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(The Hill)   The latest Obamacare repeal bill is based on the idea that states should be given block grants that let them set up whatever healthcare system they want...unless it's a single-payer universal coverage plan, which will be banned   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-09-19 01:34:48 PM  
so much for states rights.
 
2017-09-19 01:40:50 PM  
They're right. Single-payer hasn't worked anywhere else in the world. Except Canada. And the UK. And most of Europe. And...
 
2017-09-19 01:41:34 PM  
Land of the free.
 
2017-09-19 01:41:36 PM  
to add, because all of this is important.  

The republican party, who has been the champions of state rights, is proposing banning states from setting up single payer healthcare systems.

Their claim is that it will be too expensive, even those most countries with single payer systems pay less per person for healthcare. In most of these countries, people live longer and receive better healthcare also.

Its almost as if the GOP platform revolved around the idea that it would be better that people pay more for a product and die than support an idea that could be considered "liberal."

Again, this is all part of their plan to repeal the ACA, that was was the officially GOP healthcare plan until Barack Obama decide to run with it.

Elections have consequences. I know people who are only a live today because of the ACA. To but not to fine point on it, these people want to kill some of my friends.
 
2017-09-19 01:45:31 PM  
The free market has spoken!

And it told congress to ban single payer.
 
2017-09-19 01:55:05 PM  
"I think a single-payer system is a bad idea," the senator said Monday

He got paid a lot to say that.
 
2017-09-19 02:43:43 PM  
Those are the words of a man who is scared shiatless that single payer is going to work in a state like California, and the rest of the blue states will follow suit until we get a national program.
 
2017-09-19 02:58:49 PM  
Insurance company owners lives matter.
 
2017-09-19 03:16:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "I think a single-payer system is a bad idea," the senator said Monday

He got paid a lot to say that.


Yep.

"I think the only way we are going to solve the health care problem in America is through the private sector."

The private sector doesn't want the gravy train to stop, and they're willing to pay to keep it going.
 
2017-09-19 03:37:19 PM  
 "I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.'"

California is a big donor state, you shiatwaffle.  I doubt they'd have much trouble running a functional, sustainable single-payer system.
 
2017-09-19 03:38:59 PM  

aaronx: Insurance company owners lives matter.


Shareholders' lives matter
 
Ant
2017-09-19 03:51:39 PM  

blastoh: so much for states rights.


Those are only important when there's a Democrat in the White House.
 
2017-09-19 03:52:10 PM  
Right wingers: not happy unless they are feasting on the blood and babies and grandmas of the most vulnerable Americans.
 
2017-09-19 03:53:11 PM  
Like Other ACA Repeal Bills, Cassidy-Graham Plan Would Add Millions to Uninsured, Destabilize Individual Market

House is in recess. If this passes the Senate, Ryan will rubber stamp the shiat out of it when they are back and Trump is sure to sign it.

Republicans are the biggest threat to this nation.
 
2017-09-19 03:53:20 PM  
Doogie Howser: It's AFRAID!
 
Ant
2017-09-19 03:53:28 PM  

blastoh: so much for states rights.


What would happen if a state said "fark you!" and set one up anyway?
 
2017-09-19 03:53:55 PM  

GooberMcFly: They're right. Single-payer hasn't worked anywhere else in the world. Except Canada. And the UK. And most of Europe. And...


Hang on, let me take care of the bullet point answers

Taxes!
10 month wait times!
Nordic culture!
People dying in ER waiting rooms!
America is too big!
 
2017-09-19 03:54:06 PM  
Medicaid's work requirement mandatory

It's time for all those them lazy people in West Virginia & Kentucky to go back to the coal mines!
 
2017-09-19 03:54:11 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-19 03:54:17 PM  

GooberMcFly: They're right. Single-payer hasn't worked anywhere else in the world. Except Canada. And the UK. And most of Europe. And...


It's never worked in the USA!!

CHECKMATE LABRADORS!!!
 
2017-09-19 03:54:41 PM  
I'll use it to buy a Ferrari, underage prostitutes and cocaine. Lots of cocaine.

Thanks Uncle Sugar!
 
2017-09-19 03:54:48 PM  
Non-starter
 
2017-09-19 03:54:58 PM  

Psychopusher: "I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.'"

California is a big donor state, you shiatwaffle.  I doubt they'd have much trouble running a functional, sustainable single-payer system.


I work in healthcare staffing...California has been setting up to have single payer for a while. It's just a matter of cutting out the middleman. Physician's networks are growing in the Pacific northwest and northern California. DO IT!!!
 
2017-09-19 03:55:38 PM  
Old white guy says what? I mean, these guys aren't even trying any more. They don't have any evidence or research to back any of their claims. They just feel it, in their guts. Somehow, it's wrong... I dunno why, probably because all them damn libs want it, so it must be bad.
 
2017-09-19 03:55:41 PM  

MrBallou: Marcus Aurelius: "I think a single-payer system is a bad idea," the senator said Monday

He got paid a lot to say that.

Yep.

"I think the only way we are going to solve the health care problem in America is through the private sector."

The private sector doesn't want the gravy train to stop, and they're willing to pay to keep it going.


See, I think he and I define "the healthcare problem" differently.
 
2017-09-19 03:55:59 PM  

Ant: blastoh: so much for states rights.

What would happen if a state said "fark you!" and set one up anyway?


I presume they would not get any Medicaid funding from the fed.
 
2017-09-19 03:56:31 PM  

blastoh: to add, because all of this is important.  

The republican party, who has been the champions of state rights, is proposing banning states from setting up single payer healthcare systems.

Their claim is that it will be too expensive, even those most countries with single payer systems pay less per person for healthcare. In most of these countries, people live longer and receive better healthcare also.

Its almost as if the GOP platform revolved around the idea that it would be better that people pay more for a product and die than support an idea that could be considered "liberal."

Again, this is all part of their plan to repeal the ACA, that was was the officially GOP healthcare plan until Barack Obama decide to run with it.

Elections have consequences. I know people who are only a live today because of the ACA. To but not to fine point on it, these people want to kill some of my friends.


I very much doubt that is true.

More likely explanation is these people want to kill all of your friends.
 
2017-09-19 03:57:39 PM  

Flappyhead: Nordic culture!


I'll bite. What?
 
2017-09-19 03:57:53 PM  
It would be nice to have a media who would put these guys on the spot and ask them why and make them answer, instead of pivoting and answering what they want. Keep repeating the question.

Why is it bad Senator? What is your evidence that it will be more expensive? All other countries that have implemented it show it's cheaper, so why would it be more expensive here?
 
2017-09-19 03:58:17 PM  

Psychopusher: "I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.'"

California is a big donor state, you shiatwaffle.  I doubt they'd have much trouble running a functional, sustainable single-payer system.


Plus the GOP gets a perfect opportunity to shout into every camera they can find that single-payer doesn't work since California clearly can't manage it and needs more money, therefore they were right all along and Trump is god-emperor for life.

Instead we get more of the same, massive preemptive pants-shiatting over fabricated strawmen.
 
2017-09-19 03:58:19 PM  

GooberMcFly: They're right. Single-payer hasn't worked anywhere else in the world. Except Canada. And the UK. And most of Europe. And...


Most European countries never had single payer, or abandoned the systems years ago.
 
2017-09-19 03:58:38 PM  

blackminded: Flappyhead: Nordic culture!

I'll bite. What?


They don't have blah people.
 
2017-09-19 03:59:18 PM  

Kali-Ma: Psychopusher: "I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.'"

California is a big donor state, you shiatwaffle.  I doubt they'd have much trouble running a functional, sustainable single-payer system.

I work in healthcare staffing...California has been setting up to have single payer for a while. It's just a matter of cutting out the middleman. Physician's networks are growing in the Pacific northwest and northern California. DO IT!!!


I feel like if California did it, the other states would fall like dominoes.  All of a sudden, Californian companies don't need to worry about dealing with medical insurance for their employees, Californian citizens don't want to move somewhere that they're not covered, and all of a sudden there's an extremely enticing benefit to moving there.

A sort of reverse-Kansas, if you will.
 
2017-09-19 04:00:43 PM  
Can't risk having one of the Laboratories of Democracy generating test data you've already decided is false.
 
2017-09-19 04:00:58 PM  
Jesus fark. First one of my senators puts his name on this crap legislation and THEN my other one wants to pull this garbage. So much for making phone calls to my guys at least. Well, that assumes Kennedy has his phones running yet. That coward is scared shiatless of mingling with any of the many many poors of Louisiana. No town halls and holds all his fund-raising dinners in secret. Called him during the summer repeal-o-rama and no one picked up his phone in his DC office and he didn't even have any Louisiana offices set up yet 6 MONTHS into his new job. 

Meanwhile, Cassidy, May he be tortured in hell when he dies for helping write this legislation. The man is a doctor an obviously gives no one shiat for the Hippocratic Oath,
 
2017-09-19 04:03:32 PM  
It's an awful bill that does nothing positive to health care/ providing coverage.

The Graham-Cassidy Obamacare Repeal Bill Still Covers Fewer People

It turns out, though, that the draft version of Graham-Cassidy only does one of those things. The bill would keep most of Obamacare's revenues, save for the mandate tax penalties and medical-device taxes, but would allow no way for states that have expanded Medicaid to continue current insurance systems or cover the same amount of people that they do now. The legislation would take funds currently allocated to premium tax-credits, subsidies, basic health plans, and the ACA's Medicaid expansion and convert some of those funds to a large pot of money from which states could apply for grants, for which they would have to pay some of their own funds to match.

Those grants, however, wouldn't cover the same number of people. For starters, the total allocated money would be less than what's spent on those programs today. Also, as Health Affairs reports, Graham-Cassidy likely wouldn't count all of the Medicaid expansion population in its allotment formula, likely excluding many able-bodied adults making less than half of the federal poverty level. In addition to those restrictions, the plan would also spread funds to every state based on the sum total of existing Medicaid expansion allotments-meaning that states that haven't expanded Medicaid would siphon off money from states that have. In essence, Graham-Cassidy would be like taking half the amount of butter and spreading it over twice the slices of bread.

And that's not all. Graham-Cassidy goes perhaps even further than its predecessors in eroding basic insurance protections and providing for poor people, allowing states to spend their grant money on just about any kind of insurance program-with no obligations to cover a certain amount of low-income people. There would also be opt-outs for most of the significant insurance regulations in Obamacare, including its strict measures on community rating, and premium price controls on the basis of preexisting conditions, age, and other factors (except sex). The plan would also cut the ability for states to pay for their share of care through provider taxes, reducing the richness some states can afford.
 
2017-09-19 04:03:32 PM  

blastoh: so much for states rights.


So much for the free market!
 
2017-09-19 04:04:11 PM  

Psychopusher: "I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.'"

California is a big donor state, you shiatwaffle.  I doubt they'd have much trouble running a functional, sustainable single-payer system.


In fairness, it's California, there aren't many guaranteed wins that the CA government can't turn into a loss.

They're probably more worried that one of the more ruthlessly practical Red states will end up doing it, having some level of success, and kind of pulling the rug out from under them on the issue at the national level
 
2017-09-19 04:04:21 PM  

Psychopusher: "I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.'"

California is a big donor state, you shiatwaffle.  I doubt they'd have much trouble running a functional, sustainable single-payer system.


California is the sixth largest economy in the world, which puts it higher than more than half the countries who have implemented some form of single payer.

He's not afraid they'll fail.  He's afraid they'll succeed.  If California makes it work, NY won't be far behind, piggybacking on the same plan.  I read an article that stated companies pay on average 15% less for their workforce in Canada vs the US strictly by cutting out the healthcare costs.  That would cripple any red-state's ability to woo big business with their usual bribes tax cuts.

California making a single-payer system work would basically force the rest of the country to adopt it by default.
 
2017-09-19 04:04:34 PM  

Gyro the Greek Sandwich Pirate: Kali-Ma: Psychopusher: "I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.'"

California is a big donor state, you shiatwaffle.  I doubt they'd have much trouble running a functional, sustainable single-payer system.

I work in healthcare staffing...California has been setting up to have single payer for a while. It's just a matter of cutting out the middleman. Physician's networks are growing in the Pacific northwest and northern California. DO IT!!!

I feel like if California did it, the other states would fall like dominoes.  All of a sudden, Californian companies don't need to worry about dealing with medical insurance for their employees, Californian citizens don't want to move somewhere that they're not covered, and all of a sudden there's an extremely enticing benefit to moving there.

A sort of reverse-Kansas, if you will.


Seeing non-Cali companies try and lobby their Congresscritters about the inevitable brain-drain and exodus would be interesting to watch.
 
2017-09-19 04:04:46 PM  

Gyro the Greek Sandwich Pirate: Californian citizens don't want to move somewhere that they're not covered, and all of a sudden there's an extremely enticing benefit to moving there.


I mean, besides all the other positives there already are to living in California.
 
2017-09-19 04:05:02 PM  
"I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.' I think the only way we are going to solve the health care problem in America is through the private sector."

I'd say the guy is a moron, but I think it's more likely he's just another immoral, purchased, piece of shiat "representative" regurgitating what his owners tell him to say.
 
2017-09-19 04:07:44 PM  
Well duh! States' rights are only good thing when you're fighting for an honorable cause, like the right to keep slaves.
 
2017-09-19 04:08:04 PM  
"I think the only way we are going to solve the health care problem in America is through the private sector."

Yes, because the private sector did such a bang-up job of it prior to 2011, what with 50 million people uninsured and millions of people's lives destroyed with medical bankruptcies. But sure, let's pretend they were oh-so-close to getting it right.
 
2017-09-19 04:10:33 PM  

Flappyhead: blackminded: Flappyhead: Nordic culture!

I'll bite. What?

They don't have blah people.


Except now they're overrun with mooselimbs. Can't even go outside in Stockholm anymore without getting jihaded.
 
2017-09-19 04:10:41 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Psychopusher: "I think if you give a big chunk of money to California they're going to go set up a single-payer system run by the state and then come back and say, 'We don't have enough money, we need more.'"

California is a big donor state, you shiatwaffle.  I doubt they'd have much trouble running a functional, sustainable single-payer system.

In fairness, it's California, there aren't many guaranteed wins that the CA government can't turn into a loss.

They're probably more worried that one of the more ruthlessly practical Red states will end up doing it, having some level of success, and kind of pulling the rug out from under them on the issue at the national level


... China?
 
2017-09-19 04:10:49 PM  

blackminded: Flappyhead: Nordic culture!

I'll bite. What?


Someone will make the claim that it is impossible for a government to run a health care system responsibly.  In reply, someone will point out the many, many countries which have done so, mostly in Europe.

One of the common responses to that is to say that those countries are 'culturally homogenous'.

They'd like to you look at that statement and say "Yeah, I guess you're right.  How to go about treating a broken leg does have something to do with whether everyone in the country the leg was broken in listens to the same music."

What they really mean is "Things like that work in Norway because I'm under the impression that Norway only has white people".
 
2017-09-19 04:10:54 PM  
It takes money from states that have expanded Medicaid and redistributes them to ones that haven't.

How Graham-Cassidy redistributes federal money

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-19 04:11:44 PM  

blackminded: Flappyhead: Nordic culture!

I'll bite. What?


Right wingers will often run with the laughably racist argument that single payer works in places like Sweden and Norway because of their "cultural homogeneity". So yeah, like the other Farker said, they argue that single payer can't work here because America is too diverse.
 
2017-09-19 04:12:12 PM  

GooberMcFly: They're right. Single-payer hasn't worked anywhere else in the world. Except Canada. And the UK. And most of Europe. And...


Exactly, If private for profit healthcare is so great why are we the only ones doing it?
 
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