excuses, it's just been a very long day.  I was supposed to be responding to mikebellman...it, by the definitions you were stating, was definitely not murder.

*timetoquitposting.jpg*
 
2017-09-20 01:57:25 AM  

OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: OgreMagi: facepalm.jpg: this is a failure of training and policy, not malice.

We're tired of that lame excuse.  It's always a training problem and no cop is ever at fault.  FARK THAT.

No one said he's not at fault. I said it's not murder.

Thought experiment time

Suppose we live in a prefect world where all cops are good people looking out for everyone. Do these cops ever make mistakes? Do they ever injure or kill someone due to negligence? Yes, they do.

We will never know the contents of this guy's head, but it's a far smaller leap to think that he made a huge mistake and tried to erase evidence of his negligence than it is to assume he maliciously wanted to kill this one particular guy.

If you or I drove a car or boat recklessly and killed someone, we're likely to get charged with manslaughter.  Negligent operation of a vessel is absolute bullshiat.


Didn't we learn this week from a certain judge that saying "we are going to murder that person" and then murdering them, and then framing them, and also turning off the dash cam, is insufficient evidence to establish intent?
 
2017-09-20 01:59:17 AM  
drews woke level is through the roof
 
2017-09-20 02:31:18 AM  

facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.


Not always.  Some states have murder statues for depraved indifference or wanton disregard.

Theaetetus: wildcardjack: 

I'd say this was equivalent to the Freddie Grey "rough ride". Particularly so in light of the fact that (again, from that other article), the cop was visibly aggravated with him, the cop concealed his speed in his report of the incident, there were 6 foot waves at the time of the incident and yet he was going 40 mph, and the memory card for the cameras on the patrol boat was mysteriously removed.


Wow... These details were suspiciously absent from TFA.  I was literally about to allow that this should have been manslaughter or even accidental death... now, I'm leaning more toward murder 2 or 3.  The only mitigating factor I can see is that they apparently dropped this idiot in a boat after 18 years of highway patrol with almost no training at all.

MSBFDffpm: I think the point is that 10 day sentence is a *farce*, and a few folks here are bent , over such a light sentence.  I would like to know the exact jury instructions?  And what their options were??


The cop pled down from Manslaughter to "Improper operation of a water craft" or some nonsense.  This was actually a fairly harsh sentence for the crime he was convicted of.  Still a farce.
 
2017-09-20 03:20:58 AM  
victim doesn't look white. looks like tar budgets be all you can be in the army of one borat alibaba, meaning it's a military information operation. any such "settlement" is indicator about ongoing money funneling and laundering operation including all those class action lawsuits, law enforcement related shootings, even jackpot lottery winnings, etc.. It's part of the artificial intelligence community deficits don't matter hawala network.
 
2017-09-20 05:01:03 AM  

OgreMagi: stilted: That officer never should have been charged with anything. If that thug didn't want to die, he should have been obeying the law.

I found the boot-licker!  What do I win?


Pretty sure that was sarcasm.
 
2017-09-20 05:03:43 AM  

Theaetetus: facepalm.jpg: Theaetetus: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Second degree murder, in Missouri, requires only that the cop had the intent to cause serious physical injury, and someone died. I'd say having someone bouncing around in a boat doing 40 mph in 6' waves, unsecured, is evidence of intent to cause serious physical injury.

Where do you get six foot waves from? The Lake of the Ozarks is a dammed river- six foot waves there means we've hit the apocalypse.

Derp, from misreading this, obviously:
The patrol's reports do not address Piercy's speed when Ellingson went overboard but do indicate the lake was choppy with waves between 6 inches and 2 feet.


So...2 foot waves. ' is feet, " is inches.
 
2017-09-20 05:04:21 AM  

Theaetetus: facepalm.jpg: Theaetetus: facepalm.jpg: mikebellman: The cop got away with heinous murder.  This established another awful precedent.  Any time a cop is pissed with a suspect.  They can be handcuffed and placed on top of the squad vehicle. "Look out for speed bumps...."

Go back to the dictionary and look up murder again. It requires intent.

Second degree murder, in Missouri, requires only that the cop had the intent to cause serious physical injury, and someone died. I'd say having someone bouncing around in a boat doing 40 mph in 6' waves, unsecured, is evidence of intent to cause serious physical injury.

Where do you get six foot waves from? The Lake of the Ozarks is a dammed river- six foot waves there means we've hit the apocalypse.

Derp, from misreading this, obviously:
The patrol's reports do not address Piercy's speed when Ellingson went overboard but do indicate the lake was choppy with waves between 6 inches and 2 feet.


Sorry, didn't see the misread part :/
 
2017-09-20 05:09:08 AM  

trumpai: victim doesn't look white. looks like tar budgets be all you can be in the army of one borat alibaba, meaning it's a military information operation. any such "settlement" is indicator about ongoing money funneling and laundering operation including all those class action lawsuits, law enforcement related shootings, even jackpot lottery winnings, etc.. It's part of the artificial intelligence community deficits don't matter hawala network.


...WOAH
 
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